Madeleine Albright ''I don't regret the bombings in Serbia at all!''

[Arbërori]

I found this on a facebook page:

Madeleine Albright has commented her stance today on a Dutch television programme, infront of thousands of viewers, if she regrets the ''Bombs Away'' (:lol:) in Serbia? She said ''No, I don't feel any kind of regret for what I did for Albanians and Kosovo, I actually feel proud that I saved thousands of innocent lives and I would've done the same again, if needed!''

Can anyone help us find the Dutch show, where she appareantly said that?
http://i.imgur.com/X1W9gnI.jpg

Madeleine Korbelová Albright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright) (born May 15, 1937) was the first woman to become the United States Secretary of State. She was nominated by US President Bill Clinton on December 5, 1996, and was unanimously confirmed by a U.S. Senate vote of 99–0. She was sworn in on January 23, 1997.

[Drawing-slim]

God bless her.

[Arbërori]

God bless her.

http://i.imgur.com/0m1f82c.gif

:lol: :thumb001:

[derLowe]

I found this on a facebook page:

Madeleine Albright has commented her stance today on a Dutch television programme, infront of thousands of viewers, if she regrets the ''Bombs Away'' (:lol:) in Serbia? She said ''No, I don't feel any kind of regret for what I did for Albanians and Kosovo, I actually feel proud that I saved thousands of innocent lives and I would've done the same again, if needed!''

Can anyone help us find the Dutch show, where she appareantly said that?

Madeleine Korbelová Albright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright) (born May 15, 1937) was the first woman to become the United States Secretary of State. She was nominated by US President Bill Clinton on December 5, 1996, and was unanimously confirmed by a U.S. Senate vote of 99–0. She was sworn in on January 23, 1997.

Translation: You(Serbs) were in the way of our plans and you(Serbs) had to crushed.

[Minesweeper]

God bless her.

Would you do her from gratitude if she asked you?


Translation: You(Serbs) were in the way of our plans and you(Serbs) had to crushed.

Funny how some Albanians think that Americans actually spent millions of dollars and revealed their stealth technology for nothing more than humanitarian action, like they are Red Cross or Greenpeace.

[Arbërori]

Translation: You(Serbs) were in the way of our plans and you(Serbs) had to crushed.

Translation: You (Serbs) were killing innocent people and you (Serbs) had to be crushed. :wink

[Arbërori]

Funny how some Albanians think that Americans actually spent millions of dollars and revealed their stealth technology for nothing more than humanitarian action, like they are Red Cross or Greenpeace.

For what else then? They had to do what they had to do, if your people didn't start killing innocents in Kosovo, then... What would've been the point of bombing Serbia? You feel into your own traps, murderers! :wink

[Drawing-slim]

Would you do her from gratitude if she asked you?.I admit that you've a twisted/clever sense of humor. Like that coment while back: "i guess they didn't like that taken down monument much":laugh:

But A lot more can be said about whole serbia chasing down crying to an old lady Albright demanding an apology anywhere she goes on book signing, while she screams: "get out of my face filthy serbs!"

Even you gotta love her, i know you're big enough to apriciate that:lol:
Look on youtube on her book signing and serbian crying hecklers, some like that..

[Arbërori]

I admit that you've a twisted/clever sense of humor. Like that coment while back: "i guess they didn't like that taken down monument much":laugh:

But A lot more can be said about whole serbia chasing down crying to an old lady Albright demanding an apology anywhere she goes on book signing, while she screams: "get out of my face filthy serbs!"

Even you gotta love her, i know you're big enough to apriciate that:lol:
Look on youtube on her book signing and serbian crying hecklers, some like that..

Omg, I saw that, she is such a Boss Bitch, handlin' dat vermin! :lol: :P

[Minesweeper]

I admit that you've a twisted/clever sense of humor. Like that coment while back: "i guess they didn't like that taken down monument much":laugh:

But A lot more can be said about whole serbia chasing down crying to an old lady Albright demanding an apology anywhere she goes on book signing, while she screams: "get out of my face filthy serbs!"

Even you gotta love her, i know you're big enough to apriciate that:lol:
Look on youtube on her book signing and serbian crying hecklers, some like that..



Why should I like her, what good came out from that bombing that I should appreciate?

And btw, it's her decision that killed those Albanian civilians in columns twice and that depleted uranium ammunition was used in Kosovo. Those are your causalities, both in the past and in the present but it's your decision to remember or ignore.

Anyway, at least you can't blame us for increasing number of cancer deaths.

http://images.blatantworld.com/001_full_sized_image/map_of_1999_nato_depleted_uranium_bombings_in_koso vo_du.png

[dralos]

she knows how to handle those cockroaches

[Arbërori]

Why should I like her, what good came out from that bombing that I should appreciate?

And btw, it's her decision that killed those Albanian civilians in columns twice and that depleted uranium ammunition was used in Kosovo. Those are your causalities, both in the past and in the present but it's your decision to remember or ignore.

Anyway, at least you can't blame us for increasing number of cancer deaths.

Innocent Albanian (and Serbian) lives saved. :lol:

:picard2:

Cancer deaths? Any statistics on that? :wink

Long live Albright!

[Baluarte]

Bondsteel and all the American presence in Kosovo is mostly related to mineral reserves and the privileged position of the region as a transport zone of Caspian gas into Europe.

Of course it also had to do with the desire of the American thalassocracy to destroy Yugoslavia, a country that had managed for a few decades to distance itself both from NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Independence is not appreciated by our imperial masters.

[Arbërori]

Bondsteel and all the American presence in Kosovo is mostly related to mineral reserves and the privileged position of the region as a transport zone of Caspian gas into Europe.

Of course it also had to do with the desire of the American thalassocracy to destroy Yugoslavia, a country that had managed for a few decades to distance itself both from NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Independence is not appreciated by our imperial masters.

Would've made sense unless a) Yugoslavians didn't kill eachother and b) Serbs didn't kill Albanians.

[Baluarte]

The Americans don't truly care about Albanians.
That's why they don't mind Kosovo is a completely failed state with no economic viability, no serious police force, no working judiciary, a Prime Minister that should be in prison for his crimes (like Carla del Ponte rightfully pointed out in 2008), implicated to the core in smuggling of tobacco, drugs and prostitution.

However, they do care about the atomization of the Balkans. After the death of Tito, American money sent to separatist parties and ethnocentric propaganda were distributed across the country, from Slovenia to FYROM. Serbians, as the leader ethnicity of Yugoslavia, tried to keep the unity and reacted militarily to political aggression, but their efforts were thwarted by AtlantoZionism, of which Jewess Albright is a representative.

[Minesweeper]

Innocent Albanian (and Serbian) lives saved. :lol:

:picard2:

Cancer deaths? Any statistics on that? :wink

Long live Albright!

Yeah, long live Albright, she made Kosovo a land where only tertiary stage of economy works and where mafia controls the state. Bright future for you, when you were in Serbia at least you had good birth rates, now you don't have it anymore and we will see how Albright's dream will affect the young and emancipated population of Kosovo whose only dream is to leave a shithole they live in.

Look at Apricity, most of you(not all) live abroad and do not think about returning back. Logically, since you would be poor and unemployed unless you decide to try your luck in crime or have a good standing parents to support you.

[Arbërori]

Yeah, long live Albright, she made Kosovo a land where only tertiary stage of economy works and where mafia controls the state. Bright future for you, when you were in Serbia at least you had good birth rates, now you don't have it anymore and we will see how Albright's dream will affect the young and emancipated population of Kosovo whose only dream is to leave a shithole they live in.

Look at Apricity, most of you(not all) live abroad and do not think about returning back. Logically, since you would be poor and unemployed unless you decide to try your luck in crime or have a good standing parents to support you.

So somebody does care about Albanians afterall? :lol:
Mafia? :laugh: Nope, just a bunch of opportunists, this ain't a movie brah.

Yeah, because Serbia's birthrates are over the roof... :picard2: I'd rather be alive than a part of an ever changing birth rate census, but suit yourself. Life in Kosovo might not be ideal, but it's far better than it was in Serbia, so stop believing the lies you are told by your goverment.

Unemployed? All my relatives there are employed, either as policemen, teachers or agricultural workers (so Balkan, I know :lol:). You are comparing an ordinary life with the living Hell they had to go through Serbia, sorry, we don't like you and we don't want your rule back, you failed. :wink

[Minesweeper]

Hah, policeman, teacher and farmer, they rank so high on social scale and even Honduras has them but it's still a banana republic. xD

And I don't think that Kosovo Albanians think we are such a failure, Serbia can be a mother too, when necessary.

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/newsbriefs/2010/01/20/nb-04

http://www.balkantravellers.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1717

[Arbërori]

Hah, policeman, teacher and farmer, they rank so high on social scale and even Honduras has them but it's still a banana republic. xD

Head of the force, University teacher & one is on his way to become an agricultural mogul. Honduras hasn't done any crimes against humanity, I don't care how poor it is. Serbia isn't a Nordic paradise either. xD

[dralos]

they applied for those so they could move to eu and work bcs you got visa liberalisation

[Empecinado]

She and all the NATO herd attacked another country claiming internal affairs and creating the precedent of the "humanitarian interventions", something which was abolished since the Thirty Years War because of the terrible massacres that occurred and that almost depopulated Germany. Since then, internal affairs of each country were solved without external interference, considering such interventions as acts of piracy.

The rupture of this principle is returning us to the darkest times of the European religion wars. We saw it recently in Lybia.

[Loki]

Of course it also had to do with the desire of the American thalassocracy to destroy Yugoslavia, a country that had managed for a few decades to distance itself both from NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Independence is not appreciated by our imperial masters.

The fall of Yugoslavia came because of the rise of nationalism on the Balkans - had nothing to do with the US.

[Arbërori]

She and all the NATO herd attacked another country claiming internal affairs and creating the precedent of the "humanitarian interventions", something which was abolished since the Thirty Years War because of the terrible massacres that occurred and that almost depopulated Germany. Since then, internal affairs of each country were solved without external interference, considering such interventions as acts of piracy.

The rupture of this principle is returning us to the darkest times of the European religion wars. We saw it recently in Lybia.

Their internal affairs were the ones killing innocent people, so your argument is invalid.

[Arbërori]

The fall of Yugoslavia came because of the rise of nationalism on the Balkans - had nothing to do with the US.

After one is opressed, he's bound to fight back.

[Loki]

She and all the NATO herd attacked another country claiming internal affairs and creating the precedent of the "humanitarian interventions", something which was abolished since the Thirty Years War because of the terrible massacres that occurred and that almost depopulated Germany. Since then, internal affairs of each country were solved without external interference, considering such interventions as acts of piracy.

The rupture of this principle is returning us to the darkest times of the European religion wars. We saw it recently in Lybia.

Dejavu? I remember you posting something along these lines before.

Anyway, do we want to witness another Thirty Years War, because we don't "interfere" by principal?

[dralos]

The fall of Yugoslavia came because of the rise of nationalism on the Balkans - had nothing to do with the US.
loki while under tito that burning nationalism was surpressed but immediately when he died it all went wrong bcs serbs wanted to get all the powers so i cant see how they were pushed by americans or milosevic the pig was an american agent :p

[Empecinado]

Their internal affairs were the ones killing innocent people, so your argument is invalid.

Yeah, and Hitler justified the invasion of Poland saying that there were killings of innocent German people...

All sides committed atrocities in that conflict, it is called war and is absolutely bad for everyone involved. With the exception that some did so with the support of the international community, and others did so alone.


Dejavu? I remember you posting something along these lines before.

Anyway, do we want to witness another Thirty Years War, because we don't "interfere" by principal?

Thirty Years War was caused by a intervention claiming internal affairs.

[Loki]

loki while under tito that burning nationalism was surpressed but immediately when he died it all went wrong bcs serbs wanted to get all the powers so i cant see how they were pushed by americans or milosevic the pig was an american agent :p

It's a shame there was no replacement for Tito. He sounded like a cool guy:

You are to undertake the most energetic measures to prevent at all costs any killing of prisoners of war and of those arrested by military units, state organs or individuals. If there are persons among the prisoners and arrestees who should answer for war crimes, they are to be handed over immediately to military courts pending due process.

—Josip Broz Tito, telegram of 14 May 1945 to the Partisan command in Slovenia

[Arbërori]

Yeah, and Hitler justified the invasion of Poland saying that there were killings of innocent German people...

All sides committed atrocities in that conflict, it is called war and is absolutely bad for everyone involved. With the exception that some did so with the support of the international community, and others did so alone.

Thank you for being a hypocrite. 1st of all, Hitler & Albright are like night and day (the later is Jewish, remember?), so all of your arguments are invalid.

If only there were powers strong enough to help the Polish people back then. The difference is that, Kosovo Albanians never killed Serbs en masse, so get that through your thick head and we'll be A-okay.

[dralos]

Yeah, and Hitler justified the invasion of Poland saying that there were killings of innocent German people...

All sides committed atrocities in that conflict, it is called war and is absolutely bad for everyone involved. With the exception that some did so with the support of the international community, and others did so alone.



Thirty Years War was caused by a intervention claiming internal affairs.
they got all the weapons how could we defend ourself without any weapons,,it would be like all of italy suddenly wants to attack milan for wanting to be independent,does that seem fair to you

[Baluarte]

The fall of Yugoslavia came because of the rise of nationalism on the Balkans - had nothing to do with the US.

What? o.O!!!!!!!!!!!

