Should gypsies be banned from the West?

[alfieb]

Since there are polls about the Jews and Muslims, here's one for the elephant in the room.

Unlike with Jews and Muslims, where most Muslims and Jews are good law-abiding people, most gypsies aren't.

[dralos]

yes i would like to add bann from whole europe

[alfieb]

REMOVE KEBAB CURRY (or whatever those things eat)

[Kastrioti1443]

From West..... what the hell man, only Albania with a population of 3.1 million people has more than 500,000 darkskined people.... 350,000 gypsies and 150,000 ciganis and these fucking ciganis are getting all assimilated.

The northern catholic highlanders with find a solution, but I think it will be too late.....

[baraSYR]

I see BBC decumentaty about them, their origin back to India. Why you don't give them piece of land in Europe nearly free of European like Isreal and everyone will be happy :p

[SkyBurn]

My god, what are these threads? :confused:

You can't just 'ban' things as deeply rooted as these!

[The Lawspeaker]

Some are decent human beings (and they can be kept here among us and assimilated) but the majority isn't. Suspend all Dutch Railways operations tonight for a full 24 hours and get the trains rolling to Europoort. Let's load up the freighters and send them off to India.

[alfieb]

My god, what are these threads? :confused:

You can't just 'ban' things as deeply rooted as these!

Sure you can.

http://haroldgibbons.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/300-kick.gif

The banhammer

[baraSYR]

Some are decent human beings (and they can be kept here among us and assimilated) but the majority isn't. Let's load up the freighters and send them off to India.

what about Gypsistan :rolleyes: ?

[The Lawspeaker]

what about Gypsistan :rolleyes: ?
They can have one in India.

[SKYNET]

Should gypsies be banned from the West?

why not? Yes yes yes

[Hayalet]

350,000 gypsies and 150,000 ciganis
What's the difference between the two?

[Kastrioti1443]

There are 2 kind of darksined people..... gypsyes and ciganis... the ciganis are smart and they are not as dark as gypsies and they assimilate..... a lot of these ciganis have migrated as '' albanians'' in the west.

[baraSYR]

They can have one in India.

but jews can have it in the heart of the levant :confused: !? just support the palestinians against what you don't wish to happen in Europe friend.

[The Lawspeaker]

but jews can have it in the heart of the levant :confused: !? just support the palestinians against what you don't wish to happen in Europe friend.
I don't care whatever happens in India as long as we get rid of them.

[Zmey Gorynych]

My god, what are these threads? :confused:
... a sign of racial awareness or traditional values or just values :)

[wvwvw]

I see BBC decumentaty about them, their origin back to India. Why you don't give them piece of land in Europe nearly free of European like Isreal and everyone will be happy :p

What makes you think that if you give them a piece of land they still wouldn't want to emigrate to the West? :D

[baraSYR]

I don't care whatever happens in India as long as we get rid of them.

You know How we feel then :D.

[Szegedist]

Not all Gypsies are bad, I would keep a few violin players, some assimilated Gypsies or half Gypsies who live a normal life can stay. But the ones who live in ghettos such as this one
http://m.cdn.blog.hu/sr/srbija/image/karton%20siti/gaz.JPG
http://www.buongiornoslovacchia.sk/wp-content/uploads/lunik_ix_kosice.jpg


First, make them clean up their own mess (it is possible to make Gypsies work), and then deport them.

[alfieb]

Ausweisung macht frei.

[The Lawspeaker]

You know How we feel then :D.
Tough shit. :)

[baraSYR]

What makes you think that if you give them a piece of land they still wouldn't want to emigrate to the West? :D

You will build something like this :D
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[The Lawspeaker]

You will build something like this :D
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We'll get ourselves one of those !

[Baluarte]

Give them Kashmyr so they can a homeland. At the same time that would ease tensions between India and Pakistan since theirs would be a buffer State.

Kashmyr is also in Northern India (origin of the Roma). On the meantime keep them segregated as it has always been the tradition.

[Kastrioti1443]

lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ9HHrxM5oA

[Szegedist]

lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ9HHrxM5oA

I think those are Irish gypsies, a different kind to Romanis.

[Szegedist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiTE3tfe7qM

original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRD3at4XGp0

[Kastrioti1443]

I think those are Irish gypsies, a different kind to Romanis.

how many gypsies there are man???? we have 2 kinds in Albania

[Wolverine]

What makes you think that if you give them a piece of land they still wouldn't want to emigrate to the West? :D
What about setting up a huge wall? ;)

[Damião de Góis]

It's hard to accept that they have arrived here in the 15th century, and still to this day aren't integrated in society and speak with a foreign accent.

