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Anglojew
03-02-2013, 01:47 PM
It’s been almost 3 generations since WW2. In a few years no real Nazis will still be alive (good riddance). Whilst we should never forget the events of WW2 (including the Holocaust) and without downplaying the murder of two-thirds of European Jews (as well as Gypsies, German homosexuals etc) it's time Jews forgave (contemporary) Germans and thereby allow Germans to forgive themselves.

Since the war Germany has been very Pro-Israel and paid reparations. They have been a model country in terms of their behaviour and have built one of the world's great economies and more importantly democratic states. In many ways Germany is the cement that holds the EU together (not just figuratively but literally with their financial contributions to other member-states).

At least two generations of Germans have grown up rightly ashamed, but unjustly fixated, by their grandfather’s crimes and misdeeds (the majority of Germany DIDN'T vote for the Nazis it should be pointed out too, for instance the Nazis got about 44% of the vote in 1933, so not every "grandfather" was guilty). This has lead to a paradoxical situation in which Europe's greatest economy, and a culture that gave the world so much prior to National Socialism, is ashamed to be patriotic because any allusion to patriotism is seen as far-right and therefore incorrectly viewed as fascist because of the Nazi past. Why can't Germans be proud of their achievements since before and since WW2 without being accused of being Nazi's for waving a German flag at the football?

By forbidding Germans to be patriotic and celebrate their culture, and this is often subconscious in nature, we have encouraged Multiculturalism, Political Correctness and Cultural Relativism to take hold in Germany which, combined with mass immigration, has lead to a situation in which there have been cases of Germans being victimised by foreign students in GERMAN schools for being German and in which Germans are often ashamed of their nationality internationally. In other words, it is a world turned upside down. Paradoxically this situation has been terrible for Jews who bare the brunt of the "new" Judeophobia, this time emanating not from ethnic Germans -except some who resent the very things I'm pointing out here sometimes justifiably but unfairly place the blame on Jews alone- but from the Muslim minority which has been allowed to grow like a fifth column in a Germany desperate to prove its non-racist credentials, and thereby allowing this minority to not integrate culturally including holding primitive and Judeophobic views.

It is for these reasons, that I say we need to end the notion that every German is born guilty, It is time Jews forgive contemporary Germans for the Holocaust and in doing so allow Germans to forgive themselves.

Philo
03-02-2013, 01:50 PM
What a stupid post. Perhaps we should hate them less (especaiily me, since you know what my views are lol) but forgive? I don't think so.

BTW I think I saw somewhere that 1 in 20 Germans is a nazi. LOL


Why can't Germans be proud of their achievements since before and since WW2 without being accused of being Nazi's for waving a German flag at the football?
What are you talkng about? they're waving their falg at football matches all the time.

Anglojew
03-02-2013, 01:56 PM
What a stupid post. Perhaps we should hate them less (especaiily me, since you know what my views are lol) but forgive? I don't think so.

BTW I think I saw somewhere that 1 in 20 Germans is a nazi. LOL


What are you talkng about? they're waving their falg at football matches all the time.

What I mean is that Jews need to move on and not treat modern Germans like Nazis. Not just Jews but the Western intelligentsia. They aren't responsible for the crimes of their grandfathers.

Philo
03-02-2013, 01:57 PM
What I mean is that Jews need to move on and not treat modern Germans like Nazis. Not just Jews but the Western intelligentsia. They aren't responsible for the crimes of their grandfathers.

yeah I agree but there's no forgiving for things like Genocide.

Smaug
03-02-2013, 01:59 PM
What a stupid post. Perhaps we should hate them less (especaiily me, since you know what my views are lol) but forgive? I don't think so.

BTW I think I saw somewhere that 1 in 20 Germans is a nazi. LOL


1 in 20 is 5%, a low number, how about the other 95% good people?

Philo
03-02-2013, 02:01 PM
1 in 20 is 5%, a low number, how about the other 95% good people?
What are you talkng about? they're waving their falg at football matches all the time.
LOL I know math very well belive me.
Look anglojew said:

Why can't Germans be proud of their achievements since before and since WW2 without being accused of being Nazi's for waving a German flag at the football?
So I said, "I don't understand? Germans wave their flag all the time(And rightly so)"

Smaug
03-02-2013, 02:01 PM
LOL I know math very well belive me.

That's not the point.

Anglojew
03-02-2013, 02:02 PM
yeah I agree but there's no forgiving for things like Genocide.

I wouldn't forgive an actual Nazi but they're either dead or dying. They're history. This generation of Germans should be free of the collective guilt of the Holocaust that Germans have lived with for 70 years. They've been punished enough. It's time to move on and let Germany flourish again. This is good for Germans and good for Jews. We don't need to be linked forever by the Holocaust. We should be able to be free of associations about the Holocaust and treat each other with mutual respect.

Heart of Oak
03-02-2013, 02:07 PM
It’s been almost 3 generations since WW2. In a few years no real Nazis will still be alive (good riddance). Whilst we should never forget the events of WW2 (including the Holocaust) and without downplaying the murder of two-thirds of European Jews (as well as Gypsies, German homosexuals etc) it's time Jews forgave Germans and thereby allow Germans to forgive themselves.

Since the war Germany has been very Pro-Israel and paid reparations. They have been a model country in terms of their behaviour and have built one of the world's great economies and more importantly democratic states. In many ways Germany is the cement that holds the EU together (not just figuratively but literally with their financial contributions to other member-states).

At least two generations of Germans have grown up rightly ashamed, but unjustly fixated, by their grandfather’s crimes and misdeeds (the majority of Germany DIDN'T vote for the Nazis it should be pointed out too, for instance the Nazis got about 44% of the vote in 1933, so not every "grandfather" was guilty). This has lead to a paradoxical situation in which Europe's greatest economy, and a culture that gave the world so much prior to National Socialism, is ashamed to be patriotic because any allusion to patriotism is seen as far-right and therefore incorrectly viewed as fascist because of the Nazi past. Why can't Germans be proud of their achievements since before and since WW2 without being accused of being Nazi's for waving a German flag at the football?

By forbidding Germans to be patriotic and celebrate their culture, and this is often subconscious in nature, we have encouraged Multiculturalism, Political Correctness and Cultural Relativism to take hold in Germany which, combined with mass immigration, has lead to a situation in which there have been cases of Germans being victimised by foreign students in GERMAN schools for being German and in which Germans are often ashamed of their nationality internationally. In other words, it is a world turned upside down. Paradoxically this situation has been terrible for Jews who bare the brunt of the "new" Judeophobia, this time emanating not from ethnic Germans -except some who resent the very things I'm pointing out here sometimes justifiably but unfairly place the blame on Jews alone- but from the Muslim minority which has been allowed to grow like a fifth column in a Germany desperate to prove its non-racist credentials, and thereby allowing this minority to not integrate culturally including holding primitive and Judeophobic views.

It is for these reasons, that I say, It is time Jews forgive Germans for the Holocaust and in doing so allow Germans to forgive themselves.

yes its time for the Germans forgiveing of the 10s of 1,000s of English POWs that staved to death in their camps:
for all Australian an English troops at Glypoly or however you spell it these days:::::::::::

Anglojew
03-02-2013, 02:07 PM
1 in 20 is 5%, a low number, how about the other 95% good people?
What are you talkng about? they're waving their falg at football matches all the time.

I'm just using that as a metaphor. I mean that a German soldier should be proud to wear a German uniform again. A German athlete proud to represent Germany. Germans should be allowed to be patriots. Germans shouldn't be called Nazi's for waving a flag.

Philo
03-02-2013, 02:08 PM
I'm just using that as a metaphor. I mean that a German soldier should be proud to wear a German uniform again. A German athlete proud to represent Germany. Germans should be allowed to be patriots. Germans shouldn't be called Nazi's for waving a flag.

Nobody is calling them nazis for waving their flag. What are you talking about?

Anglojew
03-02-2013, 02:12 PM
I amended the title somewhat to add "Todays" because I won't to make it clear I'm talking about today's (all those born since WW2 or who were very young during it) Germans not the actual Nazis.

Smaug
03-02-2013, 02:20 PM
I'm just using that as a metaphor. I mean that a German soldier should be proud to wear a German uniform again. A German athlete proud to represent Germany. Germans should be allowed to be patriots. Germans shouldn't be called Nazi's for waving a flag.

lol, the "What are you talkng about? they're waving their falg at football matches all the time." was not from me, it was from Herod's quote, somehow it ended up out of the quotation, if you chek the original message you'll see it's gone.

Philo
03-02-2013, 02:28 PM
Yeah anglojew said " Why can't Germans be proud of their achievements since before and since WW2 without being accused of being Nazi's for waving a German flag at the football?"
Which is not true at all since they wave their falg at football matches all the time.

Mraz
03-02-2013, 02:41 PM
Forgiveness is a Christian concept, Jewish people are tribalists and therefore the eternal guilt is the rule.
Jews will never renounce to the Shoah's income, it is good for Israel, it is good for business.
Sure you'll forgive Germans, French and other European nations once abortus, homosexuality, blasphemy, multi-culturalism will rule over Europe and their nations will be destroyed.

Skomand
03-02-2013, 02:42 PM
I have already forgiven Erich Mendelsohn.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2003/may/12/architecture.artsfeatures

"........How can this Erich Mendelsohn be the architect of the dark and deathly German Village in the Utah desert? Mendelsohn left no correspondence or notebooks relating to the Dugway Proving Ground project, where napalm and poison gases were developed and tested. He had been under gas attack in the trenches, yet it is hard not to think that his primary motivation in the desert of Utah was revenge on the Nazis. If this seems fair enough, what remains disturbing is the fact that this work was expressly designed to destroy working-class districts of Berlin, including Wedding and Pankow. These had been communist strongholds, virulently anti-Hitler, before the Gestapo and SS all but destroyed opposition to the Nazi regime....."

Austo
03-02-2013, 02:43 PM
Austrian included?

Philo
03-02-2013, 02:45 PM
Forgiveness is a Christian concept,
No, it's a human concept. Though muzzies are not very good at it.

Jewish people are tribalists and therefore the eternal guilt is the rule.
Jews will never renounce to the Shoah's income, it is good for Israel, it is good for business.
Sure you'll forgive Germans, French and other European nations once abortus, homosexuality, blasphemy, multi-culturalism will rule over Europe and their nations will be destroyed.
LOL.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

The Gish Gallop, named after creationist Duane Gish, is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood in real time.

Mraz
03-02-2013, 02:52 PM
No, it's a human concept. Though muzzies are not very good at it.

LOL.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QU7IoDoVX4


"I'm an American jew, I made my Alyah to Israel and now I teach Swedes about antisemitism and multiculturalism."
:rolleyes:

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 02:52 PM
Sure you'll forgive Germans, French and other European nations once abortus, homosexuality, blasphemy, multi-culturalism will rule over Europe and their nations will be destroyed.

can you tell me whats wrong with:

- homosexuality ? what if someone has romantic/erotic feeling for the member of the opposite sex ? I can assure you, if I meet a guy tomorrow and my mind would say "wow, he is hot I wanna fuck him" = then I will surely do it. Every fantasy in life should be acted upon, and you are not in a position to tell anyone what to do

- multiculturalism: YOU live in Belgium, and not in your poor Bosnia among other muslims. You preferred to live in a civilized country, and not in a 3rd world country among your brothes and sisters. So STFU about multiculturalism, since YOU are enjoying.

- blasphemy: LOL, its not a crime to insult any religion, whether its judaism or islam, they are all retarded, and it's my fucking right to speak my mind about it, get it ?

you really are a prehistorical creature.

asingh
03-02-2013, 02:52 PM
I'm just using that as a metaphor. I mean that a German soldier should be proud to wear a German uniform again. A German athlete proud to represent Germany. Germans should be allowed to be patriots. Germans shouldn't be called Nazi's for waving a flag.

What you saying, AG. This sounds funny. :)

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 02:53 PM
[video=youtube;5QU7IoDoVX4]


"I'm an American jew, I made my Alyah to Israel and now I teach Swedes about antisemitism and multiculturalism."
:rolleyes:

you are a Bosnian, YOU live in Belgium, kiss multicuti ass, since thanks to it you are allowed to live here.

You are shitting on a tree which feeds you.

Stop being hypocritical and get the fuck out of our country.

Austo
03-02-2013, 02:53 PM
Austrian included?

Because i am not ashamed of it. I am more proud of it.

Mraz
03-02-2013, 03:00 PM
you are a Bosnian, YOU live in Belgium, kiss multicuti ass, since thanks to it you are allowed to live here.

You are shitting on a tree which feeds you.

Stop being hypocritical and get the fuck out of our country.

"Our country":rolleyes:
This country is neither mine, nor yours.

purple
03-02-2013, 03:00 PM
And why should it be only the Germans? Stalin killed much of his own people, yet nobody every discusses him, or his image is much more obscure than that of Hitler, yet Stalin is barely exposed compared to Hitler. Why the Holocaust is the most discussed topic? Much more mass murders happened the last decade, yet we always put the Holocaust on pedestal and therefore forget the other people who died in this horrible war with horrible consequences.

And while our whole attention was focused on the Holocaust, we forgot about everything else because media is always talking about the Holocaust yet totally ignoring other terrible events which were as horrendous as the Holocaust itself

Philo
03-02-2013, 03:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QU7IoDoVX4


"I'm an American jew, I made my Alyah to Israel and now I teach Swedes about antisemitism and multiculturalism."
:rolleyes:

This is a logical fallacy, showing one jew pushing multi-culturalism like this one woman represents the 13 million jews there are in the world.
Retards like you shuld'nt even exist.


can you tell me whats wrong with:

- homosexuality ? what if someone has romantic/erotic feeling for the member of the opposite sex ? I can assure you, if I meet a guy tomorrow and my mind would say "wow, he is hot I wanna fuck him" = then I will surely do it. Every fantasy in life should be acted upon, and you are not in a position to tell anyone what to do
Beware, RussiaPrussia will quote you and put it in his signature. LOL


- multiculturalism: YOU live in Belgium, and not in your poor Bosnia among other muslims. You preferred to live in a civilized country, and not in a 3rd world country among your brothes and sisters. So STFU about multiculturalism, since YOU are enjoying.
Exactly, what a hypocrite he is.