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The Breakup of Yugoslavia
Evangelos Mahairas



Beginning in 1990 Germany and the United States sought and achieved the breakup of Yugoslavia in two stages—1992-1995 and 1998-1999. The German government aimed at this division because it wanted to include as territory of its “vital interest” Slovenia and Croatia, the most economically developed states of the Yugoslavian confederation. These states were old allies in the Second World War (the Ustashi fascist group in Croatia and the nationalists in Slovenia). Through them Germany would achieve access to the Adriatic Sea.

The United States was interested in the more recently established states (Bosnia, Serbia, the former Socialist Republic of Macedonia), which controlled the only route from east to west and from north to south though the Balkan mountains. The Balkan area, along with Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey and the Arab nations, forms a European-Middle East bloc, which the United States wants to control (including the former states of the Soviet Union—Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan) for the complete exploitation of the great oil resources of the Caspian Sea.

Toward accomplishing this goal, one year before the dissolution of the Socialist Federation of Yugoslavia—specifically, on November 5, 1990—the Congress of the United States passed bill 101-513 concerning “appropriation of funds for operations abroad.” A paragraph in this bill specifically devoted to Yugoslavia initiated that country's dissolution. In a single order, completely without forewarning, the United States cut off all forms of credit and loans to Yugoslavia in the event that within six months separate elections did not take place in each state of the federation.

As a consequence, Yugoslavia—no longer able to conduct foreign trade—was condemned to commercial bankruptcy, which reinforced the divisive tendency of its states, especially that of the stronger. Another crucial reason for the split was a provision in the bill that states holding separate elections would receive direct economic aid (not channeled through the federation). A third provision stated that even if separate elections did not take place, the United States could (openly now, and in addition to actions of the CIA and other secret services) economically support “democratic” factions or movements by way of “emergency humanitarian aid and promotion of human rights.” Finally, a fourth provision obliged the American representatives in all international organizations such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, etc., to use their vote and influence to have their organizations apply the particulars of the bill.

The United States funded the states so as to dissolve the federation. The U.S. also supported parties and movements that would promote this process. Meanwhile, Germany shipped arms to Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and also trained “revolutionary corps” in special German camps to be sent into the states at the proper time to face federal forces.

In February 1991, on the initiative of Germany and with the support of countries decisively influenced by the U.S., like Great Britain, Italy and the Netherlands, the European Community backed the U.S. decision: If Yugoslavia did not announce multi-party elections, it would face economic isolation.

In the meantime, Croatian and Slovenian fascist associations in the U.S., Germany and Austria solicited money and arms, which they sent to the northern Yugoslavian states. In March of 1991, fascist organizations in Croatia demonstrated, calling for the overthrow of the socialist government and the expulsion of all Serbs from Croatia. On March 5, 1991, they attacked the federal army base at Gospic. Thus, civil war began.

On June 25, 1991, Slovenia and Croatia declared their independence. In Croatia the extreme right wing party, “Democratic Union,” seized power. This party used the flag, emblems, and slogans of the pro-Nazi Ustashi party. Citizenship, property rights, employment, retirement benefits and passports were granted only to Croats and to no other ethnic group. Thus, 300,000 Serbs who were under threat armed themselves.

Federal forces intervened in Slovenia, where units of the autonomous militia had taken over posts on the Italian, Austrian and Hungarian borders. At once, on Germany's initiative, the European Community threatened the federal government with economic sanctions and obliged it to withdraw its forces, given that within three months Slovenia and Croatia would undertake independence and participate in negotiations for a “peaceful solution.”

Of course the negotiations failed, and these two states, armed by Germany, officially declared their independence in October 1991. First Germany hastened to accord diplomatic recognition; then the other European countries and the USA, as well as the European Community in January 1992.

This recognition of independence reinforced the tendency to separation in Bosnia-Herzegovina. The Muslim party, headed by Aliya Izetbegovic, was in charge there. Its program was the establishment of theocratic Muslim rule and the expulsion of Serbs and Croats from Bosnia. Serbs were then thirty-one percent of the Bosnia population. Supported by Serbia and ethnic groups, they were prepared for conflict, ready to oppose whatever the European Community presented to Cyrus Vance from the USA and Lord Owen of the European Community as a “peace plan for Bosnia.”

In the meantime, the UN Security Council, with the approval of Motion Number 757/1992, established sanctions against the Yugoslavian Federation as responsible for civil war within its territory. In May 1992, the UN General Assembly granted membership to Slovenia and Croatia, and on September 22, 1992, it expelled the Yugoslavian Federation. The result of these acts was the cessation of operations by the Yugoslavian Army against Slovenia and Bosnia. The civil war, however, continued till 1995.

In 1993, American officers undertook training of the Croatian army, which was now armed by the United States. In return the U.S. received bases on the Croatian islands of the Adriatic. American officers also took on training the Bosnian army as well as directing operations against the Bosnian Serbs who were besieging Sarajevo. Finally, NATO intervened supporting Bosnia with bombing from 1993 to 1995. NATO’s pressure forced the Bosnian Serbs, who were also pressured by Milosevic, to accept the conducting of “peace negotiations” at Dayton, Ohio, where a neo-colonial agreement was drawn up involving two points—the establishment of a strong force of 60,000 NATO troops in Bosnia and the writing of the “Bosnian Constitution.”

According to this Constitution, Bosnia was made up of three democratic states—Muslim, Croat and Serbo-Bosnian—under the supreme authority of the Swedish official appointed by the UN Security Council, who had full executive powers in all matters and even the right to reject the decisions of the three local governments as well as to overrule the prime ministers and the appointed ministers. This supreme official would work in close cooperation with the Supreme Military Council as well as with various sources of funding or gifts. The Security Council, in turn, appointed an “Associate Director of Police” who would be under the head Director and would have a force of 1,700 policemen at his disposal.

The economic policies of the country would be controlled by the officers of Bretton Woods and the European Bank of Reconstruction and Development. The first Director of the Central Bank of the country was appointed by the International Monetary Fund. And neither he nor those succeeding him would be citizens of Bosnia or Herzegovina, or of a neighboring state.

On August 3, 1995, Croat forces supported by the U.S. and headed by an American general launched a decisive attack in Krajina, expelling 300,000 Serbs, killing 14,000 people, and burning tens of thousands of Serbian homes as well as Orthodox churches and monasteries.

THE ROLE OF NATO

According to a statement of the Pentagon published in the New York Times on March 8, 1992, “The first aim [of the United States] is to block the appearance of a new adversary. … First, the U.S. must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests. … Finally, we must also maintain the necessary means to overthrow potential adversaries, ambitious to attain a broader local or global role.” In Europe, specifically, this plan foresees that: “It is of fundamental importance to preserve NATO as the primary instrument of Western defense and security as well as a channel of exercising American influence and its participation in issues of European security. … We must seek to prevent the emergence of European-only security arrangements which would undermine NATO.”

Applying these views, the United States torpedoed the European Community’s proposals for the peaceful solution of the Bosnian problem (the Vance-Owen plan of 1992 and the Vance-Stolemberg plan of 1993) in order to impose its own plan (the Dayton Agreement).

In the meantime, bases were established in Albania, the former Socialist Republic of Macedonia and Hungary, and NATO aimed to extend its sphere to the socialist countries of Eastern Europe and the Baltic states, for the full encirclement of Russia and the access of the United States to the Caspian Sea. According to American journalists, the Danube is more important for Europe than the Mississippi is for commerce in the United States. Thus, all the countries in the Danube valley must be brought under the NATO umbrella and thereby under the influence (and exploitation) of the USA.

This is the reason that, although the Yugoslavian Federation had essentially broken up in 1995 (Serbia and Montenegro alone remained in the federation), any peaceful settlement in Bosnia was excluded and NATO intervention took place, resulting in the total success of American plans for its dominance in the Balkans. The Serbian opposition persisted, however. It had to be eliminated.

For this purpose the United States, Germany, Austria and other countries armed ethnic Albanian groups. In Kosovo and southern Serbia units of the “Kosovo Liberation Army” (UCK are the initials in Albanian) had been forming with uniforms and arms provided by the U.S. Army, funded by the CIA as well as international aid. A continuous flow of arms and military supplies came from Germany.

Because these units were not strong enough to defeat the Serbian forces, the Western forces developed unprecedented propaganda concerning supposed genocide against the Albanians in the Kosovo area. They finally decided on direct NATO intervention with horrendous aerial bombardment (31,000 bombs, ammunition with depleted uranium), which forced Serbia to submit.

Western propaganda, as it had been throughout the Bosnian civil war, was as effective as the depleted uranium weapons. There were daily reports in all the mass media against Serbia, involving, for example, the bomb that exploded in a Sarajevo market (which finally proved to be an act of provocation to invite NATO intervention). Their accusations of the rape of Muslim women, which from the fall of 1992 to the spring of 1993 scandalized western news broadcasts citing figures of 100,000, but finally with research reduced significantly to 40,000, later to 4,000 and finally to only seven women who testified to being victims.

These false or exaggerated reports provoked widespread outrage in western public opinion and among blindfolded “human welfare organizations,” which saw criminal acts only on the part of Bosnian Serbs. The Muslims and Croat militaries were presented as angelic in behavior, even though they executed unarmed Serbs, raped women, and burned homes, churches and monasteries. It is significant that in the Special Tribunal formed to judge war crimes in Bosnia, sixty Serbs were indicted but only six Bosnians and Croats.

In turn, regarding Kosovo the Western media reported that the Serbs expelled 300,000 ethnic Albanians, committed mass killings of unarmed citizens and all sorts of atrocities. Finally it was shown that prior to the NATO bombings only some 20,000 to 25,000 people had taken refuge in Albania and the former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia. After the onset of the bombing more than 250,000 ethnic Albanians had fled to save themselves from the bombs. As for genocide, the “mass graves” about which there were daily references in the Western media were never found.

To be sure, there was the atrocity of Srebrenica, but on the opposing side there were the atrocities of Bihac and Krajina, about which not a word appeared in the Western press, just as there were no references either during the course of its militia action or after the bombing to the crimes of the UCK against Serbs and other ethnic groups in Kosovo, which the UCK called “police duties”! These actions put into effect the total removal of Serbs, Gypsies, Turks and Jews from Kosovo through killings, burning of villages, churches and monasteries, and unprecedented terrorism.

But for the UCK there, “purification of Kosovo” was not enough. Its action was extended to the area of Presovo (southern Serbia), though without success, since there the UCK faced the Serbian army, and to the former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia. There of course the UCK would disband with the complete cooperation of NATO, the USA and the European Community. The problem was whether the UCK would stop there or extend its action. That depended on the U.S. agenda for the region. The UCK could have been used as a means of exerting pressure on Greece to compromise on the issues of Cyprus and the Aegean Sea. Greece's allies had been habitually involved in such “friendly” actions from the time of the establishment of modern Greece up to today.

THE ROLE OF THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL

For the illegal (criminal) acts of NATO in Yugoslavia, enormous responsibilities are borne by the United Nations Security Council, which violated virtually all the regulations of Articles 44-50 of the UN Charter. According to Article 46 of the Charter, plans to use armed force will depend on the Security Council in consultation with the Committee of the Military Council of Article 47. This power is not relegated to NATO or “any other” military alliance. The Military Council of the UN would never permit the use of bombs with depleted uranium or bombing of unarmed civilians, schools, nurseries, hospitals and churches, as NATO did in Yugoslavia.

Moreover, the Security Council established the ad hoc International Tribunal to judge war crimes in Bosnia and Kosovo. But the UN Charter nowhere provides the right to establish such a court. Article 92 founded the International Court based in The Hague. Its members are elected by the General Assembly and the Security Council from a list of the permanent Administrative Court that was founded by The Hague agreement of 1907.

This Administrative Court can assemble a unit that can render judgments concerning a particular issue, in agreement, however, with regulations (Article 26, par. 3, of its charter). The expenses of this court would be covered by the UN in a manner determined by the General Assembly.

Thus, the Security Council does not have the right to establish an ad hoc court. That Court is illegal. It is a court of expediency and its mission was to serve the political purposes of the powers that supported its establishment. It is significant that its expenses are covered not by the United Nations but by “benefactors” from the U.S., from multi-national corporations and entrepreneurs like George Soros! The manner of establishment and funding also belies its manner of functioning.

Milosevic’s abduction in violation of the Constitution and justice system of Yugoslavia was the first step. The justice system would be completely put to shame in what followed. However, the greatest crime of the U.S. and its followers (Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy) was the debasing of the UN. The next step will be its dissolution. For the hopes of the peoples as expressed in the prologue of its charter are not in agreement with the imperialist “New World Order.”

“We the Peoples of the United Nations, determined to save coming generations from the scourge of war, which twice during our time brought insufferable pain to mankind; once more proclaiming our belief in human rights, in human dignity and worth, in equal rights of men and women and large and small nations, we unite our efforts to achieve these goals.”

The imperialists, however, desire global rule and not the equality of small and large nations. They wish to impose their will with war using bombardment and any other criminal means (Vietnam, the Gulf War, Bosnia, Yugoslavia and later). From their position in the UN they license NATO as the supreme arbiter of all international crises over the length and breadth of the earth, though it is not an international organization but a military alliance of Western forces.

EVANGELOS MAHAIRAS was president of the Association of Athens Lawyers (Bar Association) Athens from 1981-1984, honorary president since 1985, elected in 1986 president of the Greek Peace Movement and in 1990 president of the World Peace Council. He is a fighter for peace, human rights and the environment.

The book HIDDEN ADENDA, U.S./NATO TAKEOVER OF YUGOSLAVIA, from which this piece is excerpted, is available for purchase online from www.leftbooks.com.

