Hollywood White washing every role and this makes white people look bad.

[ButlerKing]

This kind of white washing white actors in non-white roles will make people think that WHITE HISTORY is full lies and manipulation. It's not only that it's embarrassing and pathetic stealing non-Asian role.

They made Prince of Persia white
They made Avatars White
They made every Japanese based characters white
They made the funny Indian guy white
They made famous Taiwanese doctor white
They made the man negotiated with with hostage white
They made Bane white
They made Goku white
They made 21 White
They made Speed race white

And the list goes on....... every time is white washed and changed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv3wjBXhq1E



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzB4Bt1N0Ro

[Maleficent]

I don't see the problem with Prince of Persia. That's what the ancient Persians looked like. But I guess it's not considered politically correct to show that. The original Prince of Persia video game character, which the film is based off of, even had blue eyes. At least they didn't portray the Persians completely wrong, like the movie 300.

[ButlerKing]

I mean come on man, Prince of Persia was one of my favorite games and he looked Iranian just like modern Iranian. I still went to watch the movie anyway even though I had a feeling it was going to be a shitty movie.


Blue eyes with Iranoid features does NOT = White American man with anglo saxon features. The idea that "hey we whites can be like Persians too" is just embarrassing.

Besides that I can never ignore the fact that a White American plays the role of a dark skin Iranian during the whole movie while the minority cast are Iranian looking people.

http://andymatic.com/images/prince_of_persia.jpg

And giving him fake tan skin

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cT_l_Jy4-r4/TArKlTwrvnI/AAAAAAAAAhg/yRERC02B83M/s1600/2010_prince_of_persia_the_sands_of_time_026%5B1%5D .jpg

[Oneeye]

Is casting a wog such as Sacha Baron Cohen really still considered "white washing?"

[Maleficent]

The video also describes Javier Bardem as catering to Latino audiences. He's a Spaniard.:picard2:

[2012JD]

It's called entertainment . Hollywood is pure entertainment . And honestly who would have watch Prince of Persia if it wasn't played by handsome Jake Gyllenhaal ??? Definitely not me lol

[ButlerKing]

Here, this handsome Iranians with blue eyes would be most suited for the role

http://misterhandsomemanarchives.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/persian_models_farzan_athari08.jpg

[ButlerKing]

It's called entertainment . Hollywood is pure entertainment . And honestly who would have watch Prince of Persia if it wasn't played by handsome Jake Gyllenhaal ??? Definitely not me lol

And that is why people say........ WHITE HISTORY IS BULLSHIT. Hollywood is definitely washing history and non-white roles...... you may call it entertainment but is brainwashing our heads with these lies with what the people should have been.

If we keep stealing role's that have nothing to do with Europeans or American whites, people will think we are just using bullshit excuses to make white people look good.

[2012JD]

Here, this handsome Iranians with blue eyes would be most suited for the role

http://misterhandsomemanarchives.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/persian_models_farzan_athari08.jpg

He's ugly and he's not well known , he looks like a Bollywood actor and prince of Persia is a movie distributed by Walt Disney Studios. It's all marketing

[Damião de Góis]

Actually the original Prince of Persia was blonde, so hollywood actually made it closer to reality.

http://www.gameranx.com/img/12-Mar/pop.gif

[ButlerKing]

He's ugly and he's not well known , he looks like a Bollywood actor and prince of Persia is a movie distributed by Walt Disney Studios. It's all marketing



Well how about this guy? You all call it marketing but people call it a bullshit excuse to market and white-wash at the same time.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwfhalREZT1qji32j.jpg


In my opinion Hollywood should just piss off from these western adaption

Now their going to remake Akira, a Japanese based anime with Japanese names. You would at least think they used black hair actor but instead they use Robert Patterson for this movie. The gay vampire from Twilight.

http://moarpowah.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/o-longtime-harry-potter-scribe-steve-kloves-will-pen-akira.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Actually the original Prince of Persia was blonde, so hollywood actually made it closer to reality.

http://www.gameranx.com/img/12-Mar/pop.gif

COME ONE MAN........ you make sound as if ancient Persian belong to European people.


Do you think just because this Iranian has blue eyes and blonde hair we can just claim them like they are our brother?

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r111/Sunshineenfred/bloneIran.jpg


They were not EUROPEANS and no way in hell White Americans

http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/Others/Ramin.jpg

[2012JD]

Well how about this guy? You all call it marketing but people call it a bullshit excuse to market and white-wash at the same time.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwfhalREZT1qji32j.jpg


In my opinion Hollywood should just piss off from these western adaption

Now their going to remake Akira, a Japanese based anime with Japanese names. You would at least think they used black hair actor but instead they use Robert Patterson for this movie. The gay vampire from Twilight.

http://moarpowah.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/o-longtime-harry-potter-scribe-steve-kloves-will-pen-akira.jpg

He's better , but he's a model not an actor . I even doubt he can act . And Disney is not going to allow some unknown Persian guy come and play for their movie . Disney is very strict and picky . I should know lol

And like I said , it's entertainment , nobody goes into a movie thinking omg he doesn't suit the role very well because of how he looks. Nobody goes to the movies to get educated and if some people do , then they are stupid lol

Everyone with a right mind knows pirates don't look like Johnny Depp, they weren't that sexy lol

[Damião de Góis]

I don't know what you mean. The people who designed the game came up with a blonde Prince of Persia in the late 80s, so if anyone was whitewashing was them, not hollywood with Jake Gyllenhaal, since hollywood actually darkened the character in comparison with the original.

[asingh]

Now their going to remake Akira, a Japanese based anime with Japanese names. You would at least think they used black hair actor but instead they use Robert Patterson for this movie. The gay vampire from Twilight.

Honestly R.Patterson as anything is stupidity. But why the heck would they make a movie out of Akira. That is quite a classic Anime. Wonder how they will show the modern urban landscape.

[ButlerKing]

His better , but he's a model not an actor . I even doubt he can act . And Disney is not going to allow some unknown Persian guy come and play for their movie . Disney is very strict and picky . I should know lol

And like I said , it's entertainment , nobody goes into a movie thinking omg he doesn't suit the role very well because of how he looks. Nobody goes to the movies to get educated and if some people do , then they are stupid lol

Everyone with a right mind knows pirates don't look like Johnny Depp, they weren't that sexy lol

Disney is also biased, that is why I only look at cartoon disney movies. I can't stand real life adaption but I still watch it our of curiousity.



Well what is the excuse for not using a Japanese guy for the role. Some said he doesn't look Japanese even all the people are Black hair and Black eyes.


This guy is a good actor and a handsome boy perharps? a cute teenage Japanese boy. I think he looks up to anime standard.

http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss140/Rocket_Sun/YAMAPI.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U0fcsB8tySU/Te8zmuxn2BI/AAAAAAAAAZM/AzFh_DneUcs/s400/dfsr.jpg

[ButlerKing]

I don't know what you mean. The people who designed the game came up with a blonde Prince of Persia in the late 80s, so if anyone was whitewashing was them, not hollywood with Jake Gyllenhaal, since hollywood actually darkened the character in comparison with the original.


What I mean is whether blonde or dark hair, they have to be Iranians because that's what the character were, the feelins for the movie will be more real. Even though it's all about entertainment, controversies will be raised as to why it has to be a White American pretty boy and not a Iranian one and than you start thinking there's so many truth to it, it keeps happening again and again.

People will say " so just because you there is no famous Iranian actors you're going to white-washing evey characters in European images? "

[Oneeye]

I can't believe that anyone would actually be outraged by Hollywood casting actors that help their movies sell.

[alfieb]

I hate whitewashing, but I also hate the idea of giving white roles to non-whites as well.

I know it's unfair to consider one's race when hiring an actor to play a role, but the gender and the race of the subject should be respected in terms of casting.

It often works when you cast an outsider - look at my people - The Godfather was a film about Sicilians, but many of the actors had other (white) backgrounds. Sonny Corleone portrayed by a Jew, Don Vito Corleone played by a WASP, Vincent Corleone (Godfather 3) portrayed by a Cuban refugee, etc.

Scarface was about a Cuban Latino but they hired a Sicilian to portray him. That much isn't offensive, if you can pass, fine.

But when you make Goku from Dragon Ball Z white, and make a movie called "The Last Samurai" starring Tom Cruise, you're going too far.

[StonyArabia]

LOL at the original Persians looking like Europeans. The Eliamates were present in Iran and they certainly did not look like Europeans, that said Iranians are just Indo-Europeanized people.

[Aredhel]

Hollywood producer's tend to choose the most popular actors in order to improve their earnings that's the reason why white actors act roles of non whites

[Graham]

Don't think it's whitewashing. It's typical, anything for $$$ Hollywood. Gerard Butler, a Scot played Attila & King Leonidas. Kevin Costner, Morgan Freeman played in Robin hood.

[Anglojew]

The Chinese name for Persians translates as "men with coloured eyes."

[Grumpy Cat]

Is casting a wog such as Sacha Baron Cohen really still considered "white washing?"

Sacha Baron Cohen has a political agenda. He is always baiting whites into saying something racist or singing along to a racist song. Like pretending to be a Kazakh who hates Jews and then going around bashing them and recording people who react positively to it.

[ButlerKing]

I can't believe that anyone would actually be outraged by Hollywood casting actors that help their movies sell.

Actually I'm more pissed off the fact apart from the roles don't match the historic figures it's also hurting white pride. It doesn't take long for people to find out why every role had been white-washed, than they will start saying White people are thiefs and re-write history just like in their movies. People will see that white people has a intention to make themselves look superior.

Why must everything be European white?

[ButlerKing]

The Chinese name for Persians translates as "men with coloured eyes."

And many Persians have colored eyes, as do many Tajiks and iranic Dardic people of Kashmir. It still doesn't make them European. They are middle eastern white or Iranic white...... not European, they don't even have 5% of European genetics in them. Their components are Middle eastern.

http://iransnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/bonny-kabab.jpg?w=400
http://up.q8yat.com/uploads/images/Q8yat-bceeb108c7.jpg
http://lilwizz.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/kalash3.jpg

[Oneeye]

Actually I'm more pissed off the fact apart from the roles don't match the historic figures it's also hurting white pride. It doesn't take long for people to find out why every role had been white-washed, than they will start saying White people are thiefs and re-write history just like in their movies. People will see that white people has a intention to make themselves look superior.

Why must everything be European white?

Well, I'd hate for Disney to give Afrocentrists credibility... but it still wouldn't hamper my pride.

[ButlerKing]

Well, I'd hate for Disney to give Afrocentrists credibility... but it still wouldn't hamper my pride.

Than the notion of White superiority will fade even deeper. Thanks to these hollywood white washing movies in European styles who else can trust any white historians and scientists when you have such blatant bias media like Hollywood, how the hell would they not think that White history is based on many lies and false history written by professional White historian liars.

[riverman]

'white' is subjective, espeacially when concerning Persians...not convinced by your argument, sorry...

[ButlerKing]

'white' is subjective, espeacially when concerning Persians...not convinced by your argument, sorry...

White does not = EUROPEANS WHITE

Persians including ancient Persians = MIDDLE EASTERN WHITE


When people say blue eye persians this is is what comes to our mind

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rePZjNaT0_4/T8fuevJzDrI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/2onIuIrfVFI/s1600/claudia1.jpg
http://www.hobotraveler.com/123_07baghdadistanbul/0077.JPG


Not anything like this.

http://rickthegreat.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/rick22010.jpg
http://ferenc.biz/pictures/young-russian-girl-portrait.jpg

[riverman]

^ I don't get it, those are extreme examples, are you talking from a Persian perspective? Most people aren't going to be totally familiar with all the Persian looks, it's not realistic, what if they chose a really dark Persian, would that be more accurate?

