Iberian/Italic mixes

[Baluarte]

I've started to compile a few lists of people with mixed descent.
I'd like to show you a few pictures of Iberian and Italian mixes that I've found, so you can tell me which is the most prevalent anthropological type that results.

I've been unable to find people of Portuguese/Italian mixed descent, so if you could contribute a tad with that, I'd be very grateful.

Ninfa Hayes (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Writer, her English name comes from her husband.

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/ciu/5d/cb/674291906f030a20e32fc6.L._V141523366_SX200_.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YKrzvoWA3tM/UDgAWI3adgI/AAAAAAAABSw/2VbomZM0odA/s1600/460038_325304274193775_1921809858_o.jpg
http://lurkingmusings.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/top-hat2.jpg

Cedric Bottarlini (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Chef, Born and raised in France

http://www.advertiser.ie/images/2008/09/1680_thumb.jpg
http://galwayindependent.com/data/images/newsimages/2012-05/p_VinaMaraWallImagesandChef-12_1.jpg

Alfred Molina (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Actor, born and raised in the UK

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rMX9BDfK0V0/UNPV6epclbI/AAAAAAAAJQg/jU3hwHQGZ_Q/s1600/Alfred+Molina.jpg
http://www.celebritiesheight.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Alfred-Molina.jpg
http://www.fond-ecran21.com/photos/alfred-molina-001a/Alfred-Molina-001a.jpg

Maria Entraigues (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Actress, born and raised in Argentina

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/6/f71e2cc81118450ba01ff13f62e6922b/l.jpg
http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/vV4epYV6DPA/mqdefault.jpg
http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/24/ef5d29ac2c00475d9713862ac991301b/l.jpg

Eric Cantona (3/4 Spanish, 1/4 Sardinian): Footballer, his parents and himself were born and raised in France.

http://www.nicobuzz.com/wp-content/eric-cantona1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Eric_Cantona_Cannes_2009.jpg/200px-Eric_Cantona_Cannes_2009.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gaQJa8m_ATU/TOrisQ7_wdI/AAAAAAAAAJA/D2QQrA8YmAI/s400/cantona-bankrun.jpg

Antonio Echeverria: (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Actor and model

http://antonioecheverria.com/uploads/3/1/0/2/3102870/5194881_orig.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3209540352/nm2608416 (Gallery, 15 pics available, click next in the lower right corner to scroll)

Miguel Bose (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Singer. Raised in Spain.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Miguel_Bos%C3%A9_2008.06.26_009.jpg
http://www.notirapida.com/images/noticias/23045-notirapida-miguel-bose-mellisz[1].jpg
http://mm06.batanga.com/media/Artist/5/MiguelBose-320x240-11731.jpg

[Sikeliot]

They really go either way, I think it's highly variable.

The first woman looks much more Iberian, but the guy you posted just below her looks 100% Italian. And as I had said, I look much more Sicilian (though not full), and my brother you'd never guess as Italian but looks fully Portuguese like my grandmother.

[Damião de Góis]

These people are extremely rare in their own countries. I don't know of any of such mixes from my country.

[Baluarte]

These people are extremely rare in their own countries. I don't know of any of such mixes from my country.

No wonder I wasn't able to find any Half Portuguese/Half Italian person. There seems to be more intermixing between Spain and Italy though.

I studied in Paris with a guy who was also Half Spanish/Half Tuscan. Curious surnames too: Pizarroso Ceruti.

[Armand_Duval]

These people are extremely rare in their own countries. I don't know of any of such mixes from my country.

What are you talking about?....:picard1:

I dont think they are "extremely rare" this time you're exaggerating a lot.

These would be extremely rare in iberia as in italy.

http://www.nuevatribuna.es/media//nuevatribuna/images/2012/02/11/2012021100365626045.jpg


But not the ones this post is about, they perfectly fit.

[Sikeliot]

Iberian/Italic mixes are common in Argentina and Brazil but probably not so much in Europe.

[Armand_Duval]

Iberian/Italic mixes are common in Argentina and Brazil but probably not so much in Europe.


I dont think they are that "rare" actually....

[Damião de Góis]

What are you talking about?....:picard1:

I dont think they are "extremely rare" this time you're exaggerating a lot.