- blasphemy: LOL, its not a crime to insult any religion, whether its judaism or islam, they are all retarded, and it's my fucking right to speak my mind about it, get it ?

True.

you really are a prehistorical creature.
Oh, yes he is.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 03:04 PM
"Our country":rolleyes:
This country is neither mine, nor yours.

the moment I got citizenship it became my country. Some retards like you may disagree with that, but I dont give a fuck.

it's disgusting to see people like you, coming here for completely backwards society, bringing their retarded norms and values and for some moronic reasons thinking "their values are superior".

This country is built and based on liberal thinking, here people can do what they want, have sex with any gender they want, shit on any ideology/religion they want, and think for themselves.

This system also implies that you can think what you want and do what you want, but your views are extreme, and extremism is dangerous to this country and its achievements, that's why you dont belong here, despite of your probable citizenship.

The Alchemist
03-02-2013, 03:05 PM
Yes, it's time to do that, even if it must be very, very hard.
Living in the rage and hate is just damaging for the one who is angry. It's time to let the past go.

Mraz
03-02-2013, 03:11 PM
the moment I got citizenship it became my country. Some retards like you may disagree with that, but I dont give a fuck.

it's disgusting to see people like you, coming here for completely backwards society, bringing their retarded norms and values and for some moronic reasons thinking "their values are superior".

This country is built and based on liberal thinking, here people can do what they want, have sex with any gender they want, shit on any ideology/religion they want, and think for themselves.

This system also implies that you can think what you want and do what you want, but your views are extreme, and extremism is dangerous to this country and its achievements, that's why you dont belong here, despite of your probable citizenship.

I don't bring anything, Belgium is what it is, it works fine. But great nations like France are being emasculated by those "modern ideas". To come back to Belgium : explain me why Belgian children have to go to Auschwitz, when 24 000 Belgian jews were killed, Belgium has no responsibility for the Polish, French, German, Yugoslav, Dutch (Jews)....That were killed yet you're taught about Mengele before even leaning about Belgian History which starts much earlier than 1940, you just have to learn about Polish Jews, Dutch Jews, but 30 0000 000 Slavs, you just don't care...but I guess yes I'm not Judeo-progressive and not respectful towards this country and the sacrosanct Shoah.

Oh and this guy is pure French and is my model, this man is a real intellectual and farseeing :)
This man is far right between.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B9dS68CCoU

You guys showed your true face, once exposed the plot the neurosis comes back. :)

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 03:43 PM
You guys showed your true face, once exposed the plot the neurosis comes back. :)

you did, this is your face:


Sure you'll forgive Germans, French and other European nations once abortus, homosexuality, blasphemy, multi-culturalism will rule over Europe and their nations will be destro

you are against these basic freedoms.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 04:23 PM
btw this Swedish woman who thinks she represents something looks like she has schizophrenia.

pinguino
03-02-2013, 04:35 PM
Forgiveness is not the same than forgetting it.
Germans of today had nothing to do with the Holocaust, but the events shouldn't be forgotten.
Now, the crimes of Germany in the Holocaust is just one case among hundreds of massive genocides committed by Europeans around the world. I don't know why Germans are always the target and people forget the crimes of countries like Britain, the Neetherlands, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Russia and all the rest. Even in WW II most people that die wasn't Jewish.

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 05:22 PM
I don't bring anything, Belgium is what it is, it works fine. But great nations like France are being emasculated by those "modern ideas". To come back to Belgium : explain me why Belgian children have to go to Auschwitz, when 24 000 Belgian jews were killed, Belgium has no responsibility for the Polish, French, German, Yugoslav, Dutch (Jews)....That were killed yet you're taught about Mengele before even leaning about Belgian History which starts much earlier than 1940, you just have to learn about Polish Jews, Dutch Jews, but 30 0000 000 Slavs, you just don't care...but I guess yes I'm not Judeo-progressive and not respectful towards this country and the sacrosanct Shoah.

Oh and this guy is pure French and is my model, this man is a real intellectual and farseeing :)
This man is far right between.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B9dS68CCoU

You guys showed your true face, once exposed the plot the neurosis comes back. :)

What I don't get about French Far-Right is how they like to cater to Muslims. Over here there are also some "new far right" people outside of the more Zionistic-leaning Vlaams Belang that are Islamophilic because they think Christianity is too weak and think the international Jewry is the source of all the problems in the West, but they're far more marginal than their French counterparts. If any, they're greatly influenced by figures like Soral in France.

No idea why Soral is seen as a great mind in France. He's just some (in my vision) morally old-fashioned person who only bitches about how he hates feminism, the Jews and capitalism.
In all fairness, however, I don't know the man and his ideas enough, but I usually don't follow and I don't see problems where he sees them and many of his deeper analysis escapes me as a result.

Sikeliot
03-02-2013, 05:33 PM
yeah I agree but there's no forgiving for things like Genocide.

If the Muslim minority in Germany gets too large they will be the ones attacking Jews there, not the Germans. I don't know about you but Muslims pose a greater threat to Jews today than any Europeans do..

Szegedist
03-02-2013, 05:36 PM
When will Jews forgive Hungarians? :laugh:


The better question is, when will Germans and the rest of Europe forgive Jews?

RussiaPrussia
03-02-2013, 05:39 PM
can you tell me whats wrong with:

- homosexuality ? what if someone has romantic/erotic feeling for the member of the opposite sex ? I can assure you, if I meet a guy tomorrow and my mind would say "wow, he is hot I wanna fuck him" = then I will surely do it. Every fantasy in life should be acted upon, and you are not in a position to tell anyone what to do



http://en.amerikanki.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Mihail-Porechenkov.jpg

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 05:42 PM
If the Muslim minority in Germany gets too large they will be the ones attacking Jews there, not the Germans. I don't know about you but Muslims pose a greater threat to Jews today than any Europeans do..

I have had only one encounter with antisemitism in Belgium, guess who was the offender ?

I had a paki living next door, he looked at me and asked me about my ancestry, I told him it was none of his business. Then he googled for my family name which he must have found on the door, and found the town in Israel carrying my family name, so his "suspicions" were confirmed.

Despite of him having a large criminal record (drug dealing, child's abuse, constant driving under the influence of THC and so on), the police didn't bother to help me at all, and when he filed a false complaint about me damaging his car on purpose, the police gave me a very arrogant interrogation, telling me that there is no need to accuse him of antisemitism, since "he had already warned us about you".

He also used two witnesses who he persuaded to testify against me. The police quickly figured out the witnesses were bogus, and the charges against me were dropped. Yet this paki didn't get any punishment of wrongfully accusing someone and using fake witnesses.

Something tells me that he would have got in trouble in the US for such behavior. NOT for telling me "I'm going to kill you jew" but for lying to justice.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 05:43 PM
http://en.amerikanki.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Mihail-Porechenkov.jpg

well, maybe YOU can tell me what's wrong with homosexuality ? besides the fact that it's somewhat funny, but in a very very soft way funny.

Philo
03-02-2013, 05:43 PM
If the Muslim minority in Germany gets too large they will be the ones attacking Jews there, not the Germans. I don't know about you but Muslims pose a greater threat to Jews today than any Europeans do..

LOL I did'nt claim differently:p
But I think if mulisms in geramny get too large than 1 of these 2 things will happen:
1. Germans will deport them back.
2. Muslim holocaust. Or something resebling that.

Well there's also the possiblity that they will marry with the native germans.



I have had only one encounter with antisemitism in Belgium, guess who was the offender ?

I had a paki living next door, he looked at me and asked me about my ancestry, I told him it was none of his business. Then he googled for my family name which he must have found on the door, and found the town in Israel carrying my family name, so his "suspicions" were confirmed.

Despite of him having a large criminal record (drug dealing, child's abuse, constant driving under the influence of THC and so on), the police didn't bother to help me at all, and when he filed a false complaint about me damaging his car on purpose, the police gave me a very arrogant interrogation, telling me that there is no need to accuse him of antisemitism, since "he had already warned us about you".

He also used two witnesses who he persuaded to testify against me. The police quickly figured out the witnesses were bogus, and the charges against me were dropped. Yet this paki didn't get any punishment of wrongfully accusing someone and using fake witnesses.

Something tells me that he would have got in trouble in the US for such behavior. NOT for telling me "I'm going to kill you jew" but for lying to justice.
what a PAKI bastard. Stupid pakis.

member
03-02-2013, 05:45 PM
I'm just using that as a metaphor. I mean that a German soldier should be proud to wear a German uniform again. A German athlete proud to represent Germany. Germans should be allowed to be patriots. Germans shouldn't be called Nazi's for waving a flag.

Well, Lena Meyer-Landrut made them more proud with her crappy song. Don't tell they wanna more :picard1:

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 05:48 PM
Well, Paki might be an insult in the UK for Pakistani, but in the end it's only a short way of writing the name of the ethnicity. The reason it's considered an insult is because the people are quick to take offence (often due to some inferiority complex).

Funny how Prince Harry once got into trouble for saying the word 'Paki' in 2006.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykSsutbSTn4

Sikeliot
03-02-2013, 05:50 PM
I have had only one encounter with antisemitism in Belgium, guess who was the offender ?

I had a paki living next door, he looked at me and asked me about my ancestry, I told him it was none of his business. Then he googled for my family name which he must have found on the door, and found the town in Israel carrying my family name, so his "suspicions" were confirmed.

Despite of him having a large criminal record (drug dealing, child's abuse, constant driving under the influence of THC and so on), the police didn't bother to help me at all, and when he filed a false complaint about me damaging his car on purpose, the police gave me a very arrogant interrogation, telling me that there is no need to accuse him of antisemitism, since "he had already warned us about you".

He also used two witnesses who he persuaded to testify against me. The police quickly figured out the witnesses were bogus, and the charges against me were dropped. Yet this paki didn't get any punishment of wrongfully accusing someone and using fake witnesses.

Something tells me that he would have got in trouble in the US for such behavior. NOT for telling me "I'm going to kill you jew" but for lying to justice.

In the US he would have been in trouble. And here, antisemitism is taken very seriously regardless of who is the offender.

Harkonnen
03-02-2013, 05:50 PM
Stop whining bitches, I'm seriously fed up with bitches. If they wanna hate let em, it's alright it's alright

Sikeliot
03-02-2013, 05:52 PM
Obviously not all Muslims are extreme in their actions or all think the same thing, but there has been a trend that European Muslims are not integrated and antagonistic to our basic freedoms. What is the point of allowing people into a country in the name of "multiculturalism" and "tolerance" when the immigrants in question don't have the faintest idea about what that means, and in fact behave in a way antagonistic to the very freedoms that we enjoy?

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 05:56 PM
Obviously not all Muslims are extreme in their actions or all think the same thing, but there has been a trend that European Muslims are not integrated and antagonistic to our basic freedoms. What is the point of allowing people into a country in the name of "multiculturalism" and "tolerance" when the immigrants in question don't have the faintest idea about what that means, and in fact behave in a way antagonistic to the very freedoms that we enjoy?

In a way I see that 'turning the other cheek' is often perceived as a sign of weakness. Tolerance often gets mistaken for that.
Sometimes tolerating the intolerant leads to more intolerance rather than vice versa. Time will decide what will happen. Maybe the tolerance will become less tolerance toward the intolerant? Maybe the tolerant will lose and the intolerant will take over? Maybe the intolerant will become tolerant?

Sikeliot
03-02-2013, 05:58 PM
In a way I see that 'turning the other cheek' is often perceived as a sign of weakness. Tolerance often gets mistaken for that.
Sometimes tolerating the intolerant leads to more intolerance rather than vice versa. Time will decide what will happen. Maybe the tolerance will become less tolerance toward the intolerant? Maybe the tolerant will lose and the intolerant will take over? Maybe the intolerant will become tolerant?

In order for the intolerant to become tolerant, they'd have to abandon their entire cultural mindset.

I have always been of the belief that to have a tolerant society, you don't just welcome everyone in.. you keep the intolerant out.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 06:25 PM
There is a strong historical inconsistency on the Holocaust and the largest of them all, is not a fact or evidence against their occurrence. Most of all are anti democratic laws that prohibit people from simply denying the holocaust.
I've never seen a tragedy to be as profitable as a people the holocaust was and is for the Jews. Genocides were not meant to be celebrated and used as laundry money.
Germany has one of the largest economies in Europe, but their population dwindles demographically. The Germans are humiliated and portrayed as human beasts since 1945 by the American cinema (read, Jewish). And worse, this feeling of guilt, was purposely spread to all Euro-descendants.
I think it's the Jews should apologize for inventing lies about a number of extremely important issues (Gould, Boaz, Anne Frank ...) and by trampling upon the feelings of the people who hosted them before its too late. They should leave the Palestinians alone and apologize.
The success story of Judaism always ends in fire.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 06:29 PM
Rule of acquisition number 1: when in doubt remind of the holocaust.


Srsly, there is a shitload of evidence of the holocaust, I saw old people in Israel who had markings on their hands. The 6m number is surely not right since its impossible to count the exact number.

At least one person died in the holocaust from my father's side (grand grandfather), likely 2 persons, but I never bitch about it, what happened happened, it's history.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 06:32 PM
In a way I see that 'turning the other cheek' is often perceived as a sign of weakness. Tolerance often gets mistaken for that.
Sometimes tolerating the intolerant leads to more intolerance rather than vice versa. Time will decide what will happen. Maybe the tolerance will become less tolerance toward the intolerant? Maybe the tolerant will lose and the intolerant will take over? Maybe the intolerant will become tolerant?

if Israel's experience in ME has shown one thing then it's that muslims tend to understand only the language of power in that region, any other language is always being seen as a sign of weakness. Quite tragic for the future of Europe.

StonyArabia
03-02-2013, 06:33 PM
Forgive but never forget. I would never forget what the the Russified Ukrainian Cossacks did to my people for example. We will always remember May 21, 1864, the same the Jews should do remember but forgive.