[ButlerKing]

^ I don't get it, those are extreme examples, are you talking from a Persian perspective? Most people aren't going to be totally familiar with all the Persian looks, it's not realistic, what if they chose a really dark Persian, would that be more accurate?

I'm talking from a Persian perspective and as game fan perspective. I'm sure everyone in the world has seen what Persians look like. All I'm asking is they choose a persian or at least bend to a middle easterner, that way not only will controversies stop it won't even exist in the first place, it's more realistic feeling and we whites wouldn't be accused of being liars and thiefs either.

Here is a famous Persian actor, I think he suits perfectly for the role.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/cyrus121/mohammadreza20golzar204.jpg

[riverman]

O.k. I thought you were ireish, yes I agree they could have chosen a Persian, even a well known one.

[ButlerKing]

O.k. I thought you were ireish, yes I agree they could have chosen a Persian, even a well known one.

But when will that start, I heard next upcoming movie a white European guy is playing the lead for another middle eastern character.

[ButlerKing]

" The role of Billy Kwan in “Year of Living Dangerously” played by Linda Hunt -
Not only one of the best performed roles of the 80′s but Billy was Chinese-Australian origin "

"Granted. And I’m a big fan of Linda’s. But does that change the fact that she was a white performer playing an Asian role? At the time she was lauded as the first actor to win an Oscar for playing a character of the opposite gender. The fact that she was also portraying someone of another ethnicity was comparatively overlooked, mainly because all things considered, that was not so unusual by Hollwood standards. Today that same performance would be roundly criticized as “yellowface“, and I think rightly so. I can’t think of a single reason why it would more appropriate to cast a caucasian person — of any gender — in that role "


http://www.wordandfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cloud-atlas-casting-doona-bae-natalie-portman.jpg

[riverman]

^Yeah, Asians should play asians

[ButlerKing]

^Yeah, Asians should play asians

Same goes for Latino's and Middle easterners.

Bane, the character who was the first to destroy Batman in comic books was South American latino drug dealer and had a latino accent.

http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bane-550x455.jpg

He is being played by a scotish looking White guy ( yes yes yes.... Latino is not a race excuse again )


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DOcmN7x1EcA/TUim_VdKOpI/AAAAAAAAAjY/uqYD_owPgkE/s1600/Bane4s.png

[Maleficent]

Jake Gyllenhaal would score Middle Eastern blood on a DNA test; he is half-Jewish, after all. So, they still hired a part-MiddleEasterner in the role.


Maybe it was a Hollywood Political move to hire him in the role; an insult to Iran; since modern-day Iran and Israel hates each other.

[riverman]

Jake Gyllenhaal would score Middle Eastern blood on a DNA test; he is half-Jewish, after all.


Maybe it was a Hollywood Political move to hire him in the role; an insult to Iran; since modern-day Iran and Israel hates each other.

Well with so many people claiming that jews aren't really semites or middle eastern that's sort of humorous

[ButlerKing]

Jake Gyllenhaal would score Middle Eastern blood on a DNA test; he is half-Jewish, after all. So, they still hired a part-MiddleEasterner in the role.


Maybe it was a Hollywood Political move to hire him in the role; an insult to Iran; since modern-day Iran and Israel hates each other.

Jews are genetically 60-65% Middle easterner + 35-40% Europeans, so they ain't pure Middle easterners to begin with. Also him being half Jew would mean on a genetic level he is 32% Middle easterner and 68% European, so his mostly European part still get's the role and besides Jews Middle eastern genes are different from Iranians anyway.

[Maleficent]

Well with so many people claiming that jews aren't really semites or middle eastern that's sort of humorous
I don't see what's so humorous. Ashkenazim are definitely mixed; European and Levantine. That doesn't mean they can completely claim Palestine, though, just due to possessing Levantine blood, since they don't have as much as any Palestinian.

[riverman]

I don't see what's so humorous. Ashkenazim are definitely mixed; European and Levantine. That doesn't mean they can completely claim Palestine, though, just due to possessing Levantine blood, since they don't have as much as any Palestinian.

A lot of Palestinians look more "mixed" for the region than many jews. Depends on what you're categorizing as a Levantine look. The middle east has been changing ethnically for awhile now, especially as islam is not ethnic exclusive

[mr. logan]

Better get some paki boyfriend and kiss him. You are in suffering. This is basic marketing. Besides, we can do whatever we want in movies, cause they are a White art expression.

[Maleficent]

Jews are genetically 60-65% Middle easterner + 35-40% Europeans, so they ain't pure Middle easterners to begin with. Also him being half Jew would mean on a genetic level he is 32% Middle easterner and 68% European, so his mostly European part still get's the role and besides Jews Middle eastern genes are different from Iranians anyway.
Well, you can compare to Anglo-American actors portraying ethnic Greeks in films that take place in ancient Greece. Greek and Anglo genetics are also different, no?! But they are both European.

[riverman]

..........

[ButlerKing]

Well, you can compare to Anglo-American actors portraying ethnic Greeks in films that take place in ancient Greece. Greek and Anglo genetics are also different, no?! But they are both European.

Greeks are in the genetic cluster of Europeans as are Anglo-Americans, besides they both considered European Whites. Iranians have nothing in common with Jews in genetics ( who not only have substantial European DNA but are different in Middle eastern genes. )

Jews have semites genes

Persians have Iranic genes

[Maleficent]

A lot of Palestinians look more "mixed" for the region than many jews. Depends on what you're categorizing as a Levantine look. The middle east has been changing ethnically for awhile now, especially as islam is not ethnic exclusive
Well, that's just a stereotypical small percentage of the population that looks too mixed for the region. And remember that not all of them are Islamic, anyway.

[mr. logan]

This guy thinks Prince of Persia is history. He can never understand basic marketing. Besides, film is an artistic White expression, we can do whatever we want with our creation.

[InTouch]

I'm talking from a Persian perspective and as game fan perspective. I'm sure everyone in the world has seen what Persians look like. All I'm asking is they choose a persian or at least bend to a middle easterner, that way not only will controversies stop it won't even exist in the first place, it's more realistic feeling and we whites wouldn't be accused of being liars and thiefs either.



You're not even European or white, stop posing as one.

[ButlerKing]

This guy thinks Prince of Persia is history. He can never understand basic marketing. Besides, film is an artistic White expression, we can do whatever we want with our creation.

Alright, enough with this marketing bullshit excuse. People can also say basic marketing is just a bias excuse to do whatever it wants. Do you really think most people will buy into the excuse of " Marketing " while at the same time watching on our screen glorifying white European figures in every non-European cultures of the world?

How is film a artistic White expression? is written and manipulated by the person who directs it.

[randomguy1235]

The actors in "The Dictator" are certainly NOT white-washed (Prince of Persia only to a slight degree)...They could easily pass as MENA. Unfortunately, Americans, on average, are extremely ignorant about phenotypes and race/ethnicity. They usually don't even understand that the term "Hispanic" is a cultural/linguistic label and not a racial one (They think of a Mexican mestizo when you say Hispanic). I don't know what the (presumably) Pakistani individual, in the second video, is talking about frankly.

[ButlerKing]

You're not even European or white, stop posing as one.


According to what? I said "we whites" as in all people from Europe which includes North Caucasus people, western Siberians.

[Tyfani]

stay away from prince of persia, i love that guy :p
and avatars were blue :p

and also the princess and the frog from disney, show black princess FFS :p

[Insuperable]

Greeks are in the genetic cluster of Europeans as are Anglo-Americans, besides they both considered European Whites. Iranians have nothing in common with Jews in genetics ( who not only have substantial European DNA but are different in Middle eastern genes. )

Jews have semites genes

Persians have Iranic genes

Do not know on what tool and data you base your judgement in a sense that it could be either simple PCA plot like those on Interpretome, Mcdonald PCA plot or component breakdowns on blogger sites like Eurogenes, Dodecad. But if you consider Jews to be 40% European and Greeks more than that and lets take in consideration that you base your judgement on component breakdows (Eurogenes, Dodecad..) than that would mean you consider Mediterranean component as a European one.
Did not you month ago claim that Mediterranean component is not European?

[ButlerKing]

The actors in "The Dictator" are certainly NOT white-washed (Prince of Persia only to a slight degree)...They could easily pass as MENA. Unfortunately, Americans, on average, are extremely ignorant about phenotypes and race/ethnicity. They usually don't even understand that the term "Hispanic" is a cultural/linguistic label and not a racial one (They think of a Mexican mestizo when you say Hispanic). I don't know what the (presumably) Pakistani individual, in the second video, is talking about frankly.


Dude, please tell you're a fake Palestinian Arab although I guess you're just open minded about it. Those guys can pass for only a few MENA people and besides they are not MENA people, how is this so hard to understand?

Are you telling me there is nothing wrong with a HALF EUROPEAN / HALF JEWISH playing the role of a Arab?

http://www.racebending.com/v4/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/The-Dictator-008.jpg
http://media.aintitcool.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/7051/original/the-dictator-nadal.jpg?1337108679

[ButlerKing]

Do not know on what tool and data you base your judgement in a sense that it could be either simple PCA plot like those on Interpretome, Mcdonald PCA plot or component breakdowns on blogger sites like Eurogenes, Dodecad. But if you consider Jews to be 40% European and Greeks more than that and lets take in consideration that you base your judgement on component breakdows (Eurogenes, Dodecad..) than that would mean you consider Mediterranean component as a European one.
Did not you month ago claim that Mediterranean component is not European?

This has nothing to do with Mediterranean components. From these charts, the average Jews are closer to Middle easterners ussually 60-70%, the Askhenazi Jews are 50-60% Middle eastern on average.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TMK-SiAORmI/AAAAAAAACwY/zXM2RjR8z1U/s1600/ASHKENAZI_10.png

Clearly from this chart it shows that the average Azkhenazi Jews are 50-60% non-European + 30-40% European.

Insignificant admixture

0.1% to 0.2% Sub-Saharan
0.3% to 3.9% East Asian

little bit admixture

0.5% to 7% Arab
0.5% to 7% Druze
0.5% to 6% NorthWest African

Significant admixture

7% - 77% European
13% - 31% West Asian
5% - 22% Semetic

[randomguy1235]

Dude, please tell you're a fake Palestinian Arab although I guess you're just open minded about it. Those guys can pass for only a few MENA people and besides they are not MENA people, how is this so hard to understand?

Are you telling me there is nothing wrong with a HALF EUROPEAN / HALF JEWISH playing the role of a Arab?

http://www.racebending.com/v4/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/The-Dictator-008.jpg
http://media.aintitcool.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/7051/original/the-dictator-nadal.jpg?1337108679
What's the problem with me being a Palestinian Arab? Sorry, I misunderstood your statement in the beginning of your post. Anyways, what's a lot more aggravating is when Hollywood hires South Asians to play in Middle Eastern roles (like in the image you posted above). Although your conception of a Middle Eastern may be a lot different, I can tell you that, as Levantine Arab, Sasha Cohen (at least in the image) could easily pass as middle eastern (a lo more so than the people standing next to him).

[Insuperable]

This has nothing to do with Mediterranean components. From these charts, the average Jews are closer to Middle easterners ussually 60-70%, the Askhenazi Jews are 50-60% Middle eastern on average.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TMK-SiAORmI/AAAAAAAACwY/zXM2RjR8z1U/s1600/ASHKENAZI_10.png

Clearly from this chart it shows that the average Azkhenazi Jews are 50-60% non-European + 30-40% European.

Insignificant admixture

0.1% to 0.2% Sub-Saharan
0.3% to 3.9% East Asian

little bit admixture

0.5% to 7% Arab
0.5% to 7% Druze
0.5% to 6% NorthWest African

Significant admixture

7% - 77% European
13% - 31% West Asian
5% - 22% Semetic

Whatever Armenian (lol at British Irish under your Avatar)
You make no sense overall
BTW, I did not notice your post (#52) while I was writing mine

[squarecircle]

Same goes for Latino's and Middle easterners.

