Duplicate Regions Of Europe, Why?

[Anglojew]

One interesting feature of European geography is the many regions with duplicate names as other regions of Europe. Some like Serbja (Sorbia) and Serbia are due to historical migrations and ethno-cultural links. Some like the Caucasus Iberia and Albania seem to have no links between them and their modern equivalents, although some theories state otherwise, and seem to be named at the whim of classical geographists and cartographers .

Sorbia

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Migration to Serbia

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The two Galicia's, named after Celtic tribes

Spanish Galicia

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Eastern European Galicia

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Please post other examples and explanations.

[Anglojew]

Other examples;

Bretagne (Brittany); the reason Britain is called "Great" to distinguish it from "Little Britain".

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Volga Bulgaria (The original homeland of the Bulgaria);

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[Methmatician]

Serbja means Sorbs, not Serbia. They call their 'country' Lusatia.

[Anglojew]

Serbja means Sorbs, not Serbia. They call their 'country' Lusatia.

They don't; Upper Sorbian: Serbja; Lower Sorbian: Serby

[Anglojew]

Caucasus Albania and Iberia;

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[Crn Volk]

Why not?

Greek Macedonia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/PosGreekMacedonia.png/250px-PosGreekMacedonia.png

Republic of Macedonia

http://www.migrationheritage.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/tieswithtradition/images/macedonia-map.jpg

[Anglojew]

Why not?

Greek Macedonia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/PosGreekMacedonia.png/250px-PosGreekMacedonia.png

Republic of Macedonia

http://www.migrationheritage.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/tieswithtradition/images/macedonia-map.jpg

That's a good one, although I guess it's one region divided between two countries.

[Crn Volk]

Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland;

http://www.mooseman.de/pics/maps/map_ireland_overview.gif

[Anglojew]

Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland;

http://www.mooseman.de/pics/maps/map_ireland_overview.gif

It's again one region divided between two countries rather than two different regions with the same name.

[Methmatician]

They don't; Upper Sorbian: Serbja; Lower Sorbian: Serby

Yes, Upper Sorbs call themselves "Serbja" and Lower Sorbs call themselves "Serby". But their region is called "Luzyca" (Lusatia).

[Anglojew]

Yes, Upper Sorbs call themselves "Serbja" and Lower Sorbs call themselves "Serby". But their region is called "Luzyca" (Lusatia).

Anyway, they're a good example of a duplicate "nation" similar to the two Bulgarias.

[alfieb]

http://www.farm-holidays-sicily.com/images/RG.gif
Region of Ragusa in Sicily

http://www.braniteljski-portal.hr/files/wimage/dubrovnik-karta-101.jpg
Region of Ragusa in Croatia

[Anglojew]

http://www.farm-holidays-sicily.com/images/RG.gif
Region of Ragusa in Sicily

http://www.braniteljski-portal.hr/files/wimage/dubrovnik-karta-101.jpg
Region of Ragusa in Croatia

Thanks, that's one I've never heard of. Is there any historical connection between the two?

[Anglojew]

Not in Europe but the two Tripoli's are sometimes confusing;

Lebanon;

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Libya;

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[alfieb]

Thanks, that's one I've never heard of. Is there any historical connection between the two?

Nope. Only shared Greek and Roman heritage.

[Crn Volk]

Brittany in France vs Britain?

[Sikeliot]

Messina and Messinia.

http://maps.pickatrail.com/europe/greece/map/messinia.gif

http://maps.pickatrail.com/europe/italy/map/messina.gif

[Anglojew]

Nope. Only shared Greek and Roman heritage.

Interesting. I guess Romania could be included in this thread as a colony of Rome.

[alfieb]

Well, the reason for Messina is that ours was named after theirs.

[Sikeliot]

Well, the reason for Messina is that ours was named after theirs.

Both were originally just called "Messene" too.

[Anglojew]

Must be a nightmare of European postmen.

[Crn Volk]

Other examples;

Bretagne (Brittany); the reason Britain is called "Great" to distinguish it from "Little Britain".

