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Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 01:29 PM
what are your view on feminism?

RussiaPrussia
03-19-2013, 01:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTTfIyavoJo#t=7m51s

this for every civilization embracing it

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 01:39 PM
I'm personaly not that fond of feminism since they suggest that gender is an entirely social construct, this seems ludicrous to me. just look at evolution, traits that determined the number of offsprings are prefered and any traits that determine this will stay in the genepool. If women are generally the ones that give birth, that lactate, It would be very surprising if there were no psychological orchestration that helps women achieve those tasks and made those tasks particularly pleasurable to women. So things like empathy, avoiding dangerous confrontation, avoiding social exclusion, all of these are good things which mean that you are more likely to survive and reproduce. It would be ludicrous to suggest that this has not left a mark on women through the ages.

baraSYR
03-19-2013, 01:40 PM
I have no problem with it.

Mraz
03-19-2013, 01:52 PM
An ideology that makes of Women a social class when the reality of a cashier salaried isn't the same like the bourgeois rentier.
Uncompatible class having antagonistic socio-economical interests, but showed as being one. Those are the usefull idiots of the Capital. This is for modern Western feminism.

For the other parts of the world I strongly agree with women struggles, it can only benefit to those societies that women educate themselves and play a more important role in the society.

Anglojew
03-19-2013, 01:55 PM
I think women are equal but different (from men).

Gospodine
03-19-2013, 02:04 PM
Already explained:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?66400-Listen-up-feminists&p=1258268&viewfull=1#post1258268

Chinup
03-19-2013, 02:46 PM
Feminism is an attempt to avoid bridging the gender gap .. much like chauvinism is an attempt to avoid bridging the gender gap .. people simply need to prioritise male/female bonds over reproduction & ego. All we need is in the arms of the opposite sex .. trouble is the opposite sex is too busy protecting their self importance to realise that their true potential lies in their lovers arms.

member
03-19-2013, 02:50 PM
I'm not anti, nor pro. Being a female of course I notice some injustices towards women.
I wouldn't describe myself as a politically correct person in the first place, so I just can't say I'm a feminist because modern feminism too much relates to homosexuals, blacks and such. I do not relate myself to the latter groups, nor do I support them. Hardcore feminists tend to downplay the role of ethnicity as well. On the other hand, I notice that so called nationalists sometimes refuse to understand that there is a postive side of feminism, that sometimes they say truth.


Actually I've started ti think that feminism indeed is too much influenced by lesbians recently. WTF gays have to do with women rights? I don't get it.

Chinup
03-19-2013, 02:55 PM
Actually I've started ti think that feminism indeed is too much influenced by lesbians recently. WTF gays have to do with women rights? I don't get it. Its a platform from which insecure lesbians believe they can gain legitimacy .. as if being lesbian means you are more qualified to speak for women.

Loki
03-19-2013, 02:56 PM
There is a good/necessary form of feminism (such as one would expect in oppressive societies such as Iran), and then there are crazy excesses, trying to undermine traditional family roles and make women into men - as well as "castrating" men to act like little poodles. Like, the kind of feminism we see in Sweden. It's no wonder the kind of women who these days champion feminism in Europe look like butch lesbians. :P

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 03:00 PM
Actually I've started ti think that feminism indeed is too much influenced by lesbians recently. WTF gays have to do with women rights? I don't get it.

The only connection I see is that the same ideology and epithets that are used against the lgbt are also used to subjugate women

Hess
03-19-2013, 03:08 PM
I've taken the liberty of compiling a few choice quotes from prominent, mainstream leaders within the Feminist movement-


"The nuclear family must be destroyed... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process." -- Linda Gordon

“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” - Catharine A. MacKinnon

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." Catherine MacKinnon

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." -- Sheila Jeffrys

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 03:16 PM
I've taken the liberty of compiling a few choice quotes from prominent, mainstream leaders within the Feminist movement-


"The nuclear family must be destroyed... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process." -- Linda Gordon

“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” - Catharine A. MacKinnon

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." Catherine MacKinnon

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." -- Sheila Jeffrys


DEATH TO THE MALE PATRIARCHY, DEATH TO MEN AND CAPITALISM

I'm gonna go burn my bra :rolleyes:

member
03-19-2013, 03:20 PM
The only connection I see is that the same ideology and epithets that are used against the lgbt are also used to subjugate women

Like what?

Hess
03-19-2013, 03:28 PM
And before I forget, here is the priceless passage from chapter 12 of the Feminine Mystique where Betty Friedan, arguably the most prominent postmodern Feminist, likens the average American household to a "comfortable concentration camp"

"All this seems terribly remote from the easy life of the American suburban housewife. But is her house in reality a comfortable concentration camp? Have not women who live in the image of the feminine mystique trapped themselves within the narrow walls of their homes? They have learned to ‘adjust’ to their biological role. They have become dependent, passive, childlike; they have given up their adult frame of reference to live at the lower human level of food and things. The work they do does not require adult capabilities; it is endless, monotonous, unrewarding. American women are not, of course, being readied for mass extermination, but they are suffering a slow death of mind and spirit."

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 03:29 PM
Like what?


When somebody insults a gay guy the usually call them a girl or a fag, feminists find this to be problematic since femininity is used as something demeaning and therefore anti-woman or whatever.
Take america as an example, the biggest opponents of gay rights are also the ones who opposed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which is supposed to combat the gender wealth gap

Empecinado
03-19-2013, 03:54 PM
I do support equal rights for men and women, but feminism also means positive discrimination, discriminatory laws against man, subsidies to feminist associations and I'm against all this shit.

