Are Adygei white and European enough?

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[♥ Lily ♥]

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So cute.

[gültekin]

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khablaga sigosh, tıde wushısha?

[altin]

Good looking people. What are their main haplogroups?

[gültekin]

Good looking people. What are their main haplogroups?
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Adyghe/default.aspx?section=yresults

[Mad Unit]

khablaga sigosh, tıde wushısha?

Kawkaz.

[Rumata]

Voted white but not European (culturally). Culturally Agyghe are Caucasian. I agree with messages of Sarmatian, Illancha and nart87.
People in the pictures are mostly representative, but a few look mixed and this one in my opinion hardly looks an Adyghe:
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1412611791/83979b47/6567368.jpg

[Shepherd]

Of course they are European and white.

You could say that they are not European culturally because of Islam though, but I don't think that disqualifies them

[Rumata]

I think the Adyghe identify themselves with Caucasus more than with Europe. As probably all native Caucasian peoples do. It could be different if Europe were a bit closer to Caucasus though. :D Euro American, is it different with Georgians?
But if the choice between Europe and Asia is given, almost all of them consider themselves more European than Asian. Proof (https://vk.com/topic-47071_23938927).

[Shepherd]

I think the Adyghe identify themselves with Caucasus more than with Europe. As probably all native Caucasian peoples do. It could be different if Europe were a bit closer to Caucasus though. :D Euro American, is it different with Georgians?
But if the choice between Europe and Asia is given, almost all of them consider themselves more European than Asian. Proof (https://vk.com/topic-47071_23938927).

The Caucasus proper is geographically in Europe

Yeah, people from the Caucasus of course consider themselves Caucasians first, just as Russians consider themselves Russian before European and the Albanian friends I have identify as Balkan first, then European, its only natural for most people I would assume

[interes]

I think the Adyghe identify themselves with Caucasus more than with Europe. As probably all native Caucasian peoples do. It could be different if Europe were a bit closer to Caucasus though. :D Euro American, is it different with Georgians?
But if the choice between Europe and Asia is given, almost all of them consider themselves more European than Asian. Proof (https://vk.com/topic-47071_23938927).
Circassians look like more west georgians than chechens or some northern caucasians i think so

[Wadaad]

right smack in he middle between Turks and Bosniaks in terms of whiteness...

[Alchemysta]

One thing i know is that ButlerKing is pure white.

[welp]

right smack in he middle between Turks and Bosniaks in terms of whiteness...

remember bro, bosnians don't look balkan even though they're right in the middle of the region

[Wadaad]

remember bro, bosnians don't look balkan even though they're right in the middle of the region

Always found that to be weird...what's the reason for their pseudo Baltid looks

[welp]

Always found that to be weird...what's the reason for their pseudo Baltid looks

Bosniak loremasters loremaster'd hard on the internet and their phenotypes turned from albo-serb to lithuanian.

[Rumata]

The Caucasus proper is geographically in Europe

Yeah, people from the Caucasus of course consider themselves Caucasians first, just as Russians consider themselves Russian before European and the Albanian friends I have identify as Balkan first, then European, its only natural for most people I would assume
Yes, geographically Caucasus is in Europe, but it's so distant from its centre that historically Caucasian peoples had quite few contacts with European peoples while most European peoples interacted with each other almost non-stop. That's why to be a 'European' for a Caucasian means significantly less than say for a Central European, and for some of them probably nothing.
But I agree with you about the fact that Europe is far from homogeneous.


Circassians look like more west georgians than chechens or some northern caucasians i think so
There're Abkhazians between Adyghe and Georgians too.

[Wadaad]

Bosniak loremasters loremaster'd hard on the internet and their phenotypes turned from albo-serb to lithuanian.

:lol:

[Neon Knight]

Genetically they seem to be on a similar plane to Ashkenazis, so we can say they are 75% European.

[Foxy]

Looking at them I think that the west Asian component in Italians must be from them.
I believe that a western european individual mixing with an Adyghe would probably give some Italian looking person.
:writing_thinking:

I consider them white but not Europeans, since I don't think they have much European culture (although I don't know them well).

