Sicilian Apricity Members' Autosomal, Y-Chromosome, and mtDNA results

[Sicilianu101]

This thread is for Sicilian Apricity members to post their results from initial testing (23andMe, ftDNA, etc.) and all subsequent analyses (McDonald, Dodecad, Eurogenes, etc.). If you are partially Sicilian and would like to post here, please indicate your other ancestry!

[Slycooper]

You guys are making a big division

[Sicilianu101]

I am 100% Sicilian and can trace all my ancestry to the small village of Alcara Li Fusi in the Nebrodi Mountains of Northeastern Sicily (to my great-great-great grandparents).

These are my original FamilyTreeDNA results:

Middle East: Bedouin, Bedouin South, Druze, Iranian, Jewish, Mozabite, Palestinian= 53.74% ±17.93%
Europe (Southern European): Sardinian, Tuscan= 46.26% ±17.93%

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=2440
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=2439

These are the results from Dr. McDonald's BGA Analysis.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=2436
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=2437
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=2435
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=2434

This is the email he sent me:

The program says

Most likely fit is 35.9% (+- 9.1%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 1.6% (+- 0.9%) Africa (various subcontinents)
and 62.5% (+- 8.9%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Tuscan= 0.365 Ethiopia= 0.031 Cypriot= 0.603
Tuscan= 0.365 Ethiopia= 0.031 Cypriot= 0.605
Tuscan= 0.353 Ethiopia= 0.022 Cypriot= 0.625
Tuscan= 0.335 Mandenka= 0.013 Cypriot= 0.652
Tuscan= 0.335 Yoruba= 0.012 Cypriot= 0.653
Tuscan= 0.336 Bantu Ke= 0.013 Cypriot= 0.651
Tuscan= 0.341 Maasai= 0.016 Cypriot= 0.642
Tuscan= 0.335 Bantu So= 0.012 Cypriot= 0.653
Spain= 0.221 Mandenka= 0.009 Cypriot= 0.770
Tuscan= 0.606 San= 0.000 Palestin= 0.394

which in fact is perfectly reasonable given what you say.

Without your saying what you are, I would have confidently
said "some Mediterranean Island". Your spot on the scatter plots
(I see far more of them than I send) is unique ... I've never
seen anything like it. Clearly it is Mediterranean. The reason
that it is unique is that you are from one village. An academic
study using methods identical to what generates the scatter plots
(principal component analysis) found huge differences
in Sicilian village 50 km apart! If I had been forced to guess
which island, I would have said Malta, which would not have been
a bad guess. Both Sicily and Malta end up on the map
(green spot) well to the east of Italy.

According to Dienekes Admixture Analysis I am:

34.8% Mediterranean
27.4% West_Asian
17.2% West_European
11.4% Southwest_Asian
6.6% Northwest_African
1.5% East_European
1.1% East_African
0.2% Neo_African
0% South_Asian
0% Northeast_Asian
0% Southeast_Asian
0% Palaeo_African

This is a pie-chart of my results:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=2441

You can see it in his excel spreadsheet online under the tab "individual results." I am DOD804.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=COCa89AJ&key=0ArAJcY18g2GadDUyeEtjNnBmY09EbnowN3M3UWRyNnc&hl=en_US&authkey=COCa89AJ#gid=3

BAT (Balkan-Anatolian-Turkic)

60.61% Anatolia
37.30% Balkans
2.09% Turkic

Eurogenes Goodness of fit 93.4% Error (95%) ±2.62%

Sicilian_D 82.38%
Egyptans 6.92%
Azerbaijan_Jews 5.29%
Sardinian 3.98%
Algerian_D 1.43%

Euro Test K6

58.64% Middle Eastern (Neolithic to recent in Europe)
32.59% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
5.52% South Asian
3.25% Sub-Saharan African
0% North Asian
0% East Asian

(What is this South Asian in K6? I usually score no South Asian in other tests)

Euro Test K7

40.13% Middle Eastern
30.56% Caucasus
27.15% European (Mesolithic European + Middle Eastern Neolithic)
2.16% Sub-Saharan African
0% South Asian
0% East Asian
0% North Asian

Euro Test K8

46.34% Maritime Neolithic
28.45% Anatolian Neolithic
18.89% North European hunter gatherer (+ Neolithic admixture)
4.81% East African
1.51% Sub-Saharan African
0% North Eurasian
0% East Asian
0% South Asian

