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03-12-2013, 01:59 PM
Brussels – The EU should take resolute action in response to the latest constitutional changes adopted in the Hungarian parliament, Human Rights Watch said today.

The changes adopted on March 11, 2013 respond directly to a series of critical rulings in 2012 by Hungary’s Constitutional Court, which struck down problematic laws introduced by the government. Instead of respecting those rulings, the government has reintroduced the same laws through amendments to the constitution itself and ended the court’s power to review substantive changes to the constitution.

“These latest changes leave no doubt about the Hungarian government’s contempt for the rule of law,” said Lydia Gall, Eastern Europe and Balkans researcher at Human Rights Watch. “The government’s willingness to bypass the constitutional court and subvert the constitution for its own political ends underscores the need for a concerted EU response.”

The amendments to the constitution adopted on March 11:

Limit the mandate of the Constitutional Court, preventing it from referring to its own rulings prior to January 1, 2012, when a new constitution came into force, and ending its power to review the substance of amendments to the constitution.
Permit laws or local authority action criminalizing homelessness. The Constitutional Court struck down a law with the same effect in November 2012.
Define family narrowly as that founded on marriage between a man and a woman or as a parent-child relationship. In December 2012, the Constitutional Court had struck down legal provisions in the Act on Protection of Families which limited family to that based on marriage between a man and a woman plus dependent children as “excessively restrictive” after they were referred to the court by the country’s ombudsman. The new provisions continue to discriminate against unmarried and same-sex families.
Limit religious freedom by giving parliament the sole right to decide which religious organizations are considered ‘churches’ for the purpose of domestic legislation. In February 2013, the Constitutional Court struck down as procedurally unfair a law that led to most religious organizations in Hungary losing their status as churches, denying them state funding, including for service provision.
Give constitutional status to the existing wide-ranging powers of the president of the National Judicial Office (NJO), including the authority to transfer cases from one court to another. Politically sensitive corruption cases have already been transferred by the NJO president from courts in Budapest to courts in the countryside, which have considerably less experience trying such cases and where there is less media scrutiny.
Limit the broadcasting of political campaign ads to the state broadcaster, which could enable the government to ban campaign ads on commercial radio and television. Legislation with the same limitation was struck down as unconstitutional by the Constitutional Court in January.

The new constitution changes have attracted broad international concern, with criticism from European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, European Parliament President Martin Schultz, the US State Department, and calls by Council of Europe Secretary-General Thorbjorn Jagland to postpone the parliamentary vote pending international review by the Council of Europe Venice Commission, which specializes in constitutional reform. The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe is considering formal monitoring of Hungary, following a February 2013 mission to the country.

The amendments are only the latest in a series of problematic constitutional and legal changes introduced by the ruling Fidesz party since it won election with an absolute majority in 2010. The changes have undermined media freedom, limited judicial independence, and weakened the power of the Constitutional Court, which has been a key check on the executive.

The constitution changes, combined with the government’s blatant disregard for the rulings of the Constitutional Court, are at odds with the fundamental values of the EU and ignore numerous recommendations made by European expert bodies, Human Rights Watch said. Article 7 of the EU Treaty permits the suspension of an EU member states voting rights if actions pose a clear risk of a breach of the common values of the European Union, or if a member state is in serious breach of those values.

“The Hungarian government doesn’t want to listen – not to Brussels, and not to its own Constitutional Court.” Gall said. “It’s time for the EU to step up its response, including by giving serious consideration to suspending Hungary’s voting rights under Article 7 of the EU Treaty.”


03-12-2013, 02:06 PM

03-12-2013, 02:14 PM
Orbán: “Irreversible” constitutional changes will solidify Parliament’s supremacy

Parliament’s governing majority approved the fourth amendment to the Basic Law since it entered into effect 14 months ago, comprising 22 provisions that have together renewed fears of a decline of Hungary’s democratic institutions, due to the removal of checks and balances to the government’s power.

The vote went ahead despite calls for restraint from the EU, the US and international institutions, and street protests that continued into the night.

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán told a morning meeting of Fidesz and Christian Democrat MPs that approval of the changes would create an “irreversible” situation in which Parliament’s role in protecting the constitution supersedes that of the Constitutional Court.