[Arbërori]

Just reading the number of women (which is hugely under-represented) was enough for me to stop reading that trash. Basically, Serbs butchered women and children, who cares about either money or oil in such cases?

Don't make a fool out of yourself.

[Sarmatian]

The fall of Yugoslavia came because of the rise of nationalism on the Balkans - had nothing to do with the US.

Are you sure about it? As history tells us wherever we see rise of nationalism there are more often than not some external forces fuelling the process intensively for financial or political gain.

[Empecinado]

Thank you for being a hypocrite. 1st of all, Hitler & Albright are like night and day (the later is Jewish, remember?), so all of your arguments are invalid.

If only there were powers strong enough to help the Polish people back then. The difference is that, Kosovo Albanians never killed Serbs en masse, so get that through your thick head and we'll be A-okay.

Hitler and Albright did exactly the same...invading a country justifying its action claiming intervene to stop the killings of innocent people. The only difference I see is that the first lost the war and then is the devil, and the second didn't, so is the good of the film.

This was a war, and like in ALL wars, all sides commit crimes, and not only Serbs, UÇK did too.

[Loki]

Are you sure about it? As history tells us wherever we see rise of nationalism there are more often than not some external forces fuelling the process intensively for financial or political gain.

I don't know where you get that idea, and how it reflects the Balkan.

And yes I'm pretty sure about that.

[Arbërori]

Are you sure about it? As history tells us wherever we see rise of nationalism there are more often than not some external forces fuelling the process intensively for financial or political gain.

Imagine Mongolians opressing you to the point you weren't even allowed to speak about your Russian descent. And then, some nutjobs and soldiers going on a killing spree of innocent men, women and children around Russia. So the international community decides to help and fight back for Russians. Is that wrong?

[Loki]

The book HIDDEN ADENDA, U.S./NATO TAKEOVER OF YUGOSLAVIA, from which this piece is excerpted, is available for purchase online from www.leftbooks.com.

Can you please quote respectable sources, instead of offering me your usual conspiracy theory?

[Arbërori]

Hitler and Albright did exactly the same...invading a country justifying its action claiming intervene to stop the killings of innocent people. The only difference I see is that the first lost the war and then is the devil, and the second didn't, so is the good of the film.

This was a war, and like in ALL wars, all sides commit crimes, and not only Serbs, UÇK did too.

So innocent people were not killed? Thank you for disregarding innocent Albanian lives, you seem to be a Serbophile, so suit yourself.

Did the UCK start the war? :lol: Did the UCK rape women? Did the UCK kill people? Did the UCK rob people? The list goes on and on...

[Minesweeper]

Thank you for being a hypocrite. 1st of all, Hitler & Albright are like night and day (the later is Jewish, remember?), so all of your arguments are invalid.

If only there were powers strong enough to help the Polish people back then. The difference is that, Kosovo Albanians never killed Serbs en masse, so get that through your thick head and we'll be A-okay.

You did, in Orahovac in July 1998. when 47 civilians were killed and many more kidnapped and never found.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/rs/article/belgrade-remembers-victims-from-orahovac

You should also know that army and police didn't took large scale offensive actions prior to that event and that occupation of Orahovac was a drop that that overflowed the glass. But ofc, you have no idea about that event, instead your arguments are based on what you heard on TV.


This is why Kosovo war was an internal affair, we were dealing with the dangerous terrorist group that occupied villages and smaller towns and kidnapped and executed non-Albanian civilians.




Did the UCK start the war? :lol: Did the UCK rape women? Did the UCK kill people? Did the UCK rob people? The list goes on and on...

Yes, UCK did start the war, UCK did rape women, UCK did killed people, UCK did robbed people and their properties, UCK did participated in other criminal actions, UCK was financed with dirty drug and human trafficking money, etc. list goes on and on.

[Queen B]

Humanitarian my-ass.
US should stop interfere in other countries' internal business, or if they are going to interfere, to do it everywhere, and support the right one.

Why USA don't do anything about the genocide Israelis do against Palestinians?
Why they didn't interfere in the Sudanese war or in Burma but they did in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?

[Han Cholo]

Imagine Mongolians opressing you to the point you weren't even allowed to speak about your Russian descent. And then, some nutjobs and soldiers going on a killing spree of innocent men, women and children around Russia. So the international community decides to help and fight back for Russians. Is that wrong?

I don't think he's denying it. But if you think that there were no other interests, hidden manipulation from foreign forces, economically expansionist policies, etc. you are seeing only 50% of what is there, if not less.

As Loki said, Balkan nationalism has undeniably always existed, but to deny foreign powers have taken advantage of this is just defying the solid evidence. Places where there are ethnic, religious, political or whatever minorities are carrion ground for imperialistic powers' agendas. It has happened to consistently over history to assume this is just "humanitarian help". You can't possibly be this ingenuous.

[Arbërori]

You did, in Orahovac in July 1998. when 47 civilians were killed and many more kidnapped and never found.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/rs/article/belgrade-remembers-victims-from-orahovac

You should also know that army and police didn't took large scale offensive actions prior to that event and that occupation of Orahovac was a drop that that overflowed the glass. But ofc, you have no idea about that event.

This is why Kosovo war was an internal affair, we were dealing with the dangerous terrorist group that occupied villages and smaller towns and kidnapped and executed non-Albanian civilians.

47 compared to thousands, good show mate. :lol:

Yes and you do know everything, I'm sorry I questioned your royal Serbness.

Oh really? Or was it the State executing innocent people? :wink

[Baluarte]

Just reading the number of women (which is hugely under-represented) was enough for me to stop reading that trash. Basically, Serbs butchered women and children, who cares about either money or oil in such cases?

Don't make a fool out of yourself.

xD

You really don't know how global powers think :)

[dralos]

Humanitarian my-ass.
US should stop interfere in other countries' internal business, or if they are going to interfere, to do it everywhere, and support the right one.

Why USA don't do anything about the genocide Israelis do against Palestinians?
Why they didn't interfere in the Sudanese war or in Burma but they did in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?
you didnt complain when the west pumped money to save your sorry-asses

[Arbërori]

Humanitarian my-ass.
US should stop interfere in other countries' internal business, or if they are going to interfere, to do it everywhere, and support the right one.

Why USA don't do anything about the genocide Israelis do against Palestinians?
Why they didn't interfere in the Sudanese war or in Burma but they did in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?

Were people not killed? An internal affair in which the killings of innocents are included, is that not what the Kosovo War was about?

If the Greek state was unable to help you during such a horrible ordeal, would you not want help from the outside?

And that my dear, I don't agree with aswell.

[Queen B]

you didnt complain when the west pumped money to save your sorry-asses
How is this relevant, Einstein? :picard1::picard1::picard1:

[Baluarte]

Can you please quote respectable sources, instead of offering me your usual conspiracy theory?

EVANGELOS MAHAIRAS was president of the Association of Athens Lawyers (Bar Association) Athens from 1981-1984, honorary president since 1985, elected in 1986 president of the Greek Peace Movement and in 1990 president of the World Peace Council. He is a fighter for peace, human rights and the environment.

leftbooks is also not a fringe conspiracionist editor house.

If you don't want to read anything other than the offical truth, then it's entirely your decision but don't belittle people who studied the conflict and offer a detailed analysis of it.

[dralos]

How is this relevant, Einstein? :picard1::picard1::picard1:
it is since the west interferes in both cases while the one case is good for you so you dont complain while the other is bad for your serbian brothers so you complain

[Arbërori]

I don't think he's denying it. But if you think that there were no other interests, hidden manipulation from foreign forces, economically expansionist policies, etc. you are seeing only 50% of what is there, if not less.

As Loki said, Balkan nationalism has undeniably always existed, but to deny foreign powers have taken advantage of this is just defying the solid evidence.

50 %? More like 2 % at max. If the Kosovo war didn't occur, then why would they bomb Serbia? Out of unexisting spite? I believe they have their own problems to worry about.

Nationalism occured after innocent people were killed. Imagine the US shooting on Mexican women and children in the Southern part of the country, would you say it's ''A-okay, do it, it's in your country anyways?'' :wink

[Loki]

Humanitarian my-ass.
US should stop interfere in other countries' internal business, or if they are going to interfere, to do it everywhere, and support the right one.

Why USA don't do anything about the genocide Israelis do against Palestinians?
Why they didn't interfere in the Sudanese war or in Burma but they did in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan?

Shouldn't we be glad that they did in this case, anyway? As it saved many thousands of lives probably, and preventing another Bosnia from developing. We've learnt ... at last.

[dralos]

EVANGELOS MAHAIRAS was president of the Association of Athens Lawyers (Bar Association) Athens from 1981-1984, honorary president since 1985, elected in 1986 president of the Greek Peace Movement and in 1990 president of the World Peace Council. He is a fighter for peace, human rights and the environment.

leftbooks is also not a fringe conspiracionist editor house.

If you don't want to read anything other than the offical truth, then it's entirely your decision but don't belittle people who studied the conflict and offer a detailed analysis of it.
a greek will never write good about alboz and talk bad about serbs and btw greeks are known to point at the west for all the problems

[Arbërori]

EVANGELOS MAHAIRAS was president of the Association of Athens Lawyers (Bar Association) Athens from 1981-1984, honorary president since 1985, elected in 1986 president of the Greek Peace Movement and in 1990 president of the World Peace Council. He is a fighter for peace, human rights and the environment.

leftbooks is also not a fringe conspiracionist editor house.

If you don't want to read anything other than the offical truth, then it's entirely your decision but don't belittle people who studied the conflict and offer a detailed analysis of it.

Yeah yeah, basically ''Albanians deserved to be killed''. Whatever, don't accuse people of belittling criminals or such written trash, which doesn't even fit into tabloids.

[Loki]

EVANGELOS MAHAIRAS was president of the Association of Athens Lawyers (Bar Association) Athens from 1981-1984, honorary president since 1985, elected in 1986 president of the Greek Peace Movement and in 1990 president of the World Peace Council. He is a fighter for peace, human rights and the environment.

leftbooks is also not a fringe conspiracionist editor house.

If you don't want to read anything other than the offical truth, then it's entirely your decision but don't belittle people who studied the conflict and offer a detailed analysis of it.

A Greek author, about Serbia? ;) We already know where his bias will lie.

[Han Cholo]

50 %? More like 2 % at max. If the Kosovo war didn't occur, then why would they bomb Serbia? Out of unexisting spite? I believe they have their own problems to worry about.

They would eventually have found another excuse.



Nationalism occured after innocent people were killed. Imagine the US shooting on Mexican women and children in the Southern part of the country, would you say it's ''A-okay, do it, it's in your country anyways?'' :wink

Not comparable. USA is the power and Mexico is under that power, as is most of Latin America (or at least are in friendly or neutral terms save Venezuela and Cuba.) Serbia defied that power and got bombed, just like Lybia got bombed, and like Syria is getting bombed now by NATO supported rebels. If Mexico defies that power some day, Mexico gets bombed like Serbia, Lybia, Syria and Mexican women and children will die like Serbian women and children died, and like Albanian women and children will die if you ever try to defy that power in the future.

[Baluarte]

Meh, what's the point.
No matter how many authors, numbers and analysis are you give, people will just stick with their own pre-acquired judgement.

Why come to a forum if you don't want to listen to people and just stay fix in your opinions?

I'm out.

Once I'm done reading my book "Balkans, un éclatement programmé", I'll maybe post a summary for those that want to read it.

[Minesweeper]

47 compared to thousands, good show mate. :lol:

Yes and you do know everything, I'm sorry I questioned your royal Serbness.

Oh really? Or was it the State executing innocent people? :wink


You said UCK didn't killed anyone few post before, while we see that they came out of the forests and randomly executed and kidnapped non-albanians all around Kosovo. It was UCK that fired the first shot in 1996 and first one to attack civilian population.

And how are we supposed to fight back, with word and flowers?

Albanians are champions of hypocrisy. They act like savages and later whine to the whole world about war crimes committed on them.

[Queen B]

it is since the west interferes in both cases while the one case is good for you so you dont complain while the other is bad for your serbian brothers so you complain
Dralos, your IQ must be zero, it seems.

The one is military intervetion, the other is a LOAN. Economy and military. Dollars and deplated uranium bombs.Deaths and banks. Graves and loan interests.
If you can't learn the difference, then there must be something really wrong with you.
The one is support to a political ally (EU,Nato), the other is bombing the hell out of every country that doesn't serve their benefits. You think that US interfered because of their good souls ? Then why they don't help Burmanese and Sudanese?
The only common in both cases that is done for their own benefit and not becaue of humanitarian help.

[Loki]

Meh, what's the point.
No matter how many authors, numbers and analysis are you give, people will just stick with their own pre-acquired judgement.

Why come to a forum if you don't want to listen to people and just stay fix in your opinions?

I'm out.

Once I'm done reading my book "Balkans, un éclatement programmé", I'll maybe post a summary for those that want to read it.

So if we don't agree with your opinions the fun is spoiled?

[Baluarte]

A Greek author, about Serbia? ;) We already know where his bias will lie.

I'm currently reading this book, only avaiable in French at the moment, published by French authors:

http://media.paperblog.fr/i/584/5849621/alexis-gilles-troude-balkans-eclatement-progr-L-62KA9L.jpeg

They also try to portrait the truth that has been hidden due to the manipulation of the Western media.
They are neither "conspiracionists" (whatever that may be) nor amateurs.


Here is a summary:
http://salon-litteraire.com/fr/politique/review/1802191-alexis-gilles-troude-balkans-un-eclatement-programme

[Arbërori]

They would eventually have found another excuse.