Is a totalitarian ideology as the Communism is, and is about inventing a invisible enemy (The Patriarchy) to blame it for all, and to pit women against men to weaken society and thus make it more manageable and easy to control.

Lorene
03-19-2013, 04:28 PM
Like, the kind of feminism we see in Sweden.
lol you have a lot of false sterotype of swedes, they aren't a socialist land, neither a women role country. It is a male dominated country as any western 'democracy'.

as for feminism, human_master suited it fine! :thumb001:

Graham
03-19-2013, 04:30 PM
Wondered what feminist views on military conscription are.

Loki
03-19-2013, 04:31 PM
lol you have a lot of false sterotype of swedes, they aren't a socialist land, neither a women role country. It is a male dominated country as any western 'democracy'.

as for feminism, human_master suited it fine! :thumb001:

I actually happen to know several Swedes, I know their mentality and I've been there a few times myself. Have you? :)

I'm careful to level such criticism but in this case I'm afraid it's true. You can ask the Scandinavian men on this forum if it is the case.

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 04:35 PM
I do support equal rights for men and women, but feminism also means positive discrimination, discriminatory laws against man, subsidies to feminist associations and I'm against all this shit.

Is a totalitarian ideology as the Communism is, and is about inventing a invisible enemy (The Patriarchy) to blame it for all, and to pit women against men to weaken society and thus make it more manageable and easy to control.

The term positive discrimination is an oxymoron.

Discrimination is discrimination. End of story.

Ades
03-19-2013, 04:39 PM
lol you have a lot of false sterotype of swedes, they aren't a socialist land, neither a women role country. It is a male dominated country as any western 'democracy'.

as for feminism, human_master suited it fine! :thumb001:


I actually heard that people are so obsessed about gender equality in Sweden that they are proposing the creation of a new "Unisex pronoun", so they don't have to differentiate between "he" and "she". Don't know if it's true or just a joke :tongue

Anyway, I think Loki's view is perfect.

Lorene
03-19-2013, 04:40 PM
I actually happen to know several Swedes, I know their mentality and I've been there a few times myself. Have you? :)

I know some in São Paulo, from others boards and facebook :)



I'm careful to level such criticism but in this case I'm afraid it's true. You can ask the Scandinavian men on this forum if it is the case.
Males from this forum? And many Swedish female friends I know are always complaining about how underpaid they are when compared to men in Sweden.
Well Sweden like any western country is ruled by men, their main role politicians are men, its main business people are men, etc.. How then would it be a female dominated society? They are obvious more liberal and progressist than many of backwards societies but it is not still a women rule society. Far from it. When I think of women dominated societies I think of ancients Amazons or Medieval Vietnam.

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 04:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA

Loki
03-19-2013, 04:44 PM
They are obvious more liberal and progressist than many of backwards societies but it is not still a women rule society. Far from it. When I think of women dominated societies I think of ancients Amazons or Medieval Vietnam.

I didn't say Sweden was a women-ruled society. It would be impossible for that and still be competitive :P

But, the vast majority of males are emasculated. I know what I'm talking about. Go on, ask Scandinavian men here. I'm talking about attitudes. They are even forced to sit down to urinate, since these feminists are jealous that they can't stand up and pee like a man.

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 04:46 PM
But, the vast majority of males are emasculated. I know what I'm talking about. Go on, ask Scandinavian men here. I'm talking about attitudes. They are even forced to sit down to urinate, since these feminists are jealous that they can't stand up and pee like a man.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESIf2Dic6jg

Lorene
03-19-2013, 04:47 PM
I actually heard that people are so obsessed about gender equality in Sweden that they are proposing the creation of a new "Unisex pronoun", so they don't have to differentiate between "he" and "she". Don't know if it's true or just a joke :tongue

Anyway, I think Loki's view is perfect.

Get the facts right, unless you fall into the ignorance of stereotypes. From what I know this is more of a marginal group of feminists, than reality. There evangelical pastors in Brazil who preach male gays castration. Is that representative of reality? C'mon..

member
03-19-2013, 04:48 PM
I actually heard that people are so obsessed about gender equality in Sweden that they are proposing the creation of a new "Unisex pronoun", so they don't have to differentiate between "he" and "she". Don't know if it's true or just a joke :tongue

Anyway, I think Loki's view is perfect.

It is true that there is such suggestion. That unisex pronoun is hen ha ha.

But I have no idea what are reactions over there.

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 04:49 PM
Get the facts right, unless you fall into the ignorance of stereotypes From what I know this is more of a marginal group of feminists, than reality. There evangelical pastors in Brazil who preach male gays castration. Is that representative of reality? C'mon..

Evangelical pastors preaching gay male castration - What does that have to do with anything we're discussing here?

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 04:50 PM
Migla, what do you think of the video I posted above?

Lorene
03-19-2013, 04:50 PM
I didn't say Sweden was a women-ruled society. It would be impossible for that and still be competitive :P

Wow.



But, the vast majority of males are emasculated. I know what I'm talking about.

Are you a perfect example of masculinity?


Go on, ask Scandinavian men here. I'm talking about attitudes. They are even forced to sit down to urinate, since these feminists are jealous that they can't stand up and pee like a man.
I did a google search about, it seems be just a lie.

