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Kazimiera
02-23-2013, 06:16 PM
Haplogroup I is a predominately Eurasian lineage.

Origin

Haplogroup I is a descendant (subclade) of haplogroup N1e'I (Behar 2012b) and sibling of haplogroup N1e (Behar 2012b). It is believed to have arisen somewhere in Eurasia between 17,263 and 24,451 years before present (Behar 2012b). It has been suggested that its origin may be in northern Iran or in Europe towards the Carpathian Mountain region where its highest frequency is found (Terreros 2011).


The distribution of haplogroup I also differs between the northern (9.7%) and southern (1.7%) regions of Iran. This incongruence is significant at a 0.05 (Po0.03) but not following the application of the Bonferroni adjustment (Supplementary Table 3). It is noteworthy that, with the exception of its northern neighbor Azerbaijan, IN is the only population in which haplogroup I exhibits polymorphic levels. Also, a contour plot based on the regional phylogeographic distribution of the I haplogroup exhibits frequency clines consistent with an Iranian cradle (panel I in Figure 3a). Moreover, when compared with other populations in the region, those from the Levant (Iraq, Syria and Palestine) and the Arabian Peninsula (Oman and UAE) exhibit significantly lower proportions of I individuals (1–2%; Supplementary Table 3). It should be noted that this haplogroup has been detected in European groups (Krk, a tiny island off the coast of Croatia (11.3%),78 and Lemko, an isolate from the Carpathian Highlands (11.3%)79) at comparable frequencies to those observed in the North Iranian population. However, the higher frequencies of the haplogroup within Europe are found in geographical isolates and are likely the result of founder effects and/or drift.79 In addition, several studies 5,34,36,80 report the Middle East as the origin of this haplogroup, but for unknown reasons, the prevalence of this lineage in the region has been lost. Thus, it is plausible that the high levels of haplogroup I present in IN may be the result of a localized enrichment through the action of genetic drift or may signal geographical proximity to the location of origin.
Terreros 2011

Some argue that it may have been one of the first haplogroups to move into Europe.


Distribution

Haplogroup I is found at very low frequencies (generally < 3%) throughout Europe, West Asia and South Asia (Fernandes 2012). This spread is thought to be the product of multiple migration waves from the Arabian Gulf region, Anatolia, and southeast Europe (Fernandes 2012).


Finally, ∼30 ka ago, N1e split from haplogroup I. The three N1e sequences in the tree are located in the Arabian Peninsula and Russia. Haplogroup I, which is by far the most frequent clade within N1, dates to ∼25 ka ago and is overall most frequent in Europe (Figure 2A), but the facts that it has a frequency peak in the Gulf region and that its highest diversity values are in the Gulf, Anatolia, and southeast Europe suggest that its origin is most likely in the Near East and/or Arabia (Figures S4A and S5A). A subhaplogroup of I5a shows a recent tight founder effect ∼2 ka ago on Soqotra, an island that is found in the Gulf of Aden and which was settled during the Holocene.27 I4 and I2′I3, dating to 10–15 ka ago, are both predominantly European. In the HVS-I founder analysis, haplogroup I indicates a primarily Late Glacial expansion, but the I1a subclade peaks in the Neolithic period at ∼6 ka ago under both founder analysis criteria. This pattern is confirmed by the complete sequence tree and again indicates expansion from a probable Near Eastern source dating to ∼5 ka ago.
Fernandes 2012

Kazimiera
05-17-2013, 06:46 PM
Why is this such a neglected haplogroup? Nobody ever talks about it!

Jonik
10-02-2013, 02:39 AM
mtDNA: I1a1a
from FTDNA: Finland - 7 (1 from Siberia, originally from Finland); Sweden - 1; Germany - 1; Austria - 1; Central Ukraine - 1.

http://image-upload.de/image/iLLLBZ/912ac3db69.jpg

Kazimiera
10-08-2013, 09:05 PM
mtDNA: I1a1a
from FTDNA: Finland - 7 (1 from Siberia, originally from Finland); Sweden - 1; Germany - 1; Austria - 1; Central Ukraine - 1.

http://image-upload.de/image/iLLLBZ/912ac3db69.jpg

Yay!!! :clapping

I have a haplo-friend!