[Danishmend]

Looking at them I think that the west Asian component in Italians must be from them.
I believe that a western european individual mixing with an Adyghe would probably give some Italian looking person.
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Nope. A western european individual mixing with a Samaritan (Levantine) would do that.

Near Eastern component in South Europeans is neolithic and Levantine-like. It should be classified as east med, not as West Asian if you ask me. "West Asia" has high levels of Ancient North Eurasian admixture which was completely absent among neolithic farmers.

[Your Albo Master]

ENF is not native of the Levant.

Early Neolitich Farmers were G2a carriers, and that haplogroup's highes diversity is in South Caucasus.

Late Neolitich Farmers were J1 and J2 carriers and again those haplogroups originated from South Caucasus.

[Longbowman]

ENF is not native of the Levant.

Early Neolitich Farmers were G2a carriers, and that haplogroup's highes diversity is in South Caucasus.

Late Neolitich Farmers were J1 and J2 carriers and again those haplogroups originated from South Caucasus.

ENF is pretty much the same as the stuff that's found in Europe, Arabia, North Africa, India, etc. You can divide it into 'east Med' and 'west Med' if you want but it's much, much closer to the other ENF type blood than SSA from west and south Africa, or than WHG and ANE.

It entered Europe via Anatolia, but it originated in the Fertile Crescent, no doubt.

Neolithics were probably mostly E3b with some J2 and G2a.

[Conte Mascetti]

Neolithics were probably mostly E3b with some J2 and G2a.

Early Neolithic Farmers were mostly G2a, with some E1b1b.
J2 in Europe came later, perhaps during Copper Age or Bronze Age.
Also J1 seems to be earlier than J2 (in Europe, of course).
Appennines and Sardinia were the best refuges for ENFs, where they survived to later levantine and Indoeuropean invasions. In these areas you can find a great amount of G2a and J1, so also J1 seems to be ENF (herders).
G2a people are doubtless Europids. Caucasian populations, too.

[Your Albo Master]

ENF is pretty much the same as the stuff that's found in Europe, Arabia, North Africa, India, etc. You can divide it into 'east Med' and 'west Med' if you want but it's much, much closer to the other ENF type blood than SSA from west and south Africa, or than WHG and ANE.

It entered Europe via Anatolia, but it originated in the Fertile Crescent, no doubt.

Neolithics were probably mostly E3b with some J2 and G2a.

Nonsense.

Early Neolitich farmers were all G2a. Later on they mixed with I* hunther gatherers in the Balkans/Southern Europe.

E-V13 and R1b have been found among Neolitich Farmers only in Spain and Southern France, but we don't really know how they arrived there.

Some think that E-V13 is Mesolitich in Europe. R1b could be V88 from African pastoralists.

ENF is native of Southern Caucasus going by haplogroup diversity alone, but we still need ancient DNA from that area.

http://i.imgur.com/tb71lZL.png

[Longbowman]

Nonsense.

Not at all.


Early Neolitich farmers were all G2a. Later on they mixed with I* hunther gatherers in the Balkans/Southern Europe.

Neolithic* dubious.


E-V13 and R1b have been found among Neolitich Farmers only in Spain and Southern France, but we don't really know how they arrived there.

Probably not the Straight of Gibraltar. Their presence proves my point to a degree.


Some think that E-V13 is Mesolitich in Europe.

Mesolithic* Those people are wrong.


R1b could be V88 from African pastoralists.

No it couldn't.


ENF is native of Southern Caucasus going by haplogroup diversity alone, but we still need ancient DNA from that area.

No it isn't. I reject your premise and your conclusion is also awkward. ENF reaches a peak in Southern Arabians anyway and is a majority or plurality from the Mediterranean to North Africa to the Horn to Northwest India.

If European ENF came via Anatolia, which it did, it was still the same racial type as the stuff that makes up 90% of Yemenite Jews and 85% of Saudis.

[Mad Unit]

Good looking people. What are their main haplogroups?

Y DNA:
40-88% G2a3b1
12-24% R1a1
7-30% J2a
mtDNA :
36-40% Н
10 % U5

[Your Albo Master]

No it couldn't.

Neolitich R1b was not tested for V88 and the farmer had no ANE, so it did not come from the Yamnaya.