Such as? Oh no, an Albanian threw an ice cream cone to another Serb, anarchy! :picard2:


Not comparable. USA is the power and Mexico is under that power, as is most of Latin America (or at least are in friendly or neutral terms save Venezuela and Cuba.) If Mexico defies that power some day, Mexico gets bombed like Serbia and Mexican women and children will die like Serbian women and children died, and like Albanian women and children will die if you ever try to defy that power in the future.

Wow, did you just re-read what you wrote? In this case, it was USA = Serbia, Kosovo Albanians = Mexico. Your analogy is completely wrong, sorry.

[Empecinado]

So innocent people were not killed? Thank you for disregarding innocent Albanian lives, you seem to be a Serbophile, so suit yourself.

Where I've said that innocent people were not killed?? I said exactly the opposite, that all sides (Serbs too) killed innocent people. And I'm not a Serbophile, I'm anti-NATO and it terrorist policy, I recognize that Serbs killed innocent people, but the others too.


Did the UCK start the war? :lol: Did the UCK rape women? Did the UCK kill people? Did the UCK rob people? The list goes on and on...

According Human Rights Watch:


The KLA was responsible for serious abuses… including abductions and murders of Serbs and ethnic Albanians considered collaborators with the state. Elements of the KLA are also responsible for post-conflict attacks on Serbs, Roma, and other non-Albanians, as well as ethnic Albanian political rivals... widespread and systematic burning and looting of homes belonging to Serbs, Roma, and other minorities and the destruction of Orthodox churches and monasteries... combined with harassment and intimidation designed to force people from their homes and communities... elements of the KLA are clearly responsible for many of these crimes.

[Loki]

You think that US interfered because of their good souls ? Then why they don't help Burmanese and Sudanese?


It must be an act of God then. That the civilians in that part of the world got spared by intervention.

[Hoca]

NATO did the right thing but she shouldn't have said this for diplomatic reasons.


It must be an act of God then. That the civilians in that part of the world got spared by intervention.


It is amazing how cruel certain people are, isn't it? They rather see whole peoples perish rather than jeopardizing self-interest.

[Arbërori]

Meh, what's the point.
No matter how many authors, numbers and analysis are you give, people will just stick with their own pre-acquired judgement.

Why come to a forum if you don't want to listen to people and just stay fix in your opinions?

I'm out.

Once I'm done reading my book "Balkans, un éclatement programmé", I'll maybe post a summary for those that want to read it.

I'd rather stick to reality than literature. Innocent people were killed, end of discussion.

[Queen B]

A Greek author, about Serbia? ;) We already know where his bias will lie.
Never trust a communist :rolleyes:

[dralos]

Dralos, your IQ must be zero, it seems.

The one is military intervetion, the other is a LOAN. Economy and military. Dollars and deplated uranium bombs.Deaths and banks. Graves and loan interests.
If you can't learn the difference, then there must be something really wrong with you.
The one is support to a political ally (EU,Nato), the other is bombing the hell out of every country that doesn't serve their benefits. You think that US interfered because of their good souls ? Then why they don't help Burmanese and Sudanese?
The only common in both cases that is done for their own benefit and not becaue of humanitarian help.
but the difference is since you say its done for their own benefit while you dont say we dont want german money goaway germans,you shouldnt have supported us all this years and made us a rich country but you didnt and stood still while absorbing all those money
i think its you with the low iq bcs those graves would have belonged to albanian civiliains not serb ones and i dont like that like you wont like to see greeks starving if west didnt give you money so in the end it both seems as same situation since the ones helps people from dieing bcs of serbian savargery while the other helps greeks from dieing from their own laziness

[Arbërori]

You said UCK didn't killed anyone few post before, while we see that they came out of the forests and randomly executed and kidnapped non-albanians all around Kosovo. It was UCK that fired the first shot in 1996 and first one to attack civilian population.

And how are we supposed to fight back, with word and flowers?

Albanians are champions of hypocrisy. They act like savages and later whine to the whole world about war crimes committed on them.

So now the rest of the civilians should be killed aswell? If it was so, then they should've been taken to court & trialed. Let's not forget the Bar Massacre aswell, around 2000-4000 young men slaughtered in cold blood.

The problem here, Serb boy, is that the crimes did take place & were commited. :picard2:

[Loki]

They are neither "conspiracionists" (whatever that may be) nor amateurs.


Why is it not mainstream then? That's the thing. Instead of discussing actual history, you prefer to cling to unofficial versions. In every official thing you see some sort of Jewish conspiracy, or related.

[Arbërori]

Dralos, your IQ must be zero, it seems.

The one is military intervetion, the other is a LOAN. Economy and military. Dollars and deplated uranium bombs.Deaths and banks. Graves and loan interests.
If you can't learn the difference, then there must be something really wrong with you.
The one is support to a political ally (EU,Nato), the other is bombing the hell out of every country that doesn't serve their benefits. You think that US interfered because of their good souls ? Then why they don't help Burmanese and Sudanese?
The only common in both cases that is done for their own benefit and not becaue of humanitarian help.

Totally disregard human lives then? Pathetic.

[Baluarte]

Where I've said that innocent people were not killed?? I said exactly the opposite, that all sides (Serbs too) killed innocent people. And I'm not a Serbophile, I'm anti-NATO and it terrorist policy, I recognize that Serbs killed innocent people, but the others too.


^^ My exact same opposition. I have some sympathy for the Serbs as an anti-NATO, fierce Eastern Orthodox people, but I'm not a Serbophile either

[Permafrost]

Are you sure about it? As history tells us wherever we see rise of nationalism there are more often than not some external forces fuelling the process intensively for financial or political gain.

No, Yugoslavia dissolved because it was a pathetic and miserable failure of a country, moreso economically speaking, as it was utterly dependent on western loans. Things got worse during the 80'ies, the currency was devalued, wages dropped etc. and this obviously created the fertile soil for antagonism to thrive. We know what happened next.

Although no doubt you would see some parallelism between the fall of Yugoslavia and your beloved Soviet Union, obviously it was the masterplan of the evil western powers :)

Calling the bombing of Belgrade as something 'humanitarian' though is equally absurd, as we all know that both the United States and Nato do not run a charity organization.

[Arbërori]

Where I've said that innocent people were not killed?? I said exactly the opposite, that all sides (Serbs too) killed innocent people. And I'm not a Serbophile, I'm anti-NATO and it terrorist policy, I recognize that Serbs killed innocent people, but the others too.

47 rumoured civilians can't compare to thousands, sorry. :wink


According Human Rights Watch:

Not KLA, but individuals. The KLA are heroes & freedom fighters. :)

[Baluarte]

Why is it not mainstream then? That's the thing. Instead of discussing actual history, you prefer to cling to unofficial versions. In every official thing you see some sort of Jewish conspiracy, or related.

Other than pointing out that Albright was Jewish, I've only spoken about Atlanticist intervention, their motivations and their strategy.
That's about it.

[Arbërori]

NATO did the right thing but she shouldn't have said this for diplomatic reasons.

It is amazing how cruel certain people are, isn't it? They rather see whole peoples perish rather than jeopardizing self-interest.

For once, I agree with you! Shocking, isn't it? :eek: :P

[Empecinado]

I don't think he's denying it. But if you think that there were no other interests, hidden manipulation from foreign forces, economically expansionist policies, etc. you are seeing only 50% of what is there, if not less.

As Loki said, Balkan nationalism has undeniably always existed, but to deny foreign powers have taken advantage of this is just defying the solid evidence. Places where there are ethnic, religious, political or whatever minorities are carrion ground for imperialistic powers' agendas. It has happened to consistently over history to assume this is just "humanitarian help". You can't possibly be this ingenuous.


France, Germany, UK and USA supported the separatists, especially Croats, to dismantle an uncomfortable state which belonged, along with other uncomfortable States, to the Non-Aligned Movement.

[Han Cholo]

Such as? Oh no, an Albanian threw an ice cream cone to another Serb, anarchy! :picard2:



Wow, did you just re-read what you wrote? In this case, it was USA = Serbia, Kosovo Albanians = Mexico. Your analogy is completely wrong, sorry.

Excuse me as this is completely offtopic, but your lack of analytic thinking has lead me to ask you how high is your IQ?

[Arbërori]

Other than pointing out that Albright was Jewish, I've only spoken about Atlanticist intervention, their motivations and their strategy.
That's about it.

What is your opinion on the innocent civilians killed?

[Arbërori]

Excuse me for asking you this but how high is your IQ?

:picard2: So basically, the US helped Albanians & etc., because we appareantly have some natural resources which would come to use for them? Frankly, they can do whatevery they like with our natural resources, they are our heroes aswell & we will appreciate their humanitarian intervention for as long as humanity exists. :)

[Baluarte]

What is your opinion on the innocent civilians killed?

The same as it has always been for any kind of civilian killed in any war: It's a terrible thing that should be avoided as much as possible.

[Arbërori]

The same as it has always been for any kind of civilian killed in any war: It's a terrible thing that should be avoided as much as possible.

And stopped and punished? :wink

[Baluarte]

:picard2: So basically, the US helped Albanians & etc., because we appareantly have some natural resources which would come to use for them? Frankly, they can do whatevery they like with our natural resources, they are our heroes aswell & we will appreciate their humanitarian intervention for as long as humanity exists. :)


Eternal submission to the Atlanticism.

http://www.soulation.org/freeatlast/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/shame.png

Thanks for showing your true face though.

[Han Cholo]

:picard2: So basically, the US helped Albanians & etc., because we appareantly have some natural resources which would come to use for them? Frankly, they can do whatevery they like with our natural resources, they are our heroes aswell & we will appreciate their humanitarian intervention for as long as humanity exists. :)

This explains your lack of deep analysis in such situations. I do not need to say more.

[Arbërori]

This explains your lack of deep analysis in such situations. I do not need to say more.

Sorry, I choose my people over natural resources, I don't know how it's done in Mexico, but here, every life counts.

[Empecinado]

47 rumoured civilians can't compare to thousands, sorry. :wink


47?? One thousand at least, according Human Right Watch.

[Arbërori]

Eternal submission to the Atlanticism.

Thanks for showing your true face though.

What a cute nun. Why, you mad Colombians can't stop killing eachother for drugs & become civilized once and for all? Don't blame that on innocents.

[Queen B]

but the difference is since you say its done for their own benefit while you dont say we dont want german money goaway germans,you shouldnt have supported us all this years and made us a rich country but you didnt and stood still while absorbing all those money

That's what EU was build for, genious. Its a Union we are part of.
Countries did contribute in that, and benefit from it. Not only Greece got money, all countries did and all countries gave.
And sources of each country were used, for one way or another.
At the end, they are loans, not gifs.


i think its you with the low iq bcs those graves would have belonged to albanian civiliains not serb ones and i dont like that like you wont like to see greeks starving if west didnt give you money so in the end it both seems as same situation since the ones helps people from dieing bcs of serbian savargery while the other helps greeks from dieing from their own laziness
How much of shit in one paragraph (that doesn't even have panctuation).
First of all, Greece isn't in this situation because of lazyness.
2ndly, I doubt that Greeks (as: the people, not the goverment) is better with that loans. Its actually worst than it could be if we bankrupted.
3rd, These are loans, with great interest. More like loanshark business.
4th, I m not critisizing the reason of the war or the war itself, but the reasons behind US's interferance. :picard2:
3nd

[Loki]

Other than pointing out that Albright was Jewish, I've only spoken about Atlanticist intervention, their motivations and their strategy.
That's about it.

So you honestly think these Atlanticists are so powerful that they could get just what they want through subtle means? See how difficult it is for neighbours to get along in "Yugoslavia". It would be near impossible for the US to control all of them unconsciously.

[Arbërori]

47?? One thousand at least, according Human Right Watch.

Cetniks don't count.

[Arbërori]

So you honestly think these Atlanticists are so powerful that they could get just what they want through subtle means? See how difficult it is for neighbours to get along in "Yugoslavia". It would be near impossible for the US to control all of them unconsciously.

Ofcourse, it's everyone's but the Serb's fault innocent people got killed & a world superpower intervened. :picard2:

[Arbërori]

Twistedmind all up for the killings of innocent people, what a priest, what a priest. :lol:

[Baluarte]

So you honestly think these Atlanticists are so powerful that they could get just what they want through subtle means? See how difficult it is for neighbours to get along in "Yugoslavia". It would be near impossible for the US to control all of them unconsciously.

SouthEastern Europe has been a conflict prone area since World War I when the Allies crushed the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the multiethnic peace it has broadly (with some episodes of repression) achieved.

There is a natural lack of trust between neighbours that can be easily instrumentalized if you funnel money, propaganda and coercitive economic sanctions. All of which was done by NATO.

[Arbërori]

SouthEastern Europe has been a conflict prone area since World War I when the Allies crushed the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the multiethnic peace it has broadly (with some episodes of repression) achieved.

There is a natural lack of trust between neighbours that can be easily instrumentalized if you funnel money, propaganda and coercitive economic sanctions. All of which was done by NATO.

So now it's NATO's fault innocent people got attacked? Why, what great logic do you have. :lol:

[Han Cholo]

Sorry, I choose my people over natural resources, I don't know how it's done in Mexico, but here, every life counts.

This is not about what you choose :picard2: Imperial powers don't really care about the lifes that you have lost/may lose as long as it serves their interest. You might care, and I do as well, I would wish conflict in Balkans would have never existed. It's obvious you are not really as patriotic as you claim to be as you see USA as your heroes. And also, if you were the ones who had resources, and defied the USA, they would have bombed you instead.