Bane, the character who was the first to destroy Batman in comic books was South American latino drug dealer and had a latino accent.

http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bane-550x455.jpg

He is being played by a scotish looking White guy ( yes yes yes.... Latino is not a race excuse again )


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DOcmN7x1EcA/TUim_VdKOpI/AAAAAAAAAjY/uqYD_owPgkE/s1600/Bane4s.png

I guess the comic book creators were retarded, a latin, that big and muscled? :picard2:

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[alfieb]

There is nothing at all wrong with Sacha Baron-Cohen playing an Arab. To suggest that Arab actors can't portray Jews and that Jews cannot portray Arabs only makes reconciliation even more difficult.

[Baldur]

Who would watch them with some persian, arab, african actor that no one ever heard of? Ofcourse they are going to use an american actor.

[ButlerKing]

What's the problem with me being a Palestinian Arab? Sorry, I misunderstood your statement in the beginning of your post. Anyways, what's a lot more aggravating is when Hollywood hires South Asians to play in Middle Eastern roles (like in the image you posted above). Although your conception of a Middle Eastern may be a lot different, I can tell you that, as Levantine Arab, Sasha Cohen (at least in the image) could easily pass as middle eastern (a lo more so than the people standing next to him).

He is half European, half Jewish with little Iranian ancestry. Maybe you are one of those minority light skinned arabs. But the vast majority of you people are swarthy as hell, Sasha Cohen looks nothing at all like you average Palestinian Arab.

These are what Palestanian Arabs look like.
http://mideastposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Ramallah-050.preview.jpg
http://samsonblinded.org/news/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/a23c47aa358c0454161d0e65d8bff881.jpg

[ButlerKing]

I guess the comic book creators were retarded, a latin, that big and muscled? :picard2:

30896

How is this not retarded....because big Latin and muscled body builder don't exist?

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6373/delgadoricardo628.jpg

[Arbërori]

Well a good movie is a good movie ,iregardless of the actors, although I believe an American audience feels more comfortable with American actors in it, just like acmilan said. Other than that, Jango for ex. was a complete waste of movie, it was literally borderline racist. Sure, some slave masters were horrible & should've been deported to Africa, but the way whites are portrayed in it... Disslike! :lol: :)

[randomguy1235]

He is half European, half Jewish with little Iranian ancestry. You people are swarthy as hell, Sasha Cohen looks nothing like a average Palestinian Arab.

These are what Palestanian Arabs look like.
http://mideastposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Ramallah-050.preview.jpg
http://samsonblinded.org/news/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/a23c47aa358c0454161d0e65d8bff881.jpg

:picard1: Why did you cherry-pick those images? Anyways, how is somebody who lives in the UK going to tell me, a Palestinian Arab, what Palestinians look like? The vast majority of my family members (extended included) have a light/fair complexion as well...Like I said, as someone who visits Jordan every summer, Sasha Cohen (in the image posted) can easily pass.

[ButlerKing]

A lot of you guys are missing the point, one day this will bite White history is the ass.

If you guys think is okay for Hollywood to keep manipulate the roles, cultures, history of other people there is no stopping from none-white people not thinking they did the same to their own official history.

[Baldur]

A lot of you guys are missing the point, one this will bite White history is the ass.

If you guys think is okay for Hollywood to keep manipulate the roles, cultures, history of other people there is stopping from none-white people not thinking they did the same to their own official history.

I think you are giving Hollywood a lot more attention and importance then they have in reality.

[ButlerKing]

:picard1: Why did you cherry-pick those images? Anyways, how is somebody who lives in the UK going to tell me, a Palestinian Arab, what Palestinians look like? The vast majority of My family members (extended included) have a light/fair complexion.

Oh come one, don't tell me you're one of those Palestinian arabs who think their white. You're gullible person man.

I'm not cherry picking pictures at all.... you are dark and swarthy people in average. Your 1 out of 100 light/fair complexion Arabs means nothing at all.

http://www.counter-intifada.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Palestinian-refugees-burn-israel-flag.jpg

Sashan Cohan looks more like a Spaniard or Portugese than your Arabs. And Spanish and Portugese is around 25-30% West Asian and 70-75% European so no wonder Sasha don't look Arab because Jewish components are already mixed with Europeans in large numbers

http://0.tqn.com/d/mensfashion/1/0/U/x/73418455.jpg

[Insuperable]

Spanish and Portugese is around 25-30% West Asian and 70-75% European so no wonder Sasha don't look Arab because Jewish components are already mixed with Europeans in large numbers


Please give me your source!
What exactly you mean under West Asian? Even if you include all Asian components on calculators (or any genetic tool) no Iberian gets something like that.

[ButlerKing]

I think you are giving Hollywood a lot more attention and importance then they have in reality.

Actually I believe my argument with a Black supremacist can easily be weakened because of these White-Washing.

Can I even trust my own history after knowing these intentions of glorifying European people in none-European culture? if they can keep racial bending these non-European roles using such dirty and sneaky excuses they can re-write their own history that's based on lies.

[randomguy1235]

Oh come one, don't tell me you're one of those Palestinian arabs who think their white. You're gullible person man.

I'm not cherry picking pictures at all.... you are dark and swarthy people in average. Your 1 out of 100 light/fair complexion Arabs means nothing at all.

http://www.counter-intifada.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Palestinian-refugees-burn-israel-flag.jpg

Sashan Cohan looks more like a Spaniard or Portugese than your Arabs. And Spanish and Portugese is around 25-30% West Asian and 70-75% European so no wonder Sasha don't look Arab because Jewish components are already mixed with Europeans in large numbers

http://0.tqn.com/d/mensfashion/1/0/U/x/73418455.jpg

:dielaughing: First of all, the average Iberian does NOT have 25% West Asian. I believe it's actually around 4% ancient Neolithic west Asian admixture. Second, white is a vague classification that's highly subjective. To answer your question, however, I certainly don't consider myself to be "white" and nor do I care (although I have family members I'd label as white). Again, I said "In the image POSTED" he could pass. I didn't say outside of the film he could (not necessarily saying that he couldn't either). Also, stop cherry picking images of swarthy Palestinians. You're being disingenuous

[ButlerKing]

Please give me your source!
What exactly you mean under West Asian? Even if you include all Asian components on calculators (or any genetic tool) no Iberian gets something like that.

Yeah, I should said non-European admixture or Middle eastern admixture. Personally I tend to treat North Africans as Arabs and West Asian more than Europeans.

Here is autosomal DNA of North Portugese

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UOHFTxL-bOA/TOYq0NHGXbI/AAAAAAAAAOc/qCkgBRH0rxA/s1600/Portuguese.jpg

[ButlerKing]

:dielaughing: First of all, the average Iberian does NOT have 25% West Asian. I believe it's actually around 4% ancient Neolithic west Asian admixture. Second, white is a vague classification that highly subjective. To answer your question, however, I certainly don't consider myself to be "white" and nor do I care (although I have family members I'd label as white). Again, I said "In the image POSTED" he could pass. I didn't say outside of the film character he could (not saying that he couldn't either). Also, stop cherry picking images

I don't think so

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

[ButlerKing]

And this is not including Northwest African and West Asian admixture.

Southern Spaniards and Southern Portugese are over 25-30% West Asian ( including other components), even in Central part of Iberia you will find you find such autosomal DNA admixture, although I guess average is exaggerted.

[Insuperable]

Yeah, I should said non-European admixture or Middle eastern admixture. Personally I tend to treat North Africans as Arabs and West Asian more than Europeans.

Here is autosomal DNA of North Portugese

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UOHFTxL-bOA/TOYq0NHGXbI/AAAAAAAAAOc/qCkgBRH0rxA/s1600/Portuguese.jpg

You manipulate the data. How? There are many sources regarding autosomal dna. All of them differ a little. You can not say that certain members of a nation have a certain percentage of something as a constant and than for example find another source for another nation to support your view.

Still, mentioned magical 30% is still non realistic base on what I said since probably other nations would get high non-European admixture percentages because of a specific model being used, but let me not to further derail the thread.

[ButlerKing]

You manipulate the data. How? There are many sources regarding autosomal dna. All of them differ a little. You can not say that certain members of a nation have a certain percentage of something as a constant and than for example find another source for another nation to support your view.

Still, mentioned magical 30% is still non realistic base on what I said since probably other nations would get high non-European admixture percentages because of a specific model being used, but let me not to further derail the thread.

I didn't manipulate crap, the data is from Eupedia. They do have 30% non-European admixture in Southern part of Iberia if you add up all those components.

YES...I made a mistake, I should said 30% non-European component but I wanted to point out that it's Middle easterner admixture so I said West Asian instead. I wanted to point out that a Jew mix with European look more closer to Spaniards or Portugese but maybe I should said greeks instead.

[ButlerKing]

Btw this map includes Northwest African Caucasoid components not just West African Sub saharan or black African componets.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif

[Armand_Duval]

I guess the comic book creators were retarded, a latin, that big and muscled? :picard2:

30896


I think someone else is very ignorant, to say the least....


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bHlHDD_W8tI/SwnGuXcRjLI/AAAAAAAAAAk/kY3yQzCZMsk/s1600/6452041280abrazo.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hpdEH-AFXkk/TFXdt7lmdLI/AAAAAAAABUs/eaIg9MPDJB0/s1600/el+cibernetico.jpg


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKS6_QxR9RY84C4z90UQvGkTQGp6wS3 M4nxuS2_j1e0nWIRhdDfg


http://euro.mediotiempo.com/media/2013/03/19/mesias.jpg

[randomguy1235]

Btw this map includes Northwest African Caucasoid components not just West African Sub saharan or black African componets.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif
Yeah...so you're telling me that the average North African has more than 30% sub Saharan admixture? You do realize that the map is bullshit, right? The average ranges from 8-13%...

[ButlerKing]

I know right, I find it funny how Squarecircle interpreted how Latin guy ain't tall or muscular and chose a very bias picture to prove it.

[ButlerKing]

Yeah...so you're telling me that the average North African has more than 30% sub Saharan admixture? You do realize that the map is bullshit, right? The average ranges from 8-13%...

I already said the map includes componets NORTHWEST AFRICAN which belongs to Caucasoid not just Sub-saharan.

The Northwest African peaks at Moroccans and North African people. Like these types of men... but like I said they look Middle easterner or West Asian to me.
http://images.alarabiya.net/0b/b5/640x392_70075_252548.jpg

[Armand_Duval]

I know right, I find it funny how Squarecircle interpreted how Latin guy ain't tall or muscular and chose a very bias picture to prove it.

He should go out more often and see some world, his kind of ppl only put themselves to same evidencing their lack of culture and knowlege.

Latin America is a region of more than 22 millon of square kmts populated by more than 577 million of people, he can bet his arse he can find bigger and more muscular ppl in latin america than in Romania...lol!. what an arse!.

[Armand_Duval]

Someone tell Squarecircles that this "little latino" (6.1 240lb) can kick the shit out of any romanian faggot and I mean ANY AT ANYTIME!!!.:thumb001:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6X2OxuGCid4/T1nT51l6kYI/AAAAAAAAFPE/iPOR5mFg7e0/s1600/cain_velasquez-e1278175830483.jpg

[HispaniaSagrada]

But when you make Goku from Dragon Ball Z white, and make a movie called "The Last Samurai" starring Tom Cruise, you're going too far.

Tom Cruises's character isn't Japanese so your point is a fail.

[Carlito's Way]

Someone tell Squarecircles that this "little latino" (6.1 240lb) can kick the shit out of any romanian faggot and I mean ANY AT ANYTIME!!!.:thumb001:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6X2OxuGCid4/T1nT51l6kYI/AAAAAAAAFPE/iPOR5mFg7e0/s1600/cain_velasquez-e1278175830483.jpg

I can beat him, I have met him before and he refused to fight me

[Scholarios]

I'm upset every Greek is an Irish, Scottish, or German actor.

