Why Irish fought for Mexicans against yankees?

[pinguino]

During the invasion of Mexico by the U.S. there was a group of Irish soldiers that left the U.S. army and fought for Mexico. They are known as the San Patricios, or Saint Patrick Battalion. Why they changed side? Because Irish found out who were really the good and bad guys in that war, and the bad guys, the criminals and inmorals, the slave promoters, and genocidal, weren't Mexicans but those that carried a flag with stripes and stars.

http://images.coveralia.com/audio/t/The_Chieftains_y_Ry_Cooder-San_Patricio-CD.jpg

http://batallondesanpatricio.com/images/paloalto.jpg

http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/assets/artwork01/Artists/The-Chieftains-featuring-Ry-Cooder/HRM-31321-02/San-Patricio-Cover-Art-Lo.jpg

And Mexican have not forgotten theirs Irish heroes!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiogUx5h28c

[pinguino]

Mexicans still remember them in the most curious ways.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsdNnPHqGug&feature=endscreen&NR=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KvswKwHYos

[Smaug]

This is a song I like very much that tells a little about the Irish fighting for Mexicans in the Battle of Churubusco:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ux05qErSf4

[Gauthier]

There is a very good movie called ''One Man's Hero'' that covers this topic. I highly recommend it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwZkGr993uU

[American_Hispanist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JwjceS5HLg

This song is from the actor that played John Riley of the movie R5 posted.

[American_Hispanist]

During the invasion of Mexico by the U.S. there was a group of Irish soldiers that left the U.S. army and fought for Mexico. They are known as the San Patricios, or Saint Patrick Battalion. Why they changed side? Because Irish found out who were really the good and bad guys in that war, and the bad guys, the criminals and inmorals, the slave promoters, and genocidal, weren't Mexicans but those that carried a flag with stripes and stars.

And Mexican have not forgotten theirs Irish heroes!

They fought because the Americans were exactly like their Anglo cousins in Europe, trying to steal Catholic land, mistreating Catholics, and they wanted to be treated equally. The Irish/Italians are the immigrant group that's most similar to Mexicans in the way we have been treated by the Anglos and in culture, and it's no surprise that some of them joined to fight on the Mexican side,

[Vesuvian Sky]

Yes, Yes this is about the Irish brigade led by Riley who defected. Reasons can be clearly illustrated for defection via Martin Scorcese's "Gangs of New York" movie. When "Patty" got off the boat from Ireland, he was given a gun and told to go fight for the Union. Other times, the Irish were treated like flat out slaves/black people by the Nativists of NY and elsewhere in the states during that time. Plus, they were Catholics and that was a minus.

Since Mexico had Catholic culture, naturally they embraced the Irish. Still is a significant Irish contingent in Mexico today. But the Irish rose to prominence in the States cause they were persistent and fighters at heart. Everyone had to fight in America for their own piece. And most got it one way or another.

[Oneeye]

A lot of good it did them, they lost and were hung for treason.

[Gauthier]

A lot of good it did them, they lost and were hung for treason.

At least they died fighting for their ideals and dignity and not for a country that treated them as second class people.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3220/wakesnoirish.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/wakesnoirish.jpg/)


Honor for these brave men.
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1729/placaconmemorativabatal.jpg (http://img805.imageshack.us/i/placaconmemorativabatal.jpg/)

[Oneeye]

At least they died fighting for their ideals and dignity and not for a country that treated them as second class people.


They died because Mexico wouldn't accept Texas' secession. It took two lost wars for that to happen.

[pinguino]

A lot of good it did them, they lost and were hung for treason.

That's show how the "land of freedom" and "justice" behaves. They weren't traitors, given they weren't Americans in the first place! What a barbaric and shameful past has the U.S.!!

[Smaug]

That's show how the "land of freedom" and "justice" behaves. They weren't traitors, given they weren't Americans in the first place! What a barbaric and shameful past has the U.S.!!

They weren't Americans but they joined the US Army, so from the moment they deserted and started fighting for the US enemies they were traitors.

[RussiaPrussia]

They fought because the Americans were exactly like their Anglo cousins in Europe, trying to steal Catholic land, mistreating Catholics, and they wanted to be treated equally. The Irish/Italians are the immigrant group that's most similar to Mexicans in the way we have been treated by the Anglos and in culture, and it's no surprise that some of them joined to fight on the Mexican side,

dude dont compare religion in europe to america. In europe the Catholics ethnically cleansed evangelics in france. We had a 30 years war in germany started by catholics because they couldnt except evangelism and the reform by martin luther.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

[pinguino]

They weren't Americans but they joined the US Army, so from the moment they deserted and started fighting for the US enemies they were traitors.