So now it's NATO's fault innocent people got attacked? Why, what great logic do you have. :lol:

Sorry, but you're the one showing a "great logic" here being not able to view past "innocent people killed" while completely ignoring the intervention/manipulation of multiple foreign powers. USA has instigated ethnic conflicts and rebelions everywhere. You are just one more for them. You have Bill Clinton, George Bush streets, whereas USA doesn't have Skanderbeg streets.

[Minesweeper]

So now the rest of the civilians should be killed aswell? If it was so, then they should've been taken to court & trialed. Let's not forget the Bar Massacre aswell, around 2000-4000 young men slaughtered in cold blood.

The problem here, Serb boy, is that the crimes did take place & were commited. :picard2:

If you plant a bad seed, don't expect a good harvest. If you kick me first, don't complain after I beat you up. Simple as that.

The problem here, Albanian boy, is that you don't want to accept the fact that all this shit in Kosovo was caused by illegal KLA actions against police and civilians. Serbian war crimes that certainly happened, are different because they were done in retaliation which is in this case a mitigating circumstance.

[Arbërori]

This is not about what you choose :picard2: Imperial powers don't really care about the lifes that you have lost/may lose as long as it serves their interest. You might care, and I do as well, I would wish conflict in Balkans would have never existed. It's obvious you are not really as patriotic as you claim to be as you see USA as your heroes. And also, if you were the ones who had resources, and defied the USA, they would have bombed you instead.

You seem to ignore the fact it was the SERBS who attacked us, not vice-versa. I regard the KLA and survivors as my heroes, but also the US Americans.

For what you speak of, it's like saying, let's hope Kurds get massacred in order to prove a point, pathetic.

[Arbërori]

If you plant a bad seed, don't expect a good harvest. If you kick me first, don't complain because I beat you up. Simple as that. The problem her, Albanian boy, is that you don't want to accept the fact that all this shit in Kosovo was caused by illegal KLA actions against police and civilians. Serbian war crimes are different because they were done in retaliation which is in this case a mitigating circumstance.

You would beat up women, children and elders? Why am I not surprised?

Oh really? Then why have Albanians been killed even before the Kosovo War, such as the BAR MASSACRE for instance? Oh for the love of God, stop lying & accept the fact your compatriots did crimes comparable to those during WW2 on a minor scale.

[Empecinado]

Cetniks don't count.

That's the rhetoric of all terrorist groups, never consider innocent the people they kill, but enemies. ETA's supporters say the same, isn't new to me.

[Arbërori]

Sorry, but you're the one showing a "great logic" here being not able to view past "innocent people killed" while completely ignoring the intervention/manipulation of multiple foreign powers. USA has instigated ethnic conflicts and rebelions everywhere.

So now it's their fault the Serbs choose to kill innocent Albanian civilians? No offense, but you're dumber & more disrespectful than I thought. The US had nothing to do with Kosovo prior the Kosovo War. :wink

[Han Cholo]

You seem to ignore the fact it was the SERBS who attacked us, not vice-versa. I regard the KLA and survivors as my heroes, but also the US Americans.

For what you speak of, it's like saying, let's hope Kurds get massacred in order to prove a point, pathetic.

It does not matter who attacked who first. The point that USA has been fueling and taking advantage of such conflicts remains. You are the one who is dumber than I thought. If I was older I would say it's because you're "just turned legal" but I'm better than that.

[Baluarte]

Fine Arbërori, here's what you want to hear:

Kosovo's independence is a great, legitimate, just, righteous fact that is sanctioned by the international community, democracy and God's will.
Serbs deserved to be punished for being evil, sadistic, child-woman killing, satan worshipping monsters.

The future is bright and only good may come from Independent Kosovo, and the great Albanian people.


Pleased?
Now, I'll go back to my books, have a nice day.

[Queen B]

Totally disregard human lives then? Pathetic.
You don't get it either, do you?
I m judging the reason behinds US actions, not the war itself.

:picard2: So basically, the US helped Albanians & etc., because we appareantly have some natural resources which would come to use for them?
Or geopolitical position. :rolleyes:
The outcome probably might side with the ''greater good'' in some of cases, but the reason of their interfere, isn't the greater good, surely


Great powers don't care about civilians or the death of civilians. They don't care about the greater good either. They just serve what fits their book.
In gaza war 13 Israeli were killed, 3 of them civilians, and 1500 Palestinians , 1000 of them civilians, yet, they didn't support Palestinians, and they actually support Israelis and their expantionism.
They didn't do anything for Burmanese, where the long and ongoing war have costs the lives of many thousands.

Same goes for economic help, even in Greece for that matter. You think Germany's great interest is Greeks and the humanitarian help for them?

[Arbërori]

That's the rhetoric of all terrorist groups, never consider innocent the people they kill, but enemies. ETA's supporters say the same, isn't new to me.

Sorry, that's the truth. Even 2,000 civilians, which ofcourse hipothetically speaking, can't compare to the thousands of Albanian lives lost & hundreds of thousands of people being expelled from their homes, thank you very much. :)

[Philo]

Never heard of her. Besides I don't know much of the Balkan conflict(except for the obvious) so hard for me to comment.





Great powers don't care about civilians or the death of civilians. They don't care about the greater good either. They just serve what fits their book.
In gaza war 13 Israeli were killed, 3 of them civilians, and 1500 Palestinians , 1000 of them civilians, yet, they didn't support Palestinians, and they actually support Israelis and their expantionism.


That's because Hamas uses te few shelters in Gaza and leave the women and children to fend for themselves. And it works great for propaganda.

[Arbërori]

It does not matter who attacked who first. The point that USA has been fueling and taking advantage of such conflicts remains.

Not before but after the war, get your facts straight.

[Arbërori]

Fine Arbërori, here's what you want to hear:

Kosovo's independence is a great, legitimate, just, righteous fact that is sanctioned by the international community, democracy and God's will.
Serbs deserved to be punished for being evil, sadistic, child-woman killing, satan worshipping monsters.

The future is bright and only good may come from Independent Kosovo, and the great Albanian people.

Pleased?
Now, I'll go back to my books, have a nice day.

You are right, either if you're being sarcastic or not.

You do that, since you choose what to read and what to believe, unlike the rest of the world. :wink

[Han Cholo]

Not before but after the war, get your facts straight.

And this contradicts what I say how? The conflict happened, they took advantage of it. Helping you served to reach their interest just like helping "the innocent Lybian people abused by tyrant Gaddafi" helped them to reach the same interests.

[Arbërori]

You don't get it either, do you?
I m judging the reason behinds US actions, not the war itself.

They stopped the war and saved many innocent people by doing so, not only Albanian, but Bosniak & Gorani aswell.


Or geopolitical position. :rolleyes:
The outcome probably might side with the ''greater good'' in some of cases, but the reason of their interfere, isn't the greater good, surely

I get your point, the US hasn't been honest in all of what it has done, but their interference in Kosovo was a good deed, stop demeaning it. :wink


Great powers don't care about civilians or the death of civilians. They don't care about the greater good either. They just serve what fits their book.
In gaza war 13 Israeli were killed, 3 of them civilians, and 1500 Palestinians , 1000 of them civilians, yet, they didn't support Palestinians, and they actually support Israelis and their expantionism.
They didn't do anything for Burmanese, where the long and ongoing war have costs the lives of many thousands.

Same goes for economic help, even in Greece for that matter. You think Germany's great interest is Greeks and the humanitarian help for them?

I do support the Palestinian people, so your issue is with the US, not me. What your saying is basically the US shouldn't have intervened?

[Arbërori]

And this contradicts what I say how? The conflict happened, they took advantage of it. Helping you served to reach their interest just like helping "the innocent Lybian people abused by tyrant Gaddafi" helped them to reach the same interests.

You can't compare Libya with Kosovo, that one is an internal affair not Kosovo. In this case, Serbs = Turks, Kosovo Albanians = Kurds. That's all there is to it, I don't care about your personal opinion on the US.

[Minesweeper]

You would beat up women, children and elders? Why am I not surprised?

Oh really? Then why have Albanians been killed even before the Kosovo War, such as the BAR MASSACRE for instance? Oh for the love of God, stop lying & accept the fact your compatriots did crimes comparable to those during WW2 on a minor scale.

Blame Tito and communists for that. They killed tens of thousands of Serbs so your pack of Albos is really not interesting to me.

Anyway, you are either using a deception here or are just stupid to notice the metaphor.

[Han Cholo]

You can't compare Libya with Kosovo, that one is an internal affair not Kosovo. In this case, Serbs = Turks, Kosovo Albanians = Kurds. That's all there is to it, I don't care about your personal opinion on the US.

They're comparable only in one thing, which is what I want you to understand: there has been active aid in such situations only to serve foreign interests. It's not for "goodwill for people of a distant nation". What I'm saying is not an opinion but a very verifiable fact. Are you going to deny USA (and Russia back then as well) has sponsored rebellions and ethnic conflicts? This is only because it benefits them in one way or another, not because they care about some murdering by either side of a distant land.

If Kurds = Albanians why hasn't USA helped the innocent civilians killed by Turks over all these years like it helped Albanians in Kosovo? That's right, Turkey is in NATO (and is vital in keeping Iran in check.)

[Queen B]

I do support the Palestinian people, so your issue is with the US, not me. What your saying is basically the US shouldn't have intervened?
My ''issue'' is the ''lady'' that gave the interview. I m judging her, not the war itself, since the thread is about what she said , not about the faults and the war.

She can't talk about being humanitarian when it wasn't and she can't talk about ''good'' or ''bad'' people where her kin is the aggressor in an ongoing war already .

[Arbërori]

Blame Tito and communists for that. They killed tens of thousands of Serbs so your pack of Albos is really not interesting to me.

Anyway, you are either using a deception here or are just stupid to notice the metaphor.

Blame him and them for your degenerate way of thinking? :lol: Likewise, I don't care.

Nope, you're just butthurt, pardon my French. :wink

[Loki]

They stopped the war and saved many innocent people by doing so, not only Albanian, but Bosniak & Gorani aswell.


This is the most important point. Who can argue against that?

[Arbërori]

My ''issue'' is the ''lady'' that gave the interview. I m judging her, not the war itself, since the thread is about what she said , not about the faults and the war.

She can't talk about being humanitarian when it wasn't and she can't talk about ''good'' or ''bad'' people where her kin is the aggressor in an ongoing war already .

Then say that, otherwise your point got totally misinterpreted.

It was, it definitely was -> saved lives & an independant Kosovo, we are all happy and free. I don't really care much about the other ongoing wars, although I do not agree with them.

I do support Israel in it's self determination but am against their mistreat of the Palestinians.

[Queen B]

You can't compare Libya with Kosovo, that one is an internal affair not Kosovo. In this case, Serbs = Turks, Kosovo Albanians = Kurds. That's all there is to it, I don't care about your personal opinion on the US.
Not quite the same , actually, and its not a helping argument (to support your point)

For the ''west'' , Kurds are the terrorists so you are admiting that Albanians are also the terrorists, or at least how west should see them ?
And Albanians were the majority in Kosovo, right ?

[Loki]

She can't talk about being humanitarian when it wasn't and she can't talk about ''good'' or ''bad'' people where her kin is the aggressor in an ongoing war already .

It had a humanitarian relief effect on many thousands of people. Is that not enough?

[Arbërori]

They're comparable only in one thing, which is what I want you to understand: there has been active aid in such situations only to serve foreign interests. It's not for "goodwill for people of a distant nation". What I'm saying is not an opinion but a very verifiable fact. Are you going to deny USA (and Russia back then as well) has sponsored rebellions and ethnic conflicts? This is only because it benefits them in one way or another, not because they care about some murdering by either side of a distant land.

If Kurds = Albanians why hasn't USA helped the innocent civilians killed by Turks over all these years like it helped Albanians in Kosovo? That's right, Turkey is in NATO (and is vital in keeping Iran in check.)

They haven't sponsored that one, get this through your thick skull: Albanians were being killed like animals for being Albanians! How horrible can it get?!

Well who knows, it might. I for one support the Kurdish people, but lunaticks like you should really refrain from having such a loose opinion on this matter, sorry. :o

[Queen B]

Then say that, otherwise your point got totally misinterpreted.

It was, it definitely was -> saved lives & an independant Kosovo, we are all happy and free. I don't really care much about the other ongoing wars, although I do not agree with them.

I do support Israel in it's self determination but am against their mistreat of the Palestinians.
In a thread about Madeleine Allbright and her interview, isn't it obvious that answers SHOULD BE about her interview?

:p:p:p

[Arbërori]

Not quite the same , actually, and its not a helping argument (to support your point)

For the ''west'' , Kurds are the terrorists so you are admiting that Albanians are also the terrorists, or at least how west should see them ?
And Albanians were the majority in Kosovo, right ?

Kurds are fighting back in any way they can. I'm not saying I support them in harassing and killing ethnic Turks, but hello, the Turks tried to gas them out of existence once.

Stop twisting my words, you know that was not what I meant. Yes, they were. Kurds are also more than a million people.

[Arbërori]

In a thread about Madeleine Allbright and her interview, isn't it obvious that answers SHOULD BE about her interview?

:p:p:p

You were speaking of America's interference, not Madeleine's words. :P :P :P

If you wanted, you could've just said ''that's not a very diplomatic thing of her to say'', but suit yourself.

[Loki]

Arberori I think dandelion is just winding you up for fun :p

[Arbërori]

This is the most important point. Who can argue against that?