No it isn't. I reject your premise and your conclusion is also awkward. ENF reaches a peak in Southern Arabians anyway and is a majority or plurality from the Mediterranean to North Africa to the Horn to Northwest India.

If European ENF came via Anatolia, which it did, it was still the same racial type as the stuff that makes up 90% of Yemenite Jews and 85% of Saudis.

It peaks among Yemeni Jews, because Yemen was not invaded by ANE after the Bronze Age.

But ENF originated somewhere between Armenia, Georgia, Iran....

[Longbowman]

Neolitich R1b was not tested for V88 and the farmer had no ANE, so it did not come from the Yamnaya.



It peaks among Yemeni Jews, because Yemen was not invaded by ANE after the Bronze Age.

But ENF originated somewhere between Armenia, Georgia, Iran....

There were no pure ANE invasions. ANE is negligible throughout southern Arabia. ENF's origin in the Fertile Crescent is not relevant to my point, which is racially, it's the same stuff as that which makes up the darkest Arabs.

[Mad Unit]

G2a-L141.1, the Indo-European branch of G2a

Contrarily to other branches of G2a, which are more prevalent in mountainous areas, G2a3b (L141.1), and particularly the G2a3b1 (P303) subclade, is found uniformly throughout Europe, even in Scandinavia and Russia. More importantly, G2a3b and its subclades are also found in eastern Anatolia, the Caucasus, Central Asia and throughout India, especially among the upper castes, who represent the descendants of the Bronze Age Indo-European invaders. The combined presence of G2a3b1 across Europe and India is a very strong argument in favour of an Indo-European origin. The coalescence age of G2a3b1 also matches the time of the Indo-European expansion during the Bronze Age.

The homeland of R1b1a (P297) and Pre-Proto-Indo-European speakers is presumed to have been situated in eastern Anatolia and/or the North Caucasus. The Caucasus itself is a hotspot of haplogroup G. Therefore, it is entirely conceivable that a minority of Caucasian men belonging to haplogroup G (and perhaps also J2b) integrated the R1b community that crossed the Caucasus and established themselves on the northern and eastern shores of the Black Sea sometime between 7,000 and 4,500 BCE.

An alternative theory is that G2a3 (L30) came from Anatolia to eastern and Central Europe during the Neolithic (a fact proven by ancient DNA test). Once in Southeast Europe it split in two branches: G2a3a, who followed the Danube to Central Europe (LBK), and G2a3b, who migrated east to the Pontic Steppe and brought agriculture to the region. G2a3b would have mixed with the indigenous R1a people, then with R1b newcomers during the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age. By the time the Proto-Indo-Europeans started their massive expansion, G2a3b men (who apparently belonged overwhelmingly to G2a3b1 and its subclades) would have joined R1b-M269/L23 in the invasion of Old Europe from 4200 BCE (=> see R1b history). G2a3a would have been among the conquered populations of Old Europe, seeking refuge in mountainous areas.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_G2a_Y-DNA.shtml

[Your Albo Master]

There were no pure ANE invasions. ANE is negligible throughout southern Arabia. ENF's origin in the Fertile Crescent is not relevant to my point, which is racially, it's the same stuff as that which makes up the darkest Arabs.

You have zero evidence of ENF being native of the Fertile Crescent.

Haplogroups' diversity tells another story.

Of course ENF peaks among highly inbred groups like Samaritans and Yemeni Jews, who have also the lowest amount of both ANE and SSA among their neighbours.

This is the ultimate proof that both ANE and SSA are recent arrivals in the Middle East.

All the evidence point to that.

[Longbowman]

You have zero evidence of ENF being native of the Fertile Crescent.

Haplogroups' diversity tells another story.

Of course ENF peaks among highly inbred groups like Samaritans and Yemeni Jews, who have also the lowest amount of both ANE and SSA among their neighbours.

This is the ultimate proof that both ANE and SSA are recent arrivals in the Middle East.

All the evidence point to that.

The area you described is essentially fertile crescent. Plus it spread with agriculture, so, yeah, I do.

Haplogroup diversity is an outmoded method of study. It's not 2009 anymore.

Saudis aren't inbred and score about the same ENF.

Of course SSA and ANE are fairly recent.