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Volga Bulgaria (The original homeland of the Bulgaria);

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Actually Volga Bulgaria is called Tatarstan these days

[Anglojew]

A lot of those were colonies named after the original homeland, If we expand outside Europe there's many examples, for instance at least two "New Englands";

Australia

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USA

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[Crn Volk]

A lot of those were colonies named after the original homeland, If we expand outside Europe there's many examples, for instance at least two "New Englands";

Australia

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USA

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New Holland, New Zealand, New York, New Mexico...the list is many in the New World

[alfieb]

http://www.cartesfrance.fr/carte-commune/51/51108/carte-administrative-lambert-departements-Chalons-en-Champagne.jpg

Chalons - in Latin, it is known as Catalaunum

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Localitzaci%C3%B3_de_la_CA_de_Catalunya.png

Catalaunia in Latin

[Anglojew]

http://www.cartesfrance.fr/carte-commune/51/51108/carte-administrative-lambert-departements-Chalons-en-Champagne.jpg

Chalons - in Latin, it is known as Catalaunum

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Localitzaci%C3%B3_de_la_CA_de_Catalunya.png

Catalaunia in Latin

Nice one.

[Anglojew]

New Holland, New Zealand, New York, New Mexico...the list is many in the New World

Yeah. I've always found it interesting when New World cities outgrow their Old World namesakes. It's even more interesting (to me) when they don't have the word "New" in front. A good example is Perth, Australia being far larger than Perth, Scotland.

[alfieb]

Yeah. I've always found it interesting when New World cities outgrow their Old World namesakes. It's even more interesting (to me) when they don't have the word "New" in front. A good example is Perth, Australia being far larger than Perth, Scotland.
Same for us. Syracuse, New York has a slightly larger population than Syracuse, Sicily.

[amerinese]

Slovakia:

http://images.nationmaster.com/images/motw/europe/slovakia_map.jpg

Slovak, Arkansas:

http://orthodoxhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Slovak-AR-sign-from-Mickey-Hodges.jpg

http://www.topozone.com/map_get.asp?z=15&e=629943.722570107&n=3835001.73505914

[rashka]

Some like Serbja (Sorbia) and Serbia are due to historical migrations and ethno-cultural links.
Sorbia

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Migration to Serbia

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Serbja means Sorbs, not Serbia. They call their 'country' Lusatia.
They don't; Upper Sorbian: Serbja; Lower Sorbian: Serby

Yes, Upper Sorbs call themselves "Serbja" and Lower Sorbs call themselves "Serby". But their region is called "Luzyca" (Lusatia).

Of course there's a connection! Serbia and Czech also have the term Luzicka and there is a Serbian city called Užička/Uzica. Sorbian language in their language is Serbski/Serbsce.


"The relationship between the Sorbs and the Serbs


The mythical King of White Serbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Serbia) (also known as Bojka, Boika, Boii), 6th century, was succeeded by two sons, one of them was the The Unknown Archont (Nepoznati Knez) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_Archont), the other according to the historical timeline, the ruler of the Serbs/Sorbs, Knez Dervan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervan). Not more is known about him."

"According to the historical and archeological data present at time, Serbs and Sorbs (South and North Serbs), were around 1400 years ago the same Polabian Slavic tribe." "The southern Serbs, on the other hand, conquered and assimilated lesser Slavic tribes.."

[Methmatician]

Of course there's a connection! Serbia and Czech also have the term Luzicka and there is a Serbian city called Užička. Sorbian language in their language is Serbski/Serbsce.

This isn't about the connection between Sorbs and Serbs, it was about the name of their region. We already know these two groups are connected.

[Methmatician]

Biograd in Croatia, and Beograd in Serbia. Both mean "White city".

[rashka]

Biograd in Croatia, and Beograd in Serbia. Both mean "White city".
And add to that the Russian city of Belgorod IPA: [ˈbʲelgərət] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Russian)), located on the Seversky Donets River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seversky_Donets_River) just 40 kilometers (25 mi) north of the Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine) border.

[Methmatician]

And add to that the Russian city of Belgorod IPA: [ˈbʲelgərət] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Russian)), located on the Seversky Donets River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seversky_Donets_River) just 40 kilometers (25 mi) north of the Ukrainian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine) border.

Also Bilhorod in Southern Ukraine and Bialogrod in Poland.

[alfieb]

Zealand in Denmark (Sjaelland), and Zeeland in The Netherlands, both mean Sea-land.