Jackson
10-08-2013, 09:30 PM
Why is this such a neglected haplogroup? Nobody ever talks about it!

Probably because it's pretty uncommon i guess. It's a bit of a mysterious one, at least in Europe. I remember one of my matches on 23&me has I1 for both y-dna and mt-dna, which is a pretty neat coincidence!

Kazimiera
11-25-2013, 06:38 AM
Dear Members of the mtDNA Haplogroup I Project,

It's been an exciting year in the development of Haplogroup I. For starters, GenBank received a record number of haplogroup I sequences ... including a handful of submissions sent in by our very own project members! This has led to the discovery of brand new subclades, as well as divisions of known subclades into new branches. (Also a research article was published about haplogroups I and W, for which you can find a link in our project News page.)

These new developments will be reflected in the updated version of the PhyloTree (official mtDNA tree), which is due to be released by the end of the month! This accumulation of data on our haplogroup sets the stage for us to learn more about the ages of the subclades and the migration paths of our direct maternal ancestors whose mtDNA patterns have been passed down to us over thousands of years, which we still carry with us today.

:)

fergusgiselle
12-05-2013, 09:28 PM
We are very rare! I'm hoping to continue the line but it is looking pretty slim. I'm guessing we are all stunningly beautiful and intelligent :p

Kazimiera
12-05-2013, 09:36 PM
We are very rare! I'm hoping to continue the line but it is looking pretty slim. I'm guessing we are all stunningly beautiful and intelligent :p

Of course. Good things are rare! :)

We're not common stock like the mtdna H groups. ;)

Artek
12-07-2013, 07:20 PM
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-I-map.png

It seems it was more common in such Celts or Balts than in Germanics, looking at the British Isles.

fergusgiselle
12-11-2013, 04:06 AM
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-I-map.png

It seems it was more common in such Celts or Balts than in Germanics, looking at the British Isles.

It is an early Viking group that travelled quite far. It was once 17 per cent of parts of Scandinavia but is now only around 2 per cent. Its found in early viking sites.

Jackson
12-11-2013, 11:22 AM
http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-I-map.png

It seems it was more common in such Celts or Balts than in Germanics, looking at the British Isles.

Very unusual distribution, doesn't seem to strongly correlate with any particular populations other than a few small areas.

Artek
12-11-2013, 01:40 PM
Very unusual distribution, doesn't seem to strongly correlate with any particular populations other than a few small areas.
Such description fits to many mtDNA haplogroups throughout the Europe :)


It is an early Viking group that travelled quite far. It was once 17 per cent of parts of Scandinavia but is now only around 2 per cent. Its found in early viking sites.
I think you are referring to the Bronze Age Danish. They are probably as "viking" as modern Poles ;)

Jackson
12-11-2013, 01:46 PM
Such description fits to many mtDNA haplogroups throughout the Europe :)




That is true to be honest... :P

Artek
12-11-2013, 01:50 PM
That is true to be honest... :P
But we can try to guess which mtDNA haplogroups were more frequent among the Celts in Britain and which were more frequent among the Germanic "newcomers". With some margin of error, of course

fergusgiselle
12-12-2013, 12:27 AM
But we can try to guess which mtDNA haplogroups were more frequent among the Celts in Britain and which were more frequent among the Germanic "newcomers". With some margin of error, of course

we are too good looking to be celts ;-)

Kazimiera
03-04-2014, 09:47 PM
Geographic distribution

Haplogroup I is a fairly rare haplogroup, being found in average in 2% of Europeans and under 1% of Near Easterners. Slightly more elevated concentrations are found in Daghestan, notably among the Dargins (6.5%), Chechens (6%) and Kumyks (5.5%), as well as in isolated parts of Europe such as Mordovia (6%), Latvia (4.5%), Lithuania (3%), Finland (4%), Brittany (3%), Great Britain (4%), Ireland (3%) and Iceland (4%), but also Serbia (3.5%), Croatia (3%), Bosnia-Herzegovina (3%) and parts of Italy. Haplogroup I is absent from Lapland, the Basque country and the Maghreb, three regions that share high levels of mt-haplogroups U5 and HV0/V.

