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Kazimiera
02-18-2013, 01:13 AM
When Thin Wasn't In

Hard to believe as it seems, thin wasn't always in. There are centuries of documentation of female beauty, and except for ours, the trend is fairly consistant: beautiful women are shapely, soft, and rounded. What a contrast is that idea to our current ideal - the waif-like figure introduced by Twiggy and popularized by the likes of Kate Moss!

This timeline is an illustrated journey through the last 600 years, from the portraits of the European Renaissance to red-carpet photos of modern celebrities. Take time to study each picture as you scroll. What would our society today say to these women about their bodies? And, perhaps more importantly, what would these women have to say to us?

15th Century Renaissance

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Elizabethan Era - 16th Century

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Rococo - 18th Century

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The Portrait: Women as Art

Before the invention of the photograph, the only way to capture your likeness was to sit for a portrait. Some of the most respected works of art by the great masters are paintings of women: the da Vinci's Mona Lisa, Vermeer's Girl with a Pearl Earring, Botticelli's Birth of Venus, Frieda Kahlo's amazing self-portraits.

Modern art has moved away from the realistic portrait, and you hardly ever see one used in home decorating, but for hundreds of years, the female body, in all its voluptuous glory, was the epitome of art - the ultimate subject - beauty itself. These women were curvy, full, and solid. They seem to occupy space in a way foreign to us. We are so intent on making less of ourselves.


Turn of the Century - 1890-1910

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The Jazz Age - 1920's

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Post Depression - 1930's

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The "New Woman" Emerges

The turn of the century was a pivotal time for women. Magazine covers echoed the shift that was occuring, showing small men against large, powerful women. Feminism was in the air. The famed Gibson Girl drawings were buxom by our standards, s-shaped, and aloof, their hair piled high upon their heads - but for the times, girls like Camille Clifford (one of the original models) were considered slender. Women compensated for their growing intellectual prowess by restraining their bodies in corsets.

The next generation went further, rejecting the modest advances of their predecessors, donning baggy, short dresses and bobbing their hair. These "flappers" flaunted their new-found freedom in a way their mothers would never have dreamed, going dancing, listening to jazz music and smoking cigarettes. Though currently portrayed in film as delicate and petite, flappers were not waifs. Some did bind their breasts down, but not to look thinner, but rather to appear more boyish. They were out to prove that they were every bit as good as their male counterparts, which initially manifested itself as imitation.

Later, women would regain their curves as, feeling more secure in their rights, they began to flaunt their femininity.

The War Years - 1940's

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Recovery - 1950's

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Social Upheaval - 1960's

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Claiming Our Space

Women found sexuality a new source of power. Clothing became skimpier in the 1940's, until World War II broke out. Feeling the "American tradition" threatened, families reverted to more conservative values, but the pin-up remained a staple of popular culture.

The 1960's saw civil rights campaigns, as well as a new wave of feminism, throwing off the domesticity of the 50's. As women sought to distance themselves from the role of wife and mother, the androgynous ideal once again surfaced in Twiggy, a stick-thin model made popular overnight by a single photo shoot.

Sexual Revolution - 1970's

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Prosperity - 1980's

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Globalization - 1990's

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From Liberation to Objectification

The Sexual Revolution brought breasts and hips back into the picture, before the fitness craze of the 1980's swept the West. Struggling to find bodies that might fit with their identities as liberated women, a generation was born obsessed with having "buns of steel" and "rock-hard abs."

Body-building gave way to weight-losing with the rise of heroin chic. The new "power" women used to define themselves was the power to resist: the discipline to deprive oneself. Waif-like icon Kate Moss led the movement as Calvin Klein spokesmodel. When her drug use was uncovered, she was quickly disavowed by the company and the fashion industry alike, but was a working model once again within six months.

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Where We're Left

...with worth determined by weight, compulsively counting calories and pounds, deconstructing ourselves into imperfect parts. We trumpet our gains in the professional and political sphere, while we pare away our bodies as penance.

Finishing my work on this piece, I scroll through the pictures one more time, pausing at the knowing smile of Mona Lisa. Countless songs and poems have wondered at what secret she keeps behind her smirking lips. Her smile is so much a part of her. It seems to come from the very core of her identity. She feels that sense of entitlement so elusive to the diet-obsessed mass of mothers, daughters, and sisters, forever afraid of wanting too much, eating too much being too much. I wonder, if she lived here and now, would she be just another one of us, perpetually putting herself down, or is her power so deep-rooted she would manage to rise above it? I'd like to think we all have that power, ingrained in us somewhere... that deep down inside, we possess that kernal of knowledge that has the potential to free us, if we could only access it; the knowledge that we are art, by our very nature.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nUDIoN-_Hxs

http://maddieruud.hubpages.com/hub/Standards_of_Beauty_An_Illustrated_Timeline

Caismeachd
02-18-2013, 01:19 AM
I think men from the past would view the current skinny androgynous women trend as being tomboyish or masculinized and off-putting. There is just something sterile seeming about women who are rail thin like the examples above.

Skomand
02-18-2013, 01:22 AM
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Boticelli (born 1445)
"Birth of Venus"

no change at all

larali
02-18-2013, 01:24 AM
I get so tired of society's emphasis on shallow appearances. It's disgusting.

I think long ago, people were simply less focused on appearance and more on substance-- because they had to be. Had they had the options available to us now, they'd be just like us.

I do remember the anorexic 90s, I was one of those girls.

Kazimiera
02-18-2013, 01:26 AM
Nowadays, the skinny body with big boobs is in.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llr2miCXmh1qbpu8oo1_500.jpg

Smaug
02-18-2013, 01:26 AM
Really good post Kaz! Very interesting. Few women are beautiful enough to be considered beautiful in all the ages, but thou art one of them, thou art my lamp and my light is in thee.

larali
02-18-2013, 01:27 AM
Girls here are getting grotesque implants like that at age 16 and probably younger.

pinguino
02-18-2013, 01:32 AM
The perfect woman of all times will be Marylin, forever:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=27822&d=1361154724

Kazimiera
02-18-2013, 01:34 AM
In the 1950's, women would have killed themselves to look like Marilyn Monroe.

Imagine celebrity gossip magazines today: She's fat! Whale on land! Marilyn needs to shed at least twenty pounds!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UnkuP2jNzIo/T54B51mQVGI/AAAAAAAAAFs/g0adtq87c_0/s1600/marilyn.jpg

larali
02-18-2013, 01:36 AM
She was kind of fake for her time, (bleached blonde hair and lots of makeup), although her body was awesome.

I heard she had a million abortions though, and her affairs with married men: lack of substance.

Acquisitor
02-18-2013, 01:43 AM
The perfect woman of all times will be Marylin, forever:

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yes I agree with this, she was "perfect". Also her behavior was perfect.

larali
02-18-2013, 01:44 AM
:rolleyes:

RussiaPrussia
02-18-2013, 03:21 AM
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s666/malaria2000/choice_zps3cbe307b.png

BS these are the 3 types of idols in the west men care about

Colonel Frank Grimes
02-18-2013, 03:26 AM
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s666/malaria2000/choice_zps3cbe307b.png

BS these are the 3 types of idols in the west men care about

I'd bang them; although I don't like the first woman's exhibitionism. She's probably a porn star. Letting it all hang out is not very attractive. The third will write too much bad poetry and force me to listen to bad emo music. The second is just right: attractive and sexual but with no slutty or immature vibes.

RussiaPrussia
02-18-2013, 03:29 AM
I'd bang them; although I don't like the first woman's exhibitionism. She's probably a porn star. Letting it all hang out is not attractive. The third will write too much bad poetry and force me to listen to bad emo music. The second is just right: attractive and sexual but with no slutty or immature vibes.

you say that but if you would meet the first or the third one in real life, you sure? There is no choice in real life many times.

Colonel Frank Grimes
02-18-2013, 03:42 AM
you say that but if you would meet the first or the third one in real life, you sure? There is no choice in real life many times.

