The mental characteristics of the Dinarid race by Hans Günther

[Corvus]

The members of this race are characterized by a rough strength and downrightness,
by a peculiar trustworthiness, by a feeling for honour and love of the home, by
bravery and a certain self-consciousness.
It is these attributes which in the Great War made those men on both sides who
came from predominantly Dinaric districts the best fighters on the south-eastern
front. It is the Dinaric blood that makes the difference between the nature of the
Bavarian and the North-German, and gives rise to the self-consciousness of South-
German and Austrian Alpine districts.

The Dinaric man is characterized by a warm feeling for nature, a strong love of the
home, and a spirit of creativeness in fashioning the surroundings to be the ordered
expression of himself in houses, implements, customs, and forms of speech. He does
not, however, turn his gifts so much to the vaster undertakings, to leadership in the
most varied spheres of life, or to restless progress and strenuous competition. He
lives more in the present than does the provident, foreseeing Nordic. The boldness of
the Dinaric is rather one of bodily achievements; a real spiritual urge to conquest,
such as often characterizes Nordic men, seems to be rarer. Characteristic of the
Dinaric is an inclination to sudden outbursts, to quick anger, and to combativeness -
- characteristics, however, which but stand out from the general level of a
disposition that is on the whole good-tempered, cheerful, and friendly. But it is not
mere chance that the predominantly Dinaric south-east of the German-speaking
area (like the East with its East Baltic strain) is marked by a particularly high
percentage of convictions for dangerous bodily wounding, and in general by a
relatively high percentage of criminal convictions.

The Dinaric nature has a range of development decidedly narrower in every
direction than that of the Nordic. The signs are wanting of any great mental
acumen, or of stern determination. The spiritual outlook is narrower, though the
will may be as strong. On the whole the Dinaric race represents a stock which is not
seldom somewhat uncouth, with a rough cheerfulness, or even wit, and is easily
stirred to enthusiasm; it has a gift for coarse repartee and vivid description, showing
a decided knowledge of mankind and histrionic powers as a racial endowment.
Business capacity, too, seems to be not rare. The gift for music, above all for song, is
particularly pronounced. The predominantly Dinaric Alpine district is where
German folk-songs most flourish.8 The gift of tongues, too, would seem more
frequent in the Dinaric race. The sociableness of this race is a rough and noisy one;
as between man and man it is generally sincere and upright. For mental capacity I
would put the Dinaric race second among the races of Europe.9

[rashka]

The gift for music, above all for song, is
particularly pronounced. The predominantly Dinaric Alpine district is where
German folk-songs most flourish. The gift of tongues, too, would seem more
frequent in the Dinaric race. The sociableness of this race is a rough and noisy one;
as between man and man it is generally sincere and upright. For mental capacity I
would put the Dinaric race second among the races of Europe.

Dinarics are indeed a notable race but putting them 2nd? They love their folk songs and are very deeply rooted to their ancient traditions as can be seen amongst the Yugoslav peoples.

Here is a quote from the famous philologist Jacob Ludwig Carl Grimm (4 January 1785 – 20 September 1863)

"The ballads of Serbia occupy a high position, perhaps the highest position, in the ballad literature of Europe. They would, if well known, astonish Europe... In them breathes a clear and inborn poetry such as can scarcely be found among any other modern people." - Jacob Grimm


Also, I find that some people are wrongly classified as Dinarics or part Dinarics when they are not that at all.

[Corvus]

Dinarics are indeed a notable race but putting them 2nd? They love their folk songs and are very deeply rooted to their ancient traditions as can be seen amongst the Yugoslav peoples.

Here is a quote from the famous philologist Jacob Ludwig Carl Grimm (4 January 1785 – 20 September 1863)

"The ballads of Serbia occupy a high position, perhaps the highest position, in the ballad literature of Europe. They would, if well known, astonish Europe... In them breathes a clear and inborn poetry such as can scarcely be found among any other modern people." - Jacob Grimm


Also, I find that some people are wrongly classified as Dinarics or part Dinarics when they are not that at all.

Well the Dinaric race is more widespread than Coon (he is actually the only anthropologist who claims that Dinarid is exclusivly present in the Balkan region) describes it and ofc Gunther ranks it second as he has a special affinity for the Nordic race like all Nationalsocialists, but still above all other races.

Here what he writes about the distribution of the Dinarid race:

It is the whole region of the Bavarian dialect which shows the strongest element of
Dinaric race. In south Bavaria and Austria what we find is a predominance of this race --
a predominance which grows more and more decided as we near the south-eastern
boundary of the German-speaking area. But strains of Dinaric blood reach from these
regions as far as the west of the German-speaking area; while in eastern Switzerland, in
the Hotzenwald (south Baden), and in the Vosges (Alsace) we seem even to find once
again a predominance of the Dinaric race. Dinaric blood hardly goes north of the line of
the Main.