Wait for Baluarte to finish his book, in the end, Albanians will be the ones to blamed for getting killed. :lol:

[Arbërori]

It had a humanitarian relief effect on many thousands of people. Is that not enough?

Seems like it for some sick, twisted minded people.

[Arbërori]

Arberori I think dandelion is just winding you up for fun :p

I'm sorry, but this is a rather sensitive issue, Albanians were rounded up and shot like a pack of dogs, so how do you think I'll react? :P

[Queen B]

Kurds are fighting back in any way they can. I'm not saying I support them in harassing and killing ethnic Turks, but hello, the Turks tried to gas them out of existence once.

Stop twisting my words, you know that was not what I meant. Yes, they were. Kurds are also more than a million people.
I m not twisting your words, I m actually warning you that your argument doesn't help your cause.

I have no real say in any of theae 2 wars (Interethnic in Turkey and Kosovo), I haven't made any research about either of them, to give faults getting sides.

[Han Cholo]

They haven't sponsored that one, get this through your thick skull: Albanians were being killed like animals for being Albanians! How horrible can it get?!

Just like jews were killed like animals for being jews (by an hostile power to USA, and also Soviet Union (how worse could it get??) being Nazi Germany). Like Palestines are being killed for being Palestines today (but in this case no one comes to help them because they represent the "hostile element" to the superpower). It's very horrible, I understand this. Now, I would also expect someone with a "thin skull" like yourself to understand that it would also be very horrible some foreign power actually would dare to get a profit out of this, would not it?



Well who knows, it might. I for one support the Kurdish people, but lunaticks like you should really refrain from having such a loose opinion on this matter, sorry. :o

I would wish Kurds were treated with respect, and that if they are able to establish a nation, should be respected to be so. However, I am also intelligent enough to understand this is not about "what I wish" and that it's very likely Kurds would get support on their struggle due to Turkey being a close ally of the USA.

[Arbërori]

I m not twisting your words, I m actually warning you that your argument doesn't help your cause.

I have no real say in any of theae 2 wars (Interethnic in Turkey and Kosovo), I haven't made any research about either of them, to give faults getting sides.

So what you're saying is the US shouldn't have intervened?

The killings of innocent should tell you enough who is the one to blame here, my dear dandy. :)

[Arbërori]

Just like jews were killed like animals for being jews (by an hostile power to USA, and also Soviet Union (how worse could it get??) being Nazi Germany). Like Palestines are being killed for being Palestines today (but in this case no one comes to help them because they represent the "hostile element" to the superpower). It's very horrible, I understand this. Now, I would also expect someone with a "thin skull" like yourself to understand that it would also be very horrible some foreign power actually would dare to get a profit out of this, would not it?

You aren't getting the point here, natural resources can't compare with human lives or can they? :wink


I would wish Kurds were treated with respect, and that if they are able to establish a nation, should be respected to be so. However, I am also intelligent enough to understand this is not about "what I wish" and that it's very likely Kurds would get support on their struggle due to Turkey being a close ally of the USA.

Turks have alot of blood on their hands, ours included.

[Minesweeper]

This is the most important point. Who can argue against that?

I can, it's a damn lie that NATO stopped the violence. NATO deepened it and caused more causalities and hundreds of thousands of displaced.

Without their intervention, KLA would be defeated in '99 and there would be peace like it was before the KLA was formed and a political solution would be found because Milosevic was not a fool and he already had many talks with moderate Albanian representatives who were for peaceful solution, like Ibrahim Rugova.

[Empecinado]

What a cute nun. Why, you mad Colombians can't stop killing eachother for drugs & become civilized once and for all? Don't blame that on innocents.

Funny you say that, because Colombian state is very similar to the Kosovar one: both are a US colony and both are centers of drug distribution. Kosovo is a narco-state and platform for drugs, weapons, organs and human trafficking in Europe, and according German intelligence even its president is involved, famous in Spain because used mafias to steal violently in houses to pay the war against Serbia.

[Vukodav]

This is the most important point. Who can argue against that?

I can argue because my family accepted Slavic muslim refugees in our home, they were not running away from Serbs. And hate Kosovo Albos as much as Serbs.

[Arbërori]

I can, it's a damn lie that NATO stopped the violence. NATO deepened it and caused more causalities and hundreds of thousands of displaced.

Without their intervention, KLA would be defeated in '99 and there would be peace like it was before the KLA was formed and a political solution would be found because Milosevic was not a fool and he already had many talks with moderate Albanian representatives who were for peaceful solution.

Haha, liar.

Oh really? Face it, Yugoslavia was a lie, it was just a perfect picture on the outside & why do you want Albanians to be part of it anyways? You gave up your Illyrian identity ages ago, so please. :wink

[Arbërori]

Funny you say that, because Colombian state is very similar to the Kosovar one: both are a US colony and both are centers of drug distribution. Kosovo is a narco-state and platform for drugs, weapons, organs and human trafficking in Europe, and according German intelligence even its president is involved, famous in Spain because used mafias to steal violently in houses to pay the war against Serbia.

Human organ trafficking? :lol: Sure thing! :wink

As if any country is drug free, you wish. Keep up with your conspriacy theories.

[Hurrem sultana]

I can argue because my family accepted Slavic muslim refugees in our home, they were not running away from Serbs. And hate Kosovo Albos as much as Serbs.

bullshit

[Han Cholo]

You aren't getting the point here, natural resources can't compare with human lives or can they? :wink

You're the one not getting the point: for imperial powers resources or other interests are more important than human lives. Human lives are not a crucial factor for them at all.




Turks have alot of blood on their hands, ours included.

Yet nothing happens to them because they are aligned with the superpower and NATO. It seems there are some hope in you after all. You are slowly understanding now.

I don't even have a very good view on Serbs, yet this doesn't blind me from seeing they were an obstacle to imperial powers.

[Arbërori]

I can argue because my family accepted Slavic muslim refugees in our home, they were not running away from Serbs. And hate Kosovo Albos as much as Serbs.

Who, Goranis? :lol: They were the ones pointing at Albanian and Bosniak homes, those traitors. Keep them in Montenegro, you do need more people or else you face Russification soon enough.

[Arbërori]

You're the one not getting the point: for imperial powers resources or other interests are more important than human lives. Human lives are not a crucial factor for them at all.

Sorry, but in our case they were. :wink


Yet nothing happens to them because they are aligned with the superpower and NATO. It seems there are some hope in you after all. You are slowly understanding now.

If you want, open a thread about Kurds and stop derailing mine.

[Twistedmind]

This is the most important point. Who can argue against that?
Really?


http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=28&nav_id=79007


bullshit

I love such strong arguments. :laugh:

[Arbërori]

Really?


http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=28&nav_id=79007

What a reliable source... not.

[Han Cholo]

Sorry, but in our case they were. :wink

Sure, your case was more important than all others for imperial powers. USA helped you because they were completely awed at your civilians getting killed. And please stop abusing smileys in a serious conversation, it makes you look dumber than you are already looking.




If you want, open a thread about Kurds and stop derailing mine.

It was you who started talking about Kurds, not me. I just replied to your fallacies.

[Arbërori]

Sure, your case was more important than all others for imperial powers. USA helped you because they were completely awed at your civilians getting killed.

Well sorry, I wish they helped you too, but they didn't. Stop demeaning Albanian casualties, thank you.


It was you who started talking about Kurds, not me. I just replied to your fallacies.

Fallacies? Sorry for not taking your opinion into consideration, when it's flawed afterall.

[Twistedmind]

What a reliable source... not.
Most pro-Western Internet portal in Serbia. Praised as heroes against Milošević, and adored by albanians. ;) Adrian posted tons of links from that site. You should continue tradition of long line of Albanian moderators here. ;)

[legolasbozo]

]Human organ trafficking[/B]? :lol: Sure thing! :wink



i could not say it better myself...

Kosovo PM is head of human organ and arms ring, Council of Europe reports...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/kosovo-prime-minister-llike-mafia-boss

i guess you lost your albanian identity or you are very far far away issues in albania..

[Vukodav]

@LunarRose and Arberori not Gorani but Serbian muslims from Kosovo, you can call them Bosniaks if you want. They stayed few wees in my home.

[Han Cholo]

Well sorry, I wish they helped you too, but they didn't. Stop demeaning Albanian casualties, thank you.

I am not demeaning any casualities. I am sorry for all casualities died in such conflict on both Serb and Albanian side, and other conflicts as well. Why would you think so? One would think you're demeaning other casualities that have been bypassed by foreign powers rather than myself.




Fallacies? Sorry for not taking your opinion into consideration, when it's flawed afterall.

You're the one here showing a personal and also emotional opinion rather than myself.

[Arbërori]

Most pro-Western Internet portal in Serbia. Praised as heroes against Milošević, and adored by albanians. ;) Adrian posted tons of links from that site. You should continue tradition of long line of Albanian moderators here. ;)

So? It can still post false news or whatever. Haha, speak of tradition, when your countrymen lack it.

[Arbërori]

i could not say it better myself...

Kosovo PM is head of human organ and arms ring, Council of Europe reports...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/kosovo-prime-minister-llike-mafia-boss

i guess you lost your albanian identity or you are very far far away issues in albania..

:lol: The ''Yellow House'' is a lie, thanks and bye------------------------------------->

[Arbërori]

@LunarRose and Arberori not Gorani but Serbian muslims from Kosovo, you can call them Bosniaks if you want. They stayed few wees in my home.

Then why are most of Bosniaks still in Kosovo? Ask _Cokolino_ about his relatives and stop lying. :wink

[Empecinado]

Human organ trafficking? :lol: Sure thing! :wink

As if any country is drug free, you wish. Keep up with your conspriacy theories.

No country is free of drugs, but few are centers of distribution of drugs and other criminal activities where the state promotes it and where even the president participates. But according you, a report of the German intelligence is a conspiracy theory :picard2:

[Arbërori]

I am not demeaning any casualities. Why would you think so? One would think you're demeaning other casualities that have been bypassed by foreign powers rather than myself.

Not my problem & there isn't anything I could do about it either.


You're the one here showing a personal and also emotional opinion rather than myself.

Ofcourse, my people got killed, sorry for being human. I've even showed a personal and emotional opinion about Kurds aswell.

[Arbërori]

No country is free of drugs, but few are centers of distribution of drugs and other criminal activities where the state promotes it and where even the president participates. But according you, a report of the German intelligence is a conspiracy theory :picard2:

Frankly, Hashim isn't that popular anyways, so suit yourself. The State hasn't promoted it in any way & the citizens would be outraged if they did. This is not Spain, where men have been commiting suicide in order to feed their children. :wink

It is horrible what is happening in Spain, but it's not an excuse for your ignorance.

[Han Cholo]

Not my problem & there isn't anything I could do about it either.

One would think that after such conflicts you would be more empathic to people in similar kind of situations.




Ofcourse, my people got killed, sorry for being human. I've even showed a personal and emotional opinion about Kurds aswell.

Indeed. I feel sorry for the people killed. I also feel sorry for the other people dead on other conflicts. I also feel very sorry for the subsequent manipulations on your people, and many others around the world on behalf of superpowers.

[Vukodav]

Then why are most of Bosniaks still in Kosovo? Ask _Cokolino_ about his relatives and stop lying. :wink

lol why do you act like a litlle kid? Both you and Lunar should meet my friend who is ethnic Turk from Kosovo. His biggest wish is to throw a nuke on Kos Albos.

[Arbërori]

One would think that after such conflicts you would be more empathic to people in similar kind of situations.

I'm sorry, but all I can do is voice my opinion against Turkey & support justice, a free Kurdistan that is. I can't manipulate world powers...


Indeed. I feel sorry for the people killed. I also feel sorry for the other people dead on other conflicts. I also feel very sorry for the subsequent manipulations on your people, and many others around the world on behalf of superpowers.

Indeed and thank you, many people have been manipulating news and facts about my people, but it's okay. We are here in our lands and we don't intend to leave, so you either love us or hate us, but you do respect us, heard that Serbs? :wink

[Arbërori]

lol why do you act like a litlle kid? Both you and Lunar should meet my friend who is ethnic Turk from Kosovo. His biggest wish is to throw a nuke on Kos Albos.

Bravo Ottoman, as always, socializing with the enemy. :P :lol:

I don't care, he better shut his pie hole and stay put in Mamusha.

[Vukodav]

you should learn to multiquote, Arberori.

[Arbërori]

you should learn to multiquote, Arberori.

Thanks and no thanks. I prefer it this way, nothing personal.

[Vukodav]

very professional for moderator.

[Arbërori]

very professional for moderator.

What's your problem again? :lol:

[Empecinado]

Frankly, Hashim isn't that popular anyways, so suit yourself. The State hasn't promoted it in any way & the citizens would be outraged if they did. This is not Spain, where men have been commiting suicide in order to feed their children. :wink

It is horrible what is happening in Spain, but it's not an excuse for your ignorance.

There are many reports that show that Kosovo is a narco-state, I don't understand your stubbornness in denying reality just because does not fit your feelings.

And may you explain me what has to do with it that in Spain many men suicide because their former woman divorced using feminist laws to rob their home, money and childrens, throwing them to begging?

[Arbërori]

There are many reports that show that Kosovo is a narco-state, I don't understand your stubbornness in denying reality just because does not fit your feelings.

And may you explain me what has to do with it that in Spain many men suicide because their former woman divorced using feminist laws to rob their home, money and childrens, throwing them to begging?

Some state officials, not the State itself. I'm sorry this does not fit your seemingly anti-Albanian feelings.

Sorry, but how my aunt described it, those women did not divorce their husbands. :wink They are now widows.