Germanicus
03-19-2013, 04:51 PM
My wife is my mental equal, I treat her equally, she is a northern woman from Yorkshire, to treat her any differently would be insulting her.
She wears no makeup, and I do not ask her to wear any. We share household duties, we pay our own way as she is independently wealthy.
Some women will never have what my wife has at this moment in time, for this I feel sorry for them.

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 04:52 PM
Migla, what do you think of the video I posted above?

I love her. I would go lez for her :p

Empecinado
03-19-2013, 04:52 PM
The term positive discrimination is an oxymoron.

Discrimination is discrimination. End of story.

I know, thats why I put positive by cursive.

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 04:53 PM
I did a google search about, it seems be just a liar.

Didn't search hard enough

http://www.thelocal.se/41358/20120611/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 04:53 PM
I love her. I would go lez for her :p

Haha, what do you love about her?

Lorene
03-19-2013, 04:56 PM
Didn't search hard enough

http://www.thelocal.se/41358/20120611/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html
Male urinal from Sweden :picard1:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXcb_yyqraXRl4uzMC2LpDK9r49VTed n1byWdlLIgr-L8KI1wO

Did you really read all article? This was a proposal of a small opposition group of local politicians in a local city

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 04:58 PM
Haha, what do you love about her?

I have watched her videos before, even when I disagree with her is still think her arguments are well thought out and critical

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 04:59 PM
Male urinal from Sweden :picard1:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXcb_yyqraXRl4uzMC2LpDK9r49VTed n1byWdlLIgr-L8KI1wO

Did you even bother to read the extremely short articles I posted?

The picture you posted does not mean those laws were not proposed.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/199/77199/277992.jpg

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 04:59 PM
Wow.



Are you a perfect example of masculinity?


I did a google search about, it seems be just a lie.

If you think the Nordics are a perfect example where we should go... Well watch this documentary

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0tg8_hjernevask-brainwashing-english-part-1-the-gender-equality-paradox_news

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 05:02 PM
If you think the Nordics are a perfect example where we should go... Well watch this documentary

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0tg8_hjernevask-brainwashing-english-part-1-the-gender-equality-paradox_news

You beat me to it, I was just about to post that exact documentary.

Lorene
03-19-2013, 05:05 PM
If you think the Nordics are a perfect example where we should go... Well watch this documentary

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0tg8_hjernevask-brainwashing-english-part-1-the-gender-equality-paradox_news
I don't think they are perfect, but because I know people from there, personally.

My swedish friend Pepela
http://oi45.tinypic.com/aysygg.jpg


I think that much being discussed here are stereotypes of what really is the reality. Clearly they are more progressive, open mind etc. But such trivializations and charges without questioning what is really true sounds ridiculous.

Dombra
03-19-2013, 05:07 PM
I got four words; CBA

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 05:08 PM
I don't think they are perfect, but because I know people from there, personally.

My swedish friend Pepela
http://oi45.tinypic.com/aysygg.jpg


I think that much being discussed here are stereotypes of what really is the reality. Clearly they are more progressive, open mind etc. But such trivializations and charges without questioning what is really true sounds ridiculous.

I know Swedish people as well.

Are you saying that your argument is more valid on the basis of you knowing someone from there?

Lorene
03-19-2013, 05:19 PM
I know Swedish people as well.

Are you saying that your argument is more valid on the basis of you knowing someone from there?

Just saying that some posters are denigrating the facts of what the reality is. For just personal reasons or a perverted vision of.

Also, men accusing others of emasculateds, in this case a whole group, sounds funny. Now it would be nice to prove to all of us what kind of alpha male, super macho creature or masculine he is or they are.

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 05:31 PM
Just saying that you are denigrating the facts of what the reality is.
Also men accusing others of emasculateds, in this case a whole group, sounds funny. Now it would be nice to prove to all what kind of alpha male, super macho creature or masculine he is.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here...

member
03-19-2013, 05:33 PM
When somebody insults a gay guy the usually call them a girl or a fag, feminists find this to be problematic since femininity is used as something demeaning and therefore anti-woman or whatever.
Take america as an example, the biggest opponents of gay rights are also the ones who opposed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which is supposed to combat the gender wealth gap

Oh my goodness, they're making problem in a plain place. Imagine a situation where a girl who hysically looks in a certain way is called manly, I'm sure she will find that offensive. According to this logic lesbians should go and fight for men's rights.

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 05:46 PM
Oh my goodness, they're making problem in a plain place. Imagine a situation where a girl who hysically looks in a certain way is called manly, I'm sure she will find that offensive.

America politics influence the entire world, and right now the lgbt activists and the feminists are bed fellows


According to this logic lesbians should go and fight for men's rights.
If they want to....

GodAmongMen
03-19-2013, 05:52 PM
America politics influence the entire world

Unfortunately for the entire world

member
03-19-2013, 05:53 PM
America politics influence the entire world, and right now the lgbt activists and the feminists are bed fellows


If they want to....

I'm interested in how these feminists and LGBT got together in the first place. Present is present, it's a result.

Lorene
03-19-2013, 05:55 PM
Radical feminism is just of a tiny minority.
I see no point in using them to undermine women's rights in society. I'm a female. As a woman it is my social responsibility to advocate for women's rights and respect in society. Despite the false belief that we live in an egalitarian society. Here in Brazil, and Latin America, far from it.