HarappaWorld

Caucasian 35.61
Mediterranean 26.81
SW-Asian 14.89
NE-Euro 12.82
Baloch 7.48
W-African 0.5
S-Indian 0.47
Pygmy 0.45
SE-Asian 0.43
E-African 0.39
San 0.16

MDLP Project


k=5
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 44.95
2 Paleo_mediterranean 40.45
3 West_Eurasian 9.21
4 South_Asian 5.27
5 East_Eurasian 0.12

k=6
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 44.36
2 Paleo_Mediterranean 38.49
3 West_Eurasian 11.41
4 South_Asian 5.17
5 East_Euroasian 0.57

k=7
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 44.2
2 Paleo_Mediterranean 38.48
3 West_Eurasian 11.4
4 South_Central_Asian 5.13
5 Altaic_Turkic 0.78

k=8
# Population Percent
1 Paleo_Mediterranean 37.32
2 Caucasian 34.18
3 West_European 15.8
4 East_European 7.32
5 South_Central_Asian 4.93
6 Altaic_Turkic 0.45

k=9
# Population Percent
1 Paleo_Mediterranean 37.43
2 Caucasian 33.74
3 West_European 14.71
4 East_European 6.88
5 South_Central_Asian 4.91
6 Paleo_Balkanic 1.92
7 Altaic_Turkic 0.41

k=10
# Population Percent
1 Paleo_Mediterranean 36.21
2 Caucasian 31.04
3 Iberian 10.76
4 British 10.76
5 South_Central_Asian 4.93
6 East_European 4.11
7 Paleo_Balkanic 1.86
8 Altaic_Turkic 0.32

k=11
# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 36.2
2 Caucasian 30.71
3 Celto_Germanic 10.97
4 Iberian 10.5
5 South_Central_Asian 4.93
6 East_European 4.24
7 Paleo_Balkanic 1.87
8 Altaic_Turkic 0.57

k=12
# Population Percent
1 Paleo_Mediterranean 35.67
2 Caucasian 30.19
3 Celto_Germanic 11
4 Iberian 10.34
5 East_European 5.36
6 South_Central_Asian 4.91
7 Paleo_Balkanic 1.87
8 Altaic_Turkic 0.66

World
# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 40.75
2 Middle_East 25.81
3 Caucaus_Parsia 20.59
4 North_and_East_European 9.41
5 Sub_Saharian 1.54
6 Indian 0.69
7 Paleo_African 0.55
8 East_Asian 0.47
9 Mesoamerican 0.19

World-22
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 35.57
2 West-Asian 23.86
3 Near_East 22.24
4 North-East-European 15.11
5 Sub-Saharian 1.2
6 South-African 0.58
7 Indo-Tibetan 0.56
8 Indian 0.24
9 South-America_Amerind 0.23
10 Pygmy 0.2
11 North-Siberean 0.11
12 Mesoamerican 0.11

Eurogenes Project

k=9
Mediterranean 34.77%
Caucasus 29.97%
Southwest Asian 17.55%
North European 15.84%
West African 1.87%

k=10
Mediterranean 30.58%
Caucasus 29.32%
North Atlantic 20.24%
Southwest Asian 17.19%
West African 1.88%
East European 0.78%

k=11
Mediterranean 30.02%
Caucasus 29.21%
North Atlantic 19.01%
Southwest Asian 17.13%
South Baltic 2.75%
West African 1.88%

k=12
Caucasus 28.62%
Mediterranean 28.26%
Southwest Asian 17.08%
Western European 15.65%
West African 1.85%
South Baltic 2.48%
North Sea 6.06%

k=12b
Mediterranean 30.21%
Caucasus 26.93%
Western European 18.81%
Southwest Asian 15.22%
North European 4.04%
East African 2.38%
West Central Asian 1.47%
West African 0.76%
East Asian 0.14%

k=13
Mediterranean 35.90%
Caucasus 21.77%
North European 17.81%
West Central Asian 11.03%
Southwest Asian 10.19%
Northeast African 2.26%
West African 0.75%
Pygmy 0.25%

Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer model
Mediterranean Farmer 37.99%
Anatolian Farmer 28.77%
Middle Eastern Herder 18.48%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 12.04%
East African Pastoralist 1.68%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.49%
Bantu Farmer 0.42%
East Asian Farmer 0.14%