[ButlerKing]

Tom Cruises's character isn't Japanese so your point is a fail.

That's true, but history has been MANIPULATED by hollywood that is was a white guy who was last Last Samurai. You see the last Samurai is based on real history but fake historic figure like Tom cruise.

This guy is dubbed as the last true samurai, his name is Saigō Takamori

http://www.kirei-ni.com/portrait/shouzouga/Gy-12sa/GY12-2.jpg

There was never any bullshit White American last samurai soldier in Satsuma Rebellion.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/SaigoWithOfficers.jpg

[ButlerKing]

And seriously if you expect non-White to say that there is no intention to glorify European looking people in non-European culture and history than you have to be a dumb ass, I doubt they would fall such a simple excuse like good " marketing " people can tell their their simply taking advantage of this racial role at the same time.

[Comte Arnau]

They made Goku white

Well, in this case, let's admit that going to the planet of the Saiyans in search of a Goku-looking actor was a tad far-fetched.

[HispaniaSagrada]

That's true, but history has been MANIPULATED by hollywood that is was a white guy who was last Last Samurai. You see the last Samurai is based on real history but fake historic figure like Tom cruise.

If you say so. AFAIK the script has different sources of inspiration and is supposed to be fiction unless you want to say it's all a conspiracy.

I guess ignorant people who don't look these up in proper sources will think that Lady Amalthea was really the last unicorn, too.





This guy is dubbed as the last true samurai, his name is Saigō Takamori

There was never any bullshit White American last samurai soldier in Satsuma Rebellion.


And there was never any douchebag DiCaprio or slut Winslet or stupid old lady dropping diamonds in the water characters on the Titanic, either.

But I do think proper ethnicities should play characters of the same or similar ethnicities.

[ButlerKing]

Well, in this case, let's admit that going to the planet of the Saiyans in search of a Goku-looking actor was a tad far-fetched.

I rather they made him like a animated figure.

But come on, since when did planet of Saiyans become White?

There is no human with such hair and almost all of them are dark hair and dark eyes
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/12537/777506-saiyan_armor_large.png

Yet they cast this moron with his smoky blue eyes and gelled hair

http://www.schemamag.ca/archive2/images/gokuIsWHITE3.jpg

And he is not even muscular he only has little biceps

http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/4700e9872c32df9dc4e2484dd88867891224940327_full.jp g

[Damião de Góis]

Well, in this case, let's admit that going to the planet of the Saiyans in search of a Goku-looking actor was a tad far-fetched.

Even then he doesn't strike me as particularly east asian looking:

http://www.deviantart.com/download/295512520/goku_by_maffo1989-d4vxux4.png

He's probably the only one who does, from the series :p

http://thedaoofdragonball.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/young-krillin.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdLraHFs0mhKFa-sEIaf23BxiLqMXt4JeAUzlPFaDVfPc5uGXlOg

[Insuperable]

And this is not including Northwest African and West Asian admixture.

Southern Spaniards and Southern Portugese are over 25-30% West Asian ( including other components), even in Central part of Iberia you will find you find such autosomal DNA admixture, although I guess average is exaggerted.

You posted autosomal data (northwest african) in a post above yours from Eupedia site.
If we are going to follow Eupedia southern Portuguese and southern Spaniards would have non-European admixture between 8.5% and 20%. Why did not you use that data and posted every map?

[ButlerKing]

If you say so. AFAIK the script has different sources of inspiration and is supposed to be fiction unless you want to say it's all a conspiracy.

I guess ignorant people who don't look these up in proper sources will think that Lady Amalthea was really the last unicorn, too.






And there was never any douchebag DiCaprio or slut Winslet or stupid old lady dropping diamonds in the water characters on the Titanic, either.

But I do think proper ethnicities should play characters of the same or similar ethnicities.

I think Hollywood is really skilled in mass control and manipulation of subconscious mind.


DiCaprio and Winslet are both European, it doesn't bother people much besides there isn't much historical significant important to it.

[ButlerKing]

Even then he doesn't strike me as particularly east asian looking:

http://www.deviantart.com/download/295512520/goku_by_maffo1989-d4vxux4.png

He's probably the only one who does, from the series :p

http://thedaoofdragonball.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/young-krillin.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdLraHFs0mhKFa-sEIaf23BxiLqMXt4JeAUzlPFaDVfPc5uGXlOg

I don't see why this guy can't pass for Goku, maybe you're thinking that East Asians have to look like this -______- because this is how Hollywood image of Asians have been depicted but there are also Asians eyes like this.

http://www.cutehotguys.com/5438-3/Hongkang+famous+actist+Aaron+Kwok+photos+_24_.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

Yeah, I should said non-European admixture or Middle eastern admixture. Personally I tend to treat North Africans as Arabs and West Asian more than Europeans.

Here is autosomal DNA of North Portugese

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UOHFTxL-bOA/TOYq0NHGXbI/AAAAAAAAAOc/qCkgBRH0rxA/s1600/Portuguese.jpg

Where did you got they were northern Portuguese? They are from all over, and i am one of those bars. I'm from southern Portugal.


And this is not including Northwest African and West Asian admixture.

Southern Spaniards and Southern Portugese are over 25-30% West Asian ( including other components), even in Central part of Iberia you will find you find such autosomal DNA admixture, although I guess average is exaggerted.

Where are you getting this from? The West Asian is usually under 10%.

[HispaniaSagrada]

I think Hollywood is really skilled in mass control and manipulation of subconscious mind.

I agree especially on children but whether they do it intentionally with an agenda or they're all just a bunch of pervs and/or idiots I really don't know.


DiCaprio and Winslet are both European, it doesn't bother people much

Being European or not in my example isn't the point. The point is that fiction was tacked on to the real story and people know it unless they are really ignorant.


besides there isn't much historical significant important to it.

Whether something is important or not depends on who you ask and what they care about.

PS. Goku should have been played by a punk rocker.

PPS. The Portuguese are by and large Iberian. End of story.

[Lemon Kush]

Hey ButlerKing sorry for slightly derailing the thread, but what do you think about when the opposite happens? When a black guy is cast for a role that is meant for a white guy, specifically a Scandinavian White. Such as Heimdall (a NORSE God) being played by a black in the movie "Thor"? To top it off the person that plays him (Idris Elba) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_Elba is not a very famous or well known actor either. So I see absolutely no reason why they cast him instead of any famous or moderately famous Scandinavian or Scandinavian looking actor. :confused:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2011/03/thor_2011_a_l.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Where did you got they were northern Portuguese? They are from all over, and i am one of those bars. I'm from southern Portugal.



Where are you getting this from? The West Asian is usually under 10%.

Someone said the samples are from Vila Real.

Sorry it was rather confusing for me. I didn't know how to interpret it so I said west Asian ( as in middle eastern type people like Jews) I should have just said Non-European admixture. Northwest Africans, Middle easterners, Arabs their all West Asian looking to me.


Okay, West Asian is 10%, North African 10%, Soutwest Asian 5%

I included Southwest Asian as West Asian

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

Northwest African Caucasoid ( this map also include Sub Saharan Black )

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif

[ButlerKing]

I agree especially on children but whether they do it intentionally with an agenda or they're all just a bunch of pervs and/or idiots I really don't know.



Being European or not in my example isn't the point. The point is that fiction was tacked on to the real story and people know it unless they are really ignorant.



Whether something is important or not depends on who you ask and what they care about.

PS. Goku should have been played by a punk rocker.

PPS. The Portuguese are by and large Iberian. End of story.

Ever heard " Killing to birds with one stone ". They properly already planned this. Wether is fiction of not, it is visually effecting our subconscious mind, and there is no problem anyway as it doesn't glorify people of other race, it's stuff like the Last Samurai that does.

Goku should just be animated.

[ButlerKing]

Hey ButlerKing sorry for slightly derailing the thread, but what do you think about when the opposite happens? When a black guy is cast for a role that is meant for a white guy, specifically a Scandinavian White. Such as Heimdall (a NORSE God) being played by a black in the movie "Thor"? To top it off the person that plays him (Idris Elba) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_Elba is not a very famous or well known actor either. So I see absolutely no reason why they cast him instead of any famous or moderately famous Scandinavian or Scandinavian looking actor. :confused:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2011/03/thor_2011_a_l.jpg

Because no one will take a none-human norse God as real to begin with, it's mythology and no believes this is real but only something that people have made up in the past. It's not even attractive role and too unrealistic to point out. It doesn't harm history or reality in anyway.

[Armand_Duval]

I can beat him, I have met him before and he refused to fight me

Then youre a fool you should be fighting for the UFC title and taking profit of your fighting capabilities.:picard1::rolleyes:

[Insuperable]

Someone said the samples are from Vila Real.

Sorry it was rather confusing for me. I didn't know how to interpret it so I said west Asian ( as in middle eastern type people like Jews) I should have just said Non-European admixture. Northwest Africans, Middle easterners, Arabs their all West Asian looking to me.


Okay, West Asian is 10%, North African 10%, Soutwest Asian 5%

I included Southwest Asian as West Asian

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

Northwest African Caucasoid ( this map also include Sub Saharan Black )

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif

West Asian there (on Eupedia) ranges from 1% to 5%, so its not 10%, but you for some some reason did not put the West Asian map:).
Intervals are also important. Why do you say for example Southwest Asian is 5% when its intervals being displayed and not fixed percentages?
So the interval (of non-European) in this case (Dodecad?) is 8.5-20% (unlike 25-30%). You are a manipulator.

[ButlerKing]

Or perharps there just using Black people as a excuse to ignore the Middle eastern, Latino, Asian roles.

Now I know that sounded confusing but I do believe what hollywood wants to White wash is this


* Non-European historic figures
* Non-European with a interesting and alpha male history
* Non-European achievements

[Comte Arnau]

Yet they cast this moron with his smoky blue eyes and gelled hair

http://www.schemamag.ca/archive2/images/gokuIsWHITE3.jpg

And he is not even muscular he only has little biceps

http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/4700e9872c32df9dc4e2484dd88867891224940327_full.jp g

An amateurish film by fans with no budget would be better than that parody. I wouldn't care much about that, it only contributed to make the film more laughable.

Anyway, DB is a sort of parallel universe. Where it should not be debatable is in the case where the actual nationality/background of the character is explained. That is, in cases like the Street Fighter movies, find real or acceptable choices, and not a half-Dutch girl for a Chinese or half-Native Americans for Iberians.

[ButlerKing]

West Asian there (on Eupedia) ranges from 1% to 5%, so its not 10%, but you for some some reason did not put the West Asian map:).
Intervals are also important. Why do you say for example Southwest Asian is 5% when its intervals being displayed and not fixed percentages?
So the interval (of non-European) in this case (Dodecad?) is 8.5-20% (unlike 25-30%). You are a manipulator.

Dude don't call me a manipulator.

I will show you why Spanish and Portugese have 25-30% non-European admixture. You will see soon, give me 15 minutes.

[Damião de Góis]

Someone said the samples are from Vila Real.

Nope, it's actually funny that you say that. I don't know if you read it somewhere or if you made it up but me and Kadu were the two first portuguese members of Dodecad, i'm from the south and he's from the North (Alentejo and Minho respectively). Then a fellow from central Portugal joined and more people joined after that including the forum member Atlantic Islander who if half northern-half azorean. I don't know of anyone from Vila Real, but whatever.


Sorry it was rather confusing for me. I didn't know how to interpret it so I said west Asian ( as in middle eastern type people like Jews) I should have just said Non-European admixture. Northwest Africans, Middle easterners, Arabs their all West Asian looking to me.