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 05:55 PM
I'm interested in how these feminists and LGBT got together in the first place. Present is present, it's a result.
Don't have a clue, my guess is that feminism and lgbt both deal with gender issues.

Óttar
03-19-2013, 07:14 PM
Feminism in it's first wave, and perhaps its second was justified and necessary. Modern feminism basically consists in coining a bunch of gobbledy-gook phrases which they expect everyone to take seriously. Phrases like 'Male privilege.' Beyond 'male' + 'privilege', they never explain what this means exactly. If someone introduces a new phrase which is used in a sense which doesn't meet its dictionary definition, the burden is on the one introducing the phrase into the discourse to define it. For example, if I introduce the word kermawbafluffin into a conversation without defining it, I cannot expect people to take me seriously.

If these people were really feminists, they would have done something much more radical than coin a bunch of nonsense. A real feminist would, introduce a new system of MATRILINEAL surnames in counterposition with our present patrilineal system. Taking a woman's last name in marriage is not enough. The man would merely be taking his wife's father's last name. If a son has his surname from his mother, it is ultimately from his maternal grandfather which is still a name inherited from a man. I know a woman from South India who is changing her last name from Joseph (an Indian Christian surname) to Maria (a feminine surname among Indian Christians). This is an example of helping to create a new MATRILINEAL system. Bully for her, I like it.

Secondly, I think this new breed of radical feminists should live in communes and practice hetaerism (a kind of sexual gift-economy) in counterposition to the patriarchal (and yes, I do believe that patriarchy exists) practice of forging business-like fraternal links. In older times people practiced conjugal networks. In an Irish epic, Queen Madhbh extends to her champion, a "friendship of the thighs." There should be a rebel counter-society marked by matrilineality and hetaerism i.e. a polyandrous "friendship of the thighs."

Loki
03-19-2013, 08:16 PM
My intention is to impress you sweetie. Get back to the kitchen! And don't forget my beer.
Wow.



Are you a perfect example of masculinity?


I did a google search about, it seems be just a lie.

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 08:29 PM
My intention is to impress you sweetie. Get back to the kitchen! And don't forget my beer.

Loki! that no way to tread a lady!

first, you need to marry her before you start telling her what to do!

Loki
03-19-2013, 08:39 PM
EDIT: it was a typo. It is NOT my intention to impress her lol

Lemon Kush
03-19-2013, 08:47 PM
I'm against it. It encourages women to pursure careers and seek employment in jobs designed for men, when evolution and histroy has taught us that women are supposed to be caregivers and look after their children while men are supposed to supply the family with the food and income. Because of this many women are marrying and having children way too late and some aren't at all. The sad thing is in the end when they become middle aged they regret all of this. :(

Ibericus
03-19-2013, 08:47 PM
Feminism sucks big time, and it was created by the oligarchy so that woman could massively be part of the working force ie. more income for the capitalists. All of this wrapped with ideas of equality and good intentions,

Lemon Kush
03-19-2013, 08:53 PM
Feminism is a movement started by Jewish Lesbians.

Jarl
03-19-2013, 08:57 PM
Feminism sucks! This is what shouldve been done:

http://www.artsunlight.com/NN/N-I0005/N-I0005-0005-living-of-east-slavs.jpg

It's the devil's invention! In the East we have invented some remedies to deal with this cancerous depravity:

:Bondage1::Bondage1::Bondage1::Bondage1::Bondage1: :Bondage1:

Aredhel
03-19-2013, 08:59 PM
Radical feminism is wrong, I don't support this ideology and I don't think that men are evil.

For me, feminism fights for equality not for superiority, society isn't very equitative to be honest specially in Mexico, every day are commited femicides in some cities of Mexico, in some enterprises can dismiss women if they're pregnant, and sexual crimes aren't punished as it should be.

The goal of feminism is to finish with this kind of injustices, not trivialities such as the men urinate just like women, for me this isn't real feminism.

Mazik
03-19-2013, 09:02 PM
Loki, are you really the right man to call other men emasculated?

dapork
03-19-2013, 09:10 PM
I believe in equality and merit, but holding the biological differences between men and women in mind. That's a big part of the problem. There are opposing camps who disagree on wether there are any differences besides superficials ones. Well, in my own personal experience there are differences. To be brutally honest I can't stand feminism. My mother is a hardcore feminist and after divorcing my dad because he was macho and sexist (why'd they even get together in the first place?) she raised me in a very controlling way. Now, due to some particular circumstances I've moved back into her house for a while where she works all day and my step dad does nothing. That's how she'd want it right? No. She constantly acts victimized for the fact that she works. Everyday I clean the house while my younger sisters do nothing lol. My choice is either to be the cleaning lady or pay her rent. Cheaper to clean.;) Of course I'm not staying much longer cause it'll drive me mad.

My lesson from all that is that some feminism is motivated by anger and resentment for the masculine sex. But more to the point, there are still many injustices against women throughout the world. These ought to be rectified. But I oppose getting carried away and going to far in the opposite direction.

Aunt Hilda
03-19-2013, 09:13 PM
Feminism is a movement started by Jewish Lesbians.

Jews have been quite busy, haven't they? Lol you love conspiracy theories

Or are you referring to Emma Goldman?