Vasa
03-02-2013, 06:38 PM
Germans will never forgive jews, now or then, for the degenerating and decadence jews have spread like a lethal virus in Europe. Before and after WW2. But my opinion is that the jews HAVE to forgive and forget the nazis and the germans for the Holohoax. Its unfair if not.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 06:53 PM
Rule of acquisition number 1: when in doubt remind of the holocaust.


Srsly, there is a shitload of evidence of the holocaust, I saw old people in Israel who had markings on their hands. The 6m number is surely not right since its impossible to count the exact number.

At least one person died in the holocaust from my father's side (grand grandfather), likely 2 persons, but I never bitch about it, what happened happened, it's history.

Of course, first, you have an pro semitic agenda here , this is evident.
Second, the historical facts are not disputed. No one disputes that a Soviet was the first man to go into space. But there are speculations as to whether the man had gone to the moon.

If you were a person in the midst of World War II, would hardly unscathed, no dead relatives. The Holocaust the way it is painted:
the poor Jews, innocent and bright once again, are murdered by their European neighbors bad, only because Europeans had deep envy them. The Jews, always the victims of his tormentors Europeans. Pity, always contributing to the culture and economy of their nations.
I do not need to go to the Second World War to try to understand why anti-Semitism. Just pay attention in today's world and their handlers.


Then the envious Nazis decided to kill all European Jews.

As things actually happened. Jews dominated by numerous means, but especially with cunning (not exactly the same as meritocracy) and the use of ethnic networks to promote their, to the detriment of other, native.
Dominated the main bases of a nation: culture, economy and politics, strategically placing their, in positions of power.
Through culture began the transformation of German society through the replacement of national culture by a degenerate culture, based on sexualisation, sexual oddities and unhealthy behavior. By a coincidence of facts or not (I think more likely), contributed significantly to the painful economic situation of Germany in the 20s.
Known as subversive, Jews were kept in quarantine until the mid 30's, when the German government began to encourage their emigration to other countries. Until the beginning of World War II, very few Jews remained in Germany and Austria.
Most revisionists do not deny that Jews have not died in World War II. They deny the hype (war propaganda) committed and scattered about the events. Many Jews died of hunger, disease and even shootings in concentration camps, as well as many other non-Jews.
The Jews are a people and their own ethnocentric culture is so. They dominated key positions of power in the largest economic power, military and political world, the U.S.. They noted that the media would revolutionize modern human society and started to use it to ensure the maintenance of its power, and its elite position in Western nations, especially in the richest.

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 06:53 PM
if Israel's experience in ME has shown one thing then it's that muslims tend to understand only the language of power in that region, any other language is always being seen as a sign of weakness. Quite tragic for the future of Europe.

I would neither have allowed muslims en masse to migrate here. Just reading how muslims thought during their so-called golden age (where some muslims try to convince me of that it's a period when 'Islamic societies where more civilised', just like the Romans probably were with their slave-ridden misery) and how they think today is enough for me to know that human rights are an alien concept in their culture. I have the impression humans are cattle in their societies.

Western morals also became more human once they secularised, something muslims are far from evolving toward. Less Islam is more humanity in a human. Abrahamism in general to me is basically 'the way of the desert' and subjugation of people.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:01 PM
In America and also in other European countries, Jews allied themselves to other people against white people, but this alliance was not meant to benefit everyone. Jews use other people as pawns to destroy whites, biologically. The European whites are the only ones able to stop the advance by the Zionist world. East Asians are naturally apathetic and will be easily mastered by them, if not already gone. Other races are too stupid to understand things, even the simplest. While the non-European Caucasians are quarantined and used as a Trojan horse in Europe. I mean, the Europeans should stay focused on Muslims and blacks, but in fact are Jews who opened the doors of their countries.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 07:02 PM
In America and also in other European countries, Jews allied themselves to other people against white people, but this alliance was not meant to benefit everyone. Jews use other people as pawns to destroy whites, biologically. The European whites are the only ones able to stop the advance by the Zionist world. East Asians are naturally apathetic and will be easily mastered by them, if not already gone. Other races are too stupid to understand things, even the simplest. While the non-European Caucasians are quarantined and used as a Trojan horse in Europe. I mean, the Europeans should stay focused on Muslims and blacks, but in fact are Jews who opened the doors of their countries.

Dont be ridiculous, it was European economic reality in the 50-60's which opened the door for the invasion, there was rapid economic growth and Europe lack labor force.

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 07:04 PM
For instance, I'm not denying that during the Middle Ages Islamic civilisation booked more progress in the sciences and acquisition of knowledge. However, in terms of humanity and the way religion was all-powerful I don't think they were ever to be called 'civilised' in what we'd call such today. I understand that Muslims for instance were thinking about concepts like the evolution theory in the 9th century already. Then again, I read from the same person (Al-Jahiz in this case) that he thinks women are inferior to men and that slavery from war acquisitions is a normal thing. Still barbarians in my vision and nothing for any modern muslim to get romantic about and it sure would get me to think 'that religion' once stood for progressiveness.

Interesting person that Al-Jahiz, by the way. He also wrote that the Hindu punishment for homosexuality is death, unlike in Islam. He also wrote that Atheists are the most immoral and sinful people around. I'm not denying he was a scientist unlike what we see today in the Arab world. He and other medieval Arabs remains a medieval caveman to modern standards however.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:04 PM
Dont be ridiculous, it was European economic reality in the 50-60's which opened the door for the invasion, there was rapid economic growth and Europe lack labor force.

Off cours.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 07:05 PM
I would neither have allowed muslims en masse to migrate here. Just reading how muslims thought during their so-called golden age (where some muslims try to convince me of that it's a period when 'Islamic societies where more civilised', just like the Romans probably were with their slave-ridden misery) and how they think today is enough for me to know that human rights are an alien concept in their culture. I have the impression humans are cattle in their societies.

Islamic golden age is a great 'item' for cultural masturbation, I have seen some extreme examples of it irl. A guy from Uzbekistan for example looked into my eyes and said "do you know that the first ape decided to walk on two feet instead of four near Tashkent" ? his eyes were shining with pride, and I think he must have considered this great fact as a source of national pride which he had the honor to reveal to me, since I was ignorant about that amazing fact before our meeting :\

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 07:06 PM
Off cours.

what you are saying here and in all of your above replies is "you jews are so superior that you are capable to control anything in the entire world".

let me assure you, jews are not as superior as you think.

Sikeliot
03-02-2013, 07:07 PM
Let's see proof that Jews in Europe are responsible for the immigration, rather than conspiracy theories. Why would they want to bring people into Europe who would want to kill them? Seriously.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:09 PM
Dont be ridiculous, it was European economic reality in the 50-60's which opened the door for the invasion, there was rapid economic growth and Europe lack labor force.

http://golden-dawn-international-newsroom.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-genocide-of.html

poor jews

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 07:09 PM
Let's see proof that Jews in Europe are responsible for the immigration, rather than conspiracy theories. Why would they want to bring people into Europe who would want to kill them? Seriously.

there are great theories about that.

1) there is arguably schizophrenic Swedish woman with insanity in her eyes
2) (and this is my favorite theory) to punish the Europeans for the holocaust
3) to force the last European jews to immigrate to Israel


etc.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 07:10 PM
http://golden-dawn-international-newsroom.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-genocide-of.html

poor jews

yes, I'm "so" going to read what some retarded Greek nazi party is posting on its website.

I see they have a nice flag, someone must have been really inspired to come up with this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HmrR9DDhKmw/UTE9E2Y2fMI/AAAAAAAABbI/BOmmzzUbq14/s300/SNA-celt-complete2.png

Szegedist
03-02-2013, 07:10 PM
My question still wasn't answered, do Jews see only Germany as a culprit in the Holocaust? Or also other Axis nations too?

Damião de Góis
03-02-2013, 07:10 PM
It's funny that you forgive the germans for 70 years ago, but you don't forgive the spanish for 400 years ago. The numbers aren't comparable either.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:11 PM
Let's see proof that Jews in Europe are responsible for the immigration, rather than conspiracy theories. Why would they want to bring people into Europe who would want to kill them? Seriously.

They were responsible for opening the borders in the U.S..
Western Europe obey direct orders from Washington since the end of WWII.

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 07:11 PM
I've never met a Jew holding contempt toward Iberians for what happened during the Inquisition. Where are you getting that from? Your ass? If a Jewish individual is bashing the work ethic in Southern Europe, I rather assume it's loose from his Jewishness and as a Northern European he's speaking.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:11 PM
yes, I'm "so" going to read what some retarded Greek nazi party is posting on its website.

I see they have a nice flag, someone must have been really inspired to come up with this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HmrR9DDhKmw/UTE9E2Y2fMI/AAAAAAAABbI/BOmmzzUbq14/s300/SNA-celt-complete2.png

:thumb001:

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 07:13 PM
:thumb001:

it is funny that some Greeks decided to swallow this antisemitic trash and to vote for a nazi party the second their society went bankrupt ;)

Damião de Góis
03-02-2013, 07:16 PM
I've never met a Jew holding contempt toward Iberians for what happened during the Inquisition. Where are you getting that from? Your ass? If a Jewish individual is bashing the work ethic in Southern Europe, I rather assume it's loose from his Jewishness and as a Northern European he's speaking.

I was refering to AngloJews posts in the Spanish forum. If you weren't just posting here because your usual forum is hacked, you would know that. :rolleyes2:

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:16 PM
I've never met a Jew holding contempt toward Iberians for what happened during the Inquisition. Where are you getting that from? Your ass? If a Jewish individual is bashing the work ethic in Southern Europe, I rather assume it's loose from his Jewishness and as a Northern European he's speaking.

So now you should have woken the Matrix.
Welcome to the real world.
No use kicking a dead horse, it's been 400 years since the Inquisition happened.
I feel the pain of other people who do not owe allegiance ethnic. Nevertheless, they are European and extremely wronged.
Iberians not have to apologize for what they did, if they really made ​​the way it is told. Why should they have been sympathetic to the Jews?
The story is always the same, the scenario changes.

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 07:18 PM
I was refering to AngloJews posts in the Spanish forum. If you weren't just posting here because your usual forum is hacked, you would know that. :rolleyes2:

I see. Not familiar with AngloJew yet. As an AngloJew he's more Northern European, so it makes a little sense what I wrote, but not sure for the rest so I'll pass.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:18 PM
:thumb001:

The delayed Golden Dawn are the only party active in defending the existence of Greece as a nation, biological, cultural, historical and social.
Why should I look for Kalergi plan in the BBC?

UncleJohn
03-02-2013, 07:19 PM
Great symbolism that! That should make a few chosenites quake in their shoes. :)


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HmrR9DDhKmw/UTE9E2Y2fMI/AAAAAAAABbI/BOmmzzUbq14/s300/SNA-celt-complete2.png

Bosnjakinja
03-02-2013, 07:20 PM
However, in terms of humanity and the way religion was all-powerful I don't think they were ever to be called 'civilised' in what we'd call such today.

Well to be fair, religion was also all powerful in all of Europe back then, so the Europe of that time wouldn't qualifiy as civilised by today's standards.

As for how the Islamic world went terribly, terribly wrong, I don't know. To be honest, I hope for an Islamic revival more for the sake of the people in the Arab/muslim world than for Europe. Because Europe can, if they set their mind to it, stop hostile immigrants from entering their borders while the islamic world is just going to fester in it's own misery if they don't change soon.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:21 PM
it is funny that some Greeks decided to swallow this antisemitic trash and to vote for a nazi party the second their society went bankrupt ;)

How not think this was possible?
And just in the land of Plato, Aristotle and Seiya!

:icon_ask:

riverman
03-02-2013, 07:24 PM
Well to be fair, religion was also all powerful in all of Europe back then, so the Europe of that time wouldn't qualifiy as civilised by today's standards.

As for how the Islamic world went terribly, terribly wrong, I don't know. To be honest, I hope for an Islamic revival more for the sake of the people in the Arab/muslim world than for Europe. Because Europe can, if they set their mind to it, stop hostile immigrants from entering their borders while the islamic world is just going to fester in it's own misery if they don't change soon.

You might be waiting for awhile.

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 07:27 PM
Well to be fair, religion was also all powerful in all of Europe back then, so the Europe of that time wouldn't qualifiy as civilised by today's standards.

As for how the Islamic world went terribly, terribly wrong, I don't know. To be honest, I hope for an Islamic revival more for the sake of the people in the Arab/muslim world than for Europe. Because Europe can, if they set their mind to it, stop hostile immigrants from entering their borders while the islamic world is just going to fester in it's own misery if they don't change soon.

I believe more in more secularism, but the scientific open-mindedness of the Middle Ages, be their society pious or not (despite of what I prefer) is indeed something people should strive toward. I just don't see how people would possibly combine it with Islam. During the Middle Ages progress was made and freedom of thought was high for medieval standards (where Europe was undergoing their Dark Ages comparable to the Islamic world today), but it remained a very oppressive society where some humans were basically without rights and in that regard little different from the slavery-exploitation of workers in the United Arab Emirates.

I think the Islamic Golden Age is indeed underrated and I'm also interested in learning more of it, but I disagree with people seeing it in an utopian light.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 07:29 PM
Well to be fair, religion was also all powerful in all of Europe back then, so the Europe of that time wouldn't qualifiy as civilised by today's standards.

As for how the Islamic world went terribly, terribly wrong, I don't know. To be honest, I hope for an Islamic revival more for the sake of the people in the Arab/muslim world than for Europe. Because Europe can, if they set their mind to it, stop hostile immigrants from entering their borders while the islamic world is just going to fester in it's own misery if they don't change soon.

I'd say that demarketing the religion could be a solution, but it's not going to happen, eventually though, at some point of the history, far, far from now, people may begin to wonder whether all the allah&mohammed&quran retardation is the "truth", but lots of blood will be spilled before this process even begins to take place. With globalization it's also likely that numerous waves of fading faith could be needed until the process becomes irreversible.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:31 PM
what you are saying here and in all of your above replies is "you jews are so superior that you are capable to control anything in the entire world".

let me assure you, jews are not as superior as you think.