[Lemon Kush]

Well the Dinaric race is more widespread than Coon (he is actually the only anthropologist who claims that Dinarid is exclusivly present in the Balkan region) describes it and ofc Gunther ranks it second as he has a special affinity for the Nordic race like all Nationalsocialists, but still above all other races.

Here what he writes about the distribution of the Dinarid race:

It is the whole region of the Bavarian dialect which shows the strongest element of
Dinaric race. In south Bavaria and Austria what we find is a predominance of this race --
a predominance which grows more and more decided as we near the south-eastern
boundary of the German-speaking area. But strains of Dinaric blood reach from these
regions as far as the west of the German-speaking area; while in eastern Switzerland, in
the Hotzenwald (south Baden), and in the Vosges (Alsace) we seem even to find once
again a predominance of the Dinaric race. Dinaric blood hardly goes north of the line of
the Main.

Hey Corvus is that you in your avatar? If it is you have a very Dinarid looking profile! :)

[Corvus]

Hey Corvus is that you in your avatar? If it is you have a very Dinarid looking profile! :)

Yes ofc its me :)
I know I am predominantly Dinarid with Pontid influence

[Cern]

Dinarid a leadership skill is at his disposal.
Some military leaders Hungarian history dinarid.

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[Corvus]

Good examples Cern. Günther writes the same about Austro Hungarian leaders and also artists:

"Many of the great musicians show a more or less strong Dinaric strain; so, for
example, the Nordic-Dinaric Haydn, Mozart, Liszt, Wagner, Chopin, Bruckner,
Verdi; or the mainly Dinaric Weber, Cornelius, Paganini, Cherubini, Tartini,
and Berlioz. Nordic creative powers and Dinaric musical gifts often seem to meet in
one person, as, too, in Nietzsche's case"

[Cern]

Hungarian poet Petőfi Alexander.
The patriotic feeling is typical of his poetry.

http://i46.tinypic.com/29zdkwk.jpg

[HillY35]

Here is a quote from the famous philologist Jacob Ludwig Carl Grimm (4 January 1785 – 20 September 1863)

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Is this the same Grimm who wrote fairy tales? Because this stuff I'm reading in this thread is utter fantasy.
Men's mental constitutions vary so widely, in any group or nation, due to so many variables such as the influence of social station or the influence of education. Behavioral characteristics such as restraint or gregariousness aren't so strictly inherited, or exclusive to a whole ethnic group. Artistic skill is something any man can cultivate given the right environment.

[Corvus]

Is this the same Grimm who wrote fairy tales? Because this stuff I'm reading in this thread is utter fantasy.
Men's mental constitutions vary so widely, in any group or nation, due to so many variables such as the influence of social station or the influence of education. Behavioral characteristics such as restraint or gregariousness aren't so strictly inherited, or exclusive to a whole ethnic group. Artistic skill is something any man can cultivate given the right environment.

Actually it does make sense. Ofc not every Dinarid individual is artisticly inclined or equipped with leadership qualities but we are talking about tendencies. This is definitly legit and has an empirical proven base

[HillY35]

Actually it does make sense. Ofc not every Dinarid individual is artisticly inclined or equipped with leadership qualities but we are talking about tendencies. This is definitly legit and has an empirical proven base

Show me this proof of a Dinarid master-race. All I get out of the stuff provided is a bunch of conceited trumpet-blowing. The 1800s are over, brother! There are a lot more families of peoples on this planet than the little enclave of "Dinarids" in Continental Europe. All worthy of high regard, none worthy of worship. That's my opinion on this "mental characteristics of the Dinarid race."

[larali]

Hahahaha @ thread.

[Virtuous]

I am belong to the Cromagnon family and I do not rike this thread.

[Leon_C]

Dinaric supremacy! I can jump on this bandwagon since I'm at least a small part Dinarid from being keltic

[HillY35]

Hahahaha @ thread.



I know, these kids need spankings to make em grow up.

[rashka]

Hungarian poet Petőfi Alexander.
The patriotic feeling is typical of his poetry.

http://i46.tinypic.com/29zdkwk.jpg

Wasn't he half Serbian and half Slovakian in ancestry?

[Vukodav]

I agree with OP. Bes mix is of coarse Dinarid/Nordid (Norid). But haters gonna hate...

[Zmey Gorynych]

Wasn't he half Serbian and half Slovakian in ancestry?
I'm more bemused by the inclusion of Vlad the Impaler :confused: One could say that this is quite typical of hungarians (or let's say hungarian history). Their most prominent personalities were foreigners: Petofi Sandor(national poet) - slav, John Hunyadi(general and most celebrated warrior in the entire hungarian history) - romanian; Franz Liszt (composer) - german and the list can continue.