Haplogroup N1a, excluding the N1a1b2 subclade (i.e. haplogroup I), is even rarer, being found is less than 0.5% of the European population. N1a(xI) is most common in Yemen (2.5%), Saudi Arabia (2.5%), Kazakhstan (1.5%), Egypt (1%), Armenia (1%), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1%), Lithuania (1%) and Estonia (1%). There seems to be an overlap in distribution between haplogroups N1a and I in the Dinaric Alps and Baltic countries.

Distribution of mtDNA haplogroup I in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-I-map.png


Origins & History

Haplogroups N1a and I have never been found in ancient samples from Paleolithic or Mesolithic Europe. N1a is thought to have originated in Southwest Asia, perhaps in the Arabian peninsula or in the southern Levant, then to have spread to the Caucasus and Europe with the diffusion of agriculture during the Neolithic period.

Neolithic farmers

The earliest evidence of N1a in Europe comes from the Early Neolithic, when it suddenly pops up in 13 of the 102 skeletons tested to date from various sites of the Linear Pottery culture (LBK) in Germany (see Adler 2012 and Brandt 2013), giving it a spectacularly high frequency of 12.75%. This may have been due to a founder effect among LBK farmers, but it is noteworthy that later Neolithic cultures in the region kept high levels of N1a compared to modern Germany. That included samples from the Rössen (9%) and Schöningen (3%) cultures, as well as the Baalberge (5%) and Salzmünde (7%) groups of the Funnelbeaker culture, spanning the whole Neolithic and early Chalcolithic periods. These German samples belonged to the N1a1a, N1a1a1 and N1a1a3 subclades.

From the time of the Corded Ware culture, representing the advance of Proto-Indo-European speakers from the Pontic Steppe of Ukraine and southern Russia, haplogroup N1a suddenly disappears from the record in Central Europe, and would never come back.

N1a was also found in the Alföld culture in Hungary, an eastern branch of the Linear Pottery culture, as well as in Megalithic France.

Nowadays N1a is also found in modern Cushitic populations of East Africa. In fact, the same N1a1a3 that was found in Neolithic Germany is now found essentially in Somalia and Ethiopia, in the Horn of Africa. This region has the world's highest frequency of Y-haplogroup T, the greatest diversity of Y-haplogroup E1b1b, and also a substantial percentage of Y-haplogroup J1, three paternal lineages thought to have been found among early agriculturalists from the Fertile Crescent alongside Y-haplogroup G2 - the four "Neolithic founder Y-DNA haplogroups". Therefore it is possible that N1a originated with Y-haplogroup J1 and/or T during the Upper Paleolithic, then spread with all four haplogroups after E1b1b and G2a converged with J1 and T in the Fertile Crescent during the Natufian period or the Pre-Pottery Neolithic.

With the expansion of agriculture from the Fertile Crescent, N1a1a (and N1a3) migrated to Anatolia, then to Europe. During that time, N1a1b expanded directly from the Fertile Crescent to the Caucasus and northern Iran, where it developed N1a1b1 (found in Iran today) and N1a1b2 (haplogroup I). In this scenario, R1b cattle herders from eastern Anatolia would have absorbed mtDNA I by intermarriages with Caucasian women on the way to the Pontic Steppe. This would have happened with other mtDNA lineages too (see maternal lineages corresponding to haplogroup R1b). Whatever the exact route and timing, haplogroup I was almost certainly found in the northwest Caucasus when the Maykop culture appeared around 3700 BCE, and would consequently have become part of the Proto-Indo-European tribes before the great migrations to Europe and Central Asia.

Haplogroup I has not been found in Neolithic remains from Europe to date. It first shows up in Chalcolithic Catalonia (c. 3500-3000 BCE) as I1c1. Interestingly it was accompanied by haplogroups U4 and W1, two typically East European lineages, which hint that the Catalan site may represent an early migration of Steppe people in western Europe.
Indo-European migrations

It is during the Late Copper Age and Early Bronze Age that haplogroup I start cropping up regularly in European remains, first in the Corded Ware culture (2.5% of all samples), associated with the expansion of Y-haplogroup R1a, but especially with the Unetice culture (13% of all samples), linked with the arrival of R1b people around modern Germany, Czechia and western Poland. Whereas N1a was exclusively found among Near Eastern Neolithic farmers, haplogroup I displays a strong connection with the Indo-European migrations. The higher frequency of I in the North Caucasus today also alludes to a link with the Maykop culture, the world's first militaristic Bronze Age culture, which was intricately connected with the Yamna culture of the Pontic Steppe (see R1b history).

