Is Japan free or still occupied militarily?

[ButlerKing]

I understand the occupation of Japan ended in 1952 since Japan's surrender in 1945. But why is there still U.S bases in Japan? is it to control Japan or is this some form alliance? Japan is not allowed to military only a defense force, and rape by U.S soldiers happens like once in every 3 months of something like that.

[Scholarios]

Japan has a military alliance with the U.S. to guarantee its safety in the context of the Cold War that has carried on now with other contexts since the end of the Soviets. Japan has a pacifist constitution that prohibits an extensive military.

[RussiaPrussia]

japan is freer than germany but they are still dependent on america because of their weak military. Exporting weapons was banned in the Constitution which was written by the allies therefor they have a weak defense and still need american security against other countries around them.

[alfieb]

The US ironically wants Japan to change their constitution to abandon the American-written part that says they're not allowed to have a proper military. It's the Japanese government who appreciate the status quo, because they don't have to spend money on defense and can spend on infrastructure and other things while Americans pay to defend their country.

[Óttar]

As far as I'm concerned, Germany and Japan are still under U.S. occupation. Restrictions on military buildup, Germany's weak military, and American military bases = occupation.

[ButlerKing]

Only Japan and German don't have military but only a defense force.

I wouldn't say Japan is military weak, they defeated British, Russian, Dutch, Germans, Americans in battles during their invasion of Asia. They were like the Germany of Asia, Germans also have U.S base.

I think U.S is there to control to some extend , WW1 and WW2 happened because of them

[RussiaPrussia]

Only Japan and German don't have military but only a defense force.

I wouldn't say Japan is military weak, they defeated British, Russian, Dutch, Germans, Americans in battles during their invasion of Asia. They were like the Germany of Asia, Germans also have U.S base.

I think U.S is there to control them, WW1 and WW2 happened because of them

what for BS, they never defeated Russia at least not in WW2

this also is why mongolia is Independent country unlike tibet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_border_conflicts

after nazi germany was defeated look how easy japan was for russians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria

[Vesuvian Sky]

Its a great deal for them really since they are weak Yayoi types.

[riverman]

I wouldn't call it occupied, more like protected because of the treaty. America and Japan have extensive trade anyways.

[ButlerKing]

As far as I'm concerned, Germany and Japan are still under U.S. occupation. Restrictions on military buildup, Germany's weak military, and American military bases = occupation.


Occupation is too strong. U.S can't interfere Japan in anything except in military and even that isn't totally controlled by U.S



Its a great deal for them really since they are weak Yayoi types.

Are you saying Jomon is strong? they were ruled by the Yayoi for 1200 years

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qTDAEasFLtU/SyOKBBb5rsI/AAAAAAAAGyM/6ZpteJ12F1c/s1600/Ainu+map.png

[ButlerKing]

I'll say some form of control.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Are you saying Jomon is strong? they were ruled by the Yayoi for 1200 years

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qTDAEasFLtU/SyOKBBb5rsI/AAAAAAAAGyM/6ZpteJ12F1c/s1600/Ainu+map.png

Actually it sounds like one out bred the other. Allegedly there's no pure Ainu anymore.

You had a thread about this though it went something to the tune of Jomon=proto-mongoloid or something like that...I really can't remember.

[ButlerKing]

what for BS, they never defeated Russia at least not in WW2

this also is why mongolia is Independent country unlike tibet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_border_conflicts

after nazi germany was defeated look how easy japan was for russians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria


Thanks to the British, Dutch and U.S alliance, you Russian later took advantage.


Read some history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War


Date 8 February 1904 – 5 September 1905
(1 year, 6 months and 3 weeks)
Location Manchuria, Yellow Sea, Korean Peninsula
Result Japanese victory; Treaty of Portsmouth


Russian Empire
Principality of Montenegro
Empire of Japan
Commanders and leaders
Tsar Nicholas II
Aleksey Kuropatkin
Stepan Makarov †
Zinovy Rozhestvensky

JAPAN

Emperor Meiji
Ōyama Iwao
Nogi Maresuke
Tōgō Heihachirō
Strength 500,000
Casualties and losses
34,000 – 52,623 killed or died of wounds
9,300 – 18,830 died of disease
146,032 wounded
74,369 captured
50,688 deadweight loss[1][2] 47,152 – 47,400 killed
11,424 – 11,500 died of wounds
21,802 – 27,200 died of disease[1][2]

[ButlerKing]

Actually it sounds like one out bred the other. Allegedly there's no pure Ainu anymore.