Okay, West Asian is 10%, North African 10%, Soutwest Asian 5%

I included Southwest Asian as West Asian


Here is my Dodecad K12b results. As i've said i'm from southern Portugal:

(European)
Atlantic Med 44.7
North European 24

(Non European)
Caucasus 13.6
Northwest African 8.7
Gedrosia 6.2
East African 1.8
Southwest Asian 0.7
South Asian 0.3

The rest is 0. So, Gedrosia here could act as West Asian which would mean i have 6.2 of it, as i usually do. But if you meant non-european combined then around 30% non-european. You got your calculations correct then.

[gori]

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opposite also happens

[ButlerKing]

FINALLY...... I FOUND IT.

Now give me some time to piece up these non-European admixtures in Portuguese.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TQi3F5YM3QI/AAAAAAAADDE/fFHcxFpL6gI/s1600/ADMIXTURE_15.png

[Carlito's Way]

Then youre a fool you should be fighting for the UFC title and taking profit of your fighting capabilities.:picard1::rolleyes:

I am working on it, I am training :cool:

[gori]

black Guinevere
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9585/32guineverewardrobe.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/32guineverewardrobe.png/)

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[Armand_Duval]

Some white fellows are never pleased.

If they portray non whites in white roles: whites throw a rant!!!

If they portray whites in non white roles: whites throw also a rant!!!.


Nonsensical.

[ButlerKing]

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/153/72076413088488746651103.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/72076413088488746651103.jpg/)

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opposite also happens

I don't think people can take this seriously. Having a Black ancelot, another story based on legends and not even sure of his existence. Why didn't try casting a Asian or Middle easterner role for that...... why is it always Black??? I find that interesting.

We all know Africa pose no threat to the western world neither in economic and military or in anything.

[Insuperable]

FINALLY...... I FOUND IT.

Now give me some time to piece up these non-European admixtures in Portuguese.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TQi3F5YM3QI/AAAAAAAADDE/fFHcxFpL6gI/s1600/ADMIXTURE_15.png

Ok:)

[ButlerKing]

Nope, it's actually funny that you say that. I don't know if you read it somewhere or if you made it up but me and Kadu were the two first portuguese members of Dodecad, i'm from the south and he's from the North (Alentejo and Minho respectively). Then a fellow from central Portugal joined and more people joined after that including the forum member Atlantic Islander who if half northern-half azorean. I don't know of anyone from Vila Real, but whatever.



Here is my Dodecad K12b results. As i've said i'm from southern Portugal:

(European)
Atlantic Med 44.7
North European 24

(Non European)
Caucasus 13.6
Northwest African 8.7
Gedrosia 6.2
East African 1.8
Southwest Asian 0.7
South Asian 0.3

The rest is 0. So, Gedrosia here could act as West Asian which would mean i have 6.2 of it, as i usually do. But if you meant non-european combined then around 30% non-european. You got your calculations correct then.

Thank you. I told you I was not bullshitting about my claim.

[Vasconcelos]

Surprise, it's the ButlerQueer again! Just shoot him in the face.

[Insuperable]

Thank you. I told you I was not bullshitting about my claim.

Yeah, but in this calculators we have Gedrosia component which on others calculators hides under another components.
It peaks in Brits with 11% (if I remember correctly). So if you add Gedrosia, WA, would also turn quite a lot non-European which is not the case since they are NW Europeans.

Edit: there is no WA, but Caucasus (note: they are not the same components regardless of name)

[ButlerKing]

Ok:)

I calculated 24% non-European admixture, I guess it's the wrong study.

[Comte Arnau]

The last of all Wuthering Heights, afaik.

Heathcliff, that dark character.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUWOCd894-Q

[Arbërori]

Black Guinevere is very unattractive... What's the point of portraying historical people, when the actors aren't even of that race? I mean sure, a little experimenting is okay, but for the sake of historical accuracy, what's the point then? :D

[Damião de Góis]

Thank you. I told you I was not bullshitting about my claim.

Yes, now go count Atlantic-Med and North European for other European countries and see how much non-european they are.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE#gid=0

[ButlerKing]

If we think from U.S government who pose the threats to EUROPE the most?

Africa has nothing that can match the west and Black people are seen as underachievers historically, so no can take their roles seriously in the minds of many subconscious minds because their Africa continent is still a pile of crap still this day.

Asia? they have much political, military economic influence against the west. Iran and North Korea nuclear weapon, India economy, the Arabs oil rich, the muslim expansions from Middle easterner. Communist CCP China powerful economic power on the west, also East Asian powerful economy. Even South America economy is growing and have influence.

There has to be a reason as to why Whites are casting so many non-white roles for Blacks. Maybe because they think they will break windowns and shout racism if they don't.

[ButlerKing]

Take "Innocence of Muslim" for example.

They used a White guy with fake tan portraying as Arabs and Muhammad, but is making a completely mockery of Muhammad. Middle eastern people will take this as very insulting while Europeans will take this as joke and as truth at the same time.

This movie is suppose to be a comedy but behind it has a agenda to influence our subconscious mind.

http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/innocence_of_muslims.jpg

[randomguy1235]

According to Islamic tradition (Hadith), prophet Muhammad did have a white complexion.

[ButlerKing]

According to Islamic tradition (Hadith), prophet Muhammad did have a white complexion.

He would have still have been dark skinned, there is still white complexion Arabs I doubt the white complexion mean't something like European white skin color, it would been this kind of white skin by their standards.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J8OZYEoBhgU/TzZtPDa-DBI/AAAAAAAAO5Q/Vp4SOtF_oRY/s1600/angry_arabs_01.jpg

[riverman]

^What? The ethnic makeup of some of these groups has changed, if tradition says mohammad was white with light eyes i'm going to take it at face value. Same with jesus, why is everyone always trying to darkwash these people?

[ButlerKing]

^What? The ethnic makeup of some of these groups has changed, if tradition says mohammad was white with light eyes i'm going to take it at face value. Same with jesus, why is everyone always trying to darkwash these people?

In the past west Africans considered Arabs as White skinned when they were yellowish to medium brown skinned, that's because they never saw a European look like so they called them white. West African also called Ethiopians lighter skin people.

Their white color could have mean't this which is already much lighter than average Arabs.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3044/2931181437_c018722a7c_z.jpg


Genghis Khan was describes as man with red hair and red beard but he looked Asian and nothing white.

http://www.alamy.com/thumbs/6/%7B1571B4D4-D71A-479E-BD30-2E018C2B7AEF%7D/AFKJYN.jpg

[SkyBurn]

First off, AshkJews can range anywhere between 30-70% ME (with the remainder being Euro). Which means that Jake Gyllenhaal was a poor choice.

I really hate hollywood whitewashing. It really sickens me. Also when they get half white half asian/black/whatever to play an asian/black/whatever role.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/537a309738dc1efd8d645333dd63949c/tumblr_mhh8kaU5Cz1re1n7qo1_500.jpg

All it does is perpetuate the Caucasian standard of beauty, and make everybody else feel shit about themselves.

[ButlerKing]

First off, AshkJews can range anywhere between 30-70% ME (with the remainder being Euro). Which means that Jake Gyllenhaal was a poor choice.

I really hate hollywood whitewashing. It really sickens me. Also when they get half white half asian/black/whatever to play an asian/black/whatever role.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/537a309738dc1efd8d645333dd63949c/tumblr_mhh8kaU5Cz1re1n7qo1_500.jpg

All it does is perpetuate the Caucasian standard of beauty, and make everybody else feel shit about themselves.

Exactly, I've talked with many of them on Youtube before and they are pissed so off with what Hollywood is doing.

[riverman]

First off, AshkJews can range anywhere between 30-70% ME (with the remainder being Euro). Which means that Jake Gyllenhaal was a poor choice.

I really hate hollywood whitewashing. It really sickens me. Also when they get half white half asian/black/whatever to play an asian/black/whatever role.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/537a309738dc1efd8d645333dd63949c/tumblr_mhh8kaU5Cz1re1n7qo1_500.jpg

All it does is perpetuate the Caucasian standard of beauty, and make everybody else feel shit about themselves.

these anime examples look whitewashed to you?? Not to me, they seem to represent their respective ethnicities. Asians btw are often fair as that princess is represented. Asian women but also Asian men, fairness is common

[StonyArabia]

According to Islamic tradition (Hadith), prophet Muhammad did have a white complexion.

No he was described in between, although red and white were often used interchangeably. Arabs referred to Europeans as Bani Asfar or the Yellow people. Africans called Arabs White, but White in Arabia did not have the same Eurocentric meaning or understanding that we know today. Even if he was such his facial morphology would have been Arabian anyways, which is far more important then skin color which is an adaptation to climatic conditions.

[riverman]

not that I like the general characters, lol, i'm talking about complexion

[riverman]

No he was described in between, although red and white were often used interchangeably. Arabs referred to Europeans as Bani Asfar or the Yellow people.

inbetween meaning what. i'm inbetween myself with any amount of sun

[StonyArabia]

inbetween meaning what. i'm inbetween myself with any amount of sun

He was basically light brown end of story.

[ButlerKing]

not that I like the general characters, lol, i'm talking about complexion

It's definitely not white complexion like a European
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/3/5/1330985965264/Vladimir-Putin-007.jpg

You have to look at what Arabs standards of White mean't and not the western standard.

http://www.mbrfoundation.ae/General%20Images/sheikh-ahmed-bin-mohamed.jpg

[riverman]

It's definitely not white complexion like a European
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/3/5/1330985965264/Vladimir-Putin-007.jpg

You have to look at what Arabs standards of White mean't and not the western standard.

http://www.mbrfoundation.ae/General%20Images/sheikh-ahmed-bin-mohamed.jpg

Yes I understand but the representations aren't off for those anime characters (color wise), and that actor playing the prince doesn't look overly white

[ButlerKing]

Yes I understand but the representations aren't off for those anime characters (color wise), and that actor playing the prince doesn't look overly white

Still looks predominately European but with some middle eastern admixture in him.

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12200000/Jake-Gyllenhaal-jake-gyllenhaal-12283350-933-1222.jpg

[riverman]

He was basically light brown end of story.

I read a description, I personally think he was very white complexioned.

[ButlerKing]

I read a description, I personally think he was very white complexioned.

And so what if he was was white complexioned? you talk like you never seen a pale skinned Arab.

[riverman]

And so what if he was was white complexioned? you talk like you never seen a pale skinned Arab.

lol so your point is what then? How are they going to cast characters for movies etc.? By real historical descriptions? That means both jesus and mohamad would have light eyes (Jesus's hair is described as tawny also ), and mohammad would be lighter than jesus

[ButlerKing]

lol so your point is what then? How are they going to cast characters for movies etc.? By real historical descriptions? That means both jesus and mohamad would have light eyes (Jesus's hair is described as tawny also ), and mohammad would be lighter than jesus

And none of them are European whites. They should cast them Jews for Jesus and Arabs for Muhammad, it's as simple as that.

Jesus was described with bronze skin and hair as white as wool. Something like this guy makes much more sense.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vvAhyR-6PAM/TJlv_8g4ILI/AAAAAAAAGA8/mfYLhr_xI34/s1600/blue-eyedAfghan.jpg

[ButlerKing]

And if you want a light skin light eyes muhammad, he would like this. Semite facial structure.

http://arcadiafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/ASSAD.jpg

Nothing close to these

http://blog.kievukraine.info/uploaded_images/3423-747346.jpg
http://blog.kievukraine.info/uploaded_images/6469-722445.jpg

[Prince Carlo]

I don't understand if Butlerking is just trolling or is a complete fucktard.

[Vasconcelos]

I don't understand if Butlerking is just trolling or is a complete fucktard.

Both at the same time.

[ButlerKing]

Why are European Latins people so pissed because I mentioned they have some non-European admixture?

[Damião de Góis]

Why are European Latins people so pissed because I mentioned they have some non-European admixture?

