The most "Northern" phenotypical influence -- Maltese, Sicilians, Calabrese, Greeks, or Andalusians?

[Sikeliot]

This is multiple choice.

Ultimately these are the most "southern" of all Europeans. Who, would you say, has the most Northern influence phenotypically -- be it northeastern, northwestern, central European, etc.


Sicilians:

Eastern Sicily:
Catania:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15264

Enna:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?p=186990

Messina:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14026

Western Sicily:
Palermo:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=373

Trapani:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10863

Agrigento:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=374




Greeks:

Mainland Greece:
Epirus:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?p=196081

Peloponnese:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?p=209453

Macedonia:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?p=160692

Islander Greeks:
Corfu:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2990

Crete:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3671

Rhodes:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?p=185594



Maltese:

Gozo:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8113

Malta:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4199



Calabrese:

Vibo Valentia:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8798

Crotone:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=567

Reggio Calabria:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=566



Andalusians:

Jaén:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9880

Malaga:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10148

Almeria:
http://www.anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1298

Cadiz:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6935

[Sikeliot]

I'd say this, in order from most to least:

1) Andalusian Spaniards
2) Mainland Greeks
3) Western Sicily
4) Malta
5) Eastern Sicily
6) Greek islanders
7) Calabria

[Slycooper]

Add Maderian Portugese. Technically the southernmost point of Portugal. Which is europe.

[Vasconcelos]

Add Maderian Portugese. Technically the southernmost point of Portugal. Which is europe.

No, Madeirans have people originally from all over the mainland.

[Sikeliot]

Add Maderian Portugese. Technically the southernmost point of Portugal. Which is europe.

Most of their ancestry is from Minho, in northern Portugal.

[Vasconcelos]

Most of their ancestry is from Minho, in northern Portugal.

Uh, where did you get this from?

[Sikeliot]

Uh, where did you get this from?

I've seen it all over these boards.

[Archduke]

Mainland Greeks.

[Vasconcelos]

I've seen it all over these boards.

It's actually documented that at least the first inhabitants were mostly from the Algarve, but as expected there are people from all over the mainland.

[riverman]

mainland greeks if your going by individuals

[Slycooper]

No, Madeirans have people originally from all over the mainland.

I just most southernmost europeans and technically Madeirans are the southernmost. But it's true they are Portuguese and everyone else on the list are not ethnic groups so nvm.

[Sikeliot]

You guys can interpret the question however you want -- either greatest number of individuals with northern influence, or the collective.

[Slycooper]

The Spaniards.

[Sikeliot]

Oh. and I forgot to mention it is multiple choice. Peyrol was the only one to notice :p

[Sikeliot]

Also if anyone wants to try ranking the seven groups in a list, that'd be informative.

[BLUEU]

Andalusians.

[Gaijin]

It's actually documented that at least the first inhabitants were mostly from the Algarve, but as expected there are people from all over the mainland.

O arquipelago da Madeira foi inicialmente povoado por uma pequena população Nobre.
No entanto, o grande influxo veio maioritariamente do Minho e Algarve.
O próprio sotaque Madeirense tem raíz Minhota.
Aliás, talvez a melhor traço deixado e continuado pelos Minhotos na Ilha da Madeira foi o Cavaquinho, ainda usado nas danças e festas folclóricas Madeirenses.
Isto observavel até no Hawaii, onde imigrantes Madeirenses introduziram esse mesmo instrumento Minhoto, que conhecemos hoje em dia de 'Ukelele'.



I just most southernmost europeans and technically Madeirans are the southernmost. But it's true they are Portuguese and everyone else on the list are not ethnic groups so nvm.

Actually, the Southernmost Europeans are the Canarian people.

[Newsboy]

Mainland Greeks are far from the most Southern Europeans. They are geographically the most Northern out of those 7 choices. Actually Northern Greece has the latitude of Central Italy. Canarians are the Southernmost Europeans, living in a latitude much further south than anywhere in Greece or Italy. Andalusians don't differ much from other Spaniards. Western Sicily is not SE Europe (it has the same longitude as Lazio and Romagna).

Back on topic, the most Northern phenotypical influenced would be Andalusians, Greeks (mainland and islanders), and (Western) Sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

So what this reveals is eastern Sicilians and Calabrese as the least "northern" (which is what I suspected) and western Sicilians, mainland Greeks, and Andalusians as the most.

[Sikeliot]

bump

[Chieftain]

I'd say this, in order from most to least:

1) Andalusian Spaniards
2) Mainland Greeks
3) Western Sicily
4) Malta
5) Eastern Sicily
6) Greek islanders
7) Calabria

Perfect ranking, I could not agree more, even though the first place is desputed between mainland greeks and Andalusian Spaniards.

Also, greek islanders would be above Eastern Sicily in my opinion.

[Sikeliot]

Perfect ranking, I could not agree more, even though the first place is desputed between mainland greeks and Andalusian Spaniards.

Also, greek islanders would be above Eastern Sicily in my opinion.

I was debating which of them to put first, I could have put it either way. Either way the one I am completely sure of is that eastern Sicily, Greek islanders (possibly excluding Crete) and Calabrese are the darkest three, with Calabria as the darkest also in features.. a lot of Calabrese have an Armenoid influence, including many of the famous Italian Americans of Calabrese descent (Leon Panetta, Stanley Tucci, Ray Romano, etc).

[Ianus]

They are geographically the most Northern out of those 7 choices. Actually Northern Greece has the latitude of Central Italy

False, Northen Greece is at the same latitude of Campania, Basilicata and Puglia.

Thus we see:

In Andalusia there were Vandals between 409 and 428 circa, they were circa 80.000 in total but they come out immediately to leave a tangible sign.

In Sicily there were Normans, but they weren't more than 4-5.000. There were also settlements from North Italy in Sicily

In Greece there were some Slave settlements during the VII century, however i don't know how much they were and how nordic they were.

[Sikeliot]

There were also settlements from North Italy in Sicily

Their descendants are the Gallo-Italic speaking populations that still exist today.

[Damião de Góis]

In Andalusia there were Vandals between 409 and 428 circa, they were circa 80.000 in total but they come out immediately to leave a tangible sign.


They left because of the arrival of the Visigoths.

[ChocolateFace]

Voted Western Sicilian and Greek mainland.

[Ibericus]

Andalusians, obviously.

[Ianus]

They left because of the arrival of the Visigoths.

Could be, however if i'm not wrong Visigoth at this time were in South France, Aquitania.

Seems also that in Africa there were a rebellion against the emperor, and Vandals could be called to support the rebellion.

[Damião de Góis]

Could be, however if i'm not wrong Visigoth at this time were in South France, Aquitania.

Seems also that in Africa there were a rebellion against the emperor, and Vandals could be called to support the rebellion.

Suebi, Vandals and Alans were all crushed by the Visigoths, who then controlled the whole peninsula. The Vandals didn't just decide to leave, they were chased away.

[Roy]

Judging by pictures of Madeirans provided by Sikeliot it could be them. But one shouldn't generalise on a base of some random pcitures.

[Damião de Góis]

Judging by pictures of Madeirans provided by Sikeliot it could be them. But one shouldn't generalise on a base of some random pcitures.

The ones i couldn't identify as portuguese? I don't think some of these guess threads should serve as guide to anything. Especially the ones posted by foreigners.
They may be fun to guess, but most of the times the people assembled together could never be an average group in real life. Native people have the sensibility to see this, foreigners don't.