Albion's FTDNA results

[Albion]

So FTDNA finally gave me my raw data and I've run it through a few calculators. Here are the results.

Haplogroup:

R1b1a2a1a1a4 which appears to be a branch of R1b-U106 (http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S21.gif) and is associated with Germanic migrations.

DIY Dodecad V3 analysis:

Gedmatch seems to be down :(. Here are my results from DIY Dodecd V3:



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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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12.05% East_European
54.70% West_European
23.49% Mediterranean
0.16% Neo_African
8.25% West_Asian
1.20% South_Asian
0.11% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% East_African
0.01% Southwest_Asian
0.04% Northwest_African
0.00% Palaeo_African

90.24% European (East + West Euro + Med), or 98.49% if you count West Asian as European (I do, since most of it in Europe is Neolithic).

Anyone recommend any other calculators I should run the results through?

[Jackson]

So FTDNA finally gave me my raw data and I've run it through a few calculators. Here are the results.

Haplogroup:

R1b1a2a1a1a4 which appears to be a branch of R1b-U106 (http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S21.gif) and is associated with Germanic migrations.

DIY Dodecad V3 analysis:

Gedmatch seems to be down :(. Here are my results from DIY Dodecd V3:



90.24% European (East + West Euro + Med), or 98.49% if you count West Asian as European (I do, since most of it in Europe is Neolithic).

Anyone recommend any other calculators I should run the results through?

EUtest EUtest EUtest!

Looks quite Germanic actually.

[Albion]

EUtest EUtest EUtest!

Looks quite Germanic actually.

I've downloaded the files from here (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQNnRNamU5cVhrTW8/edit), but how do I run them?

[Kazimiera]

Gedmatch be damned! :shakefist

How dare they be down when you get your results?

[Atlantic Islander]

Run all the calculators you can find!

[Maleficent]

Congratulations on your results!:thumb001:

[Oneandonly]

So FTDNA finally gave me my raw data and I've run it through a few calculators. Here are the results.

Haplogroup:

R1b1a2a1a1a4 which appears to be a branch of R1b-U106 (http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S21.gif) and is associated with Germanic migrations.

DIY Dodecad V3 analysis:

Gedmatch seems to be down :(. Here are my results from DIY Dodecd V3:



90.24% European (East + West Euro + Med), or 98.49% if you count West Asian as European (I do, since most of it in Europe is Neolithic).

Anyone recommend any other calculators I should run the results through?
What is Neo-African?

[arcticwolf]

So FTDNA finally gave me my raw data and I've run it through a few calculators. Here are the results.

Haplogroup:

R1b1a2a1a1a4 which appears to be a branch of R1b-U106 (http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-S21.gif) and is associated with Germanic migrations.

DIY Dodecad V3 analysis:

Gedmatch seems to be down :(. Here are my results from DIY Dodecd V3:



90.24% European (East + West Euro + Med), or 98.49% if you count West Asian as European (I do, since most of it in Europe is Neolithic).

Anyone recommend any other calculators I should run the results through?

Isn't that the average in your part of the continent though?

[Albion]

What is Neo-African?

No idea.


Isn't that the average in your part of the continent though?

Yes.

[Graham]

When you get the chance post up the K36. I'm doing a pda map & want to put you in.. It's going well for splitting regions..

EUtest is great also..Not a fan of Dodecad as much as Eurogenes.

My parents should get their results within a week. :)

[Albion]

When you get the chance post up the K36. I'm doing a pda map & want to put you in.. It's going well for splitting regions..

EUtest is great also..Not a fan of Dodecad as much as Eurogenes.

My parents should get their results within a week. :)

What's k36 and how do I run my results through Eurogenes? Gedmatch is down, I gather I have to use that?

[Graham]

You can run it through Gedmatch on Eurogenes. It can also be done through DIYDodecad. But takes forever to load. So I recommend that you wait for it to return. Hopefully Sunday.

K36 Means 36 World Clusters. Rather than say 11,12 or 13.

[Albion]

EU test:

12.61% SOUTH_BALTIC
14.57% EAST_EURO
26.75% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
29.88% ATLANTIC
8.82% WEST_MED
2.03% EAST_MED
4.80% WEST_ASIAN
0.04% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.51% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.00% WEST_AFRICAN

According to Jackson (who kindly ran the data for me):


It looks decidedly western British but also very northern for British too - Your Mediterranean scores and East Euro score are similar to those in Scandinavia, but you are Atlantic dominated, have more East Euro than South Baltic and a reasonable level of West Asian all of which are more typical of the Irish. So yeah you look 100% British, and more north-western than anything else, although judging by your high east Euro and low Mediterranean scores you either happened to have retained more archaic (Polako labels it as 'hunter gatherer') ancestry or it is due to Scandinavian influence.