You had a thread about this though it went something to the tune of Jomon=proto-mongoloid or something like that...I really can't remember.


No the Emishi people of north Japan was conquered military, they had 30 years barbarian war with the Yayoi of Japan in 9th century. You can read more from here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emishi

The Emishi people of Japan were mostly pure Jomon types with some who were mixture of Jomon/Yaoi.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Emishi_from_an_emaki_circa_1324.jpg

[Vesuvian Sky]

No the Emishi people of north Japan was conquered military, they had 30 years barbarian war with the Yayoi of Japan in 9th century. You can read more from here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emishi

The Emishi people of Japan were mostly pure Jomon types with some who were mixture of Jomon/Yaoi.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Emishi_from_an_emaki_circa_1324.jpg

oooooohhhh, yeah that's right now archaeologist say Ainu = Okhotsk cultures. Funny I was reading about that earlier today. Didn't think it would come up in conversation but it did.

[ButlerKing]

oooooohhhh, yeah that's right now archaeologist say Ainu = Okhotsk cultures. Funny I was reading about that earlier today. Didn't think it would come up in conversation but it did.

That properly explain why Ainu today have 12.5% to 25% C3.
They mixed with the Nilkv people who had C3.

[Stefan]

They're illegally occupied according to our (U.S federation's) own domestic law. Eventually D.C will run out of money to fund it and Japan/Germany will have to fit the bill of a military themselves. Basically, their cooperation is a suzerainty that is paid for by means other than public tribute - political favors, ideological alliances, corporatism, etc.

[Óttar]

Occupation is too strong. U.S can't interfere Japan in anything except in military and even that isn't totally controlled by U.S
So U.S. occupation of Germany still stands, do you think?

[RussiaPrussia]

Thanks to the British, Dutch and U.S alliance, you Russian later took advantage.


Read some history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War


Date 8 February 1904 – 5 September 1905
(1 year, 6 months and 3 weeks)
Location Manchuria, Yellow Sea, Korean Peninsula
Result Japanese victory; Treaty of Portsmouth


Russian Empire
Principality of Montenegro
Empire of Japan
Commanders and leaders
Tsar Nicholas II
Aleksey Kuropatkin
Stepan Makarov †
Zinovy Rozhestvensky

JAPAN

Emperor Meiji
Ōyama Iwao
Nogi Maresuke
Tōgō Heihachirō
Strength 500,000
Casualties and losses
34,000 – 52,623 killed or died of wounds
9,300 – 18,830 died of disease
146,032 wounded
74,369 captured
50,688 deadweight loss[1][2] 47,152 – 47,400 killed
11,424 – 11,500 died of wounds
21,802 – 27,200 died of disease[1][2]

it were the british who armed and gave them the technology in first place.

[ButlerKing]

So U.S. occupation of Germany still stands, do you think?

There is no occupation of Japan and Germany by U.S

[Oneeye]

How does their military strength over 50 years ago have any relevance today?

The USA likes having bases over there, and at South Korea... it gives us a reason to play battleship near China's front porch.

[Óttar]

There is no occupation of Japan and Germany by U.S
Then what about U.S. bases in Germany?

[Vesuvian Sky]

That properly explain why Ainu today have 12.5% to 25% C3.
They mixed with the Nilkv people who had C3.

Hey BK, do you you know off the top of your head which of the spread sheets has admixture results for Ainu?

[Mohamed]

They destroy each country who does not want to bow down for uncle Sam. They have done it in europe, and the last decades fiercely in the muslim world. Guess what needs to be done to stop uncle Sam.

I used to be very anti serbia (I visited Bosnia), anti russia, ... until I discovered the real animy who caused much of the shit (Kosovo for example). Muslims are brainwashed VERY HARD by the media (Al Jazeera), more or less telling us that Russia etc are the enemies of Islam. It is the same in west europe, where the propaganda is more subtle: putin is not democratic, he oppresses people and all that cheap talk. Pussy riots was widely covered in west europe as something to be very proud of, i.e. insulting the church should be accepted nowadays especially in russia. I am quite sure if pussy riots happened in west europe they the same media would demonise them as being barbaric.

Believe me or not, but I hope from the bottom of my heart that muslims should join Russia against the evil (NATO) and fight shoulders by shoulders. The future will prove me right, I mean russia needs muslims to be able to free constantinople from zionist controle. Else, russia is finished ... I am getting offtopic, or not actually.