As the House voted to reinstate in the Basic Law several measures that had been struck down by the Constitutional Court, the Socialist, Democratic Coalition and Dialogue for Hungary MPs boycotted the voting procedure.

03-12-2013, 03:37 PM
A proof that none of the EU member countries are free to decide how they wanna rule in their own country.

They are being dictated by eurocrats in Brussels.

03-12-2013, 05:09 PM
European leaders are outraged by the Hungarian right's most recent move to consolidate power, with some calling for a formal probe. German editorialists, too, say it's time for the EU to take a stand against increasingly defiant Prime Minister Viktor Orbán.


Hungary Tests the E.U.’s Norms – New York Times
Hungary, defying EU, limits powers of top court – Reuters UK
Hungary: Constitution Changes Warrant EU Action – Human Rights Watch
Hungary inflation plunges to seven-year low – GlobalPost
Hungary defies critics over change to constitution – BBC News
Alarm rises as Hungary defiant on law – Financial Times
Hungary’s constitutional changes spark fears – Sydney Morning Herald
Deaf to critics, Orban changes Hungary’s constitution – AFP
Protesters await Áder at Berlin event commemorating 1848 Revolution – Politics.hu
Hungary Steps Away from European Democracy - spiegel.de
Hungary throws down gauntlet to EU -Europeanvoice
EU worried by Hungary's changes to constitution -reuters

Hungary’s Jews

Hungary is a sorrowful example of how rampant anti- Semitism can be a surefire barometer for reactionary, antidemocratic trends.

03-12-2013, 05:33 PM
I noticed the rise of anti-hungarian articles in all over the EU media too. I saw a 15min long program about jews-jobbik-orban in German tv channel DW yesterday. This is something i have never seen before. Hungary usually never gets on headlines in the EU media.

03-12-2013, 05:42 PM
Only about 8% of foreign media about Hungary has been positive. Hungary does occasionally make it into the headlines, usually when there is some "racist" scandal, or Orbán "wrecking human rights laws".

There has even been an anti-Jobbik Swedish documentary..

03-13-2013, 03:30 PM

03-13-2013, 03:36 PM
Last news, Hungary is a sovereign nation, the Constitutional changes are made by politicians that were chosen by the people, EU leaders have no democratic legitimacy...Other thing, EU is 60 year old, Hungary is +1000...Which one is more likely to stay in the future... :rolleyes:

03-13-2013, 04:16 PM
Verhofstadt, omg, spreading his saliva and degenerating Hungary but by what right? Who the fuck is this ugly guy, to have a word about Hungary and their own constitution?

It looks like the EU hates Hungary as much as they hate British nowadays.

Last news, Hungary is a sovereign nation, the Constitutional changes are made by politicians that were chosen by the people, EU leaders have no democratic legitimacy...Other thing, EU is 60 year old, Hungary is +1000...Which one is more likely to stay in the future... :rolleyes:
You are right but the thing is that all the EU members are automatically handing over their sovereignty to these unelected ugly eurocrats in Brussels.

03-13-2013, 04:36 PM
^^ German eurodeputies are really infamous for being a bunch of illegitimate hate-spewing tools of Atlantism.

Verhofstadt is just another random clown like Martin Schultz.

03-13-2013, 06:44 PM
Many of the new constitutional changes are very good. For example, students whose studies get paid for by the state have to actually work in Hungary for a few years, instead of just running over to Western Europe.

Then there is a ban on homeless. These homeless can go shelters (but they cant drink their alcohol there), and public spaces are not for them to piss and shit in.

A family is defined as between a married man and a woman, or parent child, and not same sex couples or unmarried ones. Changes like this I welcome, then there are some other ones which could do more harm to Jobbik than good, like election propaganda can only be on state owned tv (and state owned TV is controlled by the ruling party), etc.

03-13-2013, 10:51 PM
And it is final. It will become law, take that EU :laugh: (though they will probably get us another way,)

This proves that you cannot blame everything on the EUSSR or Jews , your country simply needs to have balls, which many in Europe do not. The current politics of today is more or less a continuation of the Hungarian freedom fighting spirit of the past. It is present today in even mainstream conservative politics, just more watered down.