[Graham]

Compared to mine..You score some more ancestry down the Middle East side.. Like East Med & West Asian. I don't get either of them. You're a lot more Southern that I am.

http://imageshack.us/a/img4/3564/jtestmapssmall.png

Edit: I score East Med.

[Graham]

Compare yourself to the these scores I made Albion, it'll help a small bit.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?70027-Eurogenes-EUtest-amp-Jtest-for-Southern-Europeans&p=1349953&viewfull=1#post1349953

[Albion]

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2112/eutestrunalbion.png
I cluster with Scandinavian and British members, looks closer to Danish to me.

[Jackson]

Anyone know where the K36 files can be found?

[Jackson]

Compared to mine..You score some more ancestry down the Middle East side.. Like East Med & West Asian. I don't get either of them. You're a lot more Southern that I am.


Edit: I score East Med.

He's less southern than all the British and Danish included in the run i think, although more West Asian i think.

[Albion]

Dodecad globe13:

0.01% Siberian
0.01% Amerindian
0.13% West_African
0.01% Palaeo_African
1.43% Southwest_Asian
0.00% East_Asian
31.92% Mediterranean
0.01% Australasian
0.81% Arctic
7.85% West_Asian
56.43% North_European
1.39% South_Asian
0.00% East_African

[Atlantic Islander]

Anyone know where the K36 files can be found?

Here. (http://www.mediafire.com/?q4k6nloy6x0sobz)

[Albion]

From Jackson:


This is an interesting conundrum. The problem is that on the one hand you look very Scandinavian on the PCA, when we look at your results this is mainly due to the fact you are abnormally northern. I don't know whether this is due to you retaining a lot of older ancestry (so it has had less input from foreign incomers from the neolithic until now) as basically the main thing that disintuingishes us from Scandinavians is that we are basically a bit more west Asian/Mediterranean versions of them (they retain more of the older ancestry). So if you retained more of this, you would be closer to them automatically, however this could have also come from more recent invaders (Ie Angles) who carry more of this than we do generally speaking. However it is confusing because all the Scandinavians I've seen bar Pallantides, have significantly higher North Central Euro scores than Atlantic (Usually about 28-32 North Central Euro and 25-28 Atlantic) so you would expect to also have this as your primary component. Also the Germans and Dutch and English usually have higher South Baltic than East Euro (although i guess this is not always the case), while the Scandinavians for the most part sometimes have higher south Baltic, sometimes higher East Euro - Which is why your east Euro/south Baltic looks more Nordic than Germanic if you know what i mean. This combination of Atlantic domination along with higher east Euro/South Baltic makes it looks more like it is due to either a lot of Scandinavian input but not much German/Dutch input, and that you just ended up remaining Atlantic dominated despite this, or that it is much older admixture that has been retained better in your family.
For example one or two of the Irish people in the Eurogenes project seem to plot further east than their countrymen, and one of the ones in Graham's plot ends up further northeast than the Danish, probably due to similar factors, which moves the Irish average east, so it is close to the Danish one.

So I honestly don't know, but what would be interesting is to see what your 'Gedrosia' admixture is like, this peaks in NW Europe in the Irish, British and other western Europeans, although it is higher in the Irish than in the English. That could also be handy in this regard, but yeah it is confusing and interesting. But basically you are very northern British, more so than Graham for example, and more than all my family.

I still don't understand how the Atlantic coast of Europe ended up being more Gedrosian than the rest of Europe though. What is it exactly?

http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/gedrovscauca.jpg

[Albion]

K36 results:

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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
0.01% Armenian
3.20% Basque
0.00% Central_African
3.41% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
2.38% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
7.09% East_Central_Euro
0.00% East_Med
5.78% Eastern_Euro
10.83% Fennoscandian
9.79% French
12.89% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
6.61% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
18.21% North_Atlantic
2.26% North_Caucasian
16.65% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.12% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
0.78% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian
0.00% West_Med

[Albion]

Dodecad Globe 10

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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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0.15% Amerindian
8.45% West_Asian
0.00% Australasian
0.01% Palaeo_African
0.13% Neo_African
0.98% Siberian
9.29% Southern
0.00% East_Asian
78.55% Atlantic_Baltic
2.43% South_Asian

[Jackson]

From Jackson:



I still don't understand how the Atlantic coast of Europe ended up being more Gedrosian than the rest of Europe though. What is it exactly?

http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p515/aphetor/gedrovscauca.jpg

I don't know, it's odd but it seems to correlate to some extent with R1b, but not perfectly.