[Kastrioti1443]

It's hard to accept that they have arrived here in the 15th century, and still to this day aren't integrated in society and speak with a foreign accent.

don't you think that is better like that???

[Szegedist]

how many gypsies there are man???? we have 2 kinds in Albania

The Irish gypsies are white, they just live a traveling caravan lifestyle, live in makeshift ghettos, white trash basically.

Then there are the other Gypsies , dark skinned ones which come from India, they branch off into Romanichal,Manush, Sinti, Kale, Romungro etc.

[Zmey Gorynych]

how many gypsies there are man???? we have 2 kinds in Albania
Sorry to burst your bubble but there is only one kind of gypsies (assimilated or not) - the oven material kind :)

[alfieb]

What about setting up a huge wall? ;)

Either one with barbed wire, electricity, a moat, cannons, sharks, or nothing at all.

[Kastrioti1443]

The Irish gypsies are white, they just live a traveling caravan lifestyle, live in makeshift ghettos, white trash basically.

Then there are the other Gypsies which come from India, they branch off into Romanichal,Manush, Sinti, Kale, etc.

Man we have more than 150,000 ciganis that are being greately asimilated ..... in kosovo is evan worse.... these that we have are dark

[Kastrioti1443]

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is only one kind of gypsies (assimilated or not) - the oven material kind :)

we have 2 kinds, I know these better than you... you can't tell me what are in my country, ciganis are not gypsies, or proper gypsies

[Szegedist]

Man we have more than 150,000 ciganis that are being greately asimilated ..... in kosovo is evan worse.... these that we have are dark

In Hungary its something between 500 000 to 1 million Gypsies, or 5-10% of the population.
Majority of them are unemployed, uneducated, live criminal lives in disease filled ghettos, welfare suckers, and studies show more than half of them are also inbred.

[Damião de Góis]

don't you think that is better like that???

If they want to be here, they must integrate in society and pay taxes like everyone else, if not, they should be deported... if someone said this publicly they would be accused of racism and not respecting other people's cultures. I think it's them who don't respect our culture.

[Kastrioti1443]

In Hungary its something between 500 000 to 1 million Gypsies, or 5-10% of the population.
Majority of them are unemployed, uneducated, live criminal lives in disease filled ghettos, welfare suckers, and studies show more than half of them are also inbred.

these subhumans we have are not proper gypsies..... they are called ashkali, and they are not as dark as roma, but they greately assimilate, esepcially these last 30 years and this is very very bad..... at least the ones in hungary do not infect your blood

[Kastrioti1443]

If they want to be here, they must integrate in society and pay taxes like everyone else, if not, they should be deported... if someone said this publicly they would be accused of racism and not respecting other people's cultures. I think it's them who don't respect our culture.

I agree ... let's deport them.

[Vasconcelos]

If they want to be here, they must integrate in society and pay taxes like everyone else, if not, they should be deported... if someone said this publicly they would be accused of racism and not respecting other people's cultures. I think it's them who don't respect our culture.

And yet many of the get Government subsidies.

My gf's father (he worked as GNR) once spotted a gypsy getting his subsidy while driving a new 5 series BMW. On the other end of the stick are people like my uncle, who worked without being paid for 8 months, and the Government didn't want to pay him his unemployment benefits after the company went bankrupt. Fortunetly they decided to pay him, after one or two months. Oh, and he gets only above 300€/month now. Great.

[Sikeliot]

Yes. They're basically Punjabi people who migrated west.

[Newsboy]

Yes. They're basically Punjabi people who migrated west.

Perhaps they are. Gitanos (gypsies) can ultimately trace their roots to Northern India (Punjab included). Nowadays they live in countries such as Spain and Greece in fairly large numbers (for a minority).

[Mortimer]

I think the other two threads were different it was about banning two religions not ethnic cleansing of a race you could as well bann christianity without deporting whites. I dont agree with the other threads either because freedom of religion is important. And no one said it is wrong

[Baluarte]

Take it in perspective.

Anglojew like a good Zionist has to bash on Islam, not on Maghrebian/Pakistani/Turkish immigration. So he asks if the cult should be banned.

In page 2 of the "Judaism should be banned?" topic, I said the question is very flawed and that it should instead be considered as "Should Jews be expelled?"

[Nicholas]

Of course!

[Wadaad]

Wow a thread calling for genocide, in a European cultural forum no less...

[alfieb]

Wow a thread calling for genocide, in a European cultural forum no less...
I'm hardly the genocide type, usually, but these subhumans are an exception.

We don't need to kill them, but get rid of them, absolutely.

[The Lawspeaker]

Wow a thread calling for genocide, in a European cultural forum no less...
Thanks for reminding me: if there is some space left on those freighters. Throw in the Somali's, the single most criminal group in the Netherlands, as well.