[Corvus]

I'm more bemused by the inclusion of Vlad the Impaler :confused: One could say that this is quite typical of hungarians (or let's say hungarian history). Their most prominent personalities were foreigners: Petofi Sandor(national poet) - slav, John Hunyadi(general and most celebrated warrior in the entire hungarian history) - romanian; Franz Liszt (composer) - german and the list can continue.

Vlad the Impaler is the personification for the Hungarian Romanian friendship. Dinarid as a common bond :cool:

[Cern]

Wasn't he half Serbian and half Slovakian in ancestry?

Yes.

[Flintlocke]

All this is some guy's general fantasy, based on nothing.

[Cern]

I'm more bemused by the inclusion of Vlad the Impaler :confused: One could say that this is quite typical of hungarians (or let's say hungarian history). Their most prominent personalities were foreigners: Petofi Sandor(national poet) - slav, John Hunyadi(general and most celebrated warrior in the entire hungarian history) - romanian; Franz Liszt (composer) - german and the list can continue.

They are part of Hungarian history.
Thread: "The mental characteristics of the Dinarid race..." All the same Hungarian or Romanian.

[Cern]

In my opinion: All subrace, has its characteristic mentality.
My experience.

I could be wrong.

[Corvus]

In my opinion: All subrace, has its characteristic mental.
My experience.

I could be wrong.

Ofc they have at least tendencies. But bear in mind most Europeans are mixed types and inherited a mix of characteristics

[Cern]

Ofc they have at least tendencies. But bear in mind most Europeans are mixed types and inherited a mix of characteristics

true

[Cern]

Wasn't he half Serbian and half Slovakian in ancestry?

Wrote a poem.The address is: I am Hungarian. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD48R21eSTk

[Zmey Gorynych]

They are part of Hungarian history.
Thread: "The mental characteristics of the Dinarid race..." All the same Hungarian or Romanian.
I did not say they're not part of hungarian history all I said is that they were not hungarians. If you do not want people to go off topic do not post rubbish ... and just to answer your rep point in which you tried to convince me that Hunyadi and Liszt were hungarians :

John Hunyadi

The Hunyadi family were a noble family in the medieval Kingdom of Hungary, of Wallachian[3] (Romanian)[4][5][6] origin according to the majority of sources. Hunyadi was named Valachus or Balachus ("the Wallachian") in some contemporary texts.[7]

According to other opinions, John Hunyadi came from a modest Romanian noble family from Hațeg.[8] The Hunyadis were first recorded in a royal charter of 1409 in which Sigismund of Luxembourg, then King of Hungary, granted Vojk the Hunyad Castle (in contemporary Hungarian: Hunyadvár, later Vajdahunyad, in present-day Romanian: Hunedoara) and its estates for his distinction in the wars against the Ottomans.

Woyk (Voik, Vajk) — Hunyadi's father — was described as being Vlach (an exonym and sometime endonym for Romanian) descent by medieval chroniclers[9][10] and modern historians.[11][12][13][14][15] He was a nobile Knyaz[16] from Wallachia.[16][17][18]

Hunyadi's mother was Elizabeth Morzsinay (Hungarian: Erzsébet Morzsinay, Romanian: Elisabeta Morşina), a lady of the lesser nobility from Karánsebes (Caransebeş),[24] Krassó-Szörény county,[dubious – discuss] Kingdom of Hungary. According to primary sources she was the daughter of a Romanian[25] lesser noble from Hunyad (Hunedoara), Transylvania, Kingdom of Hungary. Her family (also known as the Demsusi Muzsina family) was a family of Romanians ennobled in the second half of the 15th century[26]

Franz Liszt

The earliest known ancestor of Liszt is his great-grandfather, Sebastian List, who was one of the thousands of German migrant serfs locally migrating within the Austrian Empire's territories (around the area now constituting Lower Austria and Hungary) in the first half of the 18th century.

Franz Liszt was born on October 22, 1811, in the village of Raiding (Hungarian: Doborján) in the Kingdom of Hungary, then part of the Habsburg Empire (and since 1920 also part of Austria), in Sopron County (German: Ödenburg). Liszt was the only child of Adam Liszt and Anna Lager. Anna Lager was half Austrian and half Bavarian.

[Insuperable]

I read somewhere how Günther classified himself as Nordid with Dinarid input or predominantly Norid and that he was very biased because of that. Do not know much about that is true.

[Cern]

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"Vajk" hungarian ancient pagan name.
"Liszt" in hungarian: flour (father hungarian, austrian mother)

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