Jews are not superior, if they had already created their own civilization. They are shrewd, astute race that is not working in their successes, but in the mistakes of others.
Point out the mistakes of others is very easy is not it?

Szegedist
03-02-2013, 07:35 PM
Hey Jews, are you only pissed off at Germans, or others too? For example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanovka

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 07:35 PM
Jews are not superior, if they had already created their own civilization. They are shrewd, astute race that is not working in their successes, but in the mistakes of others.
Point out the mistakes of others is very easy is not it?

you are the one who is screaming about the jews controlling nearly everything in the world. If a tiny nation can do that, then it's clearly superior.

Jews are not superior though, in any way. But your statements sound like they are.

Pointing mistakes of the others is easy, but profiting from it is not, if it's true that "jews control the world by pointing out mistakes of others" then can you please specify how exactly it makes them powerful, and creates profits ?

PS. I'm not controlling anything, where the fuck is my share :( ?

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 07:46 PM
you are the one who is screaming about the jews controlling nearly everything in the world. If a tiny nation can do that, then it's clearly superior.

Jews are not superior though, in any way. But your statements sound like they are.

Pointing mistakes of the others is easy, but profiting from it is not, if it's true that "jews control the world by pointing out mistakes of others" then can you please specify how exactly it makes them powerful, and creates profits ?

PS. I'm not controlling anything, where the fuck is my share :( ?

Most intelligent races usually work more or less honest. The European whites are one of the least ethnocentric races in the world. Chinese diasporas work over the'' open minded'' of Southeast Asian and profit on them. An elite Iranian origin prospered in India. There are examples of other minorities that can take cognitive advantage over their higher intelligence compared to native populations and particularly the teamwork or ethnic networks, since usually these minorities are better suited to the more open societies and less xenophobic.
Unlike the Chinese and Iranians respectively in Southeast Asia and India, Jews have also tried to dominate and transform the host societies.
Ashkenazi Jews are a bit more intelligent than Europeans in general. Besides the highest intelligence and ethnic networks Jews also work, using these two elements to find the errors of the psyche of societies in which they were received, and use them to your advantage.

RussiaPrussia
03-02-2013, 07:47 PM
its actually the germans who should ask themself if they should forgive the jews and not the opposite in these days.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnp0eeks3IE

adsız
03-02-2013, 07:50 PM
You say so because you are not a 100% Jewish but : "Ethnicity Ancestry : Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Germanic and Celtic that I know of."

?

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 07:55 PM
Ashkenazi Jews are a bit more intelligent than Europeans in general. Besides the highest intelligence and ethnic networks Jews also work, using these two elements to find the errors of the psyche of societies in which they were received, and use them to your advantage.

Next to many Belgians I feel pretty dumb, and not just me, most jews I know here are not the top at all. I haven't seen a single reliable study about ashkenazim naturally having a higher IQ.

And this sentence will actually prove your theory a little bit but also disapprove it: anyone with half a brain will search for what you refer as "errors of the psyche of the society" in order to exploit it and to profit from it. Yes; this is how my yiddish mind thinks, BUT I know quite a few native Belgians, especially those who are highly placed (CEO's etc), who do exactly the same thing on a personal/corporative level. In fact most politics and marketing are based on that. I'd call it creative thinking.

The Belgian society is quite honest overall, but distrustful towards others at the same time. Most of the times people who get high in their lives are quite dishonest over here.

liamliam
03-02-2013, 07:58 PM
They should never forgive the nazis of course, but they should see Germans just as normal people (which I think the large majority of Jewish people probablyd do) and judge them as individuals rather than thinking that they are all nazis which they aren't. But no, they shouldn't feel the need to excuse what happened or forgive the nazis because they should never be forgiven.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 08:10 PM
Next to many Belgians I feel pretty dumb, and not just me, most jews I know here are not the top at all. I haven't seen a single reliable study about ashkenazim naturally having a higher IQ.

And this sentence will actually prove your theory a little bit but also disapprove it: anyone with half a brain will search for what you refer as "errors of the psyche of the society" in order to exploit it and to profit from it. Yes; this is how my yiddish mind thinks, BUT I know quite a few native Belgians, especially those who are highly placed (CEO's etc), who do exactly the same thing on a personal/corporative level. In fact most politics and marketing are based on that. I'd call it creative thinking.

The Belgian society is quite honest overall, but distrustful towards others at the same time. Most of the times people who get high in their lives are quite dishonest over here.

I have Sephardic ancestors, distant, but that does not change the fact that I can only see the truth.
The Jews have an average IQ of around 107, read, Ashkenazi Jews. It really is not very high, but is a bit higher compared to Europeans. (Although many people think that the European isolates, as the Germans, the British and the Norse, iq present in this range or even higher). The iq is an important factor but not the only, personality is also very important.
The feeling of self guilt inflicted on Europeans, particularly in relation to the Holocaust, psychoanalysis and revolutionary movements extremely critical of the West, and only he, is an important piece of the iceberg.
Use others' mistakes, their weaknesses against them and for their own benefit.
In fact, if you even ask?
'' Like me, I'm not smarter than the average Belgian can be part of a people so bright?''
Europeans sin to avoid ethnic solidarity, inculcated by the Jews as racist. The Jews take advantage of that increasing this feeling through brainwashing but are otherwise within their communities.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 08:25 PM
The feeling of self guilt inflicted on Europeans, particularly in relation to the Holocaust, psychoanalysis and revolutionary movements extremely critical of the West, and only he, is an important piece of the iceberg.

I dont personally know any Belgian who would feel any self guilt about the holocaust. For most Belgians jews are people from that annoying country in the ME which gets lots of media attention OR from the diamond district in Antwerp. I don't know of any "remember the holocaust marches" or something similar, in fact when I was a teen I went with my classmates to a small concentration camp in Belgium, where the nazi's killed xxx people, I remember my classmates laughing at the names of the victims which were engraved on a wall ;)

if you refer to the global level then I don't remember the holocaust and guilt of the holocaust being mentioned in politics at all, other than occasional garbage as "Le Pen got convinced for saying that the holocaust was a detail of the WW2".

if you assume that all or most of European policy is based on the feeling of guilt, then I see positive aspects to that, because the feeling of guilt for a crime like the holocaust can only increase the value of every individual in Europe, and "value of individual" is something I consider to be sacred. would you want to live in a country where you as individual are considered expendable (looking at Russia, China, NK and so on) ?





Use others' mistakes, their weaknesses against them and for their own benefit.

that's the basic of most successful business enterprises, not limited to jewish enterprises. The market is one big competition, with lots of shit in it.



Europeans sin to avoid ethnic solidarity, inculcated by the Jews as racist. The Jews take advantage of that increasing this feeling through brainwashing but are otherwise within their communities.

So you are defending racism ? what's wrong with demarketing the feelings of racism ?

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 08:29 PM
I am no enemy of the Jews, I just want them to stop further destroy this world, to prevent the world destroy them.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 08:30 PM
I am no enemy of the Jews, I just want them to stop further destroy this world, to prevent the world destroy them.

are you sure it's not the other way around ?

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 08:40 PM
I dont personally know any Belgian who would feel any self guilt about the holocaust. For most Belgians jews are people from that annoying country in the ME which gets lots of media attention OR from the diamond district in Antwerp. I don't know of any "remember the holocaust marches" or something similar, in fact when I was a teen I went with my classmates to a small concentration camp in Belgium, where the nazi's killed xxx people, I remember my classmates laughing at the names of the victims which were engraved on a wall ;)''

if you refer to the global level then I don't remember the holocaust and guilt of the holocaust being mentioned in politics at all, other than occasional garbage as "Le Pen got convinced for saying that the holocaust was a detail of the WW2".

if you assume that all or most of European policy is based on the feeling of guilt, then I see positive aspects to that, because the feeling of guilt for a crime like the holocaust can only increase the value of every individual in Europe, and "value of individual" is something I consider to be sacred. would you want to live in a country where you as individual are considered expendable (looking at Russia, China, NK and so on) ?''[QUOTE]





Individuality is not an automatic opponent of identity. You wear this beautiful speech for power, as its creation, the leftists do.
You should never meddle in what white people think or do not think. It should not be their accounts. Nobody is forced to endure a minority in their nations. The people make, often against their will, the Jews are used by local elites, and most often, they become part of them.
If the Belgians were concerned about really important things, they would not have left his country being invaded by hordes of immigrants. The distractions created by the media, you know, just works to enlarge the natural tendency of ordinary people to focus their attention on trivial and silly things.
Le Pen was right. 20 million Russians died in World War II. 7 million Ukrainians during the '30s. The Jewish holocaust, if it happened the way that counts, not the main event of this conflict.
To you the sick feeling of self guilt of Europeans is a good thing.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 08:42 PM
that's the basic of most successful business enterprises, not limited to jewish enterprises. The market is one big competition, with lots of shit in it.
So you are defending racism ? what's wrong with demarketing the feelings of racism ?




I do not need to say anything else after that.
For you and your ilk, European identity = racism

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 08:45 PM
that's the basic of most successful business enterprises, not limited to jewish enterprises. The market is one big competition, with lots of shit in it.
So you are defending racism ? what's wrong with demarketing the feelings of racism ?



I do not need to say anything else after that.
For you and your ilk, European identity = racism

Would you be so kind to use the "quotes" thingie to make your messages readable ?

I asked you "whats wrong with demarketing racism?"
Do you like to be called "nigger" or "spic" and openly denied chances based on your ancestry ?

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 08:46 PM
are you sure it's not the other way around ?

You have?

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 08:49 PM
Would you be so kind to use the "quotes" thingie to make your messages readable ?

I asked you "whats wrong with demarketing racism?"
Do you like to be called "nigger" or "spic" and openly denied chances based on your ancestry ?

ooops, soorry
:picard1:

I'm not black. I like to call a nigger a negro who deserves the praise.
But this is not racism. No one is obligated to like anyone.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 08:50 PM
that's the basic of most successful business enterprises, not limited to jewish enterprises. The market is one big competition, with lots of shit in it.
So you are defending racism ? what's wrong with demarketing the feelings of racism ?



I do not need to say anything else after that.
For you and your ilk, European identity = racism

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 08:52 PM
I do not need to say anything else after that.
For you and your ilk, European identity = racism

there is still one big msg up there which needs editing.

European identity for me personally is not racist at all, in fact I even support the pride of Europeans for having such well structured progressing societies, which are mostly religion free, where education is being encouraged and so on.

And I'm also strongly against the current European form of multiculturalism :) surprise surprise.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 08:59 PM
there is still one big msg up there which needs editing.

European identity for me personally is not racist at all, in fact I even support the pride of Europeans for having such well structured progressing societies, which are mostly religion free, where education is being encouraged and so on.

And I'm also strongly against the current European form of multiculturalism :) surprise surprise.

You need to spend more to prove it, as I do.

European identity for me personally at all

Anything I missed?

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 09:00 PM
[QUOTE=Acquisitor;1413909]I dont personally know any Belgian who would feel any self guilt about the holocaust. For most Belgians jews are people from that annoying country in the ME which gets lots of media attention OR from the diamond district in Antwerp. I don't know of any "remember the holocaust marches" or something similar, in fact when I was a teen I went with my classmates to a small concentration camp in Belgium, where the nazi's killed xxx people, I remember my classmates laughing at the names of the victims which were engraved on a wall ;)''

if you refer to the global level then I don't remember the holocaust and guilt of the holocaust being mentioned in politics at all, other than occasional garbage as "Le Pen got convinced for saying that the holocaust was a detail of the WW2".

if you assume that all or most of European policy is based on the feeling of guilt, then I see positive aspects to that, because the feeling of guilt for a crime like the holocaust can only increase the value of every individual in Europe, and "value of individual" is something I consider to be sacred. would you want to live in a country where you as individual are considered expendable (looking at Russia, China, NK and so on) ?[QUOTE]





Individuality is not an automatic opponent of identity. You wear this beautiful speech for power, as its creation, the leftists do.
You should never meddle in what white people think or do not think. It should not be their accounts. Nobody is forced to endure a minority in their nations. The people make, often against their will, the Jews are used by local elites, and most often, they become part of them.
If the Belgians were concerned about really important things, they would not have left his country being invaded by hordes of immigrants. The distractions created by the media, you know, just works to enlarge the natural tendency of ordinary people to focus their attention on trivial and silly things.
Le Pen was right. 20 million Russians died in World War II. 7 million Ukrainians during the '30s. The Jewish holocaust, if it happened the way that counts, not the main event of this conflict.
To you the sick feeling of self guilt of Europeans is a good thing.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 09:01 PM
:mad:

you understand

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 09:02 PM
Edit those quotes properly, please.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 09:04 PM
:mad:

you understand



I do, I understand that you are unable to use something as simple as [QUOTE]

Im not replying to this big message, since it shows no respect for the readers.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 09:11 PM
I do, I understand that you are unable to use something as simple as [QUOTE]

Im not replying to this big message, since it shows no respect for the readers.