Herr Abubu
03-19-2013, 09:28 PM
If feminism is the right for both genders to have the same choices and opportunities, then I'm all for it. If it's putting up quotas, sanctioning, etc. to make everything become 50/50, then I'm all against it.

The modern feminists are demagogues that are trying to stay relevant today. Most feminists got what they wanted a long time ago which is why there are more of the extremists left. These demagogues interpret absolutely everything through their green shaded binoculars of confirmation bias. They generally ignore any biological realities and blame it all on society. Gender equality, being the right for all genders to have the same opportunities, inherently means that there will be discrepancies, because of the biologically fueled choices the separate genders based on same opportunities. A documentary previously posted points this out. Therefore, by ignoring this inherent biological basis, they are not for gender equality. Another confirmation bias is income disparity. Income disparity between men and women is mainly due to the different career paths they tend to take. Feminists ignore this and interpret it as a male biased world. What is interesting about these feminists is that they -- unlike most women -- view the typically male dominated aspects of life as somehow superior, and even less demeaning. I think these women suffer from severe Electran complexes.

What they should focus on mainly is the situation of women in less fortunate places of the world, that's where the real problems are. I find it weird that they tend to ignore those women, often they even ignore these issues, and there is a laissez-faire attitude towards certain mysoginistic cultures, because it doesn't fit their politically correct leftist agenda.

GodAmongMen
03-20-2013, 03:57 AM
Feminism is a movement started by Jewish Lesbians.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQiRGcXEyUo

GodAmongMen
03-20-2013, 04:05 AM
Feminism sucks big time, and it was created by the oligarchy so that woman could massively be part of the working force ie. more income for the capitalists. All of this wrapped with ideas of equality and good intentions,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCpjmvaIgNA

SkyBurn
03-20-2013, 04:17 AM
I approve of feminism in theory. As a big fan of humanism, feminism is just another subbranch with the main message of political and social equality. Gender roles are quite constricting, and I do approve of anybody who has the ability to have the right. I do not believe that women should be forced into a role they do not want to their core, just as with men. Feminism gave our society a great number of things; suffrage and female education/employment being some of them.

But, some feminist branches have gone a tad rabid, and are forgetting some of their original foundations. Fortunately, this is not the majority, and most people nowadays are feminists without realising it. However, the Feminist movement has a little further to go. There are still a few issues (abortion, female salary, perspectives of female ability in the media, religious restriction...) which need to be addressed instead of random off-topic rabid feminazism.

Don't put the feminist movement down. If you're pro-abortion: congrats, you're a feminist. If you believe women should be allowed to work: congrats, you're a feminist. If you believe that women should not be shamed for the same levels of promiscuity as men: congrats, you're a feminist. If you believe that men should not be ashamed to be househusbands: congrats, you're a feminist.

If you're a humanist: congrats, you're a feminist.

Arbërori
03-20-2013, 04:22 AM
As long as they cook, clean, bare children & are good in bed, then it's fine by me.

rhiannon
03-20-2013, 04:45 AM
I'm old enough to remember a time when women were still generally given second class status. This was still the case in the early to mid 1970s....my young childhood.

Many young women of today take their rights for granted because they've never known anything else. Then some of them turn around and complain about the fact women are given equal consideration on most things. It's a slap in the face to our foremothers' who fought very hard to ensure future generations of women could look forward to a life where their vote counted, and they'd be allowed to pursue their own goals.

Some women talk about going back to the days of being nothing more than chattel. To that I say no effing thanks

Feminism hasn't been perfect, but I am glad for it nonetheless. Otherwise, if I'm gonna bitch about it, I may as well just move my happy ass to the Middle East!

StonyArabia
03-20-2013, 05:27 AM
A positive development to be honest. Feminism has brought and expanded the feminine potential like nothing before. Feminism is about equality at it's core and this what it stands for in reality. Thus I support Feminism that's is true to it's character, and even would have no problem transplanting itself in places where it's truly needed. However some people who call themselves Feminist are just Men-haters have only done disservice to women. I never believed females were inferior to males, they just have different roles, but some of those roles can be changed in one way or another, thus it's not set in stone. In general I have no problem with true Feminism.

Lorene
03-20-2013, 01:59 PM
My intention is to impress you sweetie. Get back to the kitchen! And don't forget my beer.

Accusing others or almost a whole group of emasculateds looked easy to you. Now proving yourself an example of manhood is not easy,
I agree behind a computer screen things really are easy for anyone. I'm afraid you IRL is kind of a joke.

Grenzland
03-22-2013, 11:07 AM
Feminism was good until the feminists exaggerated.

It's ok that women and men have the same rights and the same chances. Now they have. ( at least in Germany )

But now they just seek for sexism until they find something really senseless. E.g. the word student is actually for men but also used for women equally. I don't know why but this is pure sexism from hell and now the University calls them "people who study".

I hope every female student in Germany is now happy. :picard2:

The biggest problem for feminists in Germany is actually what direction they want to go. Some say there are no genders. Everybody can be what he wants to be. The others say women are discriminated every second of their life. They hate each other because they are opposites. :D If you are discriminated as woman, just be a man. And there can't be sexism if there are no genders...

That's complete nonsense.


The ONLY thing that's good about this is that the male concurrence for me is sometimes believing this crap. :D

I saw much better looking guys screwing everything up because they think they shouldn't act like a man! :D
But (surprise) the girls act like girls...