These would be extremely rare in iberia as in italy.

http://www.nuevatribuna.es/media//nuevatribuna/images/2012/02/11/2012021100365626045.jpg


But not the ones this post is about, they perfectly fit.

An iberian/italian mix would be something exotic in Spain, Portugal or Italy. It simply doesn't exist. In the new world these mixes are more common.

[Smaug]

These people are extremely rare in their own countries. I don't know of any of such mixes from my country.


Iberian/Italic mixes are common in Argentina and Brazil but probably not so much in Europe.

These people are very very common where I live. Most of white people in São Paulo are Portuguese + Italian mixes, I myself have both. They would look very typical here, if I saw them on the streets I would never guess them as foreigners.

[Armand_Duval]

An iberian/italian mix would be something exotic in Spain, Portugal or Italy. It simply doesn't exist. In the new world these mixes are more common.

All of the mentioned by OP are europeans but one.

[Lábaru]

At least in this pics, these two looks very Spanish.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Eric_Cantona_Cannes_2009.jpg/200px-Eric_Cantona_Cannes_2009.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gaQJa8m_ATU/TOrisQ7_wdI/AAAAAAAAAJA/D2QQrA8YmAI/s400/cantona-bankrun.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

All of the mentioned by OP are europeans but one.

Europeans from where? I suppose they are not from Spain, Portugal or Italy.

But of course i could be wrong and people are mixing like crazy...

[Armand_Duval]

Europeans from where? I suppose they are not from Spain, Portugal or Italy.

But of course i could be wrong and people are mixing like crazy...



Cedric Bottarlini (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Chef, Born and raised in France


Alfred Molina (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Actor, born and raised in the UK


Eric Cantona (3/4 Spanish, 1/4 Sardinian): Footballer, his parents and himself were born and raised in France.


Miguel Bose (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Singer. Raised in Spain.

:picard1:

Mixing is a word that should be better applied to inter racial couples, not among white europeans I believe.

[Sikeliot]

We should find examples from the New World including multigenerationally mixed Portuguese/Italian from Brazil and Spanish/Italian from Argentina to compare them.

[Damião de Góis]

Cedric Bottarlini (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Chef, Born and raised in France


Alfred Molina (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Actor, born and raised in the UK


Eric Cantona (3/4 Spanish, 1/4 Sardinian): Footballer, his parents and himself were born and raised in France.


Miguel Bose (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Singer. Raised in Spain.

:picard1:

Mixing is a word that should be better applied to inter racial couples, not among white europeans I believe.

UK and France... these are immigrants. I was right that these people were not common in Portugal, Spain and Italy.

These people are mixed, they are neither italian, spanish or portuguese... but "mixed".

[Armand_Duval]

^^^^ How come???? i constantly hear about spanish forist here and there talking about one grand parent being french or italian, etc. If we were talking about polish/spaniards or /bulgarian/spaniards or finnish/spaniard that would be extremely rare I agree.

[Incal]

You will find tons of those in Argentina. The textbook example IMO is Vicentico (Gabriel Julio Fernández Capello):

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_30wconozqlY/TQdwUkj05sI/AAAAAAAABKY/gNKOeIN5dfw/s1600/vicentico.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0vgJOStQAxw/UEF2RuFHozI/AAAAAAAAAKc/VYPUtsor854/s1600/Foto.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yaEJea2tCLQ/UNOCFKgOL8I/AAAAAAAAk1c/1vgNf7eUvCk/s1600/Vicentico+Fern%C3%A1ndez05.jpg

http://www.brownplanet.com/images/artists/pictures/vicentico-striking-a-pose-picture.jpg

[Armand_Duval]

Luis Miguel is a good example, half italian half spanish, raised in México.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfGc8PLZgaY

[Damião de Góis]

^^^^ How come???? i constantly hear about spanish forist here and there talking about one grand parent being french or italian, etc. If we were talking about polish/spaniards or /bulgarian/spaniards or finnish/spaniard that would be extremely rare I agree.

Really? I didn't know this was true for the spanish posters here.

[Anthropologique]

Cedric Bottarlini (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Chef, Born and raised in France


Alfred Molina (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Actor, born and raised in the UK[


Eric Cantona (3/4 Spanish, 1/4 Sardinian): Footballer, his parents and himself were [B]born and raised in France.