Lineages found among the Unetice culture belonged to the I1, I1a1 and I3a subclades, I1a1 being the most prevalent among them. The oldest known R1b1b2 sample at present is an individual from the late Corded Ware or pre-Unetice culture (2600–2500 BCE) in eastern Germany who happened to belong to mt-haplogroup I1a1.

Haplogroup I was also found in Scythian remains in Siberia (I4 subclade, Keyser et al. 2009) and in southern Russia (I3 subclade, Der Sarkissian et al. 2011).

Another way to determine whether a particular lineage could have been spread by the Indo-European migration is to compare their modern distribution in regions historically settled by the Indo-Europeans, which besides Europe also comprises most of Central Asia, parts of Siberia (notably the Altai), as well as South Asia from Iran to western India. Haplogroup I is indeed present in all these regions. Unfortunately data about specific subclades is still sparse, but I1a appears to be the most common form of I in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, the two Central Asian countries with the highest percentages of R1b. I1a is also common in central and eastern Europe, in the Caucasus and in the British isles.

Haplogroup I2 is found in most of northern Europe, but also in the Caucasus, in Siberia and among the Pasiegos of Cantabria in northern Spain, who has possess other typically Indo-European maternal lineages like H6, J1b1a, T1a1a, U2e, U4 and U5a1a and surprisingly high levels of Y-haplogroup R1a (see Maca-Meyer et al. 2003). I3 is found mostly in countries with high percentages of R1b in northwestern Europe, and its presence in the Unetice culture and among ancient Scythians confirm an Indo-European origin. I4a is scattered around all Europe, but is also found around the Black Sea, the North Caucasus, Iran and Siberia, all regions settled by the Indo-Europeans.

Other subclades

Three I5 samples were identified in a site from the early Minoan civilization by Hughey et al. 2013. The fact that the Minoans were a pre-Indo-European Greek culture casts doubt on the Indo-European origin of I5. Nevertheless, its modern distribution ranges from the North Caucasus to central and western Europe, argues in favour of an Indo-European dispersal. The case of I5 cannot be settled in light of the present data.

On the other hand, the modern distributions of I4b, so far found only in Iran, I6, found in northern Iran, Turkey and Sicily, and I7, found in Armenia and Mesopotamia, do not suggest a Steppe connection. The pre-Indo-European development of haplogroup I in the Caucasus can explain why subclades like I6 and I7 aren't associated with the Indo-Europeans. These were probably lineages from the South Caucasus, which became part of the Kura-Araxes culture during the Early Bronze Age, and expanded to Anatolia and northern Mesopotamia. Kura-Araxes men are thought to have belonged essentially to Y-haplogroup G2a and J2, with a minority of J1 and T. After centuries of intermingling with other Anatolian people, they may have indirectly become the ancestors of the ancient Greek people. In the Classical Greek Antiquity, I5 and I6 would have been spread to Magna Graecia (southern Italy), especially southern Sicily and Apulia, which were Doric colonies with direct links to Crete.


Subclades


N1a
N1a1'2
N1a1
N1a1a: found in the North Caucasus (Kabardia) and Yemen
N1a1a1: found in Neolithic Germany
N1a1a1a
N1a1a1a1: found in Russia
N1a1a1a2: found in Siberia (Buryat)
N1a1a1a3
N1a1a1b
N1a1a2
N1a1a3: found in Somalia, Ethiopia, and Neolithic Germany
N1a1b
N1a1b1: found in Iran and the Arabian peninsula


I (aka N1a1b2)

I1
I1a: found in most of Europe and Central Asia, as well as in North Caucasus, Siberia, Iran, Pakistan and India
I1a1
I1a1a: found in north-east Europe and Siberia
I1a1b: found in Scandinavia, Germany and the British Isles
I1a1c: found in north-east Europe and Norway
I1a1d: found in the British Isles
I1a1e: found in the British Isles
I1b: found in the Levant, around the Caucasus, in Poland, Sweden and India
I1c: found in central and eastern Europe and in Siberia
I1c1: found in central and eastern Europe
I1c1a: found among Ashkenazi Jews
I1d: found in Italy
I1e: found in India