I understand that you're changing the subject focus.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 09:13 PM
I do, I understand that you are unable to use something as simple as

I understand that you're changing the subject focus.


yes I'm, I have no arguments, that's why I say that this looks hardly readable. you totally got me.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?72280-It-s-Time-Jews-Forgave-(Todays)-Germans-For-The-Holocaust&p=1413999&viewfull=1#post1413999

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 09:17 PM
I wonder whether it's due to a brown person's low IQ he cannot fix quotes or whether it's due to his laziness. ;)

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 09:18 PM
I wonder whether it's due to a brown person's low IQ he cannot fix quotes or whether it's due to his laziness. ;)

careful with your racism there ^^

/jewmode off

Dandelion
03-02-2013, 09:21 PM
careful with your racism there ^^

/jewmode off

Well, it's his skin colour in all probability and either one of those facts are true about him. ;)

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 09:24 PM
I think he doesnt even understand :\

while his message is readable, I feel it has no respect towards others to post trash, especially after being kindly asked to fix it :/

now he left, probably thinking that I changed the subject for some reason :\

Pontios
03-02-2013, 09:24 PM
It's time Jews got over their little "holocaust." It has been 60+ years, you have a (illegitimate) country with nuclear weapons, get over it. It is getting a bit annoying now hearing about the holocaust non stop and how we should all feel bad for the Jews, even though the number of some other ethnicities that died in concentration camps is a lot higher. If anything, the only winners of WWII were the Jews, while all of Europe was destroyed, the Jews come up with a new country and start building while the rest of Europe is destroyed and Germany is split into two parts. I do not see anyone else who has won from WWII other than the Jews.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 09:28 PM
It's time Jews got over their little "holocaust." It has been 60+ years, you have a (illegitimate) country with nuclear weapons, get over it. It is getting a bit annoying now hearing about the holocaust non stop and how we should all feel bad for the Jews, even though the number of some other ethnicities that died in concentration camps is a lot higher. If anything, the only winners of WWII were the Jews, while all of Europe was destroyed, the Jews come up with a new country and start building while the rest of Europe is destroyed and Germany is split into two parts. I do not see anyone else who has won from WWII other than the Jews.

I sincerely think most modern jews got over it.
Most of the times I hear about the holocaust from non jews, on internet forums, who post topics such as this one saying "it's time to get over it".

edit: In this particular case the jewish OP says "it's time to forget it", instead of "dont forget it!!!"

Szegedist
03-02-2013, 09:33 PM
I think that the so called holocaust is something that was long coming for the Jews. I do not agree with mass murder, however purging Jewish influence was a good thing.
In Hungary, the 1919 Communist Republic, over 80% of the Communists, including all of the top figures were Jews, which then increased anti-semitism (rightfully so) until the kettle boiled, so to speak. Thankfully we never got too much Holocaust guilt thrown on us, though they say we were some of the worst offenders, the Romanians too:laugh:

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 09:41 PM
I think that the so called holocaust is something that was long coming for the Jews. I do not agree with mass murder, however purging Jewish influence was a good thing.
In Hungary, the 1919 Communist Republic, over 80% of the Communists, including all of the top figures were Jews, which then increased anti-semitism (rightfully so) until the kettle boiled, so to speak. Thankfully we never got too much Holocaust guilt thrown on us, though they say we were some of the worst offenders, the Romanians too:laugh:

I see you have finally found a reason to be proud of something your nation has done in the past :) congratz

Pontios
03-02-2013, 09:42 PM
I think that the so called holocaust is something that was long coming for the Jews. I do not agree with mass murder, however purging Jewish influence was a good thing.
In Hungary, the 1919 Communist Republic, over 80% of the Communists, including all of the top figures were Jews, which then increased anti-semitism (rightfully so) until the kettle boiled, so to speak. Thankfully we never got too much Holocaust guilt thrown on us, though they say we were some of the worst offenders, the Romanians too:laugh:
The Romanians were worse than the Germans, Soviets were scared more when they heard Romanians rather than Germans. Germans would come through and capture the area, Romanians would destroy everything in front of them.

kwestos
03-02-2013, 09:42 PM
its time finally Celts forgave anglo saxons and get over it haha

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 09:42 PM
The Romanians were worse than the Germans, Soviets were scared more when they heard Romanians rather than Germans. Germans would come through and capture the area, Romanians would destroy everything in front of them.

but as an army Romanians were way softer than Germans ;) so maybe they were worse for the local population, but not on the battlefield.

Szegedist
03-02-2013, 09:43 PM
I see you have finally found a reason to be proud of something your nation has done in the past :) congratz

Among the many other things off course.

Ps, Admiral Horthy of Hungary tried to save the Jews for as long as possible. Pretty much all of the Jews that survived in Hungary are thanks to him. Yet it is the Jews who spit on his name today.

RussiaPrussia
03-02-2013, 09:48 PM
The Romanians were worse than the Germans, Soviets were scared more when they heard Romanians rather than Germans. Germans would come through and capture the area, Romanians would destroy everything in front of them.

thats not true romanians were really weak, romanian army got completely demolished in stalingrad. They didnt even got into the city before they were destroyed by Katyusha rockets i have heard in a german docu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Armies_in_the_Battle_of_Stalingrad

from total 281,000 romanians deaths in eastern front died 228,072 in stalingrad

riverman
03-02-2013, 09:58 PM
Jews are not superior, if they had already created their own civilization. They are shrewd, astute race that is not working in their successes, but in the mistakes of others.
Point out the mistakes of others is very easy is not it?

Nowadays "Jewish" means the religion, largely, people are converting to Judaism left and right, is this changing their ethnicity?:....

Pontios
03-02-2013, 10:45 PM
but as an army Romanians were way softer than Germans ;) so maybe they were worse for the local population, but not on the battlefield.

Softer than Germans for sure but what they did to the local people of course was much worse than the Germans. All the food was gone, houses destroyed and looted, people beaten, ect, things that Germans often did not do because they tried to get the people on their side, but of course there were similar things from Germans as well not only Romanians, but not to the same degree.

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 10:52 PM
Softer than Germans for sure but what they did to the local people and to the area they captured was much worse than Germans. All the food was gone, houses destroyed and looted, people beaten, ect, things that Germans often did not do because they tried to get the people on their side, but of course there were similar things from Germans as well not only Romanians, but not to the same degree.

you have illusions if you believe that Germans massively tried to get people to their side. It would be a winning strategy for them, but Hitler's ideas about slavs were beyond such thinking.
Yes, on several occasions Wehrmacht did hire the locals, there was even Vlasov's army, but in many cases the nazi's had completely disregarded the local population.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 11:05 PM
I wonder whether it's due to a brown person's low IQ he cannot fix quotes or whether it's due to his laziness. ;)

You should be a little more sympathetic with this brown person of low IQ, because this person is doing something for his people, even if you do not want.
Is it because of low IQ, laziness or desire to do anal sex?

:rolleyes:

Acquisitor
03-02-2013, 11:06 PM
You should be a little more sympathetic with this brown person of low IQ, because this person is doing something for his people, even if you do not want.
Is it because of low IQ, laziness or desire to do anal sex?

:rolleyes:

you are doing something for your people on this forum.

right ?

did they give you a medal yet ?

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 11:07 PM
Nowadays "Jewish" means the religion, largely, people are converting to Judaism left and right, is this changing their ethnicity?:....


They are not a race, yet.

Andarijo
03-02-2013, 11:09 PM
you are doing something for your people on this forum.

right ?

did they give you a medal yet ?

I do not need. I'm just doing what I think is right. My people?
My people would not be such sheep countryside. I am a visionary. I'm betting that the plans for the NWO, it will not work.

:p

Anglojew
03-03-2013, 02:43 AM
My question still wasn't answered, do Jews see only Germany as a culprit in the Holocaust? Or also other Axis nations too?

Mainly Germans as Italians weren't so bad until the Nazis forced the racial laws I think in 42? Japan was terrible but towards Chinese mainly.

Kazimiera
03-03-2013, 02:53 AM
It is not necessary for the Jews to forgive the people who did this - those individuals who took part in it.

It is unfair and unrealistic to brand an entire nation of people who weren't even alive because of what some grandfathers got up to.

Anglojew
03-03-2013, 02:56 AM
I just want to end the hostility between the two people's as we both need to move on. It's time for closure.

MissProvocateur
03-03-2013, 03:00 AM
Frankly, the nazis were doing a good job bringing Germany back to its feet until towards the end, when Hitler became crazy and started attacking the Jews. The nazi party's original intentions was never "kill al jews" it was to bring Germany to glory, but they didn't use the correct methods.

It was a war, there is no "good guys" or "bad guys", just different points of view. I' tm not saying that the Holocaust didn't happen or wasn't horrible, just that most Germans never saw it coming, and they shouldn't have it rubbed in their fsces now.

randomguy1235
03-03-2013, 03:30 AM
LOL I did'nt claim differently:p
But I think if mulisms in geramny get too large than 1 of these 2 things will happen:
1. Germans will deport them back.
2. Muslim holocaust. Or something resebling that.

Well there's also the possiblity that they will marry with the native germans.



what a PAKI bastard. Stupid pakis.

I'm sure you'd love for scene 2 to occur, wouldn't you...

Virtuous
03-03-2013, 03:45 AM
Hitler wanted Germany to rise again after the humiliation of WWI, only to be humiliated even more after 1945 till 1991, plus the guilt that they still have to carry till these days.

3 mistakes they did:

Mistake jews for juice.

Attack the Soviet Union.

Waste entire arsenal of bombs on Malta.

Kelta
03-03-2013, 04:11 AM
Jews do no allow closure as they keep obsessing and patronizing young or old German people through media and politics. Good grief! They still cry out over Egyptian bondage and expulsion from Spain. How come I don't hear cries from Christian Whites enslaved, 1 million plus, forced to work in North Africa from the 11th-18th centuries? Many early settlers in US are people once persecuted by govts or clergy!! More Christian Whites or civilians have been killed during WW2 than Jews: Polish, Germans/Prussians Lithuanians, Russians, Yugoslavians (former), British and so on -about 30 million non-Jew civilians! It's unjust to hate or curse the descendants or "guilt them" or "shame them" or wish them "dead" as social justice. It's even against our Constitution to punish the descendants of criminals. We're sick of hearing about the Holocaust and now have "deaf ears" to it as the media droned on us for years.

Vasa
03-03-2013, 05:14 AM
Let's see proof that Jews in Europe are responsible for the immigration, rather than conspiracy theories. Why would they want to bring people into Europe who would want to kill them? Seriously.

The massimmigration and multicultural ideas that was spread in political debates in media between the years of 1964-1968 was 39% of all arguments for a multiculturalised Sweden made by jews. Meaning no other people promoted multiculturalism and massimmigration more than the jews did in the years of 1964-1968 - very important political years that changed Sweden and this changing process have since then and yet today kept going on. So. Somewhat, somehow i consider Jews quite. Not entirely. But quite responsible for such semitic ideas as multiculturalism being wide spread in Sweden and Europe.

Thats why Jews have to forget and forgive the Holocoax. They are dividing and conquering among European countries.

Mortimer
03-03-2013, 05:34 AM
I'm just using that as a metaphor. I mean that a German soldier should be proud to wear a German uniform again. A German athlete proud to represent Germany. Germans should be allowed to be patriots. Germans shouldn't be called Nazi's for waving a flag.

who told you that it is not like that? german soldiers do proudly wear their uniform, german athletes are proud of Germany and Germans wave their flag all the time. the only Thing outlawed in Germany is neo-nazism, the same Thing which you condemn.

asingh
03-03-2013, 05:45 AM
if Israel's experience in ME has shown one thing then it's that muslims tend to understand only the language of power in that region, any other language is always being seen as a sign of weakness. Quite tragic for the future of Europe.

In reply to the Pakistani person, your neighbor:

A lot of them are radical / and same with some Muslims here. :( I know a friend who told me once...Yahuddi should never be trusted. I am really not sure why he would say this. He has lived in Delhi all his life, and I doubt he ever met a Jew in his whole life.

Mortimer
03-03-2013, 06:27 AM
In reply to the Pakistani person, your neighbor:

A lot of them are radical / and same with some Muslims here. :( I know a friend who told me once...Yahuddi should never be trusted. I am really not sure why he would say this. He has lived in Delhi all his life, and I doubt he ever met a Jew in his whole life.

you live in Delhi? how is life there?

asingh
03-03-2013, 06:42 AM
you live in Delhi? how is life there?

It will derail this thread, IM. Let me start another "Ask Me...." thread, for this. :)

Here you go, bro:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?72360-AAA-Ask-Asingh-Anything&p=1414703#post1414703

riverman
03-03-2013, 11:12 AM
Never forgive, never forget.

Acquisitor
03-03-2013, 12:51 PM
Never forgive, never forget.

forgive = yes, forget = yes.

the current generations haven't seen the holocaust, however there are still survivors left in Israel, for their sake it's important to keep Yad Vashem opened, but I think the current generations should forgive and forget the sins of the past.

Austo
03-03-2013, 12:54 PM
forgive = yes, forget = yes.

the current generations haven't seen the holocaust, however there are still survivors left in Israel, for their sake it's important to keep Yad Vashem opened, but I think the current generations should forgive and forget the sins of the past.

I dont think i can forgive the jews.

Flintlocke
03-03-2013, 01:00 PM
The Germans killed people that were (and their descendants are) 70% european 30% khazar and have no genetic connection to the middle east. It's time Germans apologize for the right reason because they killed the wrong people, and if both sides accept that truth there will be better dealing between them.

Philo
03-03-2013, 02:10 PM
The Germans killed people that were (and their descendants are) 70% european 30% khazar and have no genetic connection to the middle east. It's time Germans apologize for the right reason because they killed the wrong people, and if both sides accept that truth there will be better dealing between them.
Not even wrong.

...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

Philo
03-03-2013, 02:15 PM
Of course, first, you have an pro semitic agenda here , this is evident.
Second, the historical facts are not disputed. No one disputes that a Soviet was the first man to go into space. But there are speculations as to whether the man had gone to the moon.

If you were a person in the midst of World War II, would hardly unscathed, no dead relatives. The Holocaust the way it is painted:
the poor Jews, innocent and bright once again, are murdered by their European neighbors bad, only because Europeans had deep envy them. The Jews, always the victims of his tormentors Europeans. Pity, always contributing to the culture and economy of their nations.
I do not need to go to the Second World War to try to understand why anti-Semitism. Just pay attention in today's world and their handlers.


Then the envious Nazis decided to kill all European Jews.