[Graham]

To give a quick glean of the map I'm constructing Albion. Off K36. You sit close to a Dutchman. Whereas Jacksons Gran sits next to Northern France. I push closer to Norway/Denmark.

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/6794/mapfx.png

[Albion]

Gedmatch oracle results (Jackson ran them for me).


Just uploaded your file to GEDmatch, heres your results with oracle. Started with EUtest. Here it seems to favour you as Orcadian overall, so north east of the Irish and north west of the English basically. The Irish + Eastern European is just a way of it trying to explain your higher than average east Euro score.

1 ATLANTIC 29.88
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.74
3 EAST_EURO 14.57
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.61
5 WEST_MED 8.83
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.82
7 EAST_MED 2.03
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.52

1 Orcadian 2.55
2 IE 2.77
3 Scottish 3.39
4 Cornish 4.9
5 DK 5.38
6 English 5.81
7 NL 5.86
8 NO 6.58
9 West_&_Central_German 6.68
10 South_&_Central_Swedish 7.66
11 North_Swedish 10.27
12 AT 13.25
13 FR 13.85
14 HU 18.17
15 South_Finnish 18.91
16 Serbian 20.61
17 PT 21.11
18 ES 21.12
19 PL 22.06
20 RO 23.68



Wow, so closer to Orcadians, Irish, Scottish, Cornish and Danes than the English? Very odd. My maternal side is rather Irish whilst paternal side is rural English, so I guess Germanic.



1) 83.3% IE + 16.7% North_Swedish @ 1.89
2) 92.2% IE + 7.8% East_Finnish @ 1.89
3) 90.4% IE + 9.6% South_Finnish @ 1.9
4) 93.5% IE + 6.5% North_Russian @ 1.93
5) 93.6% IE + 6.4% Erzya @ 1.95
6) 93.2% IE + 6.8% East_Russian @ 2.01
7) 90.5% Scottish + 9.5% East_Russian @ 2.01
8) 94.5% IE + 5.5% Udmurt @ 2.05
9) 78.9% Scottish + 21.1% North_Swedish @ 2.05
10) 91.3% Scottish + 8.7% North_Russian @ 2.06
11) 95.5% Orcadian + 4.5% Udmurt @ 2.06
12) 91.5% Scottish + 8.5% Erzya @ 2.09
13) 93.1% IE + 6.9% EE @ 2.12
14) 95.3% Orcadian + 4.7% Erzya @ 2.13
15) 94.9% IE + 5.1% Komi @ 2.13
16) 90% Scottish + 10% East_Finnish @ 2.14
17) 93.6% IE + 6.4% Ukrainian-Russian @ 2.16
18) 93.3% IE + 6.7% West_Russian @ 2.17
19) 94.3% IE + 5.7% Northwest_Russian @ 2.18
20) 95.5% Orcadian + 4.5% North_Russian @ 2.18

Your top results from the Oracle 4:

1 50% Orcadian +50% Orcadian @ 2.955

1 50% Scottish +25% IE +25% North_Swedish @ 2.222

1 IE + North_Swedish + Scottish + Scottish @ 2.222

Oracle x option 1:
1 Scottish 64.05%
2 DK 23.42%
3 IE 4.64%
4 Udmurt 4.39%
5 French_Basque 1.19%
6 Lezgin 1.18%
7 Erzya 1.10%
8 Orcadian 0.02%

Oracle x option 2:
1 Orcadian 86.77%
2 IE 5.09%
3 Scottish 3.39%
4 Udmurt 2.55%
5 Komi 1.85%
6 Erzya 0.23%
7 DK 0.11%

I'll send MDLP World 22 results in the next one. Although the Oracle seems to be off for that, the results might be more accurate for you i dunno.

[Albion]

Actually MDLP was being boring and just gave you similar inaccurate results to a lot of the rest of us. All British come out as German on that and very few actually come out as British, and the Oracle is messed up. But Dodecad K12b is quite decent, i find it to be relatively accurate. It's not as precise as EUtest because it doesn't really break up the north Euro stuff that well, but it is alright. Although it does include Gedrosia, which is useful for NW Europeans. Here, although you are high on the Atlantic, you are low on the Mediterranean, so your Atlantic-Med comes out quite low and you are more northern the average, which is consistent.