I2: found in northern and central Europe, Anatolia, the North Caucasus and Azerbaijan
I2a: found in northern and central Europe, and in Siberia
I2b: found in Finland
I2c: found in Britain
I2d: found in northern Europe
I2e: found in Germany and England

I3: found mostly in northwestern Europe
I3a: found mostly in Celtic and Germanic countries
I3b: found in Poland and Ireland
I3c: found in Ireland
I3d

I4
I4a: found in north-west and central Europe, around the Black Sea, in the North Caucasus, Armenia, Iran and Siberia
I4a1: found in Britain, European Russia and Siberia
I4a2: found in Finland
I4b: found in northern Iran

I5: found in the North Caucasus (North Ossetia)
I5a: found in southern and central Europe, in Turkey and in the Arabian peninsula
I5a1: found in Iberia and France
I5a2: found in Germany
I5a3: found in Germany and Turkey
I5a4: found in Romania and southern Russia
I5b: found in Italy
I5b1: found in Iran
I5c
I5c1: found in Italy, Poland, Germany and England

I6: found in Turkey
I6a: found in Italy (Sicily)
I6b: found in Turkey and Iran

I7: found in Armenia and Kuwait

N1a2: found in India

N1a3: found in Belarus
N1a3a: found in Romania and Saudi Arabia
N1a3a1: found in Russia
N1a3a2: found in Italy and Kuwait
N1a3a3: found in Cyprus and Russia


Source: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I_mtDNA.shtml

fergusgiselle
03-28-2014, 10:10 AM
haplogroup I is for the most attractive women.

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Kazimiera
05-24-2014, 03:19 PM
I received this today from the FTDAN mtDNA Haplogroup I Project:


For the mtDNA Haplogroup I Project, I am currently checking our members for potential new subclades. We expect several new subclades to be added in the next update of the official mtDNA tree.

Many subclades are defined by variants in the coding region of the mtDNA sequence, so it is helpful for project administrators to view those results. However, default settings in your account block project administrators from seeing them.

To evaluate your subclade status -- both now and when the official mtDNA tree is updated next -- would you mind allowing me to privately view your full-sequence results?

I adjusted my settings and let the administrator know. This was the reply I got!


Thank you for allowing me to see your mtDNA results.

As it turns out, you have three rare variants: 3504C, 8020A, and 10283G. One or more of these could eventually be the defining motif of a new I1b subclade.

Kazimiera
06-06-2014, 06:40 PM
I submitted all my details to Genbank as requested by the group administrator and I now have now my own file with my genetic information! A lot of research is currently underway regarding mtDNA group I. There are only 9 I1b's in the FTDNA project, and with my mutations I might end up with a subclade of my own!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/KJ890390

Xanthias
06-06-2014, 06:51 PM
Haplogroup I is a predominately Eurasian lineage.

Origin

Haplogroup I is a descendant (subclade) of haplogroup N1e'I (Behar 2012b) and sibling of haplogroup N1e (Behar 2012b). It is believed to have arisen somewhere in Eurasia between 17,263 and 24,451 years before present (Behar 2012b). It has been suggested that its origin may be in northern Iran or in Europe towards the Carpathian Mountain region where its highest frequency is found (Terreros 2011).

edit: Aren't all I subclades mainly descending from F ?

Kazimiera
06-06-2014, 06:54 PM
Aren't all I subclades mainly descending from J ?

No, they descend from straight from N.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/mtdna-haplogroup-chart.gif

Xanthias
06-06-2014, 07:01 PM
No, they descend from straight from N.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/mtdna-haplogroup-chart.gif

ma bad, F not J.

Kazimiera
06-06-2014, 07:06 PM
edit: Aren't all I subclades mainly descending from F ?

I decdends from N, which descends from L3.

F descends from from R which descends from N, which descends from L3.

http://history.earthsci.carleton.ca/harvey/genealogy/images/dna/mtdnatree.jpg

-MvD-
02-11-2015, 08:08 AM
Hi there,

here another member of the I haplogroup. I am I3a. I have some extra's as compared to the I3a profile, all in the variable region.