As things actually happened. Jews dominated by numerous means, but especially with cunning (not exactly the same as meritocracy) and the use of ethnic networks to promote their, to the detriment of other, native.
Dominated the main bases of a nation: culture, economy and politics, strategically placing their, in positions of power.
Through culture began the transformation of German society through the replacement of national culture by a degenerate culture, based on sexualisation, sexual oddities and unhealthy behavior. By a coincidence of facts or not (I think more likely), contributed significantly to the painful economic situation of Germany in the 20s.
Known as subversive, Jews were kept in quarantine until the mid 30's, when the German government began to encourage their emigration to other countries. Until the beginning of World War II, very few Jews remained in Germany and Austria.
Most revisionists do not deny that Jews have not died in World War II. They deny the hype (war propaganda) committed and scattered about the events. Many Jews died of hunger, disease and even shootings in concentration camps, as well as many other non-Jews.
The Jews are a people and their own ethnocentric culture is so. They dominated key positions of power in the largest economic power, military and political world, the U.S.. They noted that the media would revolutionize modern human society and started to use it to ensure the maintenance of its power, and its elite position in Western nations, especially in the richest.
Are you the user sefardita iberico from anthroscape?
I have a strong feeling that you are. It's so obvious lol.


Islamic golden age is a great 'item' for cultural masturbation, I have seen some extreme examples of it irl. A guy from Uzbekistan for example looked into my eyes and said "do you know that the first ape decided to walk on two feet instead of four near Tashkent" ? his eyes were shining with pride, and I think he must have considered this great fact as a source of national pride which he had the honor to reveal to me, since I was ignorant about that amazing fact before our meeting :\
LOL What an idiot. He's even more idiotic than that romanain guy you talked about before. haha.


My question still wasn't answered, do Jews see only Germany as a culprit in the Holocaust? Or also other Axis nations too?
Obivously Hugnarians were very beastly during world war ii. Bloodthirsty even. LOL. I don't hate normal hungarians today though(the ones that don't vote jobbik).


I was refering to AngloJews posts in the Spanish forum. If you weren't just posting here because your usual forum is hacked, you would know that. :rolleyes2:

There are much more anti-jewish iberians here than anti-iberian jews. You know that very well. Hesperion, Labaru, Ibericus are just 3 names that come to my mind easily.


its actually the germans who should ask themself if they should forgive the jews and not the opposite in these days.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnp0eeks3IE
Like we really give a fuck if you "forgive" us.
And I did'nt watch that video. LOL.


It's time Jews got over their little "holocaust." It has been 60+ years, you have a (illegitimate) country with nuclear weapons, get over it. It is getting a bit annoying now hearing about the holocaust non stop and how we should all feel bad for the Jews, even though the number of some other ethnicities that died in concentration camps is a lot higher. If anything, the only winners of WWII were the Jews, while all of Europe was destroyed, the Jews come up with a new country and start building while the rest of Europe is destroyed and Germany is split into two parts. I do not see anyone else who has won from WWII other than the Jews.

Gish gallop.

The Gish Gallop, named after creationist Duane Gish, is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood in real time. The term was coined by Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education. Sam Harris describes the technique as "starting 10 fires in 10 minutes."
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
JUST STOP WITH THE GISH GALLOP TECHNIQUE GODDAMN IT.


I see you have finally found a reason to be proud of something your nation has done in the past :) congratz

lolz hungarians never achieved much. let him be proud of that.


It is not necessary for the Jews to forgive the people who did this - those individuals who took part in it.

It is unfair and unrealistic to brand an entire nation of people who weren't even alive because of what some grandfathers got up to.
Surprise surprise, many people in these forums blame us as a collective for things that did'nt even happen, or because a few individuals


I'm sure you'd love for scene 2 to occur, wouldn't you...

If me being happy about these events, wil lget the many people here who scream "jews want the muzzies to conquer europe" off my back, than yeah, I would be happy.
:cool:

UncleJohn
03-03-2013, 02:27 PM
The Germans killed people that were (and their descendants are) 70% european 30% khazar and have no genetic connection to the middle east. It's time Germans apologize for the right reason because they killed the wrong people, and if both sides accept that truth there will be better dealing between them.
I don't see the logic of your remark. What did the Germans have against the people of Palestine, i.e. the real Jews?
It's the Khazars (from east of Europe) who were the parasites that the Germans wanted to have thrown out - not Middle-eastern peoples.

Anglojew
03-05-2013, 07:07 AM
The Germans killed people that were (and their descendants are) 70% european 30% khazar and have no genetic connection to the middle east. It's time Germans apologize for the right reason because they killed the wrong people, and if both sides accept that truth there will be better dealing between them.

What the hell are you taking about?

1. You're incorrect about genetics.

2. You're supporting more genocide.

Ignorant nazi, who'd have thought.

Libertas
03-05-2013, 07:20 AM
What the hell are you taking about?

1. You're incorrect about genetics.

2. You're supporting more genocide.

Ignorant nazi, who'd have thought.

The Khazar theory has become a counterpart of Holocaust Denial to some anti-Jewish posters.

European Jews are predominantly of Levantine origin with South Italian, central and eastern European mixture in Ashkenazim and mainly Iberian and Balkan mixture in Sephardim.

Anglojew
03-05-2013, 07:21 AM
I dont think i can forgive the jews.

Funny how when a large number or Jews lived in Austria it was the world centre if the arts, science and literature. Now it's a cultural backwater; just another stop on the American "Disney land" tour of European history.

Moghrob
03-05-2013, 09:49 AM
Funny how when a large number or Jews lived in Austria it was the world centre if the arts, science and literature. Now it's a cultural backwater; just another stop on the American "Disney land" tour of European history.

Vienna is the best city to live in according to Mercer. Austria is one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Much richer than Israel. Austrians have a higher income than Canadians (without tons of ressources to exploit). What are you talking about?

Anglojew
03-05-2013, 11:01 AM
The Khazar theory has become a counterpart of Holocaust Denial to some anti-Jewish posters.

European Jews are predominantly of Levantine origin with South Italian, central and eastern European mixture in Ashkenazim and mainly Iberian and Balkan mixture in Sephardim.


Vienna is the best city to live in according to Mercer. Austria is one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Much richer than Israel. Austrians have a higher income than Canadians (without tons of ressources to exploit). What are you talking about?

Ok so following your logic Israel is a better country than Croatia because its richer.

Flintlocke
03-05-2013, 11:24 AM
What the hell are you taking about?

1. You're incorrect about genetics.

2. You're supporting more genocide.

Ignorant nazi, who'd have thought.

1. You're the one incorrect about genetics, aside from the Sephardics who may have some Levantine origin most Azhkenazi have nothing to do with that area, they simply took it over in a gangster style, very admirable in its own way. Israeli genetics are guilty of academic fraud, they first decided the evidence they wanted to find and went about publishing fake evidence.

2. I don't care about genocide, it will always happen and has always happened because people are predatory creatures.

everyone's an ignorant nazi according to jews, you're living up to negative jewish stereotypes. :p

Philo
03-05-2013, 01:19 PM
1. You're the one incorrect about genetics, aside from the Sephardics who may have some Levantine origin most Azhkenazi have nothing to do with that area, they simply took it over in a gangster style, very admirable in its own way. Israeli genetics are guilty of academic fraud, they first decided the evidence they wanted to find and went about publishing fake evidence.

2. I don't care about genocide, it will always happen and has always happened because people are predatory creatures.

everyone's an ignorant nazi according to jews, you're living up to negative jewish stereotypes. :p

1. Bullshit. Bullshit. And Bullshit.

2. Than you should'nt support it. And if Israel did a genocide on arabs(which it does'nt, btw, otherwise they would'nt be here) you should not be against it.

3.No, not everyone is an ingorant Nazi. Every Jew is a walking stereotype according to you.

Prince Carlo
03-05-2013, 01:21 PM
Libertas the joo!!! BTW Jews score quite a lot on West Asian-Levantine component and are often lumped with Middle Easterners rather than Europeans.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/Figure_S6_zpsf7488d19.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3720/behar2010k10.png

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6292/easterneurojews.png

They actually score much higher Middle Eastern than South Italians from Apulia (Carlantino).

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/images/ejhg2012229f1.jpg

Moghrob
03-05-2013, 01:21 PM
Ok so following your logic Israel is a better country than Croatia because its richer.

Austria is not only rich. Austria´s capital is the world´s no. 1 when it comes to life quality.
http://www.mercer.de/articles/quality-of-living-survey-report-2011

Philo
03-05-2013, 01:25 PM
Libertas the joo!!!

How is he a jew? just because somebody is intelligent and well-versed does'nt make him a jew. We can be stupid too.


BTW Jews score quite a lot on West Asian-Levantine component and are often lumped with Middle Easterners rather than Europeans.
url]http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o21/Kadu_album/Figure_S6_zpsf7488d19.jpg[/url]

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3720/behar2010k10.png

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6292/easterneurojews.png

They actually score much higher Middle Eastern than South Italians from Apulia (Carlantino).

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/images/ejhg2012229f1.jpg


I would'nt take the 3rd picture seriously, it's from Alhaik et al. I agree with the other though.

SkyBurn
03-05-2013, 01:25 PM
Austria is not only rich. Austria´s capital is the world´s no. 1 when it comes to life quality.
http://www.mercer.de/articles/quality-of-living-survey-report-2011

But Melbourne, Australia is #1 in liveability :D

Moghrob
03-05-2013, 01:27 PM
But Melbourne, Australia is #1 in liveability :D

According to what source? Isn´t life quality = liveability?

SkyBurn
03-05-2013, 01:29 PM
According to what source? Isn´t life quality = liveability?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_most_livable_cities#The_EIU.27s_Global_Liv eability_Report

No. They aren't the same.

Moghrob
03-05-2013, 01:32 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_most_livable_cities#The_EIU.27s_Global_Liv eability_Report

No. They aren't the same.

Apparently it is the same. The indexes are published by different organizations, that´s the only difference. EIU has been critisized as being anglo-centric and therefore not neutral (see wiki article).
Anyway, Austria has excellent quality. Even in the anglocentric index Vienna is on place 2. Anglojew´s point about Austria being nothing but a tourist attraction is not valid.

SkyBurn
03-05-2013, 01:34 PM
Apparently it is the same. The indexes are published by different organizations, that´s the only difference. EIU has been critisized as being anglo-centric and therefore not neutral (see wiki article).

I can't take Mercer's survey seriously at all.

Any list which ranks Sydney higher than Melbourne in liveability was compiled by the mentally deficient.

Prince Carlo
03-05-2013, 01:35 PM
I would'nt take the 3rd picture seriously, it's from Alhaik et al. I agree with the other though.

Beyond the fact that they have interferred the near eastern component on inbreed Druzes and Iraqi Jews, it seems pretty much correct to me.


How is he a jew? just because somebody is intelligent and well-versed does'nt make him a jew. We can be stupid too.

He is clearly biased regarding this stuff.

Moghrob
03-05-2013, 01:36 PM
I can't take Mercer's survey seriously at all.

Any list which ranks Sydney higher than Melbourne in liveability was compiled by the mentally deficient.

which probably is your totally unbiased opinion as someone from melbourne ;)

SkyBurn
03-05-2013, 01:40 PM
which probably is your totally unbiased opinion as someone from melbourne ;)

Hahahaha while you raise a fair point, most Australians would agree with me.

Sydney has insane real estate prices, worse water, significantly worse road layout, worse public transport, more cramped, worse food, worse nightlife, worse shopping, and much worse coffee! These are not opinions, this is fact! :D

Moghrob
03-05-2013, 01:44 PM
Hahahaha while you raise a fair point, most Australians would agree with me.

Sydney has insane real estate prices, worse water, significantly worse road layout, worse public transport, more cramped, worse food, worse nightlife, worse shopping, and much worse coffee! These are not opinions, this is fact! :D
haven´t been there... i guess i have to trust you on this...

anyway, forgive the germans! :D

SkyBurn
03-05-2013, 01:46 PM
haven´t been there... i guess i have to trust you on this...

anyway, forgive the germans! :D

Hey, I never had anything against the Germans! The only reason I joined the conversation is because somebody suggested that Vienna is #1 :p

Issy
03-05-2013, 02:32 PM
Forgive yes, forget no.


Hahahaha while you raise a fair point, most Australians would agree with me.

Sydney has insane real estate prices, worse water, significantly worse road layout, worse public transport, more cramped, worse food, worse nightlife, worse shopping, and much worse coffee! These are not opinions, this is fact! :D

I agree with the real estate prices, crampiness in general. What is wrong with the public transport? I can't say much about the rest since I haven't been to Melbourne in a long time. However, I've been told that people in Melbourne are friendlier and hospitable. In Sydney we are much more serious :)

Philo
03-05-2013, 03:40 PM
Beyond the fact that they have interferred the near eastern component on inbreed Druzes and Iraqi Jews, it seems pretty much correct to me.

That's your opinion.


He is clearly biased regarding this stuff.
How so?

Libertas
03-05-2013, 04:02 PM
He is clearly biased regarding this stuff.

You mean like you and your beloved Campanians?
Joseph even criticised Heraus on another site because he chose Campanians who looked too tanned for his photo survey.

Prince Carlo
03-05-2013, 06:11 PM
I forgot that Hearus is God and cannot be criticised. :D

btw Heraus is a not a professional and anyone can cherrypick photos from a Social Network, so his survey is worth my toilet paper.

Libertas
03-05-2013, 06:12 PM
You think YOU are God and can't be criticised.

On-topic, why should Jews forgive the Holocaust?

Prince Carlo
03-05-2013, 06:13 PM
You jelly because we are much whiter than your beloved Jooz.

Libertas
03-05-2013, 06:22 PM
You jelly because we are much whiter than your beloved Jooz.

Italians have the jungle juice too.

Italians are swarthies.

Philo
03-05-2013, 06:41 PM
You think YOU are God and can't be criticised.

On-topic, why should Jews forgive the Holocaust?
Good question. It's not as if I don't forgive means I hold today's germans guilty. I hold today's nazis guilty, most definitely.


You jelly because we are much whiter than your beloved Jooz.

What a rational comment lol. I don't think Libertas is jealous of anything since he's Italian himself.

Austo
03-05-2013, 06:46 PM
Good question. It's not as if I don't forgive means I hold today's germans guilty. I hold today's nazis guilty, most definitely.



What a rational comment lol. I don't think Libertas is jealous of anything since he's Italian himself.

What should germans feel guilty of?
They just tried to save europe from jews.
And you can be shure that nazis dont feel guilty.

Prince Carlo
03-05-2013, 06:52 PM
Italians have the jungle juice too.

Italians are swarthies.

But still much less swarthy than Ashkenazi Jews.

Slycooper
03-05-2013, 06:58 PM
But still much less swarthy than Ashkenazi Jews.

Some Italians no.

Prince Carlo
03-05-2013, 07:05 PM
Only the Sicilians, who are not proper Italians to begin with because they have ancestries that mainlanders lack.

Philo
03-05-2013, 08:39 PM
And you can be shure that nazis dont feel guilty.

Why would nazis feel guilty????
My problem with you idiots is that some of you try to deny it. If you hate us so much than just be proud of it instead of being pussies and covering it with lies. At least you are not like that.


What should germans feel guilty of?
They just tried to save europe from jews.

LOL. FUNNY SHIT. IF EUROPE HAS SUCH A HARD-ON FOR YOU NAZIS, HOW DID THEY GET TO MAKING PROPAGANDA POSTERS LIKE THE ONE IN MY SIGNATURE?

Austo
03-05-2013, 08:49 PM
Why would nazis feel guilty????
My problem with you idiots is that some of you try to deny it. If you hate us so much than just be proud of it instead of being pussies and covering it with lies. At least you are not like that.



LOL. FUNNY SHIT. IF EUROPE HAS SUCH A HARD-ON FOR YOU NAZIS, HOW DID THEY GET TO MAKING PROPAGANDA POSTERS LIKE THE ONE IN MY SIGNATURE?

Nationalists are a minority, and that is because jews control the media.
You could say that most europeans are brainwashed, and dont see what is really going on, because in TV things like multiculturalism, mixing with other races ... is enchouraged.
And dont call me an idiot, you asshole.
You see who started to inslut now :laugh:

Xyresic
03-05-2013, 08:52 PM
Maybe it was part of the plans of Yahweh the genocidal megalomaniac god of the Old Testament.

Philo
03-05-2013, 09:05 PM
Nationalists are a minority, and that is because jews control the media.
lol keep going.. you're just butthurt that people like you are ostracized. Omg look at the pun. LOL.

You could say that most europeans are brainwashed, and dont see what is really going on, because in TV things like multiculturalism, mixing with other races ... is enchouraged.
lol. as if many europeans are really that fond of marrying people of "other races". you know it's not true.

And dont call me an idiot, you asshole.
You see who started to inslut now :laugh:
I did'nt call YOU an idiot. I called naizs idiots. By this token, you could de-nazify yourself and could (Potentailly) not be an idiot. And like I said you are not a holocaust denier so better than many other nazi pussies.
BTW what about the other part of my comment.


Maybe it was part of the plans of Yahweh the genocidal megalomaniac god of the Old Testament.

I doubt that god would go that far and be that interested in the species known as Homo Sapiens.

Szegedist
03-05-2013, 09:08 PM
LOL. FUNNY SHIT. IF EUROPE HAS SUCH A HARD-ON FOR YOU NAZIS, HOW DID THEY GET TO MAKING PROPAGANDA POSTERS LIKE THE ONE IN MY SIGNATURE?

That is a WW1 propaganda poster. Was Germany Nazi also in 1914? I didnt know that,thanks.

Philo
03-05-2013, 09:15 PM
That is a WW1 propaganda poster. Was Germany Nazi also in 1914? I didnt know that,thanks.

so? does'nt really matter. here's a WWII poster:
http://www.crazywebsite.com/Free-Galleries-01/USA_Patriotic/Pictures_WWII_Posters/Vintage_WWII_Patriotic_Posters_United_States_Ameri ca_Nazi_3.jpg
USA was led by WASPS. So it was europeans making posters against germans.

Austo
03-05-2013, 09:16 PM
lol keep going.. you're just butthurt that people like you are ostracized. Omg look at the pun. LOL.

lol. as if many europeans are really that fond of marrying people of "other races". you know it's not true.

I did'nt call YOU an idiot. I called naizs idiots. By this token, you could de-nazify yourself and could (Potentailly) not be an idiot. And like I said you are not a holocaust denier so better than many other nazi pussies.
BTW what about the other part of my comment.



I doubt that god would go that far and be that interested in the species known as Homo Sapiens.


What is a pun??? I dont understand hebrew.

The number of people who marry other races shure got bigger in the last years.

Hahaha, i am not planing to de-nazify

Where have i ever said something about Holocaust? How should you know my opinion on that?
I dont cover anything with lies. I never denied that i hate jews and muslims.

Libertas
03-05-2013, 09:16 PM
But still much less swarthy than Ashkenazi Jews.

Are you joking?

In places like New York the Ashkenazi are paler than South Italians at any rate.

Photos of orthodox Jews are often paler than any Italian group I've seen.

Libertas
03-05-2013, 09:19 PM
There are plenty of Sicilians who are paler than Campanians.

Actually to mention Jews and Campanians in the same post diminishes Jews, whose intellectual achievements over the centuries put South Italians to shame.

The Sicilians have also produced more intellectually than Campanians.

Philo
03-05-2013, 09:22 PM
What is a pun??? I dont understand hebrew.
It's in english. you know the pharse "no pun intended"?
So I said:

lol keep going.. you're just butthurt that people like you are ostracized.
see the pun? I said you're ostracized(if you don't know what that means look it up), which sounds alot like Austracied. That's the pun. pretty funny.

The number of people who marry other races shure got bigger in the last years.
Still, most are'nt fond of that. No need to blame th jews.


Hahaha, i am not planing to de-nazify
Did'nt even ask you. lol. I was just demonstrating how I am not attacking you as a person, like you claimed.


Where have i ever said something about Holocaust? How should you know my opinion on that?
I dont cover anything with lies. I never denied that i hate jews and muslims.
I got the impression you're not a holocaust denier and don't lie about the crimes committed by your people. Which is a good thing, alot of other Nazis are pussies and liers. You're not a holocaust denier right?

Wadaad
03-05-2013, 09:30 PM
If I was German I'd be offended by the wording of your little essay piece. Contemporary Germans should not care whether contemporary jews feel like now's the time to forgive them for political actions their ancestors took (rise of nazism) in retaliation to 'Judea' declaring war on them in 1933. Nor should you shepherd them as if they're cattle into directing their anger elsewhere (muslim immigrants/multiculturalism). The wording of your little piece shows your extreme arrogance ("ok germans, we forgive you...now go hate on the muslims that we brought on you)

Austo
03-05-2013, 09:34 PM
It's in english. you know the pharse "no pun intended"?
So I said:

see the pun? I said you're ostracized(if you don't know what that means look it up), which sounds alot like Austracied. That's the pun. pretty funny.

Still, most are'nt fond of that. No need to blame th jews.


Did'nt even ask you. lol. I was just demonstrating how I am not attacking you as a person, like you claimed.


I got the impression you're not a holocaust denier and don't lie about the crimes committed by your people. Which is a good thing, alot of other Nazis are pussies and liers. You're not a holocaust denier right?


Never heard about that.

If you call saving europe from the jews a crime, then it was a crime. :picard2:
And to your question, i dont deny that jews were killed, but i am proud of that, because like already mentioned it was just to save europe.
But there were far more people from other nations that died, so dont always take the jews so important.

Libertas
03-05-2013, 09:36 PM
Never heard about that.

If you call saving europe from the jews a crime, then it was a crime. :picard2:
And to your question, i dont deny that jews were killed, but i am proud of that, because like already mentioned it was just to save europe.
But there were far more people from other nations that died, so dont always take the jews so important.

Yes, and it was the Nazis who killed millions of these too.

Austo
03-05-2013, 09:47 PM
If I was German I'd be offended by the wording of your little essay piece. Contemporary Germans should not care whether contemporary jews feel like now's the time to forgive them for political actions their ancestors took (rise of nazism) in retaliation to 'Judea' declaring war on them in 1933. Nor should you shepherd them as if they're cattle into directing their anger elsewhere (muslim immigrants/multiculturalism). The wording of your little piece shows your extreme arrogance ("ok germans, we forgive you...now go hate on the muslims that we brought on you)

That arrogance is usual for Jews.

riverman
03-05-2013, 09:58 PM
Those posters prove it, Attila the Hun was German

Anglojew
03-06-2013, 12:44 AM
If I was German I'd be offended by the wording of your little essay piece. Contemporary Germans should not care whether contemporary jews feel like now's the time to forgive them for political actions their ancestors took (rise of nazism) in retaliation to 'Judea' declaring war on them in 1933. Nor should you shepherd them as if they're cattle into directing their anger elsewhere (muslim immigrants/multiculturalism). The wording of your little piece shows your extreme arrogance ("ok germans, we forgive you...now go hate on the muslims that we brought on you)

1. You're not German. What makes you an authority on the German Psyche?

2. Germans are forced to care by the fact that there's been no emotional closure on both sides, that's the point of the essay.

3. Judea declared war on Germany after the Nuremberg laws. A declaration of war doesn't justify the murder of civilians. If it did then America should have murdered a billion Muslims after 911.

4. Unassimimlated Muslims in German are one of the worst social problems today. Ask any German.

5. My essay is not about hating Muslims but about throwing off the shackles of political correctness imposed on Germany since the war in order to force the assimilation and integration of Muslims in Germany.

Prince Carlo
03-06-2013, 06:45 AM
Are you joking?

In places like New York the Ashkenazi are paler than South Italians at any rate.

Photos of orthodox Jews are often paler than any Italian group I've seen.


There are plenty of Sicilians who are paler than Campanians.

Actually to mention Jews and Campanians in the same post diminishes Jews, whose intellectual achievements over the centuries put South Italians to shame.

The Sicilians have also produced more intellectually than Campanians.

So internet photos are more reliable than genetics. Are you finally admitting that you don't believe in science? Heraus is an extremely biased amateur and his surveys are worth my toilet paper.

Sicilians are more Mena shifted than Campanians. (source Di Gaetano et all 2012)
Ashkenazi are more MENA shifted than Apulians. (source Tony Esko et all 2012)

Creative cherrypicking won't change that.


Are you joking?

No I am very serious here and also more cultured than you. Now go stick to your Jews are whiter than white and Heraus is a God threads

Libertas
03-06-2013, 07:13 AM
So speaks the biggest spammer of photos on the web.

South Italians are darker-skinned than many Ashkenazi Jews. Why?
I've observed face to face not like you trawling the internet for ways to confirm your obsessions.


The Di Gaetano and Esko studies are a mess.



Don't put words in my mouth.
Where did I write Heraus was God?

You showed your Campanian obsession when you considered his photos of Campanians too dark for your American (not Italian) taste.

Libertas
03-06-2013, 07:18 AM
Why should the Jews or the Poles and Russians or even the British forgive what the Germans did in WW2 especially the massacres of Jews, Slavs and others.

Anglojew
03-06-2013, 08:51 AM
Why should the Jews or the Poles and Russians or even the British forgive what the Germans did in WW2 especially the massacres of Jews, Slavs and others.

I tried to be very specific. I'm not forgiving the actual Nazis who took part in the war, I'm saying you can't hold today's Germans responsible for the actions of their grandfathers. Germans need to be allowed to be proud of themselves again and not have everyone else "mention the war" continuously.

Libertas
03-06-2013, 10:02 AM
I tried to be very specific. I'm not forgiving the actual Nazis who took part in the war, I'm saying you can't hold today's Germans responsible for the actions of their grandfathers. Germans need to be allowed to be proud of themselves again and not have everyone else "mention the war" continuously.

Agreed, but the Nazi horrors must never be forgotten and if you don't forget it's hard to forgive.

Make no mistake... the Germans still want to be Europe's top dogs.

They failed in 2 world wars so they are trying the political/economic route with some success.

Philo
03-06-2013, 10:08 AM
Never heard about that.
OK


If you call saving europe from the jews a crime, then it was a crime. :picard2:
I clearly disagree with you on the need to "save" europe from jews. let's not argue over it.


And to your question, i dont deny that jews were killed, but i am proud of that, because like already mentioned it was just to save europe.
That's good. Many nazis are pussies and will try to do all they can to deny the holocaust and excuse hitler from his crimes. I see you're not one of them. I prefer nazis like you over the denying scum.


But there were far more people from other nations that died, so dont always take the jews so important.
Who said something else? On almost all my posts I mention the polish and roma(gypsies) genocide. Other people were cruelly murdered by the Krauts as well.


Those posters prove it, Attila the Hun was German
HAHAHA. The way his army behaved, you might be right.;)


Why should the Jews or the Poles and Russians or even the British forgive what the Germans did in WW2 especially the massacres of Jews, Slavs and others.

Agreed.


I tried to be very specific. I'm not forgiving the actual Nazis who took part in the war, I'm saying you can't hold today's Germans responsible for the actions of their grandfathers. Germans need to be allowed to be proud of themselves again and not have everyone else "mention the war" continuously.

Alot of Germans are like Austo here. They are not willing to forgive us for "trying to destry europe".

Prince Carlo
03-06-2013, 11:56 AM
Bla bla bla bla

Now you are throwing ad hominems because you don't have any argument, too much predictable.

Tony Esko and Di Gaetano are 100% ok unlike your biased view.

It's much better if the amateur Heraus sticks to his collections of cherrypicked Euro looking Moroccans and let real science to others.

Anglojew
03-06-2013, 12:02 PM
Agreed, but the Nazi horrors must never be forgotten and if you don't forget it's hard to forgive.

Make no mistake... the Germans still want to be Europe's top dogs.

They failed in 2 world wars so they are trying the political/economic route with some success.

1. No one's forgetting either but Jews need to move on as much as Germans. We need to focus on the positive.

2. Germans ARE Europe's top dogs polically and economically. The UK is even talking about leaving the EU which will only increase this. The whole point of the EU is to become one but it hasn't worked that way instead it's had the exact opposite effect with every little ethnic group now wanting their own country.

3. They are the most powerful due to their larger population and also harder work ethic and the fact that they have managed their economy well eg not moving production offshore but keeping it in Germany and just focusing on keeping their products premium quality.