[Empecinado]

Some state officials, not the State itself. I'm sorry this does not fit your seemingly anti-Albanian feelings.

Sorry, but how my aunt described it, those women did not divorce their husbands. :wink They are now widows.

Accuse someone of being anti-some country just because he is critical with its state is quite totalitarian, like calling anti-German to someone who criticized Nazis in the 30's. Myself I'm very critical with my own state...does it means I'm anti-Spanish?

About Albanian people I'm neutral, as there are not Albanians living here (except the mafias), have never met an Albanian and the last conflict with Albania was in the 14 century.

[Arbërori]

Accuse someone of being anti-some country just because he is critical with its state is quite totalitarian, like calling anti-German to someone who criticized Nazis in the 30's. Myself I'm very critical with my own state...does it means I'm anti-Spanish?

No, you are accusing Albanians of attacking Serbs and demeaning the intervention of US Americans, this is not Albanians criticising Albanians, but Serbs. :wink


About Albanian people I'm neutral, as there are not Albanians living here (except the mafias), have never met an Albanian and the last conflict with Albania was in the 14 century.

There are, my uncle used to live for a year in Malorca. What conflict? :D

[Baluarte]

Whatever you guys want to say, keep in mind "humanitarian concerns" are the least important factor for political action in the Balkanic operation of NATO.
Those are just mediatic empty messages.

[Arbërori]

Whatever you guys want to say, keep in mind "humanitarian concerns" are the least important factor for political action in the Balkanic operation of NATO.
Those are just mediatic empty messages.

What's the use of the Balkans with no people in it? :lol:

[Loki]

Whatever you guys want to say, keep in mind "humanitarian concerns" are the least important factor for political action in the Balkanic operation of NATO.
Those are just mediatic empty messages.

The issue is not the motive here, but the result. It saved lives and helped people.

[Twistedmind]

Whatever you guys want to say, keep in mind "humanitarian concerns" are the least important factor for political action in the Balkanic operation of NATO.
Those are just mediatic empty messages.

You are aware its only available data for such people? Only that info served to them by massmedia. :) I am not accusing anyone, but average Western European/ North American knows about foreignpolicy only from massmedia.

[Loki]

What's the use of the Balkans with no people in it? :lol:

Forests with wild boar hunting. Sounds tempting :)

[Arbërori]

Forests with wild boar hunting. Sounds tempting :)

:P My cousin hunted two down last year, they're scary as fuck! :eek:

[Empecinado]

No, you are accusing Albanians of attacking Serbs and demeaning the intervention of US Americans, this is not Albanians criticising Albanians, but Serbs. :wink

I've said that UÇK attacked Serbs, that NATO intervention was a crime against all international law and that Kosovo is a narco-state. And UÇK is not Albanian people, neither NATO or Kosovo state.



There are, my uncle used to live for a year in Malorca. What conflict? :D

There are but really few, in my province I've just checked there are just 40 living, apart from the Albanian mafias whose members usually are not registered in census or/and doesn't live here.

The conflicts were the incursions into Albania from Aragonese and Catalan mercenaries, and the conquest of Durres by the Navarrese Company , there is even a film about it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULSXWZIlSCk

[Arbërori]

I've said that UÇK attacked Serbs, that NATO intervention was a crime against all international law and that Kosovo is a narco-state. And UÇK is not Albanian people, neither NATO or Kosovo state.

No they didn't, they protected Albanians from Serbs, practically all of KLA's army were civilians.


There are but really few, in my province I've just checked there are just 40 living, apart from the Albanian mafias whose members usually are not registered in census or/and doesn't live here.

The conflicts were the incursions into Albania from Aragonese and Catalan mercenaries, and the conquest of Durres by the Navarrese Company , there is even a film about it.

You wanted to take over Albania? How dare you?! :mad: :P

[Guapo]

I don't know where you get that idea, and how it reflects the Balkan.

And yes I'm pretty sure about that.

How's the US backed Mandela doing?

[Loki]

How's the US backed Mandela doing?

He's half a mummy already.

[Lemon Kush]

I think the U.S. wants to create a "Muslim Belt" in the Balkans stretching from Bosnia and Hertzegovina to Albania through the Rodopi mountains in Bulgaria all the way to Turkey. Divide and conquer. The break up of Yugoslavia was essential for this happen.

[Loki]

I think the U.S. wants to create a "Muslim Belt" in the Balkans stretching from Bosnia and Hertzegovina to Albania through the Rodopi mountains in Bulgaria all the way to Turkey. Divide and conquer. The break up of Yugoslavia was essential for this happen.

Why? Who do they want to conquer with such a grandiose scheme?

[dralos]

I think the U.S. wants to create a "Muslim Belt" in the Balkans stretching from Bosnia and Hertzegovina to Albania through the Rodopi mountains in Bulgaria all the way to Turkey. Divide and conquer. The break up of Yugoslavia was essential for this happen.
the intervention was necessary to stop ethnic cleansing of albanians,if i'm not mistaking it was bulgaria who made the ethnic cleansing plan of milosevic public anyway i dont see serbs complaining when eu and usa gives them money and yes they do get much more money than albania,bosnia and kosova together and why dont they protest against that,no bcs it helps them

[Arbërori]

I think the U.S. wants to create a "Muslim Belt" in the Balkans stretching from Bosnia and Hertzegovina to Albania through the Rodopi mountains in Bulgaria all the way to Turkey. Divide and conquer. The break up of Yugoslavia was essential for this happen.

Muslim Belt? This is Europe, mate.

[alfieb]

Why? Who do they want to conquer with such a grandiose scheme?

Indeed. The USA have no natural enemies in the Balkans. Hogwash.

[Baluarte]

Indeed. The USA have no natural enemies in the Balkans. Hogwash.

They had Yugoslavia, now, they just want to make sure the successor States are all properly coopted.
Montenegro represents a problem for them, since Russians have mostly taken control of the economic of the county, with the agreement of Djukanovic's corrupt regime.

They want to make sure Serbia is 1) Properly weakened and 2) Led towards the European Union so its trapped into their neo-Soviet system and stripped of its independence.

[Loki]

Indeed. The USA have no natural enemies in the Balkans. Hogwash.

The US was afraid of the mighty Yugoslavia :lol:

[dralos]

They had Yugoslavia, now, they just want to make sure the successor States are all properly coopted.
Montenegro represents a problem for them, since Russians have mostly taken control of the economic of the county, with the agreement of Djukanovic's corrupt regime.

They want to make sure Serbia is 1) Properly weakened and 2) Led towards the European Union so its trapped into their neo-Soviet system and stripped of its independence.
yeah serbia that super strong country :p

[Baluarte]

You don't get it, it's not about if they're strong or not, it's about if they're independent or not. Yugoslavia had no chance of being a world power, but was a State that was free from both Washington and Moscow. One of the founders of the Non-Aligned Movement.

It's the same with Iran, who has no chance of becoming a world power in the next 50 years, but is still hated because it's independent, doesn't have a Rothschild Central Bank and doesn't bow.

[derLowe]

Translation: You (Serbs) were killing innocent people and you (Serbs) had to be crushed. :wink

No, that is not how to world works.

[Arbërori]

Yugoslavs themselves destroyed Yugoslavia, not Americans. :wink

[Arbërori]

No, that is not how to world works.

Shut up, it's reality already & listen to the nice, old lady, saying ''Bombs away!'' :lol:

[Drawing-slim]

This guy is awsome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfrvL3z4x8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Prengs]

I've said that UÇK attacked Serbs, that NATO intervention was a crime against all international law and that Kosovo is a narco-state. And UÇK is not Albanian people, neither NATO or Kosovo state.



There are but really few, in my province I've just checked there are just 40 living, apart from the Albanian mafias whose members usually are not registered in census or/and doesn't live here.

The conflicts were the incursions into Albania from Aragonese and Catalan mercenaries, and the conquest of Durres by the Navarrese Company , there is even a film about it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULSXWZIlSCk

War between Albanians and Catalans was mostly in today Central/South Greece (After Catalans occupied some of these territores).

Spain is/was one of main centre of serbian mafias. ZENUN (one of most powerful criminal groups in Europe, also were participants of Srebenica genocide, Croatian and Kosovo war) and Arkan/Milosevic.

Drugs, prostitutios, murders in Spain came from this group ZENUN/Arkan supported by their president Milosevic.

[derLowe]

Shut up, it's reality already & listen to the nice, old lady, saying ''Bombs away!'' :lol:

A charming response, you as a mod should practice a better code of conduct. Telling me to shut up wont change the truth, that we are all merely pawns in a large geopolitical war.

[Baluarte]

A charming response, you as a mod should practice a better code of conduct. Telling me to shut up wont change the truth, that we are all merely pawns in a large geopolitical war.

There is a really large amount of mods here, but very few seem to be actually "moderating" the discussions.

[Arbërori]

A charming response, you as a mod should practice a better code of conduct. Telling me to shut up wont change the truth, that we are all merely pawns in a large geopolitical war.

The response you deserve as a human being. You are just trying to devalue the Albanian struggle against the occupiers, so sorry, it's not like I insulted you in any way. :lol:

[Asgardsrei]

No, Yugoslavia dissolved because it was a pathetic and miserable failure of a country, moreso economically speaking, as it was utterly dependent on western loans. Things got worse during the 80'ies, the currency was devalued, wages dropped etc. and this obviously created the fertile soil for antagonism to thrive. We know what happened next.

Although no doubt you would see some parallelism between the fall of Yugoslavia and your beloved Soviet Union, obviously it was the masterplan of the evil western powers :)


Yugoslavia was indeed a miserable failure,all the money from rich Slovenia and Croatia was transfered into undeveloped republics such as Serbia and Kosovo.
It should never happen in the first place.

[dralos]

Yugoslavia was indeed a miserable failure,all the money from rich Slovenia and Croatia was transfered into undeveloped republics such as Serbia and Kosovo.
It should never happen in the first place.
i'm sorry but kosova was the poorest place of all yugoslavia all money from kosova went to serbia and other republics
belgrade is built with money from kosova

[Loki]

belgrade is built with money from kosova

Alboz built Belgrade! :p

[Arbërori]

Alboz built Belgrade! :p

There was a saying back in Yugoslavia ''Yugoslavia works, Belgrade builts itself up'', in Serbo-Croatian ''Jugoslavija radi, Beograd se gradi''. :wink

And yes, with the money of the Kosovo Albanian natural resources aswell.

[dralos]

Alboz built Belgrade! :p
loki i'm talking about the trepca mines

[derLowe]

The response you deserve as a human being. You are just trying to devalue the Albanian struggle against the occupiers, so sorry, it's not like I insulted you in any way. :lol:

As before, your personal conduct as a mod is poor.

[Arbërori]

As before, your personal conduct as a mod is poor.

Someone is butthurt I see.

[derLowe]

Someone is butthurt I see.

Shall you prove my point ad nauseum?

[Drawing-slim]

Alboz built Belgrade! :p

You can actually say begrade belongs to us. Trepcha mine and all kosovo worked for it, and belgrade best known streets and hotels are of albanian names. On top of it all, these serbs wannabe us and kill us all.
Crazy Monsters!

[Arbërori]

Shall you prove my point ad nauseum?

Sup with the Ad hominems? Kosovo is free, deal----------------------------------------->

[Twistedmind]

i'm sorry but kosova was the poorest place of all yugoslavia all money from kosova went to serbia and other republics
belgrade is built with money from kosova

Kosovo was poorest of all. So poor that nobody has money to pay electricity. :laugh: Entire Serbia was sending money there.

[Arbërori]

Kosovo was poorest of all. So poor that nobody has money to pay electricity. :laugh: Entire Serbia was sending money there.

They don't pay it on purpose, not because they don't have money... You should see some estates in Kosovo, that are such luxurious homes, you'd be shocked. :wink

[dralos]

Kosovo was poorest of all. So poor that nobody has money to pay electricity. :laugh: Entire Serbia was sending money there.
serbia only helps herself you never help anybody else so stop spreading bullshit

[Twistedmind]

Arberoriri, for once in your life dont be chidlish idiot. Kosovo was and is now poorest part of Europe. That's relaity not insult. Grow up.
Dralos, go and arrange date with Drawing-line :D

[dralos]

Arberoriri, for once in your life dont be chidlish idiot. Kosovo was and is now poorest part of Europe. That's relaity not insult. Grow up.
you servs made it very poor only absorbing her wealth and never investing in it,while you see kosova as your holy cradle but you never did anything for it so i dont get it,look at the vaticancity its wonderful thats a real cradle

[derLowe]

Sup with the Ad hominems? Kosovo is free, deal----------------------------------------->

I have nothing against you personally, just your lack general curtsey towards me and my argument.

[Arbërori]

Arberoriri, for once in your life dont be chidlish idiot. Kosovo was and is now poorest part of Europe. That's relaity not insult. Grow up.
Dralos, go and arrange date with Drawing-line :D

Can't you come up with a good ad hominem for once? You're pathetic.

Yes, Kosovo, the glorious craddle of Serbdom... :lol: If it wasn't for you evil colonizers, it wouldn't have suffered so much, oh my poor land of Dardhania, may God bless you and keep you safe from Satan's children themselves!

[Arbërori]

I have nothing against you personally, just your lack general curtsey towards me and my argument.

Your argument has been refuted: Kosovo is independant, thank you and have a nice day.

[Mans not hot]

Kosovo je Silesia

[Arbërori]

Kosovo je Silesia

Poland should rule Europe, kurwa. :P

[derLowe]

Your argument has been refuted: Kosovo is independant, thank you and have a nice day.