Miguel Bose (Half Spanish/Half Italian): Singer. Raised in Spain.

:picard1:

Mixing is a word that should be better applied to inter racial couples, not among white europeans I believe.

Yes, to the last sentence.

[Anthropologique]

Portuguese / Italian and Portuguese / Irish marriages are fairly common in the U.S. North-east.

[Armand_Duval]

Really? I didn't know this was true for the spanish posters here.


Whatever, Im not going to argue with you about this, after all youre a portuguese who live in europe, you should know more about this than I, it is only that I dont think "extremely rare" is the correct term to describe these very likely mixtures to take place as if italy and iberia were saparated by 13 000 miles of ocean.....

[Baluarte]

Thanks for the reference of "Vicentico" Incal.

Gives me some comfort to know there is someone else in the world that has the same ugly brow/eyes combination I have.

[Lábaru]

^^^^ How come???? i constantly hear about spanish forist here and there talking about one grand parent being french or italian, etc. If we were talking about polish/spaniards or /bulgarian/spaniards or finnish/spaniard that would be extremely rare I agree.


Yo creo que casi todos los de aquí somos españoles hasta que nuestras familias tienen memoria eh, en realidad no conozco a casi nadie en la vida real casado con un italiano/a.

[Prince Carlo]

Vanessa Incontrada

http://digilander.libero.it/Vanessa_Incontrada/index.1.jpghttp://immagini.tipiace.it/gallery/vanessa-incontrada/vanessa-incontrada-8.jpghttp://www.ivid.it/fotogallery/imagesearch/images/incontrada_vanessa_showgirlattrice_053_jpg_rmib.jp g

[alfieb]

Portuguese / Italian and Portuguese / Irish marriages are fairly common in the U.S. North-east.
Only the Boston area. In NY/Philly/Baltimore there aren't many Portuguese at all. Brazilians, but no PT.

[Anthropologique]

Only the Boston area. In NY/Philly/Baltimore there aren't many Portuguese at all. Brazilians, but no PT.

NJ has a significant PT community. Quite a few are from N. Portugal - rare in the U.S.

[Anthropologique]

Vanessa Incontrada

http://digilander.libero.it/Vanessa_Incontrada/index.1.jpghttp://immagini.tipiace.it/gallery/vanessa-incontrada/vanessa-incontrada-8.jpghttp://www.ivid.it/fotogallery/imagesearch/images/incontrada_vanessa_showgirlattrice_053_jpg_rmib.jp g

Great looking!

[gold_fenix]

el contaminado aqui soy yo con sangre centroeuropea hace 5 generaciones

[sgillespie]

Vanessa Incontrada

http://digilander.libero.it/Vanessa_Incontrada/index.1.jpghttp://immagini.tipiace.it/gallery/vanessa-incontrada/vanessa-incontrada-8.jpghttp://www.ivid.it/fotogallery/imagesearch/images/incontrada_vanessa_showgirlattrice_053_jpg_rmib.jp g

AH! You were quicker than me! That's the one I wanted to post. Italian father and spanish mother.

[Sikeliot]

Most of these mixes look pretty standard West-Central Euro. Unless the Italian part comes from the far south, that will pretty much be the case.

[EF10]

the first woman looks like a guy.

[Comte Arnau]

Alberto Ginastera, 20th-century Argentinian composer. Catalan father, Italian mother. (I'm guessing North Italian, but just a wild guess)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8Mq37OfDl0g/TaGvG8ICDgI/AAAAAAAABSg/FU9kilBFFik/s400/Alberto+Ginastera01.jpg


Bruno Oro, Catalan actor. Neapolitan father, Catalan mother.

http://www.laguiago.com/upload/fotos/noticias/bruno_oro_med.jpg


As for Vanessa Incontrada, does anybody know her mother's surname?

[askra]

Some photos of Sardinian nobles with both sardinian and castilian or catalan surnames (though great part of these surnames are disappeared in Spain).