Because you bullshit about it:

1- The dodecad samples from Portugal are all from Vila Real in northern Portugal.

2 - Portuguese have 7% Sub Saharan genes.

3 - Portuguese have 30% West Asian genes.

These are some of the things you have said in the past days, and they were all made up.

[Gauthier]

I guess the comic book creators were retarded, a latin, that big and muscled? :picard2:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=30896&d=1364337632

Nice try, son. Posting Ecuadorian amerindians to represent a huge number of diverse people. :picard1:

Now a taste of reality:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKF2TkM39M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_8A0jaONI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Edw04d8LA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SRz2FcXYew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tPcvg3zxN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ia_-xLhFmw

[HispaniaSagrada]

Some white fellows are never pleased.

If they portray non whites in white roles: whites throw a rant!!!

If they portray whites in non white roles: whites throw also a rant!!!.

Nonsensical.


Your statement is what's nonsensical. The opposite, that would be hypocritical.

[alfieb]

I would prefer a Levantine Christian (Assyrian, Lebanese, whatever) to portray Jesus over a Jew or a Muslim. I feel uncomfortable with the idea of a Jew who does not believe in the story portraying him. I'm sure Muslims would be just as bothered by a non-Muslim Muhammad (if it weren't illegal for someone to portray Muhammad at all).

[HispaniaSagrada]

In the past west Africans considered Arabs as White skinned when they were yellowish to medium brown skinned, that's because they never saw a European look like so they called them white. West African also called Ethiopians lighter skin people.

Their white color could have mean't this which is already much lighter than average Arabs.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3044/2931181437_c018722a7c_z.jpg

That guy looks like he can be slavic.

[Lábaru]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/26232/Nick%20Fury.jpg
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/002/0/3/nick_fury_p__series_by_thuddleston-d36b3ps.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GNBXB674PFo/UAxWipBM4GI/AAAAAAAAAP8/q_b6JJlYi0M/s1600/Kingpin.jpg
(DEP/RIP)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/Dunkenkingpin.png/250px-Dunkenkingpin.png
http://www.gameblog.fr/images/blog/RaHaN/Films/StreetFighter/Taboo_Vega.jpg
http://www.filmofilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/street_fighter_vega.jpg

[HispaniaSagrada]

First off, AshkJews can range anywhere between 30-70% ME (with the remainder being Euro). Which means that Jake Gyllenhaal was a poor choice.

I really hate hollywood whitewashing. It really sickens me. Also when they get half white half asian/black/whatever to play an asian/black/whatever role.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/537a309738dc1efd8d645333dd63949c/tumblr_mhh8kaU5Cz1re1n7qo1_500.jpg

All it does is perpetuate the Caucasian standard of beauty, and make everybody else feel shit about themselves.

It's a business. Most people seem to find lighter more visually appealing, especially in women. If you think they're going to use some very dark black woman with strong features most of the time instead of a mulatto who is more gracile with finer features, especially when targeting a male demographic, just so that it doesn't hurt someone's feelings then you're out of it. By your standard I should be able to go up to all the hottest chicks I can find and if they all reject me I should be pissed off cause in the end not one wanted me and all the rejection did was end up making me feel like shit.

And besides in that picture those three female characters look exactly like what they are so I don't know why you didn't give a better example.

Here's an example of the opposite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Smits

I saw a taped show of Arsenio Hall where he talked about playing characters of different races. I even heard him acknowledge he played a Portuguese character. So the opposite happens, too and I knew it when I first saw this topic but I wanted to see if anyone else brought it up first.

[HispaniaSagrada]

Jesus was described with bronze skin and hair as white as wool. Something like this guy makes much more sense.

That is symbolism and not literal.

[HispaniaSagrada]

He's just going to say that, what you posted, doesn't count because those are fictional characters.



http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/26232/Nick%20Fury.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GNBXB674PFo/UAxWipBM4GI/AAAAAAAAAP8/q_b6JJlYi0M/s1600/Kingpin.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/Dunkenkingpin.png/250px-Dunkenkingpin.png
http://www.gameblog.fr/images/blog/RaHaN/Films/StreetFighter/Taboo_Vega.jpg
http://www.filmofilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/street_fighter_vega.jpg

[Dombra]

I don´t actually care unless the movies are supposed to be based on real events and be very true. Latino Bane is not something I cared to see in TDKR, Hardy did the best job in the film.

[Matilda]

found on tumblr

http://25.media.tumblr.com/25672e517e6eb0041007321949a8b58f/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo1_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/fdb4f610b7b8e1927c4c934eaf4d0738/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo2_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/44163144807488c1c626e62bd3289fd7/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo3_r4_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/bf453e3b3203705229f27055bcb21241/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo4_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/b4cc55dadff2c66835c1dde1e54d9c7f/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo5_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/661b7823a7da4b5fa429f4470b61e70c/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo6_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/557991d65c908bb4abca0c665cd3e6d6/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo7_r2_500.jpg

[Graus]

Seems more like Hollywood even turn Nordic gods into negroes nowadays for the sake of political correctness.

[Aquafina]

Well, how does it make white people look bad? Usually, the people who are in charge of the casting are Jewish.

Jake Gyllenhaal is Jewish, so he can play a Persian.

[Aquafina]

found on tumblr

http://25.media.tumblr.com/25672e517e6eb0041007321949a8b58f/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo1_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/fdb4f610b7b8e1927c4c934eaf4d0738/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo2_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/44163144807488c1c626e62bd3289fd7/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo3_r4_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/bf453e3b3203705229f27055bcb21241/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo4_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/b4cc55dadff2c66835c1dde1e54d9c7f/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo5_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/661b7823a7da4b5fa429f4470b61e70c/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo6_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/557991d65c908bb4abca0c665cd3e6d6/tumblr_mjh4hhm11E1s4twweo7_r2_500.jpg

Maria Belon is Spanish and Spanish people are white, so why can't Naomi Watts, who is also white, play her? In fact, Naomi and Maria are both European. Since when is a person of European descent considered non-white? Or does this person think Europeans are white except for the Spanish because they speak Spanish?

This chart automatically loses credit because of that. :rolleyes:

[Atlantic Islander]

Maria Belon is Spanish and Spanish people are white, so why can't Naomi Watts, who is also white, play her? In fact, Naomi and Maria are both European. Since when is a person of European descent considered non-white? Or does this person think Europeans are white except for the Spanish because they speak Spanish?

This chart automatically loses credit because of that. :rolleyes:

They are dumb enough to think that Spain = Mexico.

[Siberyak]

Jewish Hollywood has done a lot of damage to peoples minds

[Anthropologique]

They are dumb enough to think that Spain = Mexico.

It's called perspectival de'calage. My term, developed from a battery of cognitive research results over time.

Today's media is a manipulative tool, employed for the purpose of twisting reality and people's mind sets to accomplish depraved goals.

Think of how many TA members are severely lacking in knowledge about certain ethnic groups.

[Stormer99]

White Mexicans are usually of Spanish descent. A Spaniard should relate to the White Mexicans more than the Swedes. Just like an Italian should relate to Italian Americans more than say the British.

[Atlantic Islander]

White Mexicans are usually of Spanish descent. A Spaniard should relate to the White Mexicans more than the Swedes. Just like an Italian should relate to Italian Americans more than say the British.

That has nothing to do with the topic.

[Stormer99]

That has nothing to do with the topic.

Yes it does. Many people in Europe assume everyone in Latin America is extensively mixed and can't be genetic kin.

[Anthropologique]

Yes it does. Many people in Europe assume everyone in Latin America is extensively mixed and can't be genetic kin.

WTF! The majority of LATAM IS mixed. With the exception of Uruguay (~ 90% white), Argentina (~ 65%). Brazil is ~ 45% and Mexico 10 - 15%.

[Anthropologique]

White Mexicans are usually of Spanish descent. A Spaniard should relate to the White Mexicans more than the Swedes. Just like an Italian should relate to Italian Americans more than say the British.

Spaniards don't relate to Mexicans of any color. Libya was once a colony of Italy, do Italians relate to Libyans? :rolleyes:

[Stormer99]

Spaniards don't relate to Mexicans of any color. Libya was once a colony of Italy. Do Italians relate to Libyans? :rolleyes:

Libyans are not ethnic Italians whereas most white Mexicans are ethnic Spaniards. How is their culture less similar to the white Mexicans than it is to say a Dane?

[Stormer99]

WTF! The majority of LATAM IS mixed. With the exception of Uruguay (~ 90% white), Argentina (~ 65%). Brazil is ~ 45% and Mexico 10 - 15%.

Majority is not everyone.

[Anthropologique]

Libyans are not ethnic Italians whereas most white Mexicans are ethnic Spaniards. How is their culture less similar to the white Mexicans than it is to say a Dane?

Spain has a complex European culture running from Celtic to Roman to Basque. Mexico has it's own distinct culture that is more indigenous to Mexico than anything else.

[Stormer99]

Spain has a complex European culture running from Celtic to Roman to Basque. Mexico has it's own distinct culture that is more indigenous to Mexico than anything else.

Not all of the culture is indigenous. It's more of a mix of the two. I feel closer to white Latin Americans than I do to Swedes but maybe it's because I'm a new worlder.

[WOOHP]

Maria Belon is Spanish and Spanish people are white, so why can't Naomi Watts, who is also white, play her? In fact, Naomi and Maria are both European. Since when is a person of European descent considered non-white? Or does this person think Europeans are white except for the Spanish because they speak Spanish?

This chart automatically loses credit because of that. :rolleyes:
In this specific case it was more of a Northification. Not "White-Washing" LOL.

This thread is just silly.

[Smeagol]

Well, how does it make white people look bad? Usually, the people who are in charge of the casting are Jewish.

Jake Gyllenhaal is Jewish, so he can play a Persian.

:picard1:

[Smeagol]

And none of them are European whites. They should cast them Jews for Jesus and Arabs for Muhammad, it's as simple as that.

Jesus was described with bronze skin and hair as white as wool. Something like this guy makes much more sense.

That part of the Bible was written after he died. Here is a letter from Pontius Pilate to emperor Tiberius.


TIBERIUS CAESAR-EMPEROR OF ROME-NOBLE SOVEREIGN

The events of the last few days in my providence have been of such a character that I will give the details in full as they occurred, as I should not be surprised if, in the course of, time, they may change the destiny of our nation, for it seems of late that all the gods have ceased to be propitous. I am almost ready to say, Cursed be the day that I succeeded Vallerius Falceus in the government of Judea; for since then my life has been one of continual uneasiness and distress.

On my arrival at Jerusalem I took possession of the Praetorium, and ordered a splendid feast to be prepared, to which I invited the Tetrarch of Galilee, with the high priest and his officers. At the appointed hour no guest appeared. This I considered an insult offered my dignity, and the whole government which I represent. A few days later, the high priest designed to pay me a visit. His deportment was grave and deceitful. He pretended that his religion forbade him and his attendants to sit at the table of the Romans, and eat and offer libations with them, but this was only a sanctimonious seeming, for his very countenance betrayed his hypocrisy. Although I thought it expedient to accept his excuse, from that moment I was convinced that the conquered had declared themselves the enemy of the conquerors; and I would warn the Romans to beware of the high Priests of this country. They would betray their own mother to gain office and a luxurious living. It seems to me that, of conquered cities, Jerusalem is the most difficult to govern. So turbulent are the people that I live in momentary dread of an insurrection. I have not soldiers sufficient to suppress it. I had only one centurion and a hundred men at my command. I requested a reinforcement from the perfect of Syria, who informed me that he had scarcely troops sufficient to defend his own province. An insatiate thirst for conquest to extend our empire beyond the means of defending it, I fear, will be the cause of the final overthrow of our whole government. I lived secluded from the masses, for I do not know what those priests might influence the rabble to do; yet I endeavored to ascertain, as far as I could, the mind and standing of the people.