Technicalities. After all, the U.S. is a country founded in lies. The U.S. was a country of freedom full of slaves, a country that practiced genocide, and that still today is full of lies... So, no wonder decent soldiers decided they were fighting at the wrong side.

[Smaug]

Technicalities. After all, the U.S. is a country founded in lies. The U.S. was a country of freedom full of slaves, a country that practiced genocide, and that still today is full of lies... So, no wonder decent soldiers decided they were fighting at the wrong side.

Welcome to Humandom, population: 7 Billion.

[Bobby Six Killer]

Technicalities. After all, the U.S. is a country founded in lies. The U.S. was a country of freedom full of slaves, a country that practiced genocide, and that still today is full of lies... So, no wonder decent soldiers decided they were fighting at the wrong side.

I think Spanish colonies were more cool

[Baluarte]

US got their independence for pure commercial reasons. Money money money

Hispanic America was cut from the Spanish Empire to benefit the UK.
Remember all the treacherous leaders of the Independence were Freemasons that were financed by London to weaken Spain.

[American_Hispanist]

They died because Mexico wouldn't accept Texas' secession. It took two lost wars for that to happen.

why should a country accept land being taken from a bunch of invaders?

[American_Hispanist]

dude dont compare religion in europe to america. In europe the Catholics ethnically cleansed evangelics in france. We had a 30 years war in germany started by catholics because they couldnt except evangelism and the reform by martin luther.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

here in the US, Protestants have discriminated against Catholics (have you heard of NINA sings?), actively tried to restrict catholic immigration, prohibited people from getting certain positions of government because of religion, and have lynched people because of religion. don't fucking open your mouth without knowing your shit. you have a habit of opening your mouth and writing garbage that can't be backed all because of your emotions. that's not a man thing, that's a thing of a woman. and who wouldn't blame those catholics for fighting those Protestants, I most certainly wouldn't say anything to them fighting Protestants when Protestants did lots of shit to Catholics as well. Why else do you think in Ireland, Catholics can't trust protestants, and vice versa.

[American_Hispanist]

I think Spanish colonies were more cool

Spanish colonies loved to fuck indian wimminz instead of white wimminz. :D

[Oneeye]

why should a country accept land being taken from a bunch of invaders?

Is that how you view immigrants? ;)

[Graham]

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1729/placaconmemorativabatal.jpg

William Wallace back from the dead, with his limbs back together. Ready to fight for Mexico. :eek::scratch:

[American_Hispanist]

Is that how you view immigrants? ;)

Anglo immigrants to Texas violated the agreements they made with the Mexican government. I have no problem with immigration but I have a problem with breaking agreements, of which, Anglos have a habit of doing that (they did the same with the injuns of the central plains).

[American_Hispanist]

William Wallace back from the dead, with his limbs back together. Ready to fight for Mexico. :eek::scratch:

lol. I gues that's the reason why I support Scottish independence. :D

[Graham]

lol. I gues that's the reason why I support Scottish independence. :D

Wallace is dead again though. lol

By the way, Is there a larger list of names who fought for Mexico? Reason being, half of the surnames on that memorial, aren't even Irish Catholic names. But Protestant.

[Han Cholo]

Wallace is dead again though. lol

By the way, Is there a larger list of names who fought for Mexico? Reason being, half of the surnames on that memorial, aren't even Irish Catholic names. But Protestant.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/IrishSoldiersChurubuscoDF.JPG

[pinguino]

Wallace is dead again though. lol

By the way, Is there a larger list of names who fought for Mexico? Reason being, half of the surnames on that memorial, aren't even Irish Catholic names. But Protestant.

Could you explain that in more detail. That's interesting! Most Irish are catholic, anyways.

[Graham]

Yes, defiantly a few non-Catholic names. My own name 'Little' is on the list & another English member here, 'Jackson'. Although these names are linked with the Scots-Irish. Protestant Ulster & Northern Ireland.