Markers found (shown as differences to rCRS):
HVR2: 73G 152C 199C 204C 207A 239C 246C 250C 263G (309.1C) (315.1C) 524.1A 524.2C 524.3A 524.4C 573.1C 573.2C 573.3C 573.4C
CR: 750G 1438G 1719A 2706G 4529T 4769G 7028T 8251A 8860G 10034C 10238C 10398G 11719A 12501A 12705T 13780G 14766T 15043A 15326G 15924G
HVR1: 16086C 16129A 16223T 16319A 16391A (16519C)

Jackson
02-11-2015, 03:40 PM
Btw an I3a (two, relatives) were found in the Unetice culture of Early Bronze Age Germany.

andorp
10-18-2016, 10:11 PM
Hi,
here is one with I1b mtDNA-ancestry. Wouln't it be interesting to compare our DNA to find out whether there are any subclades to Il1b? I am not experienced in this, but there must be tools for this. is there anyone with Il1b interested? Are you on FTDNA? I am new in mtDNA so any suggestion for IL1b-forums would be highly appreciated.

Kazimiera
10-19-2016, 06:22 AM
Hi,
here is one with I1b mtDNA-ancestry. Wouln't it be interesting to compare our DNA to find out whether there are any subclades to Il1b? I am not experienced in this, but there must be tools for this. is there anyone with Il1b interested? Are you on FTDNA? I am new in mtDNA so any suggestion for IL1b-forums would be highly appreciated.

Interestingly, you came up as a match for me on FTDNA a few days ago. :D

At the moment there are no other I1b subclades. At least YET. They are still working on identifying more subclades but the info they get trickles in simply because there aren't many people who have tested who are mtDNA I, never mind I1b. The last I heard they were busy with I5, I6 and I7.

You can join the mtDNA I group on FTDNA. Here is the link to the group: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mt-dna-i/about

You can contact the lady, Martha Hicks, if you want to know anything specific. She is one of the group's administrators and is closely involved with identifying new I subclades. She was the one who asked me if I wanted to submit my information to Genbank, which puts the information out there for anyone who wants to do research on the genetic information. Maybe she will organise you a Genbank page too. It's not every day that you run into one of us!

As far as I know, and I have searched far and wide, there are virtually NO groups for anything mtDNA I because there just aren't that many of us. :(

We are rare and we are special! :thumb001:

Poise n Pen
10-19-2016, 06:58 AM
I mtdnas need to start produce babee

Charles Bronson
10-19-2016, 08:40 AM
I mtdnas need to start produce babee

True.

LBK63
10-21-2016, 06:09 PM
Interestingly, you came up as a match for me on FTDNA a few days ago. :D

At the moment there are no other I1b subclades. At least YET. They are still working on identifying more subclades but the info they get trickles in simply because there aren't many people who have tested who are mtDNA I, never mind I1b. The last I heard they were busy with I5, I6 and I7.

You can join the mtDNA I group on FTDNA. Here is the link to the group: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mt-dna-i/about

You can contact the lady, Martha Hicks, if you want to know anything specific. She is one of the group's administrators and is closely involved with identifying new I subclades. She was the one who asked me if I wanted to submit my information to Genbank, which puts the information out there for anyone who wants to do research on the genetic information. Maybe she will organise you a Genbank page too. It's not every day that you run into one of us!

As far as I know, and I have searched far and wide, there are virtually NO groups for anything mtDNA I because there just aren't that many of us. :(

We are rare and we are special! :thumb001:


Thanks for the link. I think the site is down now, though. I am mtDNA I2.

Kazimiera
10-22-2016, 08:59 AM
Thanks for the link. I think the site is down now, though. I am mtDNA I2.

Another rare and special person!!

:jump0000:

Lebdover
11-13-2016, 12:34 AM
62908 My first post here. I am I1a1b and the women in my family are very beautiful. My mother had black hair with brown eyes and olive skin (as did one of her brothers) but two of her siblings were fair skinned and red haired. Her maternal grandmother Johanna had dark auburn hair as did her great-grandmother Anne. Her great-grandmother Anne came to Australia in 1869 from Liverpool but was born in Athlone in Ireland in 1849. Anne's mother Mary was born in Athlone in 1817 but her mother Helen Moran was born in Liverpool in 1795. Her mother Judith (Judik) was born in Amsterdam of a Dutch Jewish mother of Levite ancestry. I have joined the Iris project and Genbank. The photo is of my mother.