Loki
03-22-2013, 05:05 PM
Accusing others or almost a whole group of emasculateds looked easy to you. Now proving yourself an example of manhood is not easy,
I agree behind a computer screen things really are easy for anyone. I'm afraid you IRL is kind of a joke.

Why don't you ask Swedish men yourself :) Or Norwegian, for that matter. They have the same problem, but perhaps it's not as bad there as in Sweden.

Loki
03-22-2013, 05:12 PM
And can you believe it! Here is some evidence for Lorene:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?74004-quot-Norwegian-women-find-their-men-to-be-too-feminine-and-soft-quot

Now that the feminists in Norway have emasculated the men too much, they want their men harder again. lol. You can't fight against instinct. Men were not made to sit down and pee (as a figure of speech).

Mazik
03-22-2013, 05:45 PM
Why don't you ask Swedish men yourself :) Or Norwegian, for that matter. They have the same problem, but perhaps it's not as bad there as in Sweden.

I'm still waiting for an answer what makes you so masculine and have the right to call us emasculated.

Loki
03-22-2013, 06:20 PM
I'm still waiting for an answer what makes you so masculine and have the right to call us emasculated.

I don't need to look like Schwarzenegger in order to come to such a conclusion. One doesn't have to be "masculine" in order for your brain to function. So your question doesn't lead anywhere. I could be very masculine, or not at all, yet still have logic to think and make an assessment. You're trying to make this personal. It isn't. If you feel my views on Sweden and feminism etc are incorrect, why do you think people think this? Surely I'm not the first to say it.

Lorene
03-22-2013, 06:31 PM
Why don't you ask Swedish men yourself :) Or Norwegian, for that matter. They have the same problem, but perhaps it's not as bad there as in Sweden.

You lied for me when said there people are forced to sit down when pee, it's a lie. Sorry but accusing others men of non masculine is just self defensive.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/40879-Gender-in-Sweden?p=1107940&viewfull=1#post1107940

Loki
03-22-2013, 06:36 PM
You lied for me when said there people are forced to sit down when pee, it's a lie. Sorry but accusing others men of non masculine is just self defensive.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/40879-Gender-in-Sweden?p=1107940&viewfull=1#post1107940

You simply don't get it, do you? It's a criticism of their society, not a personal insult to any Swede men. They are not to blame for this. You don't need to make a debate personal.

I've heard about the sit-down-pee thing, it is encouraged by feminists there. I did not literally mean "forced".

Loki
03-22-2013, 06:42 PM
You lied for me when said there people are forced to sit down when pee, it's a lie.

Refer to this thread: Swedish politicians want men to pee sitting down (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?52250-Swedish-politicians-want-men-to-pee-sitting-down)

Lorene
03-22-2013, 06:44 PM
You simply don't get it, do you? It's a criticism of their society, not a personal insult to any Swede men. They are not to blame for this. You don't need to make a debate personal.
The problem was that you made a generalization, talking to other men emasculated the net is easy, but actually prove yourself in IRL is it so easy to you?


I've heard about the sit-down-pee thing, it is encouraged by feminists there. I did not literally mean "forced".
Nah. You said they were forced, for example, there are evangelical pastors who preach the castration of gays in Brazil, how is that a fact or a law in Brazil? Like in Sweden are just extremist propaging their ideas, it does not mean it happens in reality.

Loki
03-22-2013, 06:56 PM
The problem was that you made a generalization, talking to other men emasculated the net is easy, but actually prove yourself in IRL is it so easy to you?


Stop acting like a child. I did not say your pretty Swedish model boys that you always like to post are non-masculine.

I stand by my words, you seem to be unable to allow criticism for things you hold dear?

Loki
03-22-2013, 06:58 PM
Another one for you Lorene:

"Norwegian women find Norwegian men too soft" (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?74004-quot-Norwegian-women-find-their-men-to-be-too-feminine-and-soft-quot)

Lorene
03-22-2013, 07:04 PM
Stop acting like a child. I did not say your pretty Swedish model boys that you always like to post are non-masculine.
I stand by my words, you seem to be unable to allow criticism for things you hold dear?
How masculine is yourself, Loki? That was my question. You look very defensive when accusing others men of whom you aren't familiar with.

Lorene
03-22-2013, 07:10 PM
Another one for you Lorene:

"Norwegian women find Norwegian men too soft" (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?74004-quot-Norwegian-women-find-their-men-to-be-too-feminine-and-soft-quot)

I have no idea what was wrote there, I used the google translator, however, there's a same critical article about American men

Materialist and metro: has today’s modern man become too feminine?
http://www.bupipedream.com/release/3466/materialist-and-metro-has-todays-modern-man-become-too-feminine/

How is it just a Norwegian phenomenon so?

Loki
03-22-2013, 07:12 PM
How masculine is yourself, Loki? That was my question. You look very defensive when accusing others men of whom you aren't familiar with.

Of what relevance is my masculinity? What on earth is wrong with your logic? My masculinity has nothing to do with it.

And open your eyes, I'm not accusing other specific men of anything, but accusing a culture/trend.

Grenzland
03-22-2013, 07:15 PM
I have no idea what was wrote there, I used the google translator, however, there's a same critical article about American men

Materialist and metro: has today’s modern man become too feminine?
http://www.bupipedream.com/release/3466/materialist-and-metro-has-todays-modern-man-become-too-feminine/

How is it just a Norwegian phenomenon so?