[Conte Mascetti]

Anyway going back to the topic, the ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) admixture is particularly common today among North Caucasian and Volga-Ural ethnicities, who live in regions strongly associated with the development of Proto-Indo-European cultures in the Early Bronze Age.
Within Europe, the highest percentages of ANE admixture are observed among the Lezgins (26.5%), Chechens (26%), North Ossetians (23.5%) Kumyks (23.5%), and Adyghei (22.5%).

[Longbowman]

Anyway going back to the topic, the ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) admixture is particularly common today among North Caucasian and Volga-Ural ethnicities, who live in regions strongly associated with the development of Proto-Indo-European cultures in the Early Bronze Age.
Within Europe, the highest percentages of ANE admixture are observed among the Lezgins (26.5%), Chechens (26%), North Ossetians (23.5%) Kumyks (23.5%), and Adyghei (22.5%).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/edit#gid=0

Tabassaran, 28.05.

It doesn't matter, ANE is just a Eurasian counterpart to WHG; it peaks in non-Indo-European people like the Selkup and other Russian natives like the Mari, and of course native Americans. It's not exclusively IE.

[Conte Mascetti]

it peaks in non-Indo-European people like the Selkup and other Russian natives like the Mari, and of course native Americans. It's not exclusively IE.

Who talked about Indoeuropeans?
We're talking about being Europid (I don't like "white" term).

[Longbowman]

Who talked about Indoeuropeans?
We're talking about being Europid (I don't like "white" term).

Well, their WHG is low, but I would accept them as Europeans, more or less.

[Shepherd]

Genetically they seem to be on a similar plane to Ashkenazis, so we can say they are 75% European.

If you look on component spreadsheets Adygei score higher north Europeans and 0 SW Asian while Ashkenazi score slightly lower NE and about 10-15% SW Asian iirc

[Shepherd]

Yes, geographically Caucasus is in Europe, but it's so distant from its centre that historically Caucasian peoples had quite few contacts with European peoples while most European peoples interacted with each other almost non-stop. That's why to be a 'European' for a Caucasian means significantly less than say for a Central European, and for some of them probably nothing.
But I agree with you about the fact that Europe is far from homogeneous.

Yea they didnt have much contact with Central Europeans or anything, but quite a bit with East Slavs. Look at Cossacks for example.

[Raven_]

That North European component of them is ANE which is found in lower % than HG ancestry in modern Europeans is. Hence, they are rather a special bunch genetically wise.

[Rumata]

Yea they didnt have much contact with Central Europeans or anything, but quite a bit with East Slavs. Look at Cossacks for example.
It's not a secret that even some of the East Slavs you mention, sometimes separate themselves from Europe mostly due to the same geographical reason. And they were almost the only link between Europe and Caucasus.
IMO, the culture of Cossacks was hardly an example of a rich European culture. Rather it was transitional between Slavic, Caucasian (in the case of Kuban and possibly Terek Cossacks) and maybe some other cultures.

[Sarmatian]

IMO, the culture of Cossacks was hardly an example of a rich European culture. Rather it was transitional between Slavic, Caucasian (in the case of Kuban and possibly Terek Cossacks) and maybe some other cultures.

Cossack culture is transitional between sedentary Slavic culture and nomadic cultures of Steppes.

[Rumata]

Cossack culture is transitional between sedentary Slavic culture and nomadic cultures of Steppes.
It could well be so. I admit, my knowledge of Cossack culture isn't profound and even less so is the knowledge of nomadic cultures of Steppes.
But Cossacks did adopt some Caucasian customs (for example куначество, аталычество) along with the full men's clothes. Mentality probably had some similar traits too.

[Neon Knight]

But since they are in the geographical Europe then they must be fully European, logically.