JTest
# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 27.09
2 WEST_MED 17.64
3 WEST_ASIAN 13.02
4 MIDDLE_EASTERN 12.97
5 ATLANTIC 12.12
6 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 7.3
7 ASHKENAZI 5.99
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 2.67
9 WEST_AFRICAN 1.01
10 EAST_AFRICAN 0.2

EUTest
# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 28.73
2 WEST_MED 18.37
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 13.97
4 WEST_ASIAN 13.95
5 ATLANTIC 12.95
6 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 7.8
7 SOUTH_BALTIC 2.91
8 WEST_AFRICAN 0.96
9 EAST_AFRICAN 0.36

Dodecad Project

V3
# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 33.9
2 West_Asian 27.43
3 West_European 16.94
4 Southwest_Asian 12.01
5 Northwest_African 5.93
6 East_European 2.25
7 East_African 0.62
8 Neo_African 0.5
9 Palaeo_African 0.26
10 Southeast_Asian 0.14

k=7b
# Population Percent
1 Southern 41.43
2 Atlantic_Baltic 30.6
3 West_Asian 26.26
4 African 1.57
5 East_Asian 0.14

k=12b
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 39.05
2 Atlantic_Med 28.22
3 Southwest_Asian 12.66
4 North_European 8.04
5 Northwest_African 6.1
6 Gedrosia 4.37
7 East_African 0.91
8 South_Asian 0.46
9 Southeast_Asian 0.19

World9
# Population Percent
1 Southern 41.09
2 Atlantic_Baltic 32
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 25.24
4 African 1.47
5 East_Asian 0.2

Africa9
# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.94
2 SW_Asia 39.16
3 NW_Africa 12.48
4 Biaka 1.35
5 E_Africa 0.07

I am IT40:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=339&pictureid=5408

Matches in Eurogenes (to 2cM)

5cM

Druze,HGDP00595 (Distance 5.47)

4cM

Druze,HGDP00595

3cM

Tuscan,NA20828
UARU1,
Utah_Mormon,NA12889
Belorussian,belorus6
British,UK45
Cornish,HG00247
Druze,HGDP00595
Finnish,FI11
French,HGDP00526
French_Basque,HGDP01359
Lithuanian,GSM536638
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01265
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01279
Mozabite_Berber,HGDP01280
PLNL1,PLNL1
Portuguese,PT9
Russian,RU59

[Sicilianu101]

My y-chromosome haplogroup is E-M35.1 - E1b1b1
My MtDNA haplogroup is U6a

I'm currently waiting for my upgrade results to find my subclades and then I will post their distribution!

[Sikeliot]

removed..

[alfieb]

My mtDNA results from FTDNA...

sgc2009 told me he had like 10 matches. On my map, I have almost 700.

My grandmother is 4'11", curly black hair, dark olive skin, dark brown eyes... she's as Sicilian as it gets, from a rural town in the middle of the island... and yet... full mitochondrial DNA match to all of these people according to FTDNA.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5828/hmap.png

It was her kit, so the whole "you're american/mixed/whatever" or whatever shit doesn't apply. The weird "Norman" stuff that started when I found out I was H2a2a1 never seems to end.

[Sicilianu101]

My mtDNA results from FTDNA...

sgc2009 told me he had like 10 matches. On my map, I have almost 700.

My grandmother is 4'11", curly black hair, dark olive skin, dark brown eyes... she's as Sicilian as it gets, from a rural town in the middle of the island... and yet... full mitochondrial DNA match to all of these people according to FTDNA.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5828/hmap.png

It was her kit, so the whole "you're american/mixed/whatever" or whatever shit doesn't apply. The weird "Norman" stuff that started when I found out I was H2a2a1 never seems to end.

I'm not addressing this haplogroup in particular, because I haven't researched its subclades and their origins/distributions but I wanted to point out that there are many more Northern Europeans in familytreedna than any of the mediterranean groups, so you have to take this into account. Also notice your matches in Western Asia and Northwest Africa which shouldn't be ignored.