[RussiaPrussia]

here in the US, Protestants have discriminated against Catholics (have you heard of NINA sings?), actively tried to restrict catholic immigration, prohibited people from getting certain positions of government because of religion, and have lynched people because of religion. don't fucking open your mouth without knowing your shit. you have a habit of opening your mouth and writing garbage that can't be backed all because of your emotions. that's not a man thing, that's a thing of a woman. and who wouldn't blame those catholics for fighting those Protestants, I most certainly wouldn't say anything to them fighting Protestants when Protestants did lots of shit to Catholics as well. Why else do you think in Ireland, Catholics can't trust protestants, and vice versa.

you were the one who generalized, Ireland is just an exception but everywhere else in europe evangelics and orthodox suffered under catholic hostility. I posted the 30 years war where wasnt it backed up?

here its about the french huguenots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_Massacre

youre just a mad cow

[American_Hispanist]

you were the one who generalized, Ireland is just an exception but everywhere else in europe evangelics and orthodox suffered under catholic hostility. I posted the 30 years war where wasnt it backed up?

Protestants aren't evangelicals. they are heretics. and again, why are you telling me about Catholic hostility. to this day, Catholics don't view Protestants very highly. and in fact, both sides did stupid shit to each other. each one was insecure about the other.


here its about the french huguenots

Now, Huguenots were genocided, that I do agree.



youre just a mad cow

and you are a moron who thinks that Ruskie men are lusted by western euro women, and that Ruskies are whiter than Southern euros.

[Graham]

Another thing I'd like to point out, the band are wearing the Scottish kilts & not the Saffron Kilt found in Irish regiments of the British Army. Kilts in General, aren't Irish.

The Bagpipes are also Scots ones & not Irish.

Americans like in Boston, make the exact same mistake. So we'll forgive. :P

Saffron Irish.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Irish_Army_Pipe_Band.jpg/800px-Irish_Army_Pipe_Band.jpg

[Oneeye]

Anglo immigrants to Texas violated the agreements they made with the Mexican government. I have no problem with immigration but I have a problem with breaking agreements, of which, Anglos have a habit of doing that (they did the same with the injuns of the central plains).

LOL, invader, immigrant... potato, patahto right?

Mexico was a new country, and yet not without corruption. There were several reasons that the Texans fought for sovereignty, so lets drop the victim of shifty Anglos crap.

How about a quote from Santa Anna, that I found on Wikipedia :D:

"Say to Mr. Poinsett that it is very true that I threw up my cap for liberty with great ardor, and perfect sincerity, but very soon found the folly of it. A hundred years to come my people will not be fit for liberty. They do not know what it is, unenlightened as they are, and under the influence of a Catholic clergy, a despotism is the proper government for them, but there is no reason why it should not be a wise and virtuous one."
(Emphasis added)

[Oneeye]

here in the US, Protestants have discriminated against Catholics (have you heard of NINA sings?), actively tried to restrict catholic immigration, prohibited people from getting certain positions of government because of religion, and have lynched people because of religion. don't fucking open your mouth without knowing your shit. you have a habit of opening your mouth and writing garbage that can't be backed all because of your emotions. that's not a man thing, that's a thing of a woman. and who wouldn't blame those catholics for fighting those Protestants, I most certainly wouldn't say anything to them fighting Protestants when Protestants did lots of shit to Catholics as well. Why else do you think in Ireland, Catholics can't trust protestants, and vice versa.

http://historymyths.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/myth-82-signs-saying-no-irish-need-apply-were-common/

http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm

[American_Hispanist]

http://historymyths.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/myth-82-signs-saying-no-irish-need-apply-were-common/

http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm


Conclusion: The Irish Catholics faced discrimination. “No Irish Need Apply” newspaper advertisements existed. Workplace signs were not common, but Irish were effectively barred from “better”occupations and shunted into low-paying factory work and domestic service.

[RussiaPrussia]

and you are a moron who thinks that Ruskie men are lusted by western euro women, and that Ruskies are whiter than Southern euros.

what has that to do now? but ok


here you can see french and japanese women want russian men

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m8oR_zB02CM



http://shrani.si/f/1h/kN/180oNoSu/europe-eyes4.png

[American_Hispanist]

LOL, invader, immigrant... potato, patahto right?

Mexico was a new country, and yet not without corruption. There were several reasons that the Texans fought for sovereignty, so lets drop the victim of shifty Anglos crap.

How about a quote from Santa Anna, that I found on Wikipedia :D:

"Say to Mr. Poinsett that it is very true that I threw up my cap for liberty with great ardor, and perfect sincerity, but very soon found the folly of it. A hundred years to come my people will not be fit for liberty. They do not know what it is, unenlightened as they are, and under the influence of a Catholic clergy, a despotism is the proper government for them, but there is no reason why it should not be a wise and virtuous one."
(Emphasis added)

If a bunch of Mexicans decided that they would like to get Texas, California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado to join Mexico, what would you do?