Giovanni Asquer Pes
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Giovanni_asquer.jpg


Vincenzo Manca Sanjust di Teulada
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Vincenzo_manca_sanjust.jpg

Vittorio Pilo Boyl
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/1_vittorio_pilo_boyl.jpg

Pietro Pilo Boyl Vacca
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Pietro_pilo_boyl.jpg

Family Canelles Cocco
http://www.canelles.it/Foto%20sito/Photo%20Galley/famiglia%20Ballero_web.jpg
http://www.canelles.it/Foto%20sito/Photo%20Galley/gruppo%20canelles%20web.jpg

Vincenzina Canelles Ballero
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Vincenzina_canelles_ballero.jpg

Gaetano Canelles Ballero
http://www.canelles.it/Foto%20sito/Photo%20Galley/Gaetano%20canelles%201937.jpg

Efisio Canelles Cocco
http://www.canelles.it/Foto%20sito/Photo%20Galley/Efisio%20Canelles%201937.jpg

Ignazio Aymerich di Laconi
http://www.araldicasardegna.org/immagini/ignazio_aymerich.jpg

The politician Enrico Berlinguer
http://mediastore3.magnumphotos.com/CoreXDoc/MAG/Media/TR2/0/b/f/2/PAR159426.jpg

Maria Manca Villahermosa Aymerich
http://www.araldicasardegna.org/immagini/maria_manca_aymerich.jpg


Giacomo Pes Villahermosa
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/1_giacomo_pes.jpg

Vittorio Pilo Boyl Roberti
http://www.araldicasardegna.org/immagini/pilo_boyl.jpg

Luigi Vaquer Paderi
http://www.araldicasardegna.org/immagini/luigi_vacquer.jpg

Antonina Loriga Martinez
[http://www.araldicasardegna.org/immagini/martinez_alasia.jpg

Luigia Serra De Quesada
http://www.araldicasardegna.org/immagini/luigia_serra2.jpg

Cosimo Serra Pilo Boyl
http://www.araldicasardegna.org/immagini/cosimo_serra.jpg

Enrico Manca Sanjust
http://www.araldicasardegna.org/immagini/enrico_manca_aymerich.jpg

Giuseppe Manno Diaz
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Giuseppe_Manno_1.jpg/200px-Giuseppe_Manno_1.jpg

[Comte Arnau]

I can recognize Sanjust, Teulada, Canelles, Aymerich, Vaquer and Serra as Catalan surnames indeed.

Those ending in -ez, as well as Quesada and Villahermosa, are clearly Spanish.

[Atlantic Islander]

Portuguese / Italian and Portuguese / Irish marriages are fairly common in the U.S. North-east.

The west coast is different: Portuguese/Swiss, Portuguese/English, Portuguese/German, Portuguese/Swedish... etc.

There's also Portuguese/Mexican & Portuguese/Filipino.

And in Hawaii there are Portuguese/Hawaiian mixed people as well.

[Atlantic Islander]

NJ has a significant PT community. Quite a few are from N. Portugal - rare in the U.S.

You are too obvious.

[askra]

I can recognize Sanjust, Teulada, Canelles, Aymerich, Vaquer and Serra as Catalan surnames indeed.

Those ending in -ez, as well as Quesada and Villahermosa, are clearly Spanish.

Yes, however Serra is a common surname also in Sardinia (the 4th most common surname here).

[Incal]

José "Pepe" Mujica Cordano, the president of Uruguay:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HI2vc79DqbU/UUnuNlUOwpI/AAAAAAAAmwQ/67CgAlPQ_ec/s1600/pepe+mujica+papa+bergoglio+francisco+ateismo+mate+ dios+jesus+biblia+cristianismo+noticia+actualidad. jpg


Mujica was born on 20 May 1935, to Demetrio Mujica, of Spanish Basque ancestry, and Lucy Cordano, of Italian descent.[2] In his youth, Mujica was active in the National Party, where he became close to Enrique Erro.

His mother's family was composed of very poor Italian immigrants from Piemonte. His mother was born in Carmelo, where her parents, growers of vines, bought five acres in Colonia Estrella to cultivate vineyards. His father was a small farmer who went bankrupt shortly before his death in 1940 when Mujica was five.

[Ibericus]

There was a Italian/Portuguese mixed user here in the forum, a redhaired woman from Brazil. But I agree that such mixes in Iberia are rare. I've never known in real life a spanish/italian mix...

[ChocolateFace]

Most Caucasians in South America are pretty much Iberian/Italian mixes.