Perhaps you should re-read my argument.

[Arbërori]

Perhaps you should re-read my argument.

Which was?

[Hevo]

She doesn't regret that innocent people were bombed? Sick fuck, she will know what's coming to her.

[Arbërori]

She doesn't regret that innocent people were bombed? Sick fuck, she will know what's coming to her.

Blame their goverment, they were supporters afterall.

[kabeiros]

As if any country is drug free, you wish. Keep up with your conspriacy theories.
http://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=kosovo%20is%20a%20drug&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fworld%2F2000 %2Fmar%2F13%2Fbalkans&ei=IkFcUbqhCYnStQacp4G4Dw&usg=AFQjCNHx10tMN-lF2XZDJRNdxr5FzJC68g

http://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=kosovo%20is%20a%20drug&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.globalresearch.ca%2Fkosovo-europe-s-mafia-state-hub-of-the-eu-nato-drug-trail%2F22486&ei=IkFcUbqhCYnStQacp4G4Dw&usg=AFQjCNHsynmtHLecXPKBIDUjepzwhBZBNw

[Arbërori]

http://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=kosovo%20is%20a%20drug&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fworld%2F2000 %2Fmar%2F13%2Fbalkans&ei=IkFcUbqhCYnStQacp4G4Dw&usg=AFQjCNHx10tMN-lF2XZDJRNdxr5FzJC68g

http://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=kosovo%20is%20a%20drug&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.globalresearch.ca%2Fkosovo-europe-s-mafia-state-hub-of-the-eu-nato-drug-trail%2F22486&ei=IkFcUbqhCYnStQacp4G4Dw&usg=AFQjCNHsynmtHLecXPKBIDUjepzwhBZBNw

What does that have to do with the topic at all? So now innocent people should die because of some drug dealers?

You must be joking, right? :picard2:

[Philo]

Blame their goverment, they were supporters afterall.
Same thing with Gaza. LOL

[Arbërori]

Same thing with Gaza. LOL

When do you plan on recognizing Kosovo?! :mad: :P

[kabeiros]

What does that have to do with the topic at all? So now innocent people should die because of some drug dealers?

You must be joking, right? :picard2: A country that provides 40% of heroine in Europe is not some drug dealers... and I didn't comment on the OP but on your post about conspiracy theory

[Arbërori]

A country that provides 40% of heroine in Europe is not some drug dealers... and I didn't comment on the OP but on your post about conspiracy theory

So that amount couldn't be provided by the same people? Irregardless, it's still a minority.

Yes, drugs are present in Kosovo, just like everywhere around Europe and the world, big deal, don't go off topic. :)

[Philo]

When do you plan on recognizing Kosovo?! :mad: :P

Me? I really don't think I matter:p. But I am neutral regarding the Balkans.
If you're talking about the Israeli government than this is what I managed to find in Wikipedia:

"We haven't decided when we're going to decide, and instead will monitor events and consider the issue," an unnamed Israeli Foreign Ministry official was quoted by the Jerusalem Post in February 2008.[265] Israel will not recognise Kosovo's independence at this time, in part because of the possibility of Palestinians using recognition of Kosovo to justify their own unilateral declaration of independence.[266] According to The Jewish Chronicle, Foreign Ministry officials and politicians are privately voicing a general sympathy towards the Kosovar cause, however Israel still won't recognise Kosovo.[267] Knesset representative Ruhama Avraham said that "at present the government of Israel has made decision not to join the group of countries which recognised the independence of Kosovo". She also said that Israel considers the situation "very disturbing".[268]
On 28 April 2009, Arthur Koll, the Israeli ambassador to Serbia, said it had been more than a year since Kosovo unilaterally declared independence, and that Israel had no intention of recognising that independence and that "Israel is asked from time to time how solid this decision is, but the fact is that Israel's position has not changed throughout this time. The Serbian people and government should appreciate Israel's position, which also demonstrates the friendship between the two states".[269][270] On 16 September 2009, Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman said that Israel is "monitoring the situation between Serbia and Kosovo" and that Israel hopes for "a really comprehensive and peaceful solution" which would be established through negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina. Liberman said that his country would be able to withstand the pressure made on it to recognise Kosovo because Israel has "been under pressure since 1948 on many issues and we know how to deal with any pressure".[271] "Israeli officials have confirmed that Israel will remain firm in its stand [on Kosovo]," Serbian Interior Minister Ivica Dačić said during a visit to Israel in late October 2009.[272]
In June 2011, Lieberman said that Kosovo's independence is a "sensitive issue" and that Israel may recognise Kosovo after other countries like Greece and Spain accept it.[273]
On 3 August 2012, during the opening of Israeli Embassy in Tirana, Lieberman, when asked about Kosovo, said that his country is in a delicate situation.[274] In August 2012, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, Danny Ayalon, stated that Israel was considering recognising Kosovo, with a decision expected as soon as the following year.[275] In December 2012, the Israeli Ambassador to Albania, David Cohen, said that Israel has not recognised Kosovo yet, but it is working on this issue and that although it does not have known trade relations with Kosovo, it does give visa facilitation for Kosovars.[276]

[kabeiros]

No, Arberori the evidence points on Kosovo being completely ruled by drug lords and Mafia bosses, Kosovar Albanians must do something about it. They will be partly responsible for thousands of deaths all over Europe if they just let it be or try to hide this truth like you do here

[derLowe]

Which was?

That it was a part of a Geopolitical game.

[Arbërori]

Me? I really don't think I matter:p. But I am neutral regarding the Balkans.
If you're talking about the Israeli government than this is what I managed to find in Wikipedia:

Well, we did save your people during WW2, but it's okay, you've sent alot of humanitarian help during the war & have always supported Kosovo on their stance towards independence... Check this out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHrktmB_Ew

[Arbërori]

That it was a part of a Geopolitical game.

So people don't matter at all? Kosovo is free, that's all we need to know.

[Philo]

Well, we did save your people during WW2, but it's okay, you've sent alot of humanitarian help during the war & have always supported Kosovo on their stance towards independence... Check this out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHrktmB_Ew
Yeah but so did Serbs. I personally met a Serb who's grandfather was "righteous among the nations"(helped Jews) in my trip to Croatia. I am pro-peace in the Balkans because it's a beautiful region. Peace:thumb001:

[Arbërori]

Yeah but so did Serbs. I personally met a Serb who's grandfather was "righteous among the nations"(helped Jews) in my trip to Croatia. I am pro-peace in the Balkans because it's a beautiful region. Peace:thumb001:

Not the majority I am afraid. I agree, hopefully they won't fuck that up again! :P :thumb001:

[Arbërori]

No, Arberori the evidence points on Kosovo being completely ruled by drug lords and Mafia bosses, Kosovar Albanians must do something about it. They will be partly responsible for thousands of deaths all over Europe if they just let it be or try to hide this truth like you do here

Every country complains about their politicians, Kosovo is no exception.

Not Kosovar Albanians, but those individuals. You are going off topic now, either open a thread about this or give it up. :lol:

[derLowe]

So people don't matter at all? Kosovo is free, that's all we need to know.

Freedom is a subjective term, people would be better off measuring their lives by the level of indebtedness towards others.

It was a nice chat but I need to get to work.

[Arbërori]

Freedom is a subjective term, people would be better off measuring their lives by the level of indebtedness towards others.

It was a nice chat but I need to get to work.

So much off topic! :lol:

Have a nice day.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Serbs criminality has a limit, this blessed lady has raised the voice when it was most needed.

[Lemon Kush]

The U.S. did everything in its power to dissolve Yugoslavia as well as funding terrorists to cause instability in the region. One of the reasons they wanted to see the fall of Yugoslavia was because of its neutral status. It was trading with both NATO and the Eastern Bloc.

[Empecinado]

War between Albanians and Catalans was mostly in today Central/South Greece (After Catalans occupied some of these territores).

Yes, but I meant also the conquest of Durres by the mercenaries from the Navarrese Company, they were Basques.


Spain is/was one of main centre of serbian mafias. ZENUN (one of most powerful criminal groups in Europe, also were participants of Srebenica genocide, Croatian and Kosovo war) and Arkan/Milosevic.

Drugs, prostitutios, murders in Spain came from this group ZENUN/Arkan supported by their president Milosevic.

In Spain you can find mafias from everywhere.

[Lemon Kush]

Why? Who do they want to conquer with such a grandiose scheme?

Populations are easier to control when they are divided. They want the Muslims in constant conflict with the Christians in the region. Kosovo also has many reserves of coal, lead, zinc lignite, bauxite and nickel. Furthermore spreading there geopolitical influence in the region.

[Loki]

Populations are easier to control when they are divided. They want the Muslims in constant conflict with the Christians in the region. Kosovo also has many of coal, lead, zinc lignite, bauxite and nickel.

Who are "they"? The reptilian shapeshifters?

[Arbërori]

Serbs criminality has a limit, this blessed lady has raised the voice when it was most needed.

She's a freaking legend, you Serbs barking like usually & she doesn't give a flying fuck. :lol:

That ladies and gentlemen, is what I call an independant and successful woman! :wink

[Arbërori]

The U.S. did everything in its power to dissolve Yugoslavia as well as funding terrorists to cause instability in the region. One of the reasons they wanted to see the fall of Yugoslavia was because of its neutral status. It was trading with both NATO and the Eastern Bloc.

Haha, I would rather ask myself why the Macedonians hate their Bulgarian brethren? I'm sorry if your own people don't want to be part of your country, but Kosovo is a completely different story.

I see the Baluartization has begun. :lol:

[Arbërori]

The U.S. did everything in its power to dissolve Yugoslavia as well as funding terrorists to cause instability in the region. One of the reasons they wanted to see the fall of Yugoslavia was because of its neutral status. It was trading with both NATO and the Eastern Bloc.

The US didn't give a flying fuck about Yugoslavia, until it started killing innocent people. The KLA were far from terrorists, you assimilated yank. :wink

Yugoslavia wasn't that relevant to begin with, just a multi-ethnic state, which went down the same way it became somewhat successful = the people in it.

[Lemon Kush]

Haha, I would rather ask myself why the Macedonians hate their Bulgarian brethren? I'm sorry if your own people don't want to be part of your country, but Kosovo is a completely different story.

I see the Baluartization has begun. :lol:

Macedonians don't want to be Bulgarians or think of themselves of Bulgarians because of Serbian propaganda. They were assimilated with them because they were both part of Yugoslavia. The Macedonian language is essentially Bulgarian with a different dialect and a few Serbian loanwords. As for Kosovo.. That was always and historically a Serbian land/territory but because of the incredibly high birthrates of Albanians there they have overrun it and have become the majority population.

[StonyArabia]

Who cares what that whore says.

[Arbërori]

Macedonians don't want to be Bulgarians or think of themselves of Bulgarians because of Serbian propaganda. They were assimilated with them because they were both part of Yugoslavia. The Macedonian language is essentially Bulgarian with a different dialect and a few Serbian loanwords. As for Kosovo.. That was always and historically a Serbian land/territory but because of the incredibly high birthrates of Albanians there they have overrun it and have become the majority population.


Who cares, they hate you. If Kosovo is Serb land, then Belgrade is Hungarian.

[dralos]

Macedonians don't want to be Bulgarians or think of themselves of Bulgarians because of Serbian propaganda. They were assimilated with them because they were both part of Yugoslavia. The Macedonian language is essentially Bulgarian with a different dialect and a few Serbian loanwords. As for Kosovo.. That was always and historically a Serbian land/territory but because of the incredibly high birthrates of Albanians there they have overrun it and have become the majority population.

if i were you i should be worried about turks and gypsies in your country instead of defending serbia here

[Arbërori]

Who cares what that whore says.

Spoken like a true Arab.

[Lemon Kush]

Who cares, they hate you. If Kosovo is Serb land, then Belgrade is Hungarian.

Divide and conquer duh! Did you not get the meaning behind my previous posts?

[Lemon Kush]

if i were you i should be worried about turks and gypsies in your country instead of defending serbia here

Yes the smelly gypsies are widespread all throughout the country. Even more problematic is their high birthrates and the low birthrates of Bulgarians. Turks are only significant amount in certain regions such as Kardzhali and Razgrad making them less widespread than gypsies but still the second largest minority in Bulgaria with significant political power as well. Luckily the region I'm from in Bulgaria (Northwest) has one of the lowest Turkish populations in the whole country. How am I defending Serbia? If you look at my posts I've been critical of Serbia and Serbians on many occasions. I am merely stating my opinion and the opinion of most if not all Bulgarians regarding Kosovo.

[Twistedmind]

You catch moment when Arberorir is not online. Priceless :laugh:

[Dacul]

This idiot jew did not knew the real character of serbians,who have plenty of blood from old dacians (think they have most,not romanians) and germanics.
This cowardly attacks against serbians,against civilians objectives from there actually awoke serbians and they are going now very well.
They showed they are real warriors .
Now Albright I guess is very butt hurt,cause they did not adopted instead the classical jewish method of making the nation a bunch of idiots with low quality movies,music and so on produced in US and conquer it after,by economic methods.

[Dacul]

And I do not really understand,how bombing Serbia civilian objectives helped Albania?
:rofl:
This Albright is a complete idiot.

[Minesweeper]

Bombing showed one thing, that Serbs are so intelligent they can shoot down aircraft based on stealth technology with obsolete Soviet technology from the 60's. ;)

[dado]

i dont see why did they have to bomb serbia because of albanians..they didnt do it because of croats or us so why albanians..they got them selves another state as a gift