Turkish Mongoloid DNA higher than I THOUGH.... there is correlation with Turkmen.

[ButlerKing]

It does seem that some part of Turkey are almost 1/2 Turkmen other parts are like 1/4 Turkmen or less.

Check this out.


Turkish Aydin

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rcdkNaYFICM/Tz1p4IcLlZI/AAAAAAAAEhs/En5H2fWIh68/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Turkish_Aydin_Ho_3.png


1 Sample 18.5% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 18% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 17% Mongoloid admixture
3 Sample 15% Mongoloid admixture

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1 Sample 13.7% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 13.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 12.5% Mongoloid admixture

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1 Sample 8% Mongoloid admixture
2 Sample 3.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 2.5% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 2% Mongoloid admixture
1 Sample 0% Mongoloid admixture



Turkish Instanbul

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j0NtK9KR6EM/Tz1ptIUKZqI/AAAAAAAAEhc/_yfGoWABFhs/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Turkish_Istanbul_Ho_3.png





2 Samples have 15% Mongoloid admixture
1 Samples have 13% Mongoloid admixture
2 Samples have 12.5% Mongoloid admixture

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1 Sample 8% Mongoloid admixture
2 Samples 6.8% Mongoloid admixture
9 Samples 4.5 - 6% Mongoloid admixture

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1 sample 0.5%

Turkish Kayseri
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QmgogpYSdKQ/Tz1pyfiiWAI/AAAAAAAAEhk/4EN13tRjIAw/s1600/ADMIXTURE+Turkish_Kayseri_Ho_3.png

3 Samples 12 - 13%
5 Samples 6-7% Mongoloid
10 Samples 4-5% Mongoloid
5 Samples 3.5% Mongoloid


NOW COMPARE THIS TO THE TURKMEN FROM TURKMENISTAN
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By the way, if I remember correctly the samples were from Southern parts of Turkmenistan Ashobat.

http://i48.tinypic.com/24y45xf.jpg

17 samples

2 samples : 31 - 31.5% Mongoloid
2 samples : 27.5 - 29% Mongoloid

4 out of 17 = 23% of Turkmen population

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1 sample : 23.5% Mongoloid
1 sample : 22.5% Mongoloid

2 out of 17 = 11% of Turkmen population

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11 samples : 13 - 18% Mongoloid

11 out of 17 = 64.7% of Turkmen population

[ButlerKing]

Turkish Aydin average 11.2% Mongoloid in average
Turkish Instanbul average 7.2% Mongoloid in average
Turkish Kayseri average 6.9% Mongoloid in average


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7iDFhUObtnE/Tz2ajf9okSI/AAAAAAAAEh8/rZDDQl3_KWA/s1600/K12b.jpg

[ButlerKing]

The average Turkmen is 16.5 % Mongoloid another showed 18.5%.

If we divide this than Aydin are slightly more than 1/2 Turkmen
Turkish instabul are between slightly less than 1/2 Turkmen to slightly more than 1/3 Turkmen
Kayseri would be between slightly 1/3 Turkmen to 1/4 Turkmen.

Than you also have to include a large number of those with only 2.5 - 4.5% which would make them less 1/4 to 1/5 Turkmen.

[Jackson]

Sounds interesting. It's important that you know the "Mongoloid" (Central Asian) percentage of the Turkmen already as yuo say - Otherwise you might read for example 6% Asian, and you might think aha 6% Turkmen, when if the Turkmen are (for example) 50%, then it would be more like 12%

Of course the numbers are different to this, was just using as an example. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[ButlerKing]

I read this from the Russian forum, don't know how true but according to them Northern and Eastern Turkmens are almost 1/3 to 1/2 mongoloid while southern and Western Turkmen are only 1/10 to 1/3 Mongoloid.

http://blog.treeinlodge.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/SSCN9866.jpg
http://turkmenabat.veppa.com/photos/i22.jpg

I selected the pictures from Turkmenabat.... maybe this explains why some Turkmen look like this.

http://www.satellitecitymaps.com/gfx/maps/big/tx-map.gif


It seems to be true

http://i46.tinypic.com/2nsqvbt.png

[ButlerKing]

Turkish people from Aydin, could there be signs of Mongoloid admixture in their appearance?

They look Caucasoid but something seems strange, I'm not sure if it's really the Mongoloid blood influence in their appearance.

http://users.eecs.northwestern.edu/~aydin/MNDL/People_files/aydin-koray1_4print_3x4.jpg
http://www.unicef.org/turkey/pc/img/dcd05_prs2.jpg

[Jackson]

Look like a cross between West Asians and Central Asians to me.

[ButlerKing]

This Turkish football player definitely has Mongoloid influence appearance.

http://www.galatasaray.org/images/sporcular/1/EmreGungor_B.jpg

[Sky earth]

Turkish people from Aydin, could there be signs of Mongoloid admixture in their appearance?

They look Caucasoid but something seems strange, I'm not sure if it's really the Mongoloid blood influence in their appearance.

http://users.eecs.northwestern.edu/~aydin/MNDL/People_files/aydin-koray1_4print_3x4.jpg
http://www.unicef.org/turkey/pc/img/dcd05_prs2.jpg

The girl has clearly Turanid infulence

[Dacul]

My respect for turks greatly increase after I saw these tests!

[ButlerKing]

Damn, I though Turkmen from the Ashgabat would look more like Turkish.... I was wrong

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070105/pb_061105_turkmenistan_birkett.photoblog900.jpg
http://stevebailes.org/Geog/Ch18Image/37AshgabatTurkmenistanSchoolkids.jpg

[Pecheneg]

My respect for turks greatly increase after I saw these tests!

Well this is not something new, Turks score %30 - %40-50 Turkmen admixture in autosomal dna.


A Turk from Aydın for instance;

[1,] "53.7% Greek_D + 46.3% Turkmens_Y" "2.9313"
[2,] "56.1% Ashkenazy_Jews + 43.9% Turkmens_Y" "3.7916"
[3,] "55.1% Ashkenazi_D + 44.9% Turkmens_Y" "4.2851"
[4,] "52.8% Sicilian_D + 47.2% Turkmens_Y" "4.8908"
[5,] "52.9% S_Italian_Sicilian_D + 47.1% Turkmens_Y" "4.9797"
[6,] "51.6% S_Italian_D + 48.4% Turkmens_Y" "5.0098"
[7,] "49% C_Italian_D + 51% Turkmens_Y" "5.4416"
[8,] "64.5% Ashkenazi_D + 35.5% Tajiks_Y" "5.4652"
[9,] "61.1% S_Italian_D + 38.9% Tajiks_Y" "5.6985"
[10,] "65.6% Ashkenazy_Jews + 34.4% Tajiks_Y" "5.7723"

[ButlerKing]

More Turkmen people from Ashgobat the capital city of Turkmenistan.

http://www.abqjournal.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/f01_jd_20jan_4turk.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6093/6336923090_20d42cbcf2_z.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Well this is not something new, Turks score %30 - %40-50 Turkmen admixture in autosomal dna.


A Turk from Aydın for instance;

[1,] "53.7% Greek_D + 46.3% Turkmens_Y" "2.9313"
[2,] "56.1% Ashkenazy_Jews + 43.9% Turkmens_Y" "3.7916"
[3,] "55.1% Ashkenazi_D + 44.9% Turkmens_Y" "4.2851"
[4,] "52.8% Sicilian_D + 47.2% Turkmens_Y" "4.8908"
[5,] "52.9% S_Italian_Sicilian_D + 47.1% Turkmens_Y" "4.9797"
[6,] "51.6% S_Italian_D + 48.4% Turkmens_Y" "5.0098"
[7,] "49% C_Italian_D + 51% Turkmens_Y" "5.4416"
[8,] "64.5% Ashkenazi_D + 35.5% Tajiks_Y" "5.4652"
[9,] "61.1% S_Italian_D + 38.9% Tajiks_Y" "5.6985"
[10,] "65.6% Ashkenazy_Jews + 34.4% Tajiks_Y" "5.7723"

Well no doubt the Aydin Turkish are 40-50% Turkmen. The problem lies now can they considered racially Turkmen?

You see Turkmens are closer to Caucasian but they have 2x to 3x the portion of Mongoloid blood than Turkish people and many do look heavily Mongoloid in their appearance.


They are the genetic descendants of Turkmens but not physical descendants, do you agree with this?

[hesh]

Turkish people from Aydin, could there be signs of Mongoloid admixture in their appearance?

They look Caucasoid but something seems strange, I'm not sure if it's really the Mongoloid blood influence in their appearance.

http://users.eecs.northwestern.edu/~aydin/MNDL/People_files/aydin-koray1_4print_3x4.jpg
http://www.unicef.org/turkey/pc/img/dcd05_prs2.jpg


Those two look to have high mongoloid admixture.

[Pecheneg]

Sounds interesting. It's important that you know the "Mongoloid" (Central Asian) percentage of the Turkmen already as yuo say - Otherwise you might read for example 6% Asian, and you might think aha 6% Turkmen, when if the Turkmen are (for example) 50%, then it would be more like 12%

This is a very common mistake in anthropology forums, people imagine 100% mongoloids when they hear "central asian" or "Turkmen", but in fact Turkmens have 16-17% mongoloid admixture which is actually only 2 or 3 times more than Turkish average (=7% mongoloid).;



Those two look to have high mongoloid admixture.
Some Turkish celebrities who have clear asian influence;


http://i50.tinypic.com/2zyitkg.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/nffqrs.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/1zpmde1.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/35iralv.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/32zj668.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/zslo3r.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/kdae1h.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/3501lhu.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2e4vqqc.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2llygky.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/2hyxpbp.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/1zq5085.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/27y0t4o.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/34pxnxi.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Damn, so many Turkish with Mongoloid features, though not that strong you can definitely see their not Pure Caucasians.

[Jackson]

This is a very common mistake in anthropology forums, people imagine 100% mongoloids when they hear "central asian" or "Turkmen", but in fact Turkmens have 16-17% mongoloid admixture which is actually only 2 or 3 times more than Turkish average (=7% mongoloid).;


Yep exactly. I find it astounding sometimes that people often look over things like that, everything is relative in this circumstance.

[ButlerKing]

Yep exactly. I find it astounding sometimes that people often look over things like that, everything is relative in this circumstance.

Properly because they google and saw these pictures in the first page and assume all Turkmen look like this.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-AN901_Turkme_DV_20081207213332.jpg
http://www.tourstouzbekistan.com/uploads/albums/photogallery/turkmen-children.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Mongoloid influenced Turkish actor for sure.

http://content6.flixster.com/poll/21/52/215212_std.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Turkish actress
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201210/n_32032_4.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Another Turkish with some a look.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TLrf-8Ag7gE/0.jpg

[TheMagnificent]

Seriously, why are you so obsessed with Turks?

[ButlerKing]

Seriously, why are you so obsessed with Turks?

I find their history interesting. I guess you can say the claims of what Armenians, Arabs, Greeks, Persians claimed about the turks fascinate me now I'm here to confirm it and show it to everyone.

[Hoca]

I find their history interesting. I guess you can say the claims of what Armenians, Arabs, Greeks, Persians claimed about the turks fascinate me now I'm here to confirm it and show it to everyone.

Unless you are studying genetics this is very weird. You are probably a 40 year old dude googling pictures of random people, doing god knows what

[ButlerKing]

Unless you are studying genetics this is very weird. You are probably a 40 year old dude googling pictures of random people, doing god knows what

That's a lot of assumptions.

I'm doing what I like just like what you're doing. I'm interesting in the genetic history of Turks.

[Su]

@OP

GOOD MORNING!!!!!!!!!

[ButlerKing]

The Turkish women on the left is very odd looking, her looks cannot simply be described as Caucasoid.
http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Eric_B/turkish-women.jpg

[Su]

^She looks normal, I would guess her from Eastern region of Turkey or Central Anatolia. The sun light is coming into her eyes, that's why she looks uneasy on the picture.

[ButlerKing]

^She looks normal, I would guess her from Eastern region of Turkey or Central Anatolia. The sun light is coming into her eyes, that's why she looks uneasy on the picture.

Well so is the women on the right yet you don't see anything strange about her.

[teodor11]

This Turkish football player definitely has Mongoloid influence appearance.

http://www.galatasaray.org/images/sporcular/1/EmreGungor_B.jpg

nodaways, more 2 million crimean turks (tatar) living turkey.. and these photos people immigrants caucasus are.. (deported the stalin)

[Smeagol]

The Turks are less Mongoloid than I thought.

[ButlerKing]

The Turks are less Mongoloid than I thought.


Yakuts and other Siberian Turkic tribes are 95-100% Mongoloid

Altay 75-77% Mongoloid

Kazakh, Kyrgyz 70-71% Mongoloid

Uyghurs, Uzbeks 43-48% Mongoloid

Turkmen 13-33% Mongoloid but other part of Turkmenistan are 18-51% Mongoloid.

Turkish are 2.5 - 18.5% Mongoloid.

[Smeagol]

Turkish are 2.5 - 18.5% Mongoloid.

Yeah, I thought it was 5% - 25%.