Leto
10-30-2020, 07:10 PM
Is it possible to locate the possible origin of I1c1a?

Aren
10-30-2020, 07:31 PM
Is it possible to locate the possible origin of I1c1a?

Is it your mtdna bro?

EDIT: looks like it's Eastern European with a very young TMRCA. It's sisterclade is also probably East-Central European.
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/I1c1/

Leto
10-30-2020, 07:32 PM
Is it your mtdna bro?
No, it's not mine. I don't wanna say where I saw it because I don't want a biased answer.

Leto
10-30-2020, 08:50 PM
EDIT: looks like it's Eastern European with a very young TMRCA. It's sisterclade is also probably East-Central European.
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/I1c1/
Interesting. The guy is a Moscow-born Jew, a renowned orthodontist living in the U.S. His Y-DNA is also not what people would except from a Jewish person. But on GED calculators he's pretty much Ashkenazi (35% East_Med).

Aren
10-30-2020, 09:34 PM
Interesting. The guy is a Moscow-born Jew, a renowned orthodontist living in the U.S. His Y-DNA is also not what people would except from a Jewish person. But on GED calculators he's pretty much Ashkenazi (35% East_Med).

The guys on yfull are probably Jews then.

Unknown European
11-05-2020, 02:31 PM
Is it possible to locate the possible origin of I1c1a?

It is found in Ashkenazi Jews

from Eupedia it says

I1c: found in central and eastern Europe and in Siberia
I1c1: found in central and eastern Europe / found in Early Roman Lebanon
I1c1a: found among Ashkenazi Jews

from SNP tracker it says

103528

on a family tree dna project

364 226701 Rifke Newman Ukraine I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16390A, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
365 N18955 Chaje Basia WEISS; Poland Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 522.3A, 522.4C, 573.1C, 573.2C
366 263786 Garten - - Brest Litovsk, Belarus Belarus I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 522.3A, 522.4C, 573.1C, 573.2C
367 244011 Machela MOSZENBERG (?), b. 1841 Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
368 155666 Taubenfeld Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
369 276285 Esther Sakheim b 1870 Warsaw, Poland Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
370 298626 Emy Neuschloss, b. abt.1785 Hungary I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
371 N126246 Neli Klein Weinberger, b. 1820 and d. 1875 Hungary I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
372 N2728 Hani Mandel 1790 Nagykaroly/Carei, Hungary/Romania Hungary I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
373 B6939 Sam Lipshutz b. 1879 Poland I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
374 5188 Fratchen Kahn, 1769 Fachbach, Germany Germany I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
375 541557 I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C, 573.3C, 573.4C
376 147289 Lithuania Lithuania I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C, 573.3C, 573.4C
377 597155 Rose Lawson-Taubin, b. 1878, d. 1929 Belarus I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C, 573.3C, 573.4C, 573.5C
378 47976 Fannie (Feiga) Wellman, b. ca Vilna Lithuania Lithuania I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C195T, T199C, T204C, G207A, A247G, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
379 14456 Reiza Nemenchinski, 1822-1898, Vilna, Lithuania Lithuania I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, C16270T, T16278C, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 573.1C, 573.2C
380 801406 Zali Landsman b. 1874 Hungary I1c1a T16187C, C16189T, G16230A, C16264T, T16278C, G16319A, T16362C, G16391A C146T, C152T, C195T, T199C, T204C, A247G, T250C, 522.1A, 522.2C, 309.1C, 315.1C, 455.1T, 522.3A, 522.4C, 573.1C, 573.2C, 573.3C, 573.4C

Fratchen Kahn The German Jewess who carried I1c1a was born in 1769. I have found her maternal grandmother was born in Fachbach in Western Germany
http://sternmail.co.uk/sld/getperson.php?personID=I6976&tree=SLtree
This suggests the immediate origins of lineage before becoming Ashkenazi may be Western European

apparently the parent branch was found in ancient Spain
Cami de Can Grau Spain — 3500-3000 BC I1c1 Sampietro 2007; Olivieri 2013