[Mortimer]

Take it in perspective.

Anglojew like a good Zionist has to bash on Islam, not on Maghrebian/Pakistani/Turkish immigration. So he asks if the cult should be banned.

In page 2 of the "Judaism should be banned?" topic, I said the question is very flawed and that it should instead be considered as "Should Jews be expelled?"

yes you said it but were quiete lonely with your opinion most others said something like only if christianity is banned too and the thread starter said you are nazi scum then he opens this thread.

[Sikeliot]

Wow a thread calling for genocide, in a European cultural forum no less...

Not genocide. I would have said to reincorporate them into the Punjab region.

[alfieb]

Not genocide. I would have said to reincorporate them into the Punjab region.
Mass deportation = genocide, in terms of international law.

[The Lawspeaker]

Mass deportation = genocide, in terms of international law.
It's not an indigenous population.

[Szegedist]

How about using bait for relocation, is that genocide?

[alfieb]

It's not an indigenous population.
Gray area. Their ethnogenesis as gypsies was where?

[Comte Arnau]

In Spain, specially in Andalusia, some of them are not only integrated, but are famous celebrities. Banning them would mean being twittericided by the Spanish chav community.

[Sikeliot]

Gray area. Their ethnogenesis as gypsies was where?

Imposed on them by Europeans. They are North Indians, speak a Sanskrit derived language, etc.

[Baluarte]

I'm hardly the genocide type, usually, but these subhumans are an exception.

We don't need to kill them, but get rid of them, absolutely.

click, subhuman.
Guess you've learned from Netayanhu.

Other than severely retarded people or hypothetic hominids, there are no subhumans.

Subhuman describes the nature of the being. The criminality, backwardism and poverty of gypsies comes from their actions.

Actions =/= Nature

[alfieb]

Imposed on them by Europeans. They are North Indians, speak a Sanskrit derived language, etc.
I agree with you, but we're talking international law, here.

And your standard isn't one that can be applied evenly. Maltese speak an Arabic-derived language. If the Brits mass deported them, would it have been genocide?

[The Lawspeaker]

Gray area. Their ethnogenesis as gypsies was where?
India.

[Comte Arnau]

Imposed on them by Europeans. They are North Indians, speak a Sanskrit derived language, etc.

Most of them don't any more. Specially the Kale.

And they're rather from the Rajastan, not the Punjab. The Punjab is already a too hot area, inbetween India and Pakistan, as to bring them Gypsies now there. :laugh:

[alfieb]

Send them all to the mountains of Kashmir. No laws, they can do as they wish.

[Virtuous]

The only ones that ever got to Malta made the news by trying to steal from a store, so my answer is obvious.

[Methusalem]

What about Irish travellers?

[alfieb]

What about Irish travellers?
They're fake gypsies. They speak an Irish dialect and are ethnic Irish.

The term gypsy is derived from "Egypt", as the Roma were initially thought to have originated there.

[Comte Arnau]

They're fake gypsies. They speak an Irish dialect and are ethnic Irish.

The term gypsy is derived from "Egypt", as the Roma were initially thought to have originated there.

From "Little Egypt", not Egypt. And it's true, European Gypsies came from Little Egypt.

[Amun]

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[Methusalem]

They're fake gypsies. They speak an Irish dialect and are ethnic Irish.


But they behave, smell and live like Gypsies.


The term gypsy is derived from "Egypt", as the Roma were initially thought to have originated there.

So what? Ancient Etruscans (your forefathers!!!) came from Anatolia.

[Comte Arnau]

What is little Egypt anyway?

It's the way some people called the area in Greece where most of them settled first (Crete, Corfu, the Peloponnese...). That's why when they reached Iberia, for instance, they introduced themselves as Counts from Little Egypt. Words like Gypsy or gitano certainly derive from that.

[alfieb]

But they behave, smell and live like Gypsies.
But they're native Europeans.


So what? Ancient Etruscans (your forefathers!!!) came from Anatolia.
I'm not Etruscan. They were never in Liguria or Sicily.

The point, rather, was that "gypsy" in this context only refers to the ones who originated in India.

[Mortimer]

I think gypsies are europeans too. My roots in europe are deeper then sikeliots in the usa yet he thinks he is true american while i should be in punjab. Gypsies are ocstrasised not only for their actions but basically because they are dark and thought as foreign racially which is basically racism

[The Lawspeaker]

I think gypsies are europeans too. My roots in europe are deeper then sikeliots in the usa yet he thinks he is true american while i should be in punjab. Gypsies are ocstrasised not only for their actions but basically because they are dark and thought as foreign racially which is basically racism
LOL. I think it has more to do with their inherently criminal nature.

[Peyrol]

The communist major of Milano, Giuