Germans of Turanic Racial Type

[sevruk]

Horst von Tyskland continuing his research...
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/aiwn07/Schmeling_Max21.jpg
http://s55.radikal.ru/i149/0901/51/72fa0cd3b9d5.jpg
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http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjqGeZgdR3A5hEO2jTgfW-ixwFNYn4WgiOjpLemBiQp03Yjz__ng
http://www.bayer04.de/bilder/11_12/08_266/Leno_160811_0026h.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/250000142.jpg
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http://i067.radikal.ru/0909/20/fb80d2d77284.jpg

[Hess]

Is it really fair to call this guy a pure Turanid?
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[Pallantides]

Horst Buchholz
http://i.imgur.com/KC50TkD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T4PVF4H.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ysi1QqK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MVNHdZu.jpg

[sevruk]

Is it really fair to call this guy a pure Turanid?
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Horst von Tyskland calls it easy Turanic vibe

[Pallantides]

Horst von Tyskland is an expert, if he says it's Turanic, it's Turanic.

[Hess]

With such low standards, you could probably find "Turanic Vibes" in every central European country from France to Italy.

That being said, I do agree that the first guy (big black and white picture) might have something Turanic in him.

[Hoca]

Atilla the hun left his mark I see.

[Pallantides]

Atilla the hun left his mark I see.

There are some who try to link the presence of Y-DNA Q in Europe with Attila and the Huns(but who know how accurate such assumptions can be?)
http://www.disnorge.no/cms/system/files/offentlige_filer/Haplogroup-Q%20Eupedia.gif

[Proto-Shaman]

http://s55.radikal.ru/i149/0901/51/72fa0cd3b9d5.jpg
This one is understandable, ...

... but for the rest...
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35009099.jpg

[Corvus]

Blasphemy, Aherne will not approve :eek:

[Pallantides]

http://i.imgur.com/Zs339Qi.jpg

[Hoca]

There are some who try to link the presence of Y-DNA Q in Europe with Attila and the Huns(but who know how accurate such assumptions can be?)
http://www.disnorge.no/cms/system/files/offentlige_filer/Haplogroup-Q%20Eupedia.gif

probably true

[Proto-Shaman]

http://i.imgur.com/Zs339Qi.jpg
Tell Horst von Tyskland he lost a good fan :tongue

[Pallantides]

Tell Horst von Tyskland he lost a fan :tongue

Horst will be sad, he has worked hard mapping the Turanic presence in Europe.

[Útrám]

Most of these are just Phalians. You have faelid...

[Proto-Shaman]

Horst will be sad, he has worked hard mapping the Turanic presence in Europe.
Here is a good friend for Horst:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35042247.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

http://i067.radikal.ru/0909/20/fb80d2d77284.jpg
Obviously trisomy 21 :D

[Pallantides]

Here is a good friend for Horst:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35042247.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Hcb3rod.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

http://i.imgur.com/Hcb3rod.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JBcKNUk4t0o/UOD6vy34hGI/AAAAAAAAav8/WKaCNO28wBg/s1600/IMG_6710.jpg

[Hoca]

Some people just have a talent for dropping a dump on a nice thread.

[Proto-Shaman]

Some people just have a talent for dropping a dump on a nice thread.
So you appreciate Horst von Tyskland?

[ButlerKing]

Fins, Swedes, Norwegians don't have Attila the HUNS DNA, although some theory was that Huns were incorporated into Vikings, North Europeans Mongoloid admixture already dates back the neolithic.

" The anthropological researches support these results (16 percent of the population had Mongolid, Europo-Mongoloid origin in the 10-11th centuries).[24] It might be determined, the conqueror Hungarians had mostly Europid anthropological composition "

Huns raids of Europe from 900 to 1100.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Kalandozasok.jpg

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[Proto-Shaman]

As described below, the original Turanians are an Iranian[2][3][4]
So called "Iranic" Scythians.

[Proto-Shaman]

http://i.imgur.com/Hcb3rod.jpg
Now are they Turanid, too?
http://www.africanholocaust.net/images/south-african-and-chinese-compare-features.jpg

[archangel]

turanisc were there before the indo european gypsies:) lol jk

[Proto-Shaman]

turanisc were there before the indo european gypsies:) lol jk
Please don't insult. Thanks.

[Methusalem]

Trollthread.

[Methusalem]

Most of those so called Turanid Germans are nothing else than a bit oddlooking Alpinids, Dalo-Faelids or archaich Cromagnoids.

[Partizan]

Tūrān (Persian توران) is the Persian name[1] for a region around Central Asia, literally meaning "the land of the Tur". As described below, the original Turanians are an Iranian[2][3][4]

If you know Shahname and Avesta, it tells about war between "Aryan" and "Turan". So, Turan is not an Iranic tribe but enemy of Iranic "Aryan"s.

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[Partizan]

How about Turks show what they are made of. I know of a couple who have shared their "Turanic" ydna, Like ydna I and ydna R1b.
Start a thread with only Turks posting their ydna.

For example wiki has this graph posted, we can either confirm or dismiss this data, and see how it compares with Germans.

Haplogroup distributions in Turkish people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_origins_of_the_Turkish_people

J2=24% - J2 (M172) Typical of populations of Caucasus, the Near East, Southeast Europe, Southwest Asia with a moderate distribution through much of Central Asia, South Asia.
R1b=14.7% -Typical of Western Europeans, Eurasian People, and typical of Uyghurs in the Central Asia [21][22]
G=10.9% - Typical of people from the Caucasus and to a lesser extent the Middle East.
E1b1b1=10.7% - Typical of people from the Mediterranean
J1=9% - Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan (ranging from 3% from Turks around Konya to 12% in Kurds).
R1a=6.9% - Typical of Central Asian, Caucasus, Altaic people, Eastern Europeans and Indo-Aryan people.
I=5.3% - Typical of Central Europeans, Western Caucasian and Balkan populations.
K=4.5% - Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
L=4.2% - Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasan populations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
N=3.8% - Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
T=2.5% - Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
Q=1.9% - Typical of Northern Altaic populations.

Well, since J2, R1a and R1b are also common among Uyghurs, Uzbeks and Turkmens, I see no problem. Actually those Kazakhs with C Y-DNA are genetically less Turkic than Turks of Turkey, due to Mongol tribes' settlement during Pax Mongolica.

Moreover, Y-DNA is not everything. Autosomal DNA is more important(Ashina has 14% Asian, almost same with Turkmens).

[Proto-Shaman]

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Turks of Anatolia are Pre-Turanid. The only few Turanid influences you can observe are inherited from the 11th c. Turkic newcomers.

[ButlerKing]

Most Turks Mongoloid DNA did not even come from Mongolian. Only haplogroup C3 and about 20% of their mtDNA are related with Mongolian but the rest are South Siberian mtDNA

Original Turkic markers most likely Q and N.

Haplogroup Q reachest 10-14% in some Uzbekistan cities and Northern Turkmenistan. Haplogroup N however is low but it reach 7% in western Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, is more frequent in Kazakhstan and the Pamir Kyrgyz have 29% N1b.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Haplogrupo_N_%28ADN-Y%29.PNG

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[ButlerKing]

Moreover, Y-DNA is not everything. Autosomal DNA is more important(Ashina has 14% Asian, almost same with Turkmens

Seems to me it depends, Ashina may have 14% Asian but rarely do they have Mongoloid features. Turkmen on the other hand have many Mongoloid features people this is because 23% of Turkmen also have 27.5% to 31% Asian DNA and that is the difference. There is no evidence of Turkmen with haplogroup C3 this means Turkmen have not been genetically impact by Mongolians at all.

[Proto-Shaman]

Original Turkic markers most likely Q and N.
You forgot R:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Haplogroup_R_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

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[RussiaPrussia]

probably true

but that makes turks less turanic than russians D:

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[ButlerKing]

You forgot R:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Haplogroup_R_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG

Yes of course, Haplogroup R1a is Caucasian. I do believe some Turks already had these markers, but just like you said autosomal DNA is what matters the most so it doesn't matter if R1a is also Turkic marker what matter was how they looked.

If someone who has haplogroup R1b or R1a but look like this man than the marker have little meaning. For me, I don't care if you have R1a and Caucasian mtDNA If you look something like this than haplogroups have little to no meanings anymore, no doubt even this guys grandparents would have looked just as Mongoloid.

http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/p12933.jpg


WIKIPEDIA
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The descent of the Kyrgyz from the autochthonous Siberian population is confirmed by genetic studies.[15] For instance, 63% of modern Kyrgyz men of Jumgal District.

Another example of a Siberian haplogroup is N1b, found in the Pamir Kyrgyz of Tajikistan (29%). All the other populations with a considerable frequency of this haplogroup are found only in Russia.


Other groups of Kyrgyz show considerably lower haplogroup R frequencies and almost lack haplogroup N.


In a maternal mtDNA study, West Eurasian DNA ranges from 27% to 42.6% in the Kyrgyz.[23]

Because of the processes of migration, conquest, intermarriage, and assimilation, many of the Kyrgyz peoples who now inhabit Central and Southwest Asia are of mixed origins, often stemming from fragments of many different tribes, though they speak closely related languages.[5]

[Proto-Shaman]

Avesta=Avestan (pron.: /əˈvɛstən/)[1] is an East Iranian language

Turan=Tūrān (Persian توران) is the Persian name[1] for a region around Central Asia, literally meaning "the land of the Tur". As described below, the original Turanians are an Iranian
"Actually, the hypothesis about Iranian-linguality of the Eurasian steppe cattlemen, built on the comparative analysis of linguists between the languages of ”Avesta” and modern European languages, is a fruit of the Eurocentrism theories. According to that theory the Türkic-lingual cattle breeding tribes of the Eurasian steppes were declared to be Iranian-lingual." (A.Askarov, The Aryan problem: new approaches and views, Tashkent, 2005 (http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/btn_Archeology/MiddleAsianEthnogenesisEn.htm))

[Proto-Shaman]

Yes thank you Kipchak. Just using there R clades you demolish the Turanic-Turkic model and promote the Indo-European model.
Explain your fancy theory.

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[Sky earth]

You forgot R:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Haplogroup_R_%28Y-DNA%29.PNG


You just prove that y-DNA Haplogroups have zero to do phenotypes.
The Hausa people in Sub-Saharan Africa reach about 40 % R1b.They must be real Aryans or in your case Turanics:D. Sadly they don't look different from other Negros in this area.

[Proto-Shaman]

Yes of course, Haplogroup R1a is Caucasian. I do believe some Turks already had these markers, but just like you said autosomal DNA is what matters the most so it doesn't matter if R1a is also Turkic marker what matter was how they looked.

If someone who has haplogroup R1b or R1a but look like this man than the marker have little meaning. For me, I don't care if you have R1a and Caucasian mtDNA If you look something like this than haplogroups have little to no meanings anymore, no doubt even this guys grandparents would have looked just as Mongoloid.

http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/p12933.jpg
I recommend you this thread here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69337-Ancient-Kyrgyz-face-and-R1a-Y-DNA

The Kyrgyz have not only the highest R1a rate (60-70%) but also the highest North European autosomal DNA of Central Asia with about 27% if I remember correctly. Here are some very common Kyrgyz:
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[Partizan]

Yes Partizan and ydna I=5.3% - Typical of Central Europeans, Western Caucasian and Balkan populations.



So you don't care about your paternal heritage, hardly found in Turanic region if at all.

Well, it is rarely found around Caspian Sea, Urals and Siberia. Though autosomal is more important to me. Our forum owner, Loki, has E-V13 but it does not make him Albanian. He is still overwhelmingly Western European on autosomal.


Avesta=Avestan (pron.: /əˈvɛstən/)[1] is an East Iranian language

Turan=Tūrān (Persian توران) is the Persian name[1] for a region around Central Asia, literally meaning "the land of the Tur". As described below, the original Turanians are an Iranian

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/IE1500BP.png

1.Gallipoli movie of Peter Weir was in English and talking about Turkish-British war. So, after some centuries, can somebody claim Ottomans were originally Anglo-Saxon because movie was in English? :rolleyes:
2.Since in both Avesta and Shahnameh, it is Aryan vs. Turan, it is for sure Turanians were arch enemies of Iranic people.

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[Proto-Shaman]

Yes thank you Kipchak R1a-z93 and 13910 ct overlap quite well
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9j8Ih7E-aUY/T-PXYxPoVKI/AAAAAAAAAZM/ZWXkgXy5Hkw/s1600/Predicted+Old+World+LP+phenotype+frequencies+based +on+frequency+data+for+the+-13,910+C%3ET+allele+only.png
So Native Americans are Indo-European, too?

[Proto-Shaman]

You just prove that y-DNA Haplogroups have zero to do phenotypes.
The Hausa people in Sub-Saharan Africa reach about 40 % R1b.They must be real Aryans or in your case Turanics:D. Sadly they don't look different from other Negros in this area.
We were not talking about phenotypes. You moron :picard1:

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[ButlerKing]

I recommend you this thread here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69337-Ancient-Kyrgyz-face-and-R1a-Y-DNA

The Kyrgyz have not only the highest R1a rate (60-70%) but also the highest North European autosomal DNA of Central Asia with about 27% if I remember correctly. Here are some very common Kyrgyz:
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That was my thread. Yes, I even admitted that ancient Kyrgyz were closer to Caucasian (but also already mixed with Mongoloid), only a minority had predominate Mongoloid features now today Mongoloid features dominate. Yes 67% Caucasian Y-DNA with 27 - 42% Caucasian mtDNA but 72% Mongoloid racially.

Mongolians added only 20-30% more Mongoloid DNA to their phenotypes.
Haplogroup C3 12% and O3 8% and some Mongolian mtDNA .

[archangel]

i am really fed up this indo european gypsy lover history makers.:mad:

[Proto-Shaman]

i am really fed up this indo european gypsy lover history makers.:mad:
Your posts are legendary :D Is it possible to write in a more detailed and non-offensive style?

[Sky earth]

We were not talking about phenotypes. You moron :picard1:

You take everything seriously don't you:picard1::D

Well, I don't know any autosomal study from the Kyrgyz. Can you give me a link please.

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[ButlerKing]

" The descent of the Kyrgyz from the autochthonous Siberian population is confirmed by genetic studies.[15] For instance, 63% of modern Kyrgyz men of Jumgal District. "

Is there any more genetic data of Kyrgyz people?

For example I remember reading from Russian site showing Pamir Kyrgyz had only 35% R1a and in northern Kyrgyzstan ( I forgot this names district ) had only 39% R1a. It seems to me that it is only southern part of Kyrgyzstan with has high haplogroup R1a.

[ButlerKing]

Your posts are legendary :D Is it possible to write in a more detailed and non-offensive style?

Hey Kipchak I read your reputation comment.

Here is autosomal DNA of Kyrgyz from one district.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TbTd_E9Q8zc/Tz1p8pOXnGI/AAAAAAAAEh0/corWNrCIYPM/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Kyrgyz_Bishkek_Ho_3.png

[Proto-Shaman]

Hey Kipchak I read your reputation comment.

Here is autosomal DNA of Kyrgyz from one district.

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The thing is that the Shetland population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland) find its nearest R1a cluster with the Kyrgyzs, but I have no idea which autosomal DNA caused this cluster.

[Sky earth]

Hey Kipchak I read your reputation comment.

Here is autosomal DNA of Kyrgyz from one district.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TbTd_E9Q8zc/Tz1p8pOXnGI/AAAAAAAAEh0/corWNrCIYPM/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Kyrgyz_Bishkek_Ho_3.png


The question is whether the West Eurasian component here is more "West Asian" or "North European" but still thanks

[ButlerKing]

The question is whether the West Eurasian component here is more "West Asian" or "North European" but still thanks

You mean the types of Caucasian components?

11.7% European
7.8% Gedrocia
6.5% Caucasus
3.5% Atlantic Med
2.3% South Asia

[Proto-Shaman]

No, like West Asian, Far Asian, North European etc.. like here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedGdRbkxKMDdlZkJWc21tdkpldWxwV mc#gid=0

but Kyrgyzs were not listed there.

[Sky earth]

No, like West Asian, Far Asian, North European etc.. like here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedGdRbkxKMDdlZkJWc21tdkpldWxwV mc#gid=0

but Kyrgyzs were not listed there.

I know it's off-topic but holy shit Nogais are only 22 % Mongoloid:eek2:
Based on the pictures I saw they looked like Kazakhs and Kyrgyz.

[ButlerKing]

I know it's off-topic but holy shit Nogais are only 22 % Mongoloid:eek2:
Based on the pictures I saw they looked like Kazakhs and Kyrgyz.

Those samples are Kuban Nogais not from Nogay republic that is why is only 22%. You know what's stupid if for example, 2 samples out of 30 shows only 22% Mongoloid they put that number but the 28 samples can range from from 20 - 80% Mongoloid.

That is why I never look at the spreadsheets because it lacks too much accuracy.

[Sky earth]

Those samples are Kuban Nogais not from Nogay republic that is why is only 22%. You know what's stupid if for example, 2 samples out of 30 shows only 22% Mongoloid they put that number but the 28 samples can range from from 20 - 80% Mongoloid.

That is why I never look at the spreadsheets because it lacks too much accuracy.

If they were Kuban Nogais it would also stand there.
There are 14 examples and they calculate the numbers of Siberian and Far Asians components for each 14 Nogai together and the average here is 22 % Mongoloid. There are no mistakes.

[Sky earth]

If they were Kuban Nogais it would also stand there.
There are 14 examples and they calculate the numbers of Siberian and Far Asians components for each 14 Nogai together and the average here is 22 % Mongoloid. There are no mistakes.

[ButlerKing]

If they were Kuban Nogais it would also stand there.
There are 14 examples and they calculate the numbers of Siberian and Far Asians components for each 14 Nogai together and the average here is 22 % Mongoloid. There are no mistakes.

Kuban Nogais look more Caucasian but Nogais from Nogay republic and those from the the North Caucasus sea also look Mongoloid.


Kuban Nogais cluster between Nogais and North Caucasus people.

The results are from the same study
http://i48.tinypic.com/4q5ww.jpg

[Sky earth]

Kuban Nogais look more Caucasian but Nogais from Nogay republic and those from the the North Caucasus sea also look Mongoloid.


Kuban Nogais cluster between Nogais and North Caucasus people.

The results are from the same study
http://i48.tinypic.com/4q5ww.jpg

There are only estimated 130.000 Nogais in the World.
It would be so great when they could test all Nogais in a Autosomal study:)

[ButlerKing]

There are only estimated 130.000 Nogais in the World.
It would be so great when they could test all Nogais in a Autosomal study:)


It would be nice but you already see the difference.


Here, Nogais from Kuban
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/4068071949_9dacd972e0_o.jpg

Nogais from the Black sea and their Circassian neighbours.

http://photo1.kavkaz-uzel.ru/system/attachments/0003/0328/new_view.jpg

[Philo]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjqGeZgdR3A5hEO2jTgfW-ixwFNYn4WgiOjpLemBiQp03Yjz__ng

LOL. HAHA.
He's definitely Turanic.

[Legion]

Brilliant research. Here is a cinematic version.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOP0rEUGqrE

[Philo]

Brilliant research. Here is a cinematic version.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOP0rEUGqrE

I just love the musc in that video. Here's another video with good turanian music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vuz_fhzkQA

[Geminus]

I waited for this thread :D

[SabirHunOgur]

these are east baltic

[SabirHunOgur]

0:26 mixed pontid
0:43 mixed east baltic
0:46 mixed pamirid
0:51 too
0:59 mixed alpin

[SabirHunOgur]

the first video is 100% wrong.
east baltic, cro magnonid, and mixed mongol europid are not turanid!
second video is the right for turanid (with some mixeds).
some idiots believe it turanid is the mongolid eyed europid.
turanid is from andronovo cro magnonid which was influenced by the siberians in minimal percent.

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the first video is 100% wrong.
east baltic, cro magnonid, and mixed mongol europid are not turanid!
second video is the right for turanid (with some mixeds).
some idiots believe it turanid is the mongolid eyed europid.
turanid is from andronovo cro magnonid which was influenced by the siberians in minimal percent.

Yes it's a trollololo thread

[sevruk]

Horst von Tyskland does not troll

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Horst von Tyskland does not troll

Post his picture. Here is the king of Norway. Definition Turanic is Indo-European not Mongolian.

http://bonanzleimages.s3.amazonaws.com/afu/images/0496/5619/il_fullxfull.236757357.jpg

[Pallantides]

Here is the king of Norway.

http://bonanzleimages.s3.amazonaws.com/afu/images/0496/5619/il_fullxfull.236757357.jpg



He died in 1991, current king is Harald V:p

[Proto-Shaman]

Post his picture. Here is the king of Norway. Definition Turanic is Indo-European not Mongolian.

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Indo-European is a linguistic term not a racial!

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Here is Cnut the great
985 or 995 – 12 November 1035), more commonly known as Canute, was a king of Denmark, England, Norway and parts of Sweden

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Sweyn Forkbeard He was a Viking leader and the father of Cnut the Great

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Indo-European is a linguistic term not a racial!
That is the language they speak in Norway Indo-European that is the language they speak in Iran Indo-European and that is the language the ancient Germans spoke, Indo-European. Look at my avatar look at my signature look at king Harald.

Look at Indo-European king from Royal Scythian named Skilurus in Ukraine all look the same.

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[Proto-Shaman]

That is the language they speak in Norway Indo-European that is the language they speak in Iran Indo-European and that is the language the ancent Germans spoke, Indo-European.
Again, Indo-European is a linguistic term not a racial!

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Again, Indo-European is a linguistic term not a racial!

They do not look like your avatar and definition of Turanic which is Iranian at it's core without mongol admixture, sorry that is just how it is.

[Proto-Shaman]

They do not look like your avatar and definition of Turanic which is Iranian at it's core without mongol admixture, sorry that is just how it is.
"Turan" is an Iranian term for Central Asian Turks, Huns, Scythians, Sakas etc., not Iranians xD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniran

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"Turan" is an Iranian term for Central Asian Turks, Huns, Scythians, Sakas etc., not Iranians xD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniran
Okay I think I gotcha, you think original Germans looked like this.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081212045411/memoryalpha/en/images/4/4e/Genghis_Khan.jpg

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and not this,

"The Anglo-Saxons were the population in Britain partly descended from the Germanic tribes"

ANGLO-SAXON, Kings of All England. Aethelred II

http://mycoinpage.com/Coin_Samples/Anglo_Saxon/image01126.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

Okay I think I gotcha, you think original Germans looked like this.

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First of all the picture you have provided shows south-east asian racial characteristics, not central asian (Turanid)!! 2ndly Ghengis Khan had red hair and green eyes!!

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http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35009099.jpg

[SabirHunOgur]

Bullshit!
Tipical east baltid with mediterrean, jewish, anatolian, greek or another black haired ancestor!

[SabirHunOgur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGAtJQ2VxwI

its the turanid!

[SabirHunOgur]

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magyr (turanid) vs avar (mongoloid)

[ALL]

First of all the picture you have provided shows south-east asian racial characteristics, not central asian (Turanid)!! 2ndly Ghengis Khan had red hair and green eyes!!

How about about you post your genetic results and we compare.

[Proto-Shaman]

...

Okay I see you have a German flag representing you, this is a German thread.

28301

How about about you post your genetic results and we compare. You are original Turanid German and proto germans looked like you and your Turkish friends, or you are full of shit, either way lets compare your uncle Chris theory.
Actually this is a Troll thread :) Didn't you recognized it? But when you want to know my serious answer to "Turanid Germans": When I go out I see at least 2-4 Turanid looking people around my region per week. Maybe they are just some eastern European immigrants, who knows. Whatever the case, in the last 6 months I saw 2 extremely Turanoid looking German men of Kipchak type. You know what is Kipchak?


http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081212045411/memoryalpha/en/images/4/4e/Genghis_Khan.jpg
Here learn some Turkic Genetic History:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karasuk_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashtyk_culture

[ALL]

Actually this is a Troll thread :) Didn't you recognized it? But when you want to know my serious answer to "Turanid Germans": When I go out I see at least 2-4 Turanid looking people around my region per week. Maybe they are just some eastern European immigrants, who knows. Whatever the case, in the last 6 months I saw 2 extremely Turanoid looking German men of Kipchak type. You know what is Kipchak?

Yes I was counter Trolling you:p I wanted to see who is more Kipchak you or me:thumb001:

[Balmung]

I love those almond eyes in general. Its part of the reason IMO that North Europeans along with East Europeans are the most beautiful. When a blonde has almond eyes, its like the greatest thing ever.

[sevruk]

some more Germans Turanic racial type by Horst von Tyskland
http://transferi.sportal.ru/uploads/players/0007/00007477.jpg
http://i.football.ua/i/people/2256.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2012/324x324/53641.jpg

[Asgardsrei]

Probably germanized slavs.

[ALL]

It's easy to post pictures. Backing it up with genetics is a different matter. That's why a lot of the posters don't care to share their heritage on a genetic level. I was very surprised that some Turks who claim Turanid have Indian and Somalian ydna brothers. At least they are not ashamed to share; the others, I can only imagine. Anyway, they sure know how to post nice pictures.

[Proto-Shaman]

**Irony mode off**
Turanid/Eastern looking Germans...
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/2919029/1/

Pauline Schmiechen:
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She looks like Turkish actress Saadet Işıl Aksoy or Hungarian-Cuman Hedvig Karakas.
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Konrad Adenauer: (without any doubts mongoloid admixture)
http://i2.listal.com/image/796571/600full-konrad-adenauer.jpg
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Werner Daehn: (obviously Kipchak-Slav admixture from Ural)
http://www.werner-daehn.com/site_media/photologue/photos/cache/nr2_full_size.jpg

Unknown: (definitely Kipchak)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28411&d=13615569622841228411

Karen Kopp: (without any doubts mongoloid admixture)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28413&d=136155720128413

An old German pic (http://dodona.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=physanth&action=print&thread=7416): (obviously a copy of a Kyrgyz-Kipchak)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/Liquid_Len/tzdek.jpg

Austrian actor Oscar Homolka:
http://trackerpg.com/actors/oskar-homolka.jpg
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Turanids in Europe:

Germany/Austria and Serbia got each 1 Turanid components:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28367&d=1361498506
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Conclusion: Turanid/Eastern genetic components are very, veery, ... veery low in Germans.

**Full Stop**
**Irony mode on**

Some further reading: http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4945880/1/

[Pallantides]

I love those almond eyes in general. Its part of the reason IMO that North Europeans along with East Europeans are the most beautiful. When a blonde has almond eyes, its like the greatest thing ever.


Yes, it must be our Türanic admixture:icon_cheesygrin:

[Insuperable]

Konrad Adenauer had car crash which mutilated his face.
The rest do not look unusual unless you cherry pick pictures
("...with out any doubts Mongloid admixture..." lol idiot)

[iNird]

This is one of the most outrageous threads i have seen on this forum.

And that's saying alot.....

[Proto-Shaman]

------------------------------------**Irony mode off**------------------------------------

This is one of the most outrageous threads i have seen on this forum.

And that's saying alot.....
Actually this is a Troll thread :) Didn't you recognized it? When you want to talk seriously you have to mark it at the beginning of your post with **Irony mode off** and then close it with **Irony mode on**.

------------------------------------**Irony mode on**------------------------------------


Yes, it must be our Türanic admixture:icon_cheesygrin:

Konrad Adenauer had car crash which mutilated his face.
The rest do not look unusual unless you cherry pick pictures
("...with out any doubts Mongloid admixture..." lol idiot)
This guy is of TÜranid Admixture, without any doubts Mongloid admixture, lol:
http://www.dw.de/image/0,,1649009_4,00.jpg

[AseNa]

Werner Daehn: (Obviously Kipchak-Slav admixture from Ural)
http://www.werner-daehn.com/site_media/photologue/photos/cache/nr2_full_size.jpg




He looks like a bashkort man from Ufa :)

[sevruk]

http://transferi.sportal.ru/uploads/players/0008/00008307.jpg
http://www.footballtop.ru/sites/default/files/photos/players/julian-draksler.jpg

[riverman]

Most of those so called Turanid Germans are nothing else than a bit oddlooking Alpinids, Dalo-Faelids or archaich Cromagnoids.

Germans can have the "Turanid" look, much as I dislike this vague term.



Although in the OP I agree, some aren't "Turanid"

[riverman]

..............

[riverman]

This is one of the most outrageous threads i have seen on this forum.

And that's saying alot.....


Outrageous from the start, but people went along with it because they thought some of those dudes in the OP who weren't Turanid actually were, so, fail thread either way

[Proto-Shaman]

Janin-Christin Weiß:
http://asset4.modelmanagement.com/mm-eyJ0Ijp7InIiOnsibCI6/IjgwMCIsImgiOiI4MDAi/fSwidyI6eyJ0eCI6Ikph/bmluLUNocmlzdGluIFdl/aVx1MDBkZlxubW9kZWxt/YW5hZ2VtZW50LmNvbVwv/bW9kZWxcL2phbmluLWNo/cmlzdGluLXdlaXNzIiwi/dHhvIjp7ImwiOiI1NDQi/LCJoIjoiODAwIn19LCIw/Ijp7InciOnsibGciOiIx/IiwibGdoIjoiMjEzIiwi/bGdnIjoiZiJ9fX0sImlk/IjoiaTQ0NjE3NiIsImYi/OiJqcGcifQ;;.jpg
http://www.strandblick.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Janin-ChristinWei%C3%9F_02.jpg
http://www.universalmodels.de/images/models/198_1.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

Leilah Lilienruh. She is native German, but I think she has half French ancestry:
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484318_3134295807787_298652582_n.jpg
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/529203_4443961188603_768509683_n.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7mQ7xQJEMcQ/UXXL2hvd4GI/AAAAAAAAAUA/7TTd4Ashgl0/w497-h373/Studio+1.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

Fuck, Germans in Germany are like 75million+ last time I checked, ofcourse you will find some unusual phenotypes then. Cherrypicking is so common in these boards.
lol, what did you expect? posting those 80 mio. average Germans? besides, German Y-DNA is just 4% Germanic or so.