No it is not just a Norwegian phenomenon. I would say it is a Western problem.

Methusalem
03-22-2013, 07:16 PM
Of what relevance is my masculinity? What on earth is wrong with your logic? My masculinity has nothing to do with it.

And open your eyes, I'm not accusing other specific men of anything, but accusing a culture/trend.

Lorene always remains on the argumentum ad hominem to win an argument. Don't be suprised about her personal attacks buddy.

gori
03-22-2013, 07:18 PM
western woman irritate me , they want equality but refuse to shed the privileges their sex offers them. I find it disgusting how their react than it is mentioned that there exist male specific problems that should be addressed .

Loki
03-22-2013, 07:18 PM
Lorene always remains on the argumentum ad hominem to win an argument. Don't be suprised about her personal attacks buddy.

Well she better shape up, this is not how we debate. And that tactic will never make her win an argument. Not on this forum, anyway. Personal attacks are not allowed.

Lorene
03-22-2013, 07:19 PM
Of what relevance is my masculinity? What on earth is wrong with your logic? My masculinity has nothing to do with it.

And open your eyes, I'm not accusing other specific men of anything, but accusing a culture/trend.

You did,


I didn't say Sweden was a women-ruled society. It would be impossible for that and still be competitive :P

But, the vast majority of males are emasculated. I know what I'm talking about. Go on, ask Scandinavian men here. I'm talking about attitudes. They are even forced to sit down to urinate, since these feminists are jealous that they can't stand up and pee like a man.

Right, I'm going out of debate, I will not waste my time here. Sorry to say your responses were defensive, you did not prove how masculine you are when accusing others. Masculinity is for me is take on, including up to own mistakes.

Sikeliot
03-22-2013, 07:19 PM
My view of feminism has changed since I have actually learned more about it. I do consider myself a feminist (yes, men can be feminists too)... all it means is that you believe men and women should have equal rights.

Methusalem
03-22-2013, 07:21 PM
The biggest problem for feminists in Germany is actually what direction they want to go. Some say there are no genders. Everybody can be what he wants to be. The others say women are discriminated every second of their life. They hate each other because they are opposites. :D If you are discriminated as woman, just be a man. And there can't be sexism if there are no genders...


Another thing in Germany is that recently sparked debate about a 'sexist' German politican called Brüderle. Today in Germans feminist eyes it is even called sexism if you just try to approach a girl.

Loki
03-22-2013, 07:29 PM
You did,


You still fail to distinguish between a criticism of society, and personally insulting someone.



Right, I'm going out of debate, I will not waste my time here. Sorry to say your responses were defensive, you did not prove how masculine you are when accusing others. Masculinity is for me is take on, including up to own mistakes.

Good riddance.

Grenzland
03-22-2013, 07:29 PM
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/409321_112041835584951_1021298226_n.jpg

In English:

"Even a compliment can be a sexual harassment!"

:picard2:

Loki
03-22-2013, 07:32 PM
In English:

"Even a compliment can be a sexual harassment!"

:picard2:

That is the most ridiculous thing ever.

Grenzland
03-22-2013, 07:34 PM
That is the most ridiculous thing ever.

http://www.meinparlament.at/picture/web/88.jpg

The supporters. (Not in Mainz but in Vienna)

Nothing more to say.

Loki
03-22-2013, 07:35 PM
http://www.meinparlament.at/picture/web/88.jpg

The supporters. (Not in Mainz but in Vienna)

Nothing more to say.

Now I understand :picard1:

Methusalem
03-22-2013, 07:36 PM
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/409321_112041835584951_1021298226_n.jpg

In English:

"Even a compliment can be a sexual harassment!"

:picard2:

The funny thing is that the other way around it is always seen as a compliment and not as a sexual harassement. So now dear feminazis (not you Grenzland ;) ) how can males try to get in contact with females for procreation without having a sexual undertone in their conversation. Should the approach of females look like a job interview in a business concern?

Methusalem
03-22-2013, 07:37 PM
http://www.meinparlament.at/picture/web/88.jpg

The supporters. (Not in Mainz but in Vienna)

Nothing more to say.

Who insane male wants to approach them?

Loki
03-22-2013, 07:40 PM
Who insane male wants to approach them?

For the right one there is no hope. The left one can lose the glasses and dress better ... and buy a blonde wig. Then, yeah maybe :)

Grenzland
03-22-2013, 07:42 PM
For the right one there is no hope.

:rotfl

dapork
03-22-2013, 10:19 PM
More and more I've been seeing similarities between feminism and teenage rebelliousness. I'm not trying to belittle feminism for kicks, or say that women don't need more equality in certain areas, but consider the following:

When a kid reaches adolescence and is given more rights, he begins to be aware of his own capabilities and naturally tries to take advantage. He goes to the extreme, becomes rebellious, trying to affirm his independence in his own mind and in the eyes of others. In short, he goes too far, trying to escape from the constraints of childhood. But then there is usually a point where the teenager has second thoughts and starts to realize how good he had it, and he realizes just how difficult freedom and responsibility is.

In a way, men have been more synonymous with adults historically, while women have occupied a more child-like role in social structures. Now that women have been receiving more and more rights, they become carried away, intoxicated by the freedom, and start becoming extremists (I'm generalizing here). Due their efforts, and men caving in (and everyone wanting to get along I guess), we've allowed men to feminize themselves in order to accommodate feminism. This happens more in the West obviously.