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[Mad Unit]

http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926500/36d6475a/8153035_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/36d6475a8153035.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926500/802632f5/8153036_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/802632f58153036.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926500/66f0c5af/8153037_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/66f0c5af8153037.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926500/f21e22ef/8153038_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/f21e22ef8153038.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926500/e7aad7e6/8153039_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/e7aad7e68153039.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926500/d00d34cb/8153040_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/d00d34cb8153040.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926501/97075368/8153041_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/970753688153041.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926501/8df7234d/8153042_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/8df7234d8153042.html)

[Mad Unit]

http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/74a2ced8/8153071_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/74a2ced88153071.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/657c3eb2/8153072_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/657c3eb28153072.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/52bd13be/8153073_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/52bd13be8153073.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/95bfab0a/8153074_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/95bfab0a8153074.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/9d4577ab/8153075_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/9d4577ab8153075.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/c4d7a249/8153076_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/c4d7a2498153076.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/5dda178f/8153077_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/5dda178f8153077.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/696ad816/8153078_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/696ad8168153078.html)

[Mad Unit]

http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926694/1095fba4/8153100_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/1095fba48153100.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926695/a64aeb4d/8153101_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/a64aeb4d8153101.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926695/5048f14e/8153103_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/5048f14e8153103.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926695/900a3cb0/8153104_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/900a3cb08153104.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926695/8cde8fee/8153106_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/8cde8fee8153106.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926695/3903cc75/8153108_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/3903cc758153108.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926696/bb88b124/8153109_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/bb88b1248153109.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926696/e3bb6664/8153111_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/e3bb66648153111.html)

[Mad Unit]

http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926743/b49f072d/8153125_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/b49f072d8153125.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926743/d0f4526c/8153126_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/d0f4526c8153126.html)

[Rumata]

Mad Unit, there're some very beautiful girls in your latest post, but are you sure they all don't have recent admixtures??

[Peter Nirsch]

only the ones heavy mixed with Russians, the real ones aren't white.

[Mad Unit]

Mad Unit, there're some very beautiful girls in your latest post, but are you sure they all don't have recent admixtures??

Ничего если по русски отвечу ? Какие конкретно фото заинтересовали, Румата ?

Вообще стараюсь брать фотки в которых минимум на 90 % уверен. Практически все они из моих друзей с разных соцсетей. В основном с фейсбука. Бессовестно ворую их ,поэтому прячусь за ником )))))

[Mad Unit]

only the ones heavy mixed with Russians, the real ones aren't white.

Virtually all the photos in this topic, it is not Russian Circassians. It came from different countries - Israel, Jordan, Turkey, America, Australia, Germany, Denmark, Syria, and many others.

In these Circassians not someone else's blood. Or it is very small.

[Rumata]

Ничего если по русски отвечу ? Какие конкретно фото заинтересовали, Румата ?

Вообще стараюсь брать фотки в которых минимум на 90 % уверен. Практически все они из моих друзей с разных соцсетей. В основном с фейсбука. Бессовестно ворую их ,поэтому прячусь за ником )))))
Понятно))) Думаю можно и по-русски. Если что, смогут перевести через Google translate. Из последних, заинтересовали следующие:
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926696/e3bb6664/8153111.jpg
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926501/97075368/8153041.jpg

Здесь, парень:
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926500/d00d34cb/8153040.jpg

И в какой-то мере эти:
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926743/d0f4526c/8153126.jpg
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/74a2ced8/8153071.jpg

[Shqipez]

I don't see how being European and white has anything to do with eachother, it's not like white people are only located/concentrated in europe.. What kind of flawed thinking is that? Nothing to do with culture either... no such thing as ''white culture'' ..

Yes, they have also some mongolian admixture, but so have allot of north europeans

[Mad Unit]

Из последних, заинтересовали следующие:


На первой фотке турецкая актриса ,этническая черкешенка İpek Özkök. Вот страница на фейсбуке : https://www.facebook.com/ipekozkok?ref=br_rs и https://www.facebook.com/pages/ipek-%C3%B6zk%C3%B6k/234128816285?ref=br_rs

[Mad Unit]

На третьей фотке парень ,американский черкес Danny Haopshy .Вот страница на фейсбуке : https://www.facebook.com/danny.haopshy и https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152764952209511&set=pb.748154510.-2207520000.1427104191.&type=3&theater

На четвертой фотке девушка по имени Суанда Хуажева . Она из Майкопа.