A good example to compare are the matches with the HVRI of my haplogroup which is U6a
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27670&d=1361079302

If I looked at this I might think that it is mainly a North European group, even though its a North African mtDNA haplogroup. One of the reason why there might not be North African matches is that there aren't enough North Africans in the system. There are tons of Northern Euros in the system so even if it is extremely rare among them I will get more matches with them (besides that some of them might be Ashkenazi). I'm getting an upgrade so we shall see what subclade mine is and be able to get more info about it.

[alfieb]

I just found it really weird that a Swede would have far less matches than a Sicilian - and that most of nonna's matches would be in N. Europe. :lol:

[Sunphq]

I made two pie charts of the Y-Dna distribution of Sicily, based on Di Gaetano et al. (2009) and the Sicily DNA project on ftdna.

Comparison:

http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh484/sunphq/yhaplossicily_zps57cb1b81.png

http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh484/sunphq/y-dnadistributionsicily_zps44e8dc68.png

[alfieb]

Wow, the results are very similar. Considering the massive amount of people (myself included) who are members of Sicily Project on FTDNA, I'd have to say that it proves that Di Gaetano's study is somewhat accurate.

[Sikeliot]

J2 and R1b are always the most common y-dna in Sicilians, then E1b1b.

If you add up J1, J2, E1b1b, G, and T, you see that ~60% of Sicilian y-dna is of Neolithic West Asian origin.

[Sicilianu101]

Eurogenes K36

19.24% East_Med (Cypriot, Lebanese Christian, Druze)
16.96% Near_Eastern (Jordanian, Lebanese Muslim, Palestinian, Syrian)
15.32% Italian (North Italian, Tuscan)
13.21% Iberian (Spain)

5.49% West_Med (Sardinia)
5.15% West_Caucasian (Abkhasian, Georgian)
4.83% North_African (Moroccan, Mozabite Berber)
4.34% Armenian (Armenian)

3.04% Basque (French Basque)
2.93% North_Atlantic (Cornish, SW Scot, Utah)
2.85% North_Sea (Kent, Utah)
2.51% North_Caucasian (Adygei, Balkar, Chechen, Kumyk, Lezgin, North Ossetian)
2.33% Arabian (Saudi Arabian, Yemeni, Yemeni Jewish)

1.60% East_Balkan (Bulgarian, Romanian)

0.15% French (French)
0.04% East_Central_Euro (Belarussian, Lithuanian, Russian, Ukrainian)


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.00% West_African
0.00% Volga-Ural
0.00% South_Chinese
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Fennoscandian
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% East_Central_Asian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_African
0.00% Central_Euro
0.00% Central_African
0.00% Amerindian

[Sicilianu101]

My Dodecad globe 4

93.63% European
3.16% African
2.75% Asian
0.46% Amerindian

[d3cimat3d]

It was her kit, so the whole "you're american/mixed/whatever" or whatever shit doesn't apply. The weird "Norman" stuff that started when I found out I was H2a2a1 never seems to end.

I wasn't aware Norman men brought their families along with them.

[alfieb]

I wasn't aware Norman men brought their families along with them.
Looks like the nobles imported their wives from Norman families in France, or were married already and brought them with them.

http://genealogy.euweb.cz/italy/hautvle.html

[Sicilianu101]

Interesting new update regarding my y-chromosome haplogroup (E-V12*)

I submitted my results to a moderator at haplozone and he made a phylogram with me and other participants from familytreedna. In there he has different clusters, described here (http://www.haplozone.net/e3b/project/cluster):

Since I have 37 snps currently on record, it is tentative, but based on my results so far I seem to be part of the G cluster (http://www.haplozone.net/e3b/project/cluster/75). All other current members of this cluster are Arabs from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Sudan.There are other clusters within E-V12 which seem to be Jewish or northwest-european dominated.

I am 188953 in blue.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33251&d=1367805637

[Fire Haired]

My mtDNA results from FTDNA...

sgc2009 told me he had like 10 matches. On my map, I have almost 700.

My grandmother is 4'11", curly black hair, dark olive skin, dark brown eyes... she's as Sicilian as it gets, from a rural town in the middle of the island... and yet... full mitochondrial DNA match to all of these people according to FTDNA.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5828/hmap.png

It was her kit, so the whole "you're american/mixed/whatever" or whatever shit doesn't apply. The weird "Norman" stuff that started when I found out I was H2a2a1 never seems to end.

H2a2a1 is not a Norman maternal lineage.