1 North_European 45.48
2 Atlantic_Med 37.57
3 Gedrosia 10.38
4 Caucasus 5.86
5 South_Asian 0.32
6 Siberian 0.25
7 Sub_Saharan 0.13

1 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 1.69
2 Dutch (Dodecad) 1.9
3 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 4.32
4 English (Dodecad) 4.57
5 Kent (1000Genomes) 4.74 (paternal side ultimately comes from there)
6 British_Isles (Dodecad) 5.7
7 Argyll (1000Genomes) 6.36
8 Orkney (1000Genomes) 6.71
9 German (Dodecad) 6.88
10 Orcadian (HGDP) 7.04
11 Irish (Dodecad) 7.11
12 British (Dodecad) 7.13
13 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 7.25
14 Norwegian (Dodecad) 10.21
15 French (Dodecad) 10.56
16 French (HGDP) 11.16
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 12.27
18 Hungarians (Behar) 15.16
19 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 23.71
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 24.56

1) 88.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 11.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 0.68
2) 95.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 4.1% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 0.71
3) 96.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.9% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 0.72
4) 87.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 12.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 0.8
5) 96.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.8% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 0.82
6) 96.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 3.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 0.89
7) 97.1% Dutch (Dodecad) + 2.9% Lezgins (Behar) @ 0.94
8) 95.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 4.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 0.95
9) 97.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 2.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 0.96
10) 95.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 4.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.02
11) 96% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.03
12) 95.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 4.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.03
13) 94.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 5.1% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.04
14) 97.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 2.5% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.05
15) 95.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 4.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.06
16) 97.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 2.5% Adygei (HGDP) @ 1.06
17) 97.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 2.5% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.06
18) 97.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 2.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.08
19) 97% Dutch (Dodecad) + 3% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 1.1
20) 98% Dutch (Dodecad) + 2% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.18

[Albion]

Forgot to post Oracle 4 and Oracle x in last message for Dodecad K12b, here they are:

1 50% Dutch +50% Mixed_Germanic @ 1.479

1 50% Mixed_Germanic +25% Argyll +25% German @ 0.813

1 Argyll + German + Mixed_Germanic + Mixed_Germanic @ 0.813

Oracle x option 1:

1 Mixed_Germanic 81.44%
2 CEU30 13.79%
3 FIN30 4.37%
4 Lezgins 0.18%
5 Pulliyar 0.17%
6 Jatt 0.03%
7 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh 0.02%

Oracle x option 2:

1 Mixed_Germanic 80.11%
2 Finnish 3.90%
3 Irish 3.57%
4 FIN30 3.48%
5 French_Basque 2.95%
6 Chuvashs 2.80%
7 Valencia 2.78%
8 Andalucia 0.30%
9 Jatt 0.11%
10 Lithuanians 0.01%

[Jackson]

Yeah i think it favours you being closer to Irish/Scottish etc because it in terms of which components dominate and in what order you are the same as them, except you are more 'eastern European' (basically more northeastern). However, if you had North Central Euro dominating rather than Atlantic it would almost certainly favour you as English + Scandinavian/Eastern European. So while EUtest has a higher resolution, in reality Irish + eastern European would probably put you in a similar place to the English + Eastern European/Scandinavian. You could always draw a line on the map for example between Ireland and northern Sweden and than mark it just over 1/8th of the way up, would probably put you in northern England or the north Sea, which might make more sense based on your ancestry?

All that said i don't know how normal or abnormal it is for English people to be Atlantic-dominated but it must happen a fair bit as you get closer to Ireland and Scotland. So if you are predominantly northern English with a quarter Irish it might explain why this is.

Edit: In your case it might be that the K12b makes more sense for you, but i guess you should take your pick. They seem to be different ways of explaining the same thing. I guess Mixed Germanic (which is pretty similar to Dutch i think) plus a bit of Irish and Finnish (so i guess just north of the average) is similar to Irish + northern Swedish if you think about it. Of course it can't detect that you are Atlantic dominated, but the Atlantic component is basically a slightly more Mediterraneanised version of the North Central Euro component.

[Albion]

Overall then, am I more Atlantic or Northern Euro?

[Jackson]

Overall then, am I more Atlantic or Northern Euro?

Both, at the far northern end of the Atlantic spectrum, or at the far Atlantic end of the northern spectrum.

[Albion]

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1821/5qq.gif

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3786/phq.gif

[MfA_]

Where is the numbers?

[Albion]

Where is the numbers?

Earlier in the thread.

[Albion]

This is an interesting conundrum. The problem is that on the one hand you look very Scandinavian on the PCA, when we look at your results this is mainly due to the fact you are abnormally northern.

Abnormally Northern... I like that label. :D

Here's my Eurogenes K10 chart.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2969/l2m.gif

[Jackson]

Abnormally Northern... I like that label. :D

Here's my Eurogenes K10 chart.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2969/l2m.gif

Must be that old Watford gap divide again. :P