[American_Hispanist]

what has that to do now? but ok


here you can see french and japanese women want russian men

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m8oR_zB02CM



http://shrani.si/f/1h/kN/180oNoSu/europe-eyes4.png

So, a video proves that Western european want russian men. if that's the case, then this video proves that white men lust after black women.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdKgIhCyLA

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. white men have jungle fever.

[Graham]

The “No Irish Need Apply” thing.

Irish would have been treat similar, to that of today's Mexican migrants to the US. Stereotypical jokes about the large migrant incomers & the usual, "they're taking our jobs" treatment from locals.

[Oneeye]

If a bunch of Mexicans decided that they would like to get Texas, California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado to join Mexico, what would you do?

I wouldn't have to do anything, and if they have the capability and the self perceived right to do it then what is stopping them from doing it right now?

[Oneeye]

The point is that the "NINA" signs were vastly exaggerated, not that the Irish were or weren't discriminated against.

[American_Hispanist]

The point is that the "NINA" signs were vastly exaggerated, not that the Irish were or weren't discriminated against.

NINA signs were part of the discrimination, not THE MODE OF discrimination.

[Oneeye]

NINA signs were part of the discrimination, not THE MODE OF discrimination.

Whatever, singling out "NINA signs" when they were uncommon vs other forms of discrimination which were prevalent is misleading.

[RussiaPrussia]

So, a video proves that Western european want russian men. if that's the case, then this video proves that white men lust after black women.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdKgIhCyLA

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. white men have jungle fever.

in my thread i actually showed a link where it says a survey who asked 10000 women said that russian men are the third most Favorited of 12 big countries, brazil shares same place only italy and america were above.

[American_Hispanist]

in my thread i actually showed a link where it says a survey who asked 10000 women said that russian men are the third most Favorited of 12 big countries, brazil shares same place only italy and america were above.
link to the article?

[American_Hispanist]

Whatever, singling out "NINA signs" when they were uncommon vs other forms of discrimination which were prevalent is misleading.

I put NINA signs as an example of discrimination against Irish people, not as the only one.

[Vasconcelos]

Speaking of "No Irish Need Apply", here's an interesting article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076

[Graham]

Speaking of "No Irish Need Apply", here's an interesting article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076

Has to be a wild exaggeration somewhere. Or a distortion of fact over time.

Cromwell is not a nice guy & a genocidal dictator. But is still held as a hero to the English. Has several statues, including one built in 1899, at the British Parliament.

http://www.bugbog.com/images/galleries/london-pictures/various-700/oliver-cromwell-statue.jpg

Top 100 Britain's voted in 2002 BBC. Cromwell at number 10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Greatest_Britons

[RussiaPrussia]

link to the article?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?72038-Western-Women-want-Russian-Men#1

so you didnt even read the first post in my thread ?

[pinguino]

What this crap has to do with the topic?

[Sonboy]

Even a irish govern mexico, Alvaro Obregon Real lastname was O'brien

[Han Cholo]

Even a irish govern mexico, Alvaro Obregon Real lastname was O'brien

Last Viceroy of New Spain, was also Irish and called Juan O'Donohue.

[Grumpy Cat]

Irish are Catholic, Mexicans are Catholic too?

[Sonboy]

I think irish were more identify with mexican than with Americans (English and Germans), because the are catholic too


Grumpy Cat yes

Does anyone know where are exactly the Irish immigrants in mexico ?
I only found this


Today, there are roughly between 300,000 and 600,000 Irish-descendants living in Mexico City, and the Northern region of the country, where Irish last names such as Bay, Lamport, Byrne, Walsh, Foley, Hayes, and O'Leary are common, especially in the states of Sonora, Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon, and Durango.


Regions with significant populations
Mexico City, followed by Chihuahua, Sonora, Durango, Nuevo León, Jalisco and Baja California.

[pinguino]

Last Viceroy of New Spain, was also Irish and called Juan O'Donohue.

The last "Spanish" Governor of Chile was also Irish. He was Ambrosio O'Higgins.

http://codigopgt.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/2_ambrosio.jpg

[Grumpy Cat]

Irish settled heavily in Catholic areas of the Americas. Latin America and Quebec.

[American_Hispanist]

Irish settled heavily in Catholic areas of the Americas. Latin America and Quebec.

grumpy cats are everywhere, just like Irish and French ppl. :D

[Sonboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JwjceS5HLg