[rashka]

These 2 cities are right across from each other:
Montenegro: Bar
Italy: Bari

"In Montenegrin, the town is known as Bar (Бар), in Italian and Greek as Antivari. The name "Antivari" comes from Bar's position opposite (anti) Bari, Italy across the Adriatic; the name Bar is a shortened version."

In Albanian the town is called Tivari. Another good example of how they misinterpret and distort original meanings of Indo-European words when they borrow them.

[Crn Volk]

That's a good one, although I guess it's one region divided between two countries.

It seems the Greeks have their work cut out for them, convincing the world 'Macedonia is Greek';);

Macedônia, São Paulo, Brazil

Macedonia, Ciacova, Romania

In the United States;
Macedonia, Alabama
Macedonia, Georgia
Macedonia, Illinois
Macedonia, Indiana
Macedonia, Iowa
Macedonia, now Tinton Falls, New Jersey
Macedonia, Ohio
Macedonia, South Carolina
Macedonia, Tennessee
Macedonia, Virginia

[alfieb]

It seems the Greeks have their work cut out for them, convincing the world 'Macedonia is Greek';);

They're all named in tribute, after the real Macedonia, the region in Greece.

A century ago, the capital of FYROM was in Kosovo.

[Crn Volk]

They're all named in tribute, after the real Macedonia, the region in Greece.

A century ago, the capital of FYROM was in Kosovo.

No. it was in the Kingdom of Serbia. A year before that, it was in the Ottoman Empire. Kosovo is Serbia.

[alfieb]

No. it was in the Kingdom of Serbia. A year before that, it was in the Ottoman Empire. Kosovo is Serbia.

2013-100=1913

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Vilayet

Capital of Kosovo Vilayet was Skopje
Capital of FYROM is Skopje

If you want to steal someone's name, why not steal Kosovo's? Your lands were part of Kosovo more recently than ancient Macedonia.

[Crn Volk]

2013-100=1913

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Vilayet

Capital of Kosovo Vilayet was Skopje
Capital of FYROM is Skopje

If you want to steal someone's name, why not steal Kosovo's? Your lands were part of Kosovo more recently than ancient Macedonia.

Kosovo Vilayet was in the Ottoman Empire you fool.

Serbia in 1913 (ie. 100 years ago as you said)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Serbia1913.png/436px-Serbia1913.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Serbia

Besides, Macedonia was divided into three Vilayets;

Kosovo as you say, but also Bitola/Manastir and Salonika;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manastir_Vilayet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salonica_Vilayet

[alfieb]

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Uskub

From an 100 year old encyclopedia:


USKUB, UscnP, or Skopia (anc. Scupi, Turk. Ushkiib, Sla y. Skoplye), the capital of the vilayet of Kossovo, European Turkey; on the left bank of the river Vardar, and at the junction of the railways from Nish and Mitrovitza to Salonica. Pop. (1905) about 32,000, consisting chiefly of Slays (Serbs and Bulgars), Turks, Albanians and a few gipsies.

[lI]

Two Lietuvas, no historical connection, both places just happened to be called after the nearby rivers which in turn had their names derived from Indo-European root for "flow, pour" lēi-

1. Lithuania (in Lithuanian: "Lietuva", from a brook Lietuva/Lietava)

2. Lietava, a village in Slovakia (Old names: Litova, Letava, Lethawa)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3931/2lietuvos.png

[Crn Volk]

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Uskub

From an 100 year old encyclopedia:

And what about Bitola and Salonika Vilayets?

Also, are you saying the Serbian map of 100 years ago is wrong? Under the Treaty of London 1913, most of today's R.Macedonia was part of the Kingdom of Serbia. But I guess the Treaty of London is not good enough evidence for you?? Perhaps get an education before commenting, or stick to your own business. You just look like a fool.

[alfieb]

Munster region in Ireland and Munster region in Germany.

http://www.irishclub.org/images/IRELAND-MAP.jpg

http://www.firmendb.de/grafik/karten/regierungsbezirke/Muenster.png

[Yes, I'm aware that it's spelled Münster. There are also towns in Germany with that name that spell it without an umlaut.]

[Sikeliot]

Isn't there somewhere called "Cologne" in both Germany and France ?

[alfieb]

Also, are you saying the Serbian map of 100 years ago is wrong? Under the Treaty of London 1913, most of today's R.Macedonia was part of the Kingdom of Serbia. But I guess the Treaty of London is not good enough evidence for you?? Perhaps get an education before commenting, or stick to your own business. You just look like a fool.