[sevruk]

propaganda poster by Horst von Tyskland
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/grevvlad/37623632/86368/86368_600.jpg

[Grizzly]

lol, I almost spit out my coffee when I saw Mario Goetze or Holger Badstuber being turanic..

Turanic.. Really?

[Proto-Shaman]

propaganda poster by Horst von Tyskland
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/grevvlad/37623632/86368/86368_600.jpg
Now, who is the propagandist here?
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?71373-Germans-of-Turanic-Racial-Type&p=1387261&viewfull=1#post1387261

[Kastrioti1443]

lol, what did you expect? posting those 80 mio. average Germans? besides, German Y-DNA is just 4% Germanic or so.

4% germanic??? Explain

[Proto-Shaman]

4% germanic??? Explain
because Germans are celtized Germanics. And most Germanic males died either of war and other conflicts. i.e. Germanic females in Germany are about 50% or so.

[mr. logan]

2 of the football players in the OP list are not turanid.

[sevruk]

2 of the football players in the OP list are not turanid.

Horst von Tyskland is not wrong!
http://img.championat.com/news/big/j/r/kholger-badshtuber_13401092171817197857q.jpg
http://2012ua.net/uploads/posts/2012-06/1338970643_news_photo_8.jpg

[Grizzly]

^^
Wouldn't he be considered Batlid if anything?

[Proto-Shaman]

Horst von Tyskland is not wrong!
http://img.championat.com/news/big/j/r/kholger-badshtuber_13401092171817197857q.jpg
http://2012ua.net/uploads/posts/2012-06/1338970643_news_photo_8.jpg
He is reminding me to a typical East Baltid individual (Homo arcticus Fennicus) with Lappoid influences. But mongoloid traits are clearly visible. and now fuck off troll

[Geminus]

because Germans are celtized Germanics. And most Germanic males died either of war and other conflicts. i.e. Germanic females in Germany are about 50% or so.

Lol I guess you have this bullshit from the iGENEA firm. They just declared specific haplogroups to be specific groups were they chose such meaningful names as "Phoenician" and also additionally to "Germanic" there is also the "Viking" group etc.
So this has absolutely no scientific background.
4 % of the German males are of Germanic background, this surely sounds legit :D

Here you can find a post of Agrippa about this:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-15346.html

[aherne]

There are no Germans of Turanid phenotype. Turkic invasions did not affect Central and Western Europe. All Turanids in modern Germany are ethnic Turks!

[Proto-Shaman]

There are no Germans of Turanid phenotype. Turkic invasions did not affect Central and Western Europe. All Turanids in modern Germany are ethnic Turks!
Turanid-Scythian (Andronovo/Karasuk/Tagar/Tashtyk-R1a1) occurrence in eastern & central Europe...

mtDNA:
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009Fig3.gif

yDNA:
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009Fig2.gif

[Kastrioti1443]

Turanid-Scythian (Andronovo/Karasuk/Tagar/Tashtyk-R1a1) occurrence in eastern & central Europe...

mtDNA:
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009Fig3.gif

yDNA:
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/KeyserDNASiberianKurgan2009Fig3.gif

so much in greece, how is that possible?

[Proto-Shaman]

so much in greece, how is that possible?
Scythian immigration, but only mtDNA

[Hodor]

so much in greece, how is that possible?

pseudo-science.

[Proto-Shaman]

is this thread a joke?
originally yes, but then it turned serious.

[Proto-Shaman]

pseudo-science.
hey troll! actually not:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19449030
http://www.hamagmongol.narod.ru/library/keyser_2009_e.pdf

[Shah-Jehan]

Heinrich Himmler
http://spiritualwarfare666.webs.com/Heinrich_Himmler.jpg

[Smeagol]

Heinrich Himmler
http://spiritualwarfare666.webs.com/Heinrich_Himmler.jpg

Alpine.

[Shah-Jehan]

Alpine.

I read somewhere he was called Heinrich the mongol by senior German officers because he had Turanid features like smaller eyes compared to other phenotypes...