Acquisitor
03-06-2013, 12:17 PM
3. They are the most powerful due to their larger population and also harder work ethic and the fact that they have managed their economy well eg not moving production offshore but keeping it in Germany and just focusing on keeping their products premium quality.

this.

you can't compare education, culture and work ethics of an average german to an average southern european.. so germany is automatically better and stronger.

kabeiros
03-06-2013, 12:23 PM
you can't compare education, culture and work ethics of an average german to an average southern european.. What about education, culture and work ethics of an average middle eastern Semite??

Acquisitor
03-06-2013, 12:27 PM
What about education, culture and work ethics of an average middle eastern Semite??

what does this have to do with anything in this topic ?

your country went bankrupt due to corruption, laziness, lack of work ethics and low education. an average greek salary should be €200-300. your country has failed in this changing world and scammed the entire Europe out of many billions euro's.

so shifting to the "semite" factor is all you can do ?

Philo
03-06-2013, 12:29 PM
What about education, culture and work ethics of an average middle eastern Semite??

If you're referring to Jews, than I must inform you that jewish work ethic is proabbly better than Greek one. After all, how could so many survive in the harsh Nazi work camps?

Libertas
03-06-2013, 12:48 PM
Now you are throwing ad hominems because you don't have any argument, too much predictable.

Tony Esko and Di Gaetano are 100% ok unlike your biased view.

It's much better if the amateur Heraus sticks to his collections of cherrypicked Euro looking Moroccans and let real science to others.

Your beloved Dodecad shows 1 per cent African for South Italians/Sicilians, 0.9 for Other Italians and even 0.2 for Central Italians. (Zero for Tuscans and North Italians)

Where does that leave your Campanians.

Prince Carlo
03-06-2013, 02:10 PM
Hhahahahahahhaha. Ashkenazim score much more than any Italian there. You are pretty much a failure at whitewashing the Jooz.

BTW Notice that only the Dodecad samples have some SSA. Better to wait for Genome Bloggers to get more samples from peer-reviewed studies.

Libertas
03-06-2013, 02:19 PM
Yes but South Italians and Sicilians have 1pc African just like Ashkenazi and 1.5pc African among Sicilians alone.

Can't you read?

Prince Carlo
03-06-2013, 02:22 PM
Dodecad samples are not reliable. It's better to wait for Genome Bloggers to get more samples from Peer-Reviewed studies. The Carlantino samples would be the best for representing South Italians.

Libertas
03-06-2013, 02:28 PM
Dodecad samples are not reliable. It's better to wait for Genome Bloggers to get more samples from Peer-Reviewed studies. The Carlantino samples would be the best for representing South Italians.

All of a sudden Dodecad is no longer reliable because it shows a small amount of African mixture in South and Central Italians.

Now you are hoping professional surveys which you chose selectively will whitewash Campanians.

LOL

Prince Carlo
03-06-2013, 05:19 PM
It's not representative because 90% of those samples are colonials of dubious origins. I prefer to stick to peer-reviewed studies which sampled only Italians from Italy. It's a matter of personal taste.

P-Chan
03-06-2013, 05:27 PM
It's not representative because 90% of those samples are colonials of dubious origins. I prefer to stick to peer-reviewed studies which sampled only Italians from Italy. It's a matter of personal taste.

The samples are subdivided by nationalities, Italian ones are all people born and living in Italy, I don't realize why they should be Italian-Americans.
And what's that 90%? Do you have any sources which demonstrate what you say?

riverman
03-06-2013, 05:33 PM
But still much less swarthy than Ashkenazi Jews.

That's not accurate. No way.

Libertas
03-06-2013, 05:59 PM
It's not representative because 90% of those samples are colonials of dubious origins. I prefer to stick to peer-reviewed studies which sampled only Italians from Italy. It's a matter of personal taste.

But you are a colonial of dubious origin (from Brooklyn?).

All of a sudden you hate Dodecad because it shows South and Central Italians have (a little) SS African mixture.

Libertas
03-06-2013, 06:01 PM
That's not accurate. No way.

I would like your American take on this.

Surely Ashkenazi Jews are often paler than the generality of South Italians in the USA.

riverman
03-06-2013, 06:03 PM
I would like your American take on this.

Surely Ashkenazi Jews are often paler than the generality of South Italians in the USA.

I'm no 'expert' here but I would say so, yes.

Anglojew
03-06-2013, 10:51 PM
I would like your American take on this.

Surely Ashkenazi Jews are often paler than the generality of South Italians in the USA.

Italian-American

29604

Jewish-American

29605

Pretty close actually.

Philo
03-07-2013, 09:45 AM
Italian-American

29604

Jewish-American

29605

Pretty close actually.

That kinda looks like an ethiopian jew. Probably because of the bad quality of the photo.

Prince Carlo
03-07-2013, 01:03 PM
But you are a colonial of dubious origin (from Brooklyn?).

You ask a Mod to show my IP if you wish.


All of a sudden you hate Dodecad because it shows South and Central Italians have (a little) SS African mixture.

Dodecad is ok, but their samples are random people who have uploaded their raw genetic data in the project. There is no certainty that those samples are 100% natives, so they are not reliable. Simple as that.

It's better to stick to peer reviewed studies which have tested only natives from Italy and have checked their ancestry. And only a ignorant person cannot see that South Italians from Apulia are much whiter than the Ashkenazi Jews.

Libertas
03-07-2013, 01:40 PM
You ask a Mod to show my IP if you wish.



Dodecad is ok, but their samples are random people who have uploaded their raw genetic data in the project. There is no certainty that those samples are 100% natives, so they are not reliable. Simple as that.

It's better to stick to peer reviewed studies which have tested only natives from Italy and have checked their ancestry. And only a ignorant person cannot see that South Italians from Apulia are much whiter than the Ashkenazi Jews.

Or a blind person cannot see that Ashkenazi have more pale people and redheads than South Italians.

Libertas
03-07-2013, 01:43 PM
Back on topic, Germany should have a Holocaust Memorial in every city and sizeable town to remind the so-cultured Christian Germans what their ancestors did to millions of Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, French, Italians and others.

Austo
03-07-2013, 02:08 PM
Back on topic, Germany should have a Holocaust Memorial in every city and sizeable town to remind the so-cultured Christian Germans what their ancestors did to millions of Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, French, Italians and others.

:rotfl:

Then we might as well put in every turkish city a memorial of all the people who were killed because of ottomans.
We might as well just put in every city in the whole world a memorial. :loco:

Grenzland
03-07-2013, 02:11 PM
BTW I think I saw somewhere that 1 in 20 Germans is a nazi. LOL

I saw somewhere that 21 in 15 Jews eat little babies. LOL

I can't prove it but I also want to be a good and "funny" troll like Herod the "Special".

Heart of Oak
03-07-2013, 02:17 PM
Jews can F**k off an die:::::::

Methusalem
03-07-2013, 02:19 PM
I saw somewhere that 21 in 15 Jews eat little babies. LOL

I can't prove it but I also want to be a good and "funny" troll like Herod the "Special".

Yes only a Nutzi is able to say such mathematically impossible and illogical things. Ordinary people are just to smart for that.

Libertas
03-07-2013, 02:20 PM
:rotfl:

Then we might as well put in every turkish city a memorial of all the people who were killed because of ottomans.
We might as well just put in every city in the whole world a memorial. :loco:

I don't remember the Ottomans setting up huge numbers of death camps or killing so many millions in Europe as the Nazis did in just a few years (mainly 1941 to 1945).

The topic is the Holocaust carried out by the Nazis(if you are squeamish about the word "German" in this context).

You are not the brightest apfel strudel in the cafe', are you?

Grenzland
03-07-2013, 02:20 PM
For me it would be awkward if my complete identity would be crying about what happened to me!

I'm serious, I will maybe never understand this.

Grenzland
03-07-2013, 02:21 PM
I don't remember the Ottomans setting up huge numbers of death camps or killing so many millions in Europe as the Nazis did in just a few years (mainly 1941 to 1945).

The topic is the Holocaust carried out by the Nazis(if you are squeamish about the word "German" in this context)

And then? What would this help?

Grenzland
03-07-2013, 02:22 PM
Yes only a Nutzi is able to say such mathematically impossible and illogical things. Ordinary people are just to smart for that.

Are you really that stupid? It was a joke! :picard2:

Austo
03-07-2013, 02:27 PM
I don't remember the Ottomans setting up huge numbers of death camps or killing so many millions in Europe as the Nazis did in just a few years (mainly 1941 to 1945).

The topic is the Holocaust carried out by the Nazis(if you are squeamish about the word "German" in this context).

You are not the brightest apfel strudel in the cafe', are you?

The ottomans killed whole cities.
Hitler defendet europe against jews, wich is a good thing.

And by the way, we can also put millions of memorials in italy to remind you how many people you killed thousands of years ago.
You are really a funny figure.

Methusalem
03-07-2013, 02:28 PM
Are you really that stupid? It was a joke! :picard2:

In my book, saying 21 out of 15, is a clear sign of stupidity. Don't try to hide your lack of primary education with allegedly intended irony.

Methusalem
03-07-2013, 02:31 PM
Hitler defendet europe against jews, wich is a good thing.


Yes killing millions of innocent people is called 'defending'.

Libertas
03-07-2013, 02:31 PM
The ottomans killed whole cities.
Hitler defended europe against jews, wich is a good thing.

And by the way, we can also put millions of memorials in italy to remind you how many people you killed thousands of years ago.
You are really a funny figure.
Victimised Jews more like.

The Romans were pagans living in antiquity who did not know any better when it came to human rights.

Modern Germans were arrogantly proud of their "superior" scientific and philosophical culture and their Christianity and yet they started two World Wars and butchered MILLIONS in modern times.

Austo
03-07-2013, 02:33 PM
Yes killing millions of innocent people is called 'defending'.

Be innocent in your country. go to israel or usa.

Libertas
03-07-2013, 02:35 PM
Be innocent in your country. go to israel or usa.

Are you proud of that demented loser and fellow Austrian, Hitler?

Austo
03-07-2013, 02:36 PM
Victimised Jews more like.

The Romans were pagans living in antiquity who did not know any better when it came to human rights.

Modern Germans were arrogantly proud of their "superior" scientific and philosophical culture and their Christianity and yet they started two World Wars and butchered MILLIONS in modern times.

ww1 was started because Austrian-Hungarian Kaiser was killed genious.
Time makes no difference to what they did. And they didnt do it to defend themselves.

Sultan Suleiman
03-07-2013, 02:36 PM
Who gives a damn what Jews think about them?

The more they hate you, the more likely you are right (unless you are a Njemac).

Austo
03-07-2013, 02:37 PM
Are you proud of that demented loser and fellow Austrian, Hitler?

You are a jew :picard2: am i right.
Yes i am proud of Hitler.

Libertas
03-07-2013, 02:38 PM
ww1 was started because Austrian-Hungarian Kaiser was killed genious.
Time makes no difference to what they did. And they didnt do it to defend themselves.

If Kaiser Bill had not stuck his oar in there would have been a local Austrian-Serbian war at worst not WW1 caused by Germans invading NEUTRAL Belgium to attack France.

Libertas
03-07-2013, 02:39 PM
You are a jew :picard2: am i right.
Yes i am proud of Hitler.

I'm not a Jew but much better a Jew than a Nazi.

Hitler was a LOSER who brought ruin and foreign occupation to Germany.

Grenzland
03-07-2013, 02:39 PM
In my book, saying 21 out of 15, is a clear sign of stupidity. Don't try to hide your lack of primary education with allegedly intended irony.

Ok... you are so right! :rotfl

Austo
03-07-2013, 02:41 PM
If Kaiser Bill had not stuck his oar in there would have been a local Austrian-Serbian war at worst not WW1 caused by Germans invading NEUTRAL Belgium to attack France.

it would have been an war: Serbia against Austria-Hungaria, but both have allies, and the only one whos fault it is that ww1 started is the one who killed the Kaiser.

Austo
03-07-2013, 02:42 PM
I'm not a Jew but much better a Jew than a Nazi.

Hitler was a LOSER who brought ruin and foreign occupation to Germany.

I think that you are a loser, infected with the jewish media.

Methusalem
03-07-2013, 02:44 PM
I think that you are a loser, infected with the jewish media.

That's everything Nutzis have. Talking about 'Jewish agenda influencing Western media'. The point is: You guys are brainwashed by your Nutzi ideology. Case closed.

Libertas
03-07-2013, 02:45 PM
:picard1:

Serbia bent over backwards to appease Austria-Hungary after Franz Ferdinand's assassination at Sarajevo.

The German Emperor Wilhelm II encouraged the Austrians to declare war on Serbia. There was no decisive proof that Princip and the other assassins were sent by the Serbian government.

Grenzland
03-07-2013, 02:46 PM
That's everything Nutzis have. Talking about 'Jewish agenda influencing Western media'. The point is: You guys are brainwashed by your Nutzi ideology. Case closed.

He also called you a looser and I have the same impression of you. :)

Austo
03-07-2013, 02:48 PM
:picard1:

Serbia bent over backwards to appease Austria-Hungary after Franz Ferdinand's assassination at Sarajevo.

The German Emperor Wilhelm II encouraged the Austrians to declare war on Serbia. There was no decisive proof that Princip and the other assassins were sent by the Serbian government.

It does not change that the Kaiser was killed by an serbian.

Libertas
03-07-2013, 02:51 PM
It does not change that the Kaiser was killed by an serbian.

It was the Archduke Franz Ferdinand who was killed, not any Kaiser.

You don't know your own history. LOL

Methusalem
03-07-2013, 02:56 PM
It was the Archduke Franz Ferdinand who was killed, not any Kaiser.

You don't know your own history. LOL

What did you expect from a Nutzi? Being a history professor at Yale University?

Austo did not even know Hugo Chavez till his medial death note.

Austo
03-07-2013, 02:57 PM
What did you expect from a Nutzi? Being a history professor at Yale University?

Austo did not even know Hugo Chavez till his medial death note.

:bored::zzz

Grenzland
03-07-2013, 03:07 PM
Newest Antifa tactic: Bore nationalists to death! :D