Among the various rumors that came to my ears there was one in particular that attracted my attention. A young man, it was said, appeared in Galiee preaching with a noble unction a new law in the name of God who had sent him. At first I was apprehensive that his design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day in passing by the place of Siloe, where there was a great concourse of people, I observed in the midst of the group a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected, so great was the difference between him and those listening to him. His golden-colored hair and beard gave him the appearance of a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years old. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a Contrast between him and his hearers, with their black beards and tawny completion!

[ButlerKing]

That part of the Bible was written after he died. Here is a letter from Pontius Pilate to emperor Tiberius.

So we can't necessarily confirm if it was Jesus. Many people in Jerusalem were called Jesus in the pass, they even found graves that were called Jesus.

This is the oldest depiction of Jesus in history

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Spas_vsederzhitel_sinay.jpg

[Insuperable]

And none of them are European whites. They should cast them Jews for Jesus and Arabs for Muhammad, it's as simple as that.

Jesus was described with bronze skin and hair as white as wool. Something like this guy makes much more sense.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vvAhyR-6PAM/TJlv_8g4ILI/AAAAAAAAGA8/mfYLhr_xI34/s1600/blue-eyedAfghan.jpg

:picard2:

That is the description (John's vision) of Jesus in the second coming. It has little to do with human pigmentation.

Revelation 1:14-17

I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[d] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1&version=NIV

[Smeagol]

So we can't necessarily confirm if it was Jesus. Many people in Jerusalem were called Jesus in the pass, they even found graves that were called Jesus.

This is the oldest depiction of Jesus in history

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Spas_vsederzhitel_sinay.jpg

What year was this depiction from? And, yes Pontius Pilate was referring to Jesus Christ, in a letter to the Emperor Tiberius.

[Atlantic Islander]

In this specific case it was more of a Northification.

That's not even something that's possible.

[Annihilus]

This is the oldest depiction of Jesus in history

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Spas_vsederzhitel_sinay.jpg

What is that book he is holding? Can't be the bible because that was written several centuries after his death, and the cross wasn't a christian symbol while he was alive.

[Smeagol]

ButlerKing, i'm going to make a thread about Jesus.

[Benacer]

So we can't necessarily confirm if it was Jesus. Many people in Jerusalem were called Jesus in the pass, they even found graves that were called Jesus.

This is the oldest depiction of Jesus in history

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Spas_vsederzhitel_sinay.jpg

So you are implying that there was another Jesus of Nazareth there at around thirty years old preaching a different branch of Judaism? :rolleyes:

[ButlerKing]

What year was this depiction from? And, yes Pontius Pilate was referring to Jesus Christ, in a letter to the Emperor Tiberius.

In the 6th century

The other quotes that make Jesus seem like a European with ‘blue eyes’ and ‘blonde hair’ is clearly corruptions and falsifications of historical documents. Whether they are entire fabrications or just corruptions of earlier records are somewhat beside the point. It is simple outrageous nonsense. The Bible says that there was nothing about Jesus that attracted men to him. If he was walking around like a European runway model it would fly right against the few biblical descriptions of his appearance. Not only so but it would have attracted so many comments about such strange look for a Jew. Our only expectation of his physical appearance is that he looked like an ordinary Jew. That means he would have most likely had olive skin and dark hair.

[ButlerKing]

So you are implying that there was another Jesus of Nazareth there at around thirty years old preaching a different branch of Judaism? :rolleyes:

Yes, this is what the facial reconstruction of Jesus looked like, they were called Jesus too.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/mv/face-of-jesus-03-0312-de.jpg
http://www.christculturenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/DiscoveryChannel_Jesus.jpg
http://btscelebs.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/thebible_history_peter_20130324.jpeg

[Smeagol]

Yes, this is what the facial reconstruction of Jesus looked like, they were called Jesus too.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/mv/face-of-jesus-03-0312-de.jpg
http://www.christculturenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/DiscoveryChannel_Jesus.jpg
http://btscelebs.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/thebible_history_peter_20130324.jpeg

How could they make a facial reconstruction? they don't have his skull.

[ButlerKing]

How could they make a facial reconstruction? they don't have his skull.

Archeologist found burials of skulls named Jesus and reconstructed their face.

[Benacer]

In the 6th century

The other quotes that make Jesus seem like a European with ‘blue eyes’ and ‘blonde hair’ is clearly corruptions and falsifications of historical documents. Whether they are entire fabrications or just corruptions of earlier records are somewhat beside the point. It is simple outrageous nonsense. The Bible says that there was nothing about Jesus that attracted men to him. If he was walking around like a European runway model it would fly right against the few biblical descriptions of his appearance. Not only so but it would have attracted so many comments about such strange look for a Jew. Our only expectation of his physical appearance is that he looked like an ordinary Jew. That means he would have most likely had olive skin and dark hair.

Maybe the letter is a forgery then.

[Smeagol]

Archeologist found burials of skulls named Jesus and reconstructed their face.

But they are just random people named Jesus, not the Jesus of the Bible.

[ariel]

Yes, this is what the facial reconstruction of Jesus looked like, they were called Jesus too.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/mv/face-of-jesus-03-0312-de.jpg
http://www.christculturenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/DiscoveryChannel_Jesus.jpg
http://btscelebs.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/thebible_history_peter_20130324.jpeg

this men dosent look levantine at all

We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic expansion Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to Middle Easterners.


http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1003316

east med is the predominate type in the levant....

[ButlerKing]

But they are just random people named Jesus, not the Jesus of the Bible.


There wasn't only one Jesus preaching, there were other fake Jesus who used his name and preaching to people.

[ButlerKing]

this men dosent look levantine at all

We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic expansion Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to Middle Easterners.


http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1003316

east med is the predominate type in the levant....

The genetic study doesn't claim they were similar to European but had genetic and cultural exchanges. The Romans and Greeks also have gave a portion of European genes to Levantines.

[ariel]

The genetic study doesn't claim they were similar to European but had genetic and cultural exchanges. The Romans and Greeks also have gave a portion of European genes to Levantines.

Our time estimate of divergence between the Levantine and European components (~15,900-9,100 y.a) overlaps with the transition to agriculture in the Levant ~11,000 y.a but is also slightly earlier than the proposed expansion to Europe starting at ~9,000 y.a. [23]–[25]. In agreement with this, a recent study of complete mtDNA sequences also proposed earlier expansion dates (19,000-12,000 y.a) of certain female lineages from the Near East to Europe [26]. These results suggest that population migration to Europe from the Near East could have started after the LGM warming and continued until the Neolithic. In addition, these results show that the modern European genetic component is more recent than would be expected from a component that developed from the initial peopling of Europe in the Upper Paleolithic ~40,000 y.a.[/COLOR]

[ButlerKing]

Our time estimate of divergence between the Levantine and European components (~15,900-9,100 y.a) overlaps with the transition to agriculture in the Levant ~11,000 y.a but is also slightly earlier than the proposed expansion to Europe starting at ~9,000 y.a. [23]–[25]. In agreement with this, a recent study of complete mtDNA sequences also proposed earlier expansion dates (19,000-12,000 y.a) of certain female lineages from the Near East to Europe [26]. These results suggest that population migration to Europe from the Near East could have started after the LGM warming and continued until the Neolithic. In addition, these results show that the modern European genetic component is more recent than would be expected from a component that developed from the initial peopling of Europe in the Upper Paleolithic ~40,000 y.a.[/COLOR]

I still don't see how this makes Levantines more European in the past

[ariel]

I still don't see how this makes Levantines more European in the past

why in the past?


Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans

[ButlerKing]

why in the past?


Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans

Levant was a semetic language, the European DNA similarity can be explainded by the fact the European slaves, Romans, Greeks, Crusaders. The Levant people are still heavily genetically similar to other middle Easter people

[ariel]

Levant was a semetic language, the European DNA similarity can be explainded by the fact the European slaves, Romans, Greeks, Crusaders. The Levant people are still heavily genetically similar to other middle Easter people

In order to assess the population structure of Levantine populations more generally, an MDS (Figure 2) and a normalized principle component analysis (PCA) (Figure S2) plots with 48 additional Old World populations (Table S1) were built

[ButlerKing]

In order to assess the population structure of Levantine populations more generally, an MDS (Figure 2) and a normalized principle component analysis (PCA) (Figure S2) plots with 48 additional Old World populations (Table S1) were built

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/West-Asian-admixture.gif

[ariel]

http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/West-Asian-admixture.gif

this map is better


http://imageshack.us/a/img713/3396/1cap.png


GREEN-MUSLIM LEVANTINES

BLUE- NATIVE LEVANTINES

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans

[ButlerKing]

this map is better


http://imageshack.us/a/img713/3396/1cap.png


GREEN-MUSLIM LEVANTINES

BLUE- NATIVE LEVANTINES

Which obviously doesn't prove Levantines were Europeans

[ariel]

Which obviously doesn't prove Levantines were Europeans

NO, BUT THE MODERN EUROPEANS ORIGINATED IN THE LEVANT.

Our time estimate of divergence between the Levantine and European components (~15,900-9,100 y.a) overlaps with the transition to agriculture in the Levant ~11,000 y.a but is also slightly earlier than the proposed expansion to Europe starting at ~9,000 y.a. [23]–[25]. In agreement with this, a recent study of complete mtDNA sequences also proposed earlier expansion dates (19,000-12,000 y.a) of certain female lineages from the Near East to Europe [26]. These results suggest that population migration to Europe from the Near East could have started after the LGM warming and continued until the Neolithic. In addition, these results show that the modern European genetic component is more recent than would be expected from a component that developed from the initial peopling of Europe in the Upper Paleolithic ~40,000 y.a.[/COLOR]

[Shah-Jehan]

this map is better


http://imageshack.us/a/img713/3396/1cap.png


GREEN-MUSLIM LEVANTINES

BLUE- NATIVE LEVANTINES

Levant populations today fall into two main groups: one sharing more genetic characteristics with modern-day Europeans and Central Asians, and the other with closer genetic affinities to other Middle Easterners and Africans
Is this a native levantine:laugh:?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Shlomo_Molla_official.jpg/400px-Shlomo_Molla_official.jpg

[ButlerKing]

NO, BUT THE MODERN EUROPEANS ORIGINATED IN THE LEVANT.

Our time estimate of divergence between the Levantine and European components (~15,900-9,100 y.a) overlaps with the transition to agriculture in the Levant ~11,000 y.a but is also slightly earlier than the proposed expansion to Europe starting at ~9,000 y.a. [23]–[25]. In agreement with this, a recent study of complete mtDNA sequences also proposed earlier expansion dates (19,000-12,000 y.a) of certain female lineages from the Near East to Europe [26]. These results suggest that population migration to Europe from the Near East could have started after the LGM warming and continued until the Neolithic. In addition, these results show that the modern European genetic component is more recent than would be expected from a component that developed from the initial peopling of Europe in the Upper Paleolithic ~40,000 y.a.[/COLOR]

If they originated from Levant like you claimed than why are the Levant DNA components so rare in Europe

[ariel]

Is this a native levantine:laugh:?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Shlomo_Molla_official.jpg/400px-Shlomo_Molla_official.jpg

just ignore this troll

[ariel]

If they originated from Levant like you claimed than why are the Levant DNA components so rare in Europe

levantine component is the med component.

[Shah-Jehan]

just ignore this troll
No, you stupid Yehood, I was correcting you on how Muslims Levantines are not native...

[ariel]

no, you stupid yehood, i was correcting you on how muslims levantines are not native...

shut up and fuck off please.

[Shah-Jehan]

shut up and fuck off please.

OY VEY!!!:laugh:

[ariel]

OY VEY!!!:laugh:

:picard2:

[Shah-Jehan]

:picard2:

^Meshuggah...

[ariel]

^Meshuggah...

:picard2:

[Smeagol]

No, you stupid Yehood, I was correcting you on how Muslims Levantines are not native...

They aren't.

[Smeagol]

Levant was a semetic language, the European DNA similarity can be explainded by the fact the European slaves, Romans, Greeks, Crusaders. The Levant people are still heavily genetically similar to other middle Easter people

Romans, and Greeks never left any genes in the places they conquered, and Crusaders left a few, but far less than the Arabs. Muslim Levantines are mostly Bedouins.

[ButlerKing]

Romans, and Greeks never left any genes in the places they conquered, and Crusaders left a few, but far less than the Arabs. Muslim Levantines are mostly Bedouins.

According to whom? who's to say anyway that the Arabs left more Arabic genetic than European when the Levants were Arabic speakers to begin with?

[Stormer99]

According to some of the Iberian trolls here, white Cubans of Spaniard descent have less in common with them than some Dane or Swede.

[Aquafina]

I was just pointing out that the people in charge in Hollywood are mostly Jewish (fact) and not white. So Hollywood doesn't make white people look bad because white people have no power in that town.

Jake Gyllenhaal can play a Persian man because he is Jewish. Dur.

http://gaygamer.net/images/jake1.jpg

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12000000/Jake-in-Prince-of-Persia-jake-gyllenhaal-12015240-1450-967.jpg

http://cdn04.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/gyllenhaal-shirtless/jake-gyllenhaal-shirtless-prince-of-persia-02.jpg

I do not see a white person in these pictures.

[Loki]

I was just pointing out that the people in charge in Hollywood are mostly Jewish (fact) and not white. So Hollywood doesn't make white people look bad because white people have no power in that town.

Jake Gyllenhaal can play a Persian man because he is Jewish. Dur.

The fact that you are probably very swarthy doesn't make all other Jews non-white. But if it makes you feel better, believe that :)

[Loki]

Romans, and Greeks never left any genes in the places they conquered, and Crusaders left a few, but far less than the Arabs. Muslim Levantines are mostly Bedouins.

Bedouins? LOL

[Aquafina]

The fact that you are probably very swarthy doesn't make all other Jews non-white. But if it makes you feel better, believe that :)

Yes, they are non-white. Does anybody think of Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johansson, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Gwyneth Paltrow, Alyson Hannigan, Mila Kunis, Chelsea Handler, Michelle Trachtenberg, Alicia Silverstone, etc. as white people?

Nope.

[YeshAtid]

Yes they do.

[Aquafina]

Yes they do.

No, they do not. They see them as persons of color.

[YeshAtid]

No, they do not. They see them as persons of color.

Most are half jews and you're a moron:picard2:

[Aquafina]

Most are half jews and you're a moron:picard2:

Well, then Scarlett Johansson is bi-racial.

[riverman]

Yes, they are non-white. Does anybody think of Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johansson, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Gwyneth Paltrow, Alyson Hannigan, Mila Kunis, Chelsea Handler, Michelle Trachtenberg, Alicia Silverstone, etc. as white people?

Nope.

Yeah, I do

[YeshAtid]

She's a putz lol

[HispaniaSagrada]

She's a putz lol

Just a troll having lulz.

[Loki]

Yes, they are non-white.

Evidence that you're trolling:

Jews are whiter than your regular white American (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?71334-Jews-are-whiter-than-your-regular-white-American)

... by Aquafina :bored:

[Maleficent]

Romans, and Greeks never left any genes in the places they conquered, and Crusaders left a few, but far less than the Arabs. Muslim Levantines are mostly Bedouins.

Crusader blood(North Euro) is about 3 to 5 percent on average, and it's possible that the heavy Mediterranean(South Euro) component in the Levant(a range of 30 percent on average) is from when the Romans and Greeks ruled the area.....

Add up those numbers and you can see why the Levant is anywhere between 28 and 33 percent European according to this Dodecad admixture map:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg607/scaled.php?server=607&filename=euroadmix.png&res=medium

[YeshAtid]

Close thread

[Aquafina]

Evidence that you're trolling:

Jews are whiter than your regular white American (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?71334-Jews-are-whiter-than-your-regular-white-American)

... by Aquafina :bored:

I am not trolling.

It is FACT that Scarlett Johansson and the rest of the "half Jewish" people like her are BI-RACIAL.

Who thinks of Buffy Summers as white? Sarah Michelle Gellar is 100% Jewish. Is she a white woman? No.

[Loki]

I am not trolling.

It is FACT that Scarlett Johansson and the rest of the "half Jewish" people like her are BI-RACIAL.

Who thinks of Buffy Summers as white? Sarah Michelle Gellar is 100% Jewish. Is she a white woman? No.

Then why did you earlier make threads saying Jewish people are more white than others? You seem to change your views more frequently than your panties.

[Aquafina]

Sarah Gellar THEN:

http://i2.listal.com/image/5801079/600full-sarah-michelle-gellar.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/5801101/600full-sarah-michelle-gellar.jpg

Sarah Gellar NOW:

http://i2.listal.com/image/5743325/600full-sarah-michelle-gellar.jpg

White woman? I don't think so.

Anyway, the point is that Hollywood white-washing roles does not make white people look bad. It makes Jews look bad.

[YeshAtid]

She looks european lol

[Loki]

White woman? I don't think so.

Anyway, the point is that Hollywood white-washing roles does not make white people look bad. It makes Jews look bad.

I heard someone saying you are half black. That could explain it.

Anyway, I hope you realise you're the only one who believes in your ridiculous opinions. :lol:

[riverman]

Sarah Gellar THEN:

http://i2.listal.com/image/5801079/600full-sarah-michelle-gellar.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/5801101/600full-sarah-michelle-gellar.jpg

Sarah Gellar NOW:

http://i2.listal.com/image/5743325/600full-sarah-michelle-gellar.jpg

White woman? I don't think so.

Anyway, the point is that Hollywood white-washing roles does not make white people look bad. It makes Jews look bad.

white 0_0

[Aquafina]

I heard someone saying you are half black. That could explain it.

Anyway, I hope you realise you're the only one who believes in your ridiculous opinions. :lol:

The point is that Hollywood whitewashing roles does not make white people look bad. It makes Jews look bad, and you have not addressed it. You only refer to my opinion that Sarah Gellar is not white. That's not the point of this thread.

For this thread, they had Paz Vega play a Mexican woman. People may not consider that whitewashing because Paz is Spanish and they are unaware that Spanish and Mexican people are not the same.

They also had Penelope Cruz play tons of Latinas, including a Colombian in Blow.

They have also had Antonio Banderas play a Mexican about a million times, and they even had Catherine Zeta Jones play a Mexican.

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Blow-pen-C3-A9lope-cruz-225717_1200_965.jpg

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32700000/El-Mariachi-antonio-banderas-32781037-649-1000.jpg

http://www.futuramaplus.es/sites/default/files/R-796392-1159696583.jpg

Joanna Garcia is a half or quarter Cuban. Of course she is white and of Spanish descent, but they never have her play an actual Latina.

http://ilarge.listal.com/image/4008307/936full-joanna-garcia.jpg

They always have Penelope, Antonio, and other Spaniards do it.

[Aquafina]

They also had Eli Wallach (Jew) and Lee Van Cleef (Dutch) play Mexicans in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly!

Of course having Eli Wallach play a Mexican is not whitewashing, but having Lee Van Cleef play one is.

Clint Eastwood played a white man named Blondie.

[Stormer99]

There are white Mexicans you know...... :picard1:

[Stormer99]

They also had Eli Wallach (Jew) and Lee Van Cleef (Dutch) play Mexicans in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly!

Of course having Eli Wallach play a Mexican is not whitewashing, but having Lee Van Cleef play one is.

Clint Eastwood played a white man named Blondie.

There are white Mexicans of Spaniard descent so why would a Spaniard playing a Mexican be so unusual?

[Aquafina]

There are white Mexicans of Spaniard descent so why would a Spaniard playing a Mexican be so unusual?

Because of the fact that most Mexicans are not white. :) It is true that there are white Mexicans, but they are in the minority.

I would be fine with Penelope and Antonio playing Cubans because there are a lot of Cubans that are white, but let's be honest here. Most Mexicans are mestizo and heavy with the Amerindian. Penelope and Antonio have ZERO Amerindian ancestry.

[Stormer99]

Because of the fact that most Mexicans are not white. :) It is true that there are white Mexicans, but they are in the minority.

I would be fine with Penelope and Antonio playing Cubans because there are a lot of Cubans that are white, but let's be honest here. Most Mexicans are mestizo and heavy with the Amerindian. Penelope and Antonio have ZERO Amerindian ancestry.

Eli Wallach doesn't have Amerindian blood either. I do think they should play Cubans more than Mexicans though because they look more similar to Cubans....

[Atlantic Islander]

Joanna Garcia is a half or quarter Cuban. Of course she is white and of Spanish descent, but they never have her play an actual Latina.


Same goes for Julie Gonzalo and Majandra Delfino I've noticed.

[Aquafina]

Eli Wallach doesn't have Amerindian blood either. I do think they should play Cubans more than Mexicans though because they look more similar to Cubans....

Eli Wallach playing a non-white person is okay because he is also non-white.

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc2NjEwOTQ4Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwODk3NDc3._V1._ SX444_SY666_.jpg

Cruz and Banderas, however, are white . . .

http://i2.listal.com/image/1180229/600full-penelope-cruz.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/278313/600full-penelope-cruz.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/1036598/600full-penelope-cruz.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/1331223/600full-antonio-banderas.jpg

They would be better off playing Cubans since a large proportion of Cubans are actually white.

http://i2.listal.com/image/542282/600full-joanna-garcia.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/2165297/600full-joanna-garcia.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/1640543/600full-bella-thorne.jpg

Anyway, I am unsure how Hollywood makes whites look bad because of their whitewashing. Whites have minimal to no power in that town.

[Stormer99]

Eli Wallach playing a non-white person is okay because he is also non-white.



So would a Chinese person playing a black person be OK in your book according to your logic? Both are not white but they have nothing in common genetically or culturally.

[Maleficent]

Eli Wallach doesn't have Amerindian blood either. I do think they should play Cubans more than Mexicans though because they look more similar to Cubans....

Sort of wrong. The Spaniard blood in Mexicans is from Southern Spain, and the Spaniard blood in Cubans is from Northern Spain. Which is why Penelope Cruz, Antonio Banderas, and Javier Bardem(Southern Spaniards) look similar to the Whiter looking Mexicans and White Mexicans. Whereas the White Cubans(of fully Spanish descent) like Andy Garcia and Joanna Garcia resemble Northern Spaniards. There is a phenotypic difference in Northern vs Southern Spain which is why White Cubans can play White American and North Euro roles in Hollywood and Southern Spaniards can play Mexicans in Hollywood. Keep in mind I'm not talking about Amerindian, predominately Amerindian, or Mestizo Mexicans. I'm talking about predominately White and White Mexicans.

[Aquafina]

So would a Chinese person playing a black person be OK in your book according to your logic? Both are not white but they have nothing in common genetically or culturally.

No. Chinese and black people are not the same.

The point is that they are all people of color, though.

[Smeagol]

Bedouins? LOL

Okay, a Bedouin/Levantine mix.

[Loki]

By the way Penelope Cruz is more hot than any Jewish woman I've seen yet.

[Aquafina]

By the way Penelope Cruz is more hot than any Jewish woman I've seen yet.

Lies. Scarlett Johansson has her beat.

http://i2.listal.com/image/5859392/600full-scarlett-johansson.jpg

[Philo]

By the way Penelope Cruz is more hot than any Jewish woman I've seen yet.

And...?

[Loki]

Lies. Scarlett Johansson has her beat.

http://i2.listal.com/image/5859392/600full-scarlett-johansson.jpg

Yuk.

[Loki]

And...?

Aquafina claimed Jewish women are prettier than non-Jewish ones.