Áder pledges to sign constitutional amendments, citing need for national unit

President Janos Ader said he would sign the fourth amendment to Hungary’s constitution, speaking on public M1 television late on Wednesday.

Ader said in a pre-recorded, televised speech from his Sandor palace, that he had made his decision in view of his promise that as president of Hungary he would carry out the responsibilities conferred on him by the constitution without fail.

“It is my unequivocal constitutional duty to sign and declare this constitutional amendment as law. This is regardless of whose tastes the changes meet and regardless of whether I like it or not,” he said.

He said he had spent many hours over the past few days scrutinizing the opinions and argument which appeared in the press over the fourth amendment. He read letters, messages and the “clever and sometimes indignant and politically-charged arguments of experts”.

“I was guided by the single goal which is in harmony with my presidential oath: to represent the constitutional order and the unity of the nation,” he said.

“The president of the republic must not simply act above party politics, he must always stand by his political nation at all times and in everything,” he added.

A state governed by the rule of law is such because its laws and constitution is observed by all, including and especially the president, Ader said.

If the president decided that it was permissible to step on an unconstitutional path, it would only bring the consequence of chaos and lawlessness, which nobody wants, he said.

He said that at the moment of being elected he had made it clear: if he receives 100 good laws, he signs 100 good laws. If he receives 100 bad laws, he will send back 100 to parliament for revision.

He said regardless of the weight each party may have in parliament everyone is equally responsible for the fate of the nation, its good reputation and credibility.

03-13-2013, 11:03 PM
This proves that you cannot blame everything on the EUSSR or Jews , your country simply needs to have balls, which many in Europe do not.

It's hard for other countries when all their politicians and media are owned by the spawn of Zion.
In here for example, if you are anti-Zionist, you get banned from TV/Radio/Written Press and have to survive on the Internet.

03-13-2013, 11:07 PM
It's hard for other countries when all their politicians and media are owned by the spawn of Zion.
In here for example, if you are anti-Zionist, you get banned from TV/Radio/Written Press and have to survive on the Internet.

Hungary has one of the biggest populations of Jews in Europe, including the biggest Synagogue in Europe. Hungary has the 13th largest population of Jews in the world, or 8th largest in the world if we go by enlarged population estimates. Many of them are in politics, media, law, etc. Fidesz (ruling party) also has Jews in it, ones with Israeli passports too.

Modern day Zionism was founded in Hungary by Jews.

Jew per native population, Hungary is probably one of the highest in the world.

So the typical argument "Western Europe is controlled by Jews, while Hungary is Jew free" does not hold any weight, because there are far more Jews in Hungary and Hungarian politics than Jews in Western European countries.

03-15-2013, 04:06 PM
Could Hungary Be Thrown Out of the EU?

Hungary's increasingly aggressive moves against media, judiciary and central bank independence will be discussed by European Union heads of states on Friday, raising the possibility that Hungary could be thrown out of the EU.

The European Union is concerned Hungary may be flouting EU rules on human rights, after its parliament voted this week to amend its constitution to allow legislation to bypass approval from the constitutional court. Hungary had defied calls from the European Commission to delay the vote.

The move means European laws designed to protect the freedom of the media and the independence of the judiciary could be compromised, if not violated. Following the vote, the European Commission said it would investigate whether Hungary's new laws are anti-democratic and violate the bloc's rules on human rights and EU treaties.

Martin Schulz, president of the European Commission, told CNBC on Thursday evening that a country could be thrown out of the EU if it did not respect European rules and rights, but added that he was wary of passing judgement prematurely.

The rest at http://www.cnbc.com/id/100557077

03-15-2013, 04:11 PM
Epic threat xD

"Plz plz, don't kick me out of the plutocratic, corrupt and broke European Union. It's not like I have my own currency already :rolleyes:"

Congratulations again Szeg, really shows you're one of the few (if not the only) country in this continent doing the right thing.

03-15-2013, 07:49 PM
Could Hungary Be Thrown Out of the EU?

The rest at http://www.cnbc.com/id/100557077
This is just a bluff. They cant dare to expel Hungary out from the union, especially not in this time of EU crisis.

03-15-2013, 08:02 PM
This is just a bluff. They cant dare to expel Hungary out from the union, especially not in this time of EU crisis.

Sure they can