На пятой фотке турецкий черкес .Имени не знаю .Страница на фейсбуке : https://www.facebook.com/adige.celej.1?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab

На второй фотке сирийская черкешенка Toujan Nashqui

Страница на фейсбуке : https://www.facebook.com/toujan.hajabdullah?fref=nf

[Rumata]

Mad Unit, спасибо за ссылки, но даже имея адыгские имена они могут иметь недавних предков других национальностей. Если они сами рассказали бы о своём происхождении - другое дело...
Danny Haopshy наверное меньше похож на типичного адыга, чем даже я, а у меня всего четверть адыгского происхождения. :D
Вот, он же в профиль:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/10463070_10153170258234511_5064292492632453657_n.j pg?oh=ec52ddb49feb11e3f5d4d5a72c216d33&oe=55B177CB&__gda__=1436979977_da96a974a0bdb017b89b9dd71edd966 e

[Mad Unit]

Mad Unit
Danny Haopshy наверное меньше похож на типичного адыга,

А что такое типичный адыг ? Я например сколько не пытался разобраться в этом вопросе ,так и не смог. При более-менее однородной генетической составляющей ,черкесы имеют очень разнообразную внешность. Это видно даже из тех фоток что я запостил в этой теме.

Вот эта фотка наверное максимально иллюстрирует общую антропологическую картину черкесов - два типажа ,кавкасион и понтид . Но при всей разности физиономий ,уверен делят между собой один субклад : D

http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427311117/5d7cb34b/8207341_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/5d7cb34b8207341.html)


... даже имея адыгские имена они могут иметь недавних предков других национальностей.

Возможно так. Как возможно и обратное .

[Rumata]

А что такое типичный адыг ?
Честно говоря в антропологии я ни бум-бум :D Но тот парень точно не тянет ни на один из типов, которые я наблюдал на Кавказе.


Возможно так. Как возможно и обратное .
Моё предположение, опять же, строится на том, что похожих типажей здесь особенно не видел. А межнациональных браков в диаспоре, наверное, поболее, т. к. меньше сдерживающих факторов.

[Mad Unit]

Last group photo


http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389010/6a1f7d34/8216865_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/6a1f7d348216865.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389010/6de8559d/8216866_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/6de8559d8216866.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389010/d941b02c/8216867_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/d941b02c8216867.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389010/ac0fc5e1/8216869_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/ac0fc5e18216869.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389010/3c30027f/8216870_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/3c30027f8216870.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389010/f4f20e88/8216871_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/f4f20e888216871.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389011/c1d65c03/8216872_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/c1d65c038216872.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389011/756053dc/8216873_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/756053dc8216873.html)

[Mad Unit]

http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389264/c3757d87/8216932_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/c3757d878216932.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389264/3265e54c/8216933_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/3265e54c8216933.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389264/b21395a5/8216934_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/b21395a58216934.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389264/9f36b59d/8216935_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/9f36b59d8216935.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389265/8d72625a/8216936_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/8d72625a8216936.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389265/83a72403/8216937_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/83a724038216937.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389265/2465a8e1/8216938_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/2465a8e18216938.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389265/d36ac135/8216939_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/d36ac1358216939.html)

[Mad Unit]

http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389328/a323c895/8216949_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/a323c8958216949.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389328/c197cc96/8216950_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/c197cc968216950.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389328/ba17543d/8216951_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/ba17543d8216951.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389328/cc9a80e5/8216952_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/cc9a80e58216952.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389329/b0c6e228/8216953_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/b0c6e2288216953.html) http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1427389329/fc820e6c/8216954_m.jpg (http://vfl.ru/fotos/fc820e6c8216954.html)

[Mad Unit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=84&v=rIlwqX4a1-I

[coolstorybro]

Clearly white, clearly Aryan.

[interes]

Понятно))) Думаю можно и по-русски. Если что, смогут перевести через Google translate. Из последних, заинтересовали следующие:
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926696/e3bb6664/8153111.jpg
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926501/97075368/8153041.jpg

Здесь, парень:
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926500/d00d34cb/8153040.jpg

И в какой-то мере эти:
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926743/d0f4526c/8153126.jpg
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1426926614/74a2ced8/8153071.jpg

oni paxoji adigov i ruskix toje no celom cherkesi ochen poxoji na iujnix ruskix

[dude]

No, they are niggas.

[Ülev]

Caucasoid, European, White, but fortunately not R1(ab)etheloid