Now that men have become more feminized, women are starting to realize what they've lost. They're losing the manly men that their biology still craves. They didn't realize what they were doing because it was a new experience for them, just like a teenager experiencing independence for the first time. So just like someone said Western women are going for Middle-Easters, or other more traditional men, that's like the teenager returning home to his comfort zone.

It's just a theory but I think it makes sense. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if others have pointed this out already.

safinator
07-01-2014, 10:14 AM
First wave feminism is an ideology which could really benefit third world countries where females can't vote, study and in general are oppressed as a rule.

Feminism in Europe/The West today is nothing more than penis envy mixed with Cultural Marxist dogma hidden under the pretense of Equality.

Alenka
07-01-2014, 10:33 AM
http://cdn.webfail.com/upl/img/9abe9a81ec7/post2.jpg

Fear Fiain
07-01-2014, 10:39 AM
my thoughts on feminism? Take em all, put em up against a wall and shoot em...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azHoQC-hjXs

Maleficent
07-01-2014, 10:47 AM
First wave feminism is an ideology which could really benefit third world countries where females can't vote, study and in general are oppressed as a rule.

Feminism in Europe/The West today is nothing more than penis envy mixed with Cultural Marxist dogma hidden under the pretense of Equality.

This is my exact view on feminism:

1. I love first-wave, but hate third/fourth-wave.

2. The third-world is in serious need of it, but the West never really needed it at all.

Herr Abubu
07-01-2014, 10:48 AM
Everything about feminism is wrong and nothing about feminism is right. Those of you who support the first wave are ignorant; when the fourth wave comes, you will claim to love the second wave but hate the third and the fourth wave and so on ad infinitum.

Fear Fiain
07-01-2014, 10:59 AM
This is my exact view on feminism:

1. I love first-wave, but hate third/fourth-wave.

2. The third-world is in serious need of it, but the West never really needed it at all.

first wave was shit too, and a communist plot.
and the third world will always be shit. we just need to breed them out and push them out, until the whole world is white christians

Maleficent
07-01-2014, 11:22 AM
first wave was shit too, and a communist plot.
and the third world will always be shit.
1. You're off your rocker if you think Saudi Arabia doesn't need first-wave feminism.

we just need to breed them out and push them out, until the whole world is white christians
2. Now that's hardly the Christian thing, not mention a contradiction to the foundation of Christianity and the people who founded it.

Fear Fiain
07-01-2014, 11:30 AM
1. You're off your rocker if you think Saudi Arabia doesn't need first-wave feminism.

2. Now that's hardly the Christian thing, not mention a contradiction to the foundation of Christianity and the people who founded it.

didn't say it doesn't need it, just that it won't happen there. those are two very different concepts.
but feminism is no substitute for replacing islam with christianity, and having a religion where husbands and wives love and submit to one another, rather than one where wives submit to their husband or get hit, and men have 4 wives but countless sex slaves, and view wives as basically a housepet with a vagina.

Maleficent
07-01-2014, 11:36 AM
didn't say it doesn't need it, just that it won't happen there. those are two very different concepts.
but feminism is no substitute for replacing islam with christianity, and having a religion where husbands and wives love and submit to one another, rather than one where wives submit to their husband or get hit, and men have 4 wives but countless sex slaves, and view wives as basically a housepet with a vagina.

No one said feminism is replacing Islam instead of Christianity. That wasn't implied at all. You totally interpreted this all wrong. I'm not an uppity type of Christian like you. I realize where the priorities lie and that Muslim women should be liberated first, then converted.

Fear Fiain
07-01-2014, 11:41 AM
No one said feminism is replacing Islam instead of Christianity. That wasn't implied at all. You totally interpreted this all wrong. I'm not an uppity type of Christian like you. I realize where the priorities lie and that Muslim women should be liberated first, then converted.

Sure. set the slaves free. but if you allow them to keep islam, they'll be slaves again in at most two generations. Look at the Islamic revolution in once-secular Iran. Or the death of Secularism in Turkey...

Minesweeper
07-01-2014, 12:05 PM
Movement which had potential to extract the best from women and offer it to the society but nowadays, extracts the very worst.

KeinMitleid
07-07-2014, 06:38 PM
I think that feminism, especially the modern more radical strains, is detrimental to both genders. Men and Women are different, and both are very necessary. They have different roles and that should be respected.

Goose
07-13-2014, 09:10 PM
Society functions best when man and woman each performs their specialized role. Feminism in my opinion, has not been to the benefit of the majority of women and if anything has made their lives worse. By supposedly empowering women and forcing them into typically male occupations it denigrates natural needed roles such as caregivers and housewives, as something bad and inferior. The additional burden on women to achieve such goals has made there lived more stressful. Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers of the University of Pennsylvania, found that in the U.S., women's happiness had fallen 'both absolutely and relatively to that of men'.

In turn Feminism has emasculated men, the traditional societal expectations on men to be strong,rational and a provider has been reduced. This have left women to their detriment less proficient males to depend upon and mate with.
Furthermore feminism has brought down traditional western monogamy into the primal ape polygamy we see now. Such is seen in clubbing and other social environment's. All in all feminism has been been a catastrophe to both sexes, but primarily the average woman.

Bobby Martnen
02-11-2018, 11:45 PM
It needs to die a fiery death