I never said that it didn't become part of Serbia. What I said was that 100 years ago, it was the capital of Kosovo.

[Crn Volk]

I never said that it didn't become part of Serbia. What I said was that 100 years ago, it was the capital of Kosovo.

Again, 100 years ago it was part of Serbia. 101 years ago it was part of the Ottoman Empire. Kosovo Vilayet was not an independent state. Is this sinking in?

[alfieb]

Again, 100 years ago it was part of Serbia. 101 years ago it was part of the Ottoman Empire. Kosovo Vilayet was not an independent state. Is this sinking in?
If you want to be technical (on top of an idiot, since you're arguing about trivialities), it was part of Ottoman Vilayet of Kosovo 100 years ago, because the Treaty of London wasn't signed until the end of May, 1913.

But whether it's 99, 100, 105, or 111 years ago is irrelevant. The point is that your capital was the capital of Kosovo a century ago and it was never the capital of the real Macedonia. Fyromians need their own identity.

[Crn Volk]

If you want to be technical (on top of an idiot, since you're arguing about trivialities), it was part of Ottoman Vilayet of Kosovo 100 years ago, because the Treaty of London wasn't signed until the end of May, 1913.

But whether it's 99, 100, 105, or 111 years ago is irrelevant. The point is that your capital was the capital of Kosovo a century ago and it was never the capital of the real Macedonia. Fyromians need their own identity.

Well it's the capital of the Republic of Macedonia today, as recognized by the majority of the world, whether you like it or not.

[alfieb]

Well it's the capital of the Republic of Macedonia today, as recognized by the majority of the world, whether you like it or not.
I recognize it was the capital of your country, too, just as it was the capital of Kosovo.

But you're not Macedonians any more than you are Kosovar.. You can call yourselves Martians for all I care, it doesn't make it so.

[Qemist]

Must be a nightmare of European postmen.

I can remember when I was in correspondence with a German my mail would sometimes come via Salzburg. My Australian postcode, 5072, corresponded to a suburb of Salzburg, Austria.

[Anglojew]

I recognize it was the capital of your country, too, just as it was the capital of Kosovo.

But you're not Macedonians any more than you are Kosovar.. You can call yourselves Martians for all I care, it doesn't make it so.


I can remember when I was in correspondence with a German my mail would sometimes come via Salzburg. My Australian postcode, 5072, corresponded to a suburb of Salzburg, Austria.

That's really funny. Apparently Chinese tourists come to Austria and ask to see kangaroos.

[Novi Pazar]

These 2 cities are right across from each other:
Montenegro: Bar
Italy: Bari

"In Montenegrin, the town is known as Bar (Бар), in Italian and Greek as Antivari. The name "Antivari" comes from Bar's position opposite (anti) Bari, Italy across the Adriatic; the name Bar is a shortened version."

In Albanian the town is called Tivari. Another good example of how they misinterpret and distort original meanings of Indo-European words when they borrow them.

This is really interesting Rashka, it's true in everyway you say shqiptars do misinterpret words according to hearing them wrongly, Moter = sister, not mother etc.....

[member]

Mariajmpolė in Lithuania

After the disaster the wife of contemporary starost of Prienai, Franciszka Szczukowa née Butler, financed a new church and a monastery for the Congregation of Marian Fathers.[2] Following the foundation of the monastery, a new town was built in the area. It was named Maryampol, after the Blessed Virgin Mary (Marya-), with the suffix -pol denoting a town

Marijampol in Ukraine

Unlike other cities, the toponym "Mariyampil" has a well-defined etymology. The name derives from the Christian name Mary. Based on the folk legend (from the book "Культурні грона Дністра", Kul'turni groda Dnistra), during the time of the Tatar raids, the Polish leader (wojewoda), Kaietan was fleeing the Tatars on his horse. Having crossed the Dnister, this horse could not jump onto the bank. Despairing of being caught by the Tatars, Kaietan yelled "Jesus-Maryja" and the horse carried him to dry land. In thanks giving to God, Kaietan founded on the either bank of the river, the cities of Jesupol, in honour of Jesus and Marijampol, in honour of Mary, the Mother of God. Most researchers believe that this settlement was named by the hetman of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Stanisław Jan Jabłonowski. The Polish researcher W. Urban found in the ancient documents of the parish of Marijampil that in 1691, the town of Božyj Vydok was renamed as Marijampol by Stanislaw Jablonowski. This name was chosen since this hetman brought to the town the miraculous icon of "Our Lady of the Knight" ("Рицарської Богоматерi", Ritsars'koi Bogomateri) that had followed him in all his military campaigns, especially his campaign in defence of Vienna in 1683. Around 1694, the neighbouring town in honour of Jesus was named "Jesupil". In 1946, after the Western oblasts of Ukraine were reestablished as part of the Soviet Union, Marijampol was renamed Marynopil. In 2003, after a townwide referendum, the town administration decided to return to its historic name of Mariyampil (Ukrainian version of Polish name). In February 2004, this was confirmed by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