Well, I did say I'd bang them anyway but I doubt I'd want to spend a great deal of time with either one. The second one appears more sophisticated. Instead of going for the lowest common denominator she realizes attractiveness has more to do with how you present yourself and not just about what you present. On that alone she comes off as more sophisticated than the other two. Not only is she attractive and creates desire she gives the impression she has more to offer than the other two.

That's the impression the photos give me.

That being said I notice American slang words and expressions about sex are very violent. Bang... I'd hit that... even the word fuck sounds very violent. "I'd fuck her." I realized I don't use those types of words if I actually like the woman as a person, or if I don't know the woman but she comes across as respectable. I'm curious to see if other men at the forum are the same way or if it's peculiar to me but that's off-topic.

rhiannon
02-18-2013, 03:50 AM
Nowadays, the skinny body with big boobs is in.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llr2miCXmh1qbpu8oo1_500.jpg

Even more impossible to achieve:hrm00000:

RussiaPrussia
02-18-2013, 03:54 AM
Well, I did say I'd bang them anyway but I doubt I'd want to spend a great deal of time with either one. The second one appears more sophisticated. Instead of going for the lowest common denominator she realizes attractiveness has more to do with how you present yourself and not just about what you present. On that alone she comes off as more sophisticated than the other two. Not only is she attractive and creates desire she gives the impression she has more to offer than the other two.

That's the impression the photos give me.

That being said I notice American slang words and expressions about sex are very violent. Bang... I'd hit that... even the word fuck sounds very violent. "I'd fuck her." I realized I don't use those types of words if I actually like the woman as a person, or if I don't know the woman but she comes across as respectable. I'm curious to see if other men at the forum are the same way or if it's peculiar to me but that's off-topic.

i selected the womens not because i feel like they would act like that but because i think thats what men like about these 3 different styles in the picture i made.

Colonel Frank Grimes
02-18-2013, 04:00 AM
i selected the womens not because i feel like they would act like that but because i think thats what men like about these 3 different styles in the picture i made.

I certainly agree with you. Like I said, I'd bang them. I just added a bit more: my choice between the three and why.

rhiannon
02-18-2013, 04:01 AM
Kaz, this is a topic near and dear to my heart.

I am old enough to have memories of all those images from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Plus, to really put the emphasis on it all, I was born and raised in Los Angeles. This is THE worst place and environment for a girl to grow up in if she has a phenotype that is not congruent with body standards of that era....of which mine has never been. I don't have a freaking gracile bone in my body anywhere, lol. Even starving myself or totally depriving myself...it was not possible to shrink my muscles or my big-ass bones in my arms and legs. I have hated myself my entire life for being different. Even at this age, with a husband who loves me for me no less, these feelings are deeply embedded in my psyche.

It's made worse now because obviously, being a woman over the age of 40 is essentially like being a horse put out to pasture.

Our society is hollow and devoid of any real substance. I don't see the trend improving, I see it becoming exacerbated instead.

:shrug:

Colonel Frank Grimes
02-18-2013, 04:04 AM
Kaz, this is a topic near and dear to my heart.

I am old enough to have memories of all those images from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Plus, to really put the emphasis on it all, I was born and raised in Los Angeles. This is THE worst place and environment for a girl to grow up in if she has a phenotype that is not congruent with body standards of that era....of which mine has never been. I don't have a freaking gracile bone in my body anywhere, lol. Even starving myself or totally depriving myself...it was not possible to shrink my muscles or my big-ass bones in my arms and legs. I have hated myself my entire life for being different. Even at this age, with a husband who loves me for me no less, these feelings are deeply embedded in my psyche.

It's made worse now because obviously, being a woman over the age of 40 is essentially like being a horse put out to pasture.

Our society is hollow and devoid of any real substance. I don't see the trend improving, I see it becoming exacerbated instead.

:shrug:

Few people are ever truly happy with themselves. While society may cause stress on what a woman is expected to look like or whatever people always find a supposed flaw in themselves. It's human nature. Women are incredibly blind to themselves. It's amazing. I've heard women as thin as a rail think they're too fat and I've seen massively obese women wearing very tight clothing thinking they have a hot body. The human mind is amazing.