Name variations include Marinopol', Marijampol, Mariyampol', Marynopil, Mar'yampol', Mar'yampol.

http://i46.tinypic.com/deagk1.jpg


There was a fashion among Polish nobles to include pol (that means "city" in Latin or Greek) in town names.

[Crn Volk]

I recognize it was the capital of your country, too, just as it was the capital of Kosovo.

But you're not Macedonians any more than you are Kosovar.. You can call yourselves Martians for all I care, it doesn't make it so.

and who gives a fuck what you care about. now concentrate on sicily and let the grown ups talk.

[alfieb]

and who gives a fuck what you care about. now concentrate on sicily and let the grown ups talk.
Grown ups? Your ethnogenesis was 1991. Mine was 1130/1282. Sit down, son.

You said "whether I like it or not", so I expanded on that.

[Empecinado]

Bretagne (France region)

Bretoña (Spanish town)

But has a explanation. Some Britons exiled from the Anglo-Saxon invasion and settled there (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britonia):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Britonia6hcentury.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VqWNiJN6x48/TQilKZ151cI/AAAAAAAAAAM/Tkj9xXWB54M/s1600/cartel+de+breto%25C3%25B1a.jpg

[Crn Volk]

Grown ups? Your ethnogenesis was 1991. Mine was 1130/1282. Sit down, son.

You said "whether I like it or not", so I expanded on that.

So are you sicilian or italian?

[alfieb]

So are you sicilian or italian?
Italian citizen. Ethnically and culturally Sicilian. Sicily is an autonomous region, but does not issue its own passports.

[Crn Volk]

all italians are the same though right?

[alfieb]

all italians are the same though right?
No more than all South Slavs are. Are you a Kosovar? Are you a Serb?

[Crn Volk]

No more than all South Slavs are. Are you a Kosovar? Are you a Serb?

So, you wish for Sicilian independence? What is that flag on your sig?

[alfieb]

So, you wish for Sicilian independence? What is that flag on your sig?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_the_Independence_of_Sicily

[Pretan]

A good example I know is a town that I go through on my way to university.

The town of Wales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales,_South_Yorkshire), which shares the same name as the country of Wales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales).

Obvious connection is obvious.

[Crn Volk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_the_Independence_of_Sicily

So you wish for your own 1991. Until then, you are italian.

[alfieb]

So you wish for your own 1991. Until then, you are italian.
No. We had our own country for many, many years. There was never a Slavomacedonian country until 1991.

[Crn Volk]

No. We had our own country for many, many years. There was never a Slavomacedonian country until 1991.

Actually, the Socialist Republic of Macedonia was formed in 1945

[alfieb]

Actually, the Socialist Republic of Macedonia was formed in 1945
Temporary. It was part of Yugoslavia from 1946.

[Crn Volk]

Temporary. It was part of Yugoslavia from 1946.

True, much like Sicily is part of Italy. Although we were a republic, with much greater autonomy than Sicily.

[alfieb]

You were part of Yugoslavia and the Croat Tito was your dictator, you weren't a real Republic, but a phony Socialist Republic.

At least Sicily had/have its own President and Parliament and paid no tax to Rome, and we don't have to borrow from another civilization's identity. :)

[Crn Volk]

You were part of Yugoslavia and the Croat Tito was your dictator, you weren't a real Republic, but a phony Socialist Republic.

At least Sicily had/have its own President and Parliament and paid no tax to Rome, and we don't have to borrow from another civilization's identity. :)

No worries Italian. No such thing as Sicily. Just a region of Italy.

[alfieb]

And Macedonia is a region of Greece. Thessalonica is your capital. Skopje is the capital of Kosovo.

Circular arguments are silly. We will not agree. :)

[lI]

Brest, Belarus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_Belarus) (present-day name of Brest-Litovsk)
Brest, France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_France) (second military port of France, home-base of the French ballistic missile submarines)
Brest, Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_Germany)
Brest (Chucher Sandevo) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest_(Chucher_Sandevo)), Macedonia
Brest (Makedonski Brod) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest_(Makedonski_Brod)), Macedonia
Brest (Štip) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest_(%C5%A0tip)), Macedonia

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9361/5brests.png

[Anglojew]

Brest, Belarus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_Belarus) (present-day name of Brest-Litovsk)
Brest, France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_France) (second military port of France, home-base of the French ballistic missile submarines)
Brest, Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_Germany)
Brest (Chucher Sandevo) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest_(Chucher_Sandevo)), Macedonia
Brest (Makedonski Brod) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest_(Makedonski_Brod)), Macedonia
Brest (Štip) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest_(%C5%A0tip)), Macedonia

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9361/5brests.png

There's a breast joke there somewhere

[alfieb]

There's a breast joke there somewhere
FYROM has three Brests. They should have that checked by a doctor.

[lI]

There's a breast joke there somewhere
"Everyone judges others according to one's own degree of delinquency" :p

I knew that there was a town Brest in Belarus because that was the only place my maternal grandmother has ever visited outside of Lithuania. I found out about the Brest in France from le penalty's post (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?2925-Post-your-accent-thread&p=1354835&viewfull=1#post1354835).

Apparently, there even used to be an expression "Europe from Brest to Brest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_France)" referring to the French & Belarussian towns. I guess it means that Belarus itself (as well as the rest of East Europe) didn't count as "Europe" back then.

[rashka]

In Serbia this means Elm tree and has the following city names:

Brestač
Brestovac (there are about 8 cities containing this name)
Brestovačka Banja
Brestovik


In Romania: Brestovăț

[lI]

In Lithuanian Brasta (http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasta) means "a ford" (a shallow place with good footing where a river or stream may be crossed) - that's also one of the most common theories for the origin of the Belarusian Brest.


There are three villages named Brasta in LT:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7322/3brastoslt.png


P.s. you can also see Latvian Malta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_parish) in the top right corner of the map:naughty:

[curiousman]

Bohemia and Bologna (Italy), both from the name of a Celtic tribe.

[iNird]

Albany, NY
Albania

Then

Alban hills of Rome, Italy
Alban, Tarn, France
Alban, Wisconsin, USA, a town
Alban (community), Wisconsin, USA, an unincorporated community
Alban, Ontario, Canada
Albán, Colombia
Albán, Cundinamarca, Colombia
St Albans or Saint Albans (including variations in punctuation) is a placename in several countries, ultimately derived from the name of the Saint, Alban:

:p

[inactive_member]

In Lithuanian Brasta (http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasta) means "a ford" (a shallow place with good footing where a river or stream may be crossed) - that's also one of the most common theories for the origin of the Belarusian Brest.

Brest is known for its famous ford but I didn't know about Brasta theory. The old name of the city was Berest’e derived from the word Beresta according to several historical chronicles some of which are dated to the 11th century. Beresta is birch-bark in English. :)

http://zagorodde.na.by/govor8_1.html
http://slovari.yandex.ru/~%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8/%D0%91%D0%A1%D0%AD/%D0%91%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%20%28%D0%B3%D0%BE%D 1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%29/

[lI]

The old name of the city was Berest’e derived from the word Beresta according to several historical chronicles. Beresta is birch-bark in English.

http://slovari.yandex.ru/~%D0%BA%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8/%D0%91%D0%A1%D0%AD/%D0%91%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%20%28%D0%B3%D0%BE%D 1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%29/c
Interesting. The reason why I wrote that brasta "a ford" is one of the most common theories for the origin of the Belarusian Brest is simply because that's what was written here:
There are several theories of the city name origin. The most common are as follows:

the name of the city comes from the Slavic root beresta meaning birch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch), bark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bark),
the name of the city comes from the Slavic root berest meaning elm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm),
the name of the city comes from the Lithuanian word brasta meaning ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_(crossing)).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_Belarus#City_name

I guess what makes the issue debatable is that those chronicles were written by third parties who happened to be Slavic speaking, isn't it?
It's curious that the founding story cited in Russian wiki (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82#.D0.9F.D1.80.D0.BE. D0.B8.D1.81.D1.85.D0.BE.D0.B6.D0.B4.D0.B5.D0.BD.D0 .B8.D0.B5_.D0.BD.D0.B0.D0.B7.D0.B2.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0. B8.D1.8F) features both birches and the making of a ford.

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Interesting. The reason why I wrote that brasta "a ford" is one of the most common theories for the origin of the Belarusian Brest is simply because that's what was written here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brest,_Belarus#City_name

I guess what makes the issue debatable is that those chronicles were written by third parties who happened to be Slavic speaking, isn't it?
It's curious that the founding story cited in Russian wiki (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82#.D0.9F.D1.80.D0.BE. D0.B8.D1.81.D1.85.D0.BE.D0.B6.D0.B4.D0.B5.D0.BD.D0 .B8.D0.B5_.D0.BD.D0.B0.D0.B7.D0.B2.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0. B8.D1.8F) features both birches and the making of a ford.

The city was mentioned three times in 11th century by third parties . Locals of the region were calling the city Berest’e according to 16th century historical document. There is a legend recorded in 19th century by a traveller about Brest being called Berest’e when it was founded . An old song was recorded in Polessie in 1950s in which Brest was called Berys’t’ in Polessian dialect.

Wiki references Encyclopedia Lituanica in regards to word Brasta. It'd be interesting to know why the authors of encyclopedia linked the name Brest to Lithuanian word Brasta.

PS The discussion is off-topic.

[Mikula]

Morava - rivers in Czechia and at Serbia. In Czech language term Morava means also Moravia - eastern part of Czech country, named after the mentioned river.

[lI]

Thrace (demonym Thracian; Ancient Greek: Θρᾴκη, Thrāikē; modern Greek: Θράκη, Thráki; Bulgarian: Тракия, Trakiya; Turkish: Trakya) is a historical and geographic area in southeast Europe, centered on the modern borders of Bulgaria, Greece, and Turkey.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Thrace_and_present-day_state_borderlines.png



TRAKAI is a historic city and lake resort in Lithuania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania).
The name of the town was first recorded in 1337 chronicles in German as Tracken (later also used spelling Traken) and is derived from the Lithuanian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_language) word trakai (singular: trakas meaning a glade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glade_%28geography%29)).
http://www.sec-tools.net/images/trakai_map_communities.jpg

[aimar]

Estremadura, Portugal
http://www.saboresdeportugal.com.br/imagens/Fotos_Regioes/Estremadura/estremadura.gif

Extremadura, Espanha
http://i0.statig.com.br/canais/comida/pelo-mundo/images/extremadura.gif

Viseu, city in Portugal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viseu
Viseu, river in Romania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vişeu_River

[Empecinado]

Estremadura, Portugal
http://www.saboresdeportugal.com.br/imagens/Fotos_Regioes/Estremadura/estremadura.gif

Extremadura, Espanha
http://i0.statig.com.br/canais/comida/pelo-mundo/images/extremadura.gif

Extremadura was the name used in Middle Ages to refer to the border areas with the Moorish lands, that's why there were at least 3 Extremaduras: the Portuguese (Estremadura), the Castilian (located in Soria province) and the Leonese (Extremadura).

[Trun]

Volga Bulgaria (The original homeland of the Bulgaria);

28351

No, it's not. It was just one of the Bulgarian Khanates.

[Graham]

Albany, NY
Albania

Then

Alban hills of Rome, Italy
Alban, Tarn, France
Alban, Wisconsin, USA, a town
Alban (community), Wisconsin, USA, an unincorporated community
Alban, Ontario, Canada
Albán, Colombia
Albán, Cundinamarca, Colombia
St Albans or Saint Albans (including variations in punctuation) is a placename in several countries, ultimately derived from the name of the Saint, Alban:

:p

Some were named after the Duke of Albany.

Or the old name for Scotland. Alban. Or Gaelic Alba
http://static.blipfotos.com/uploads/56596/2011/3513824294e0796a3e37fd6.18673617.jpeg

[Graham]

In Poland. A Pole posted it on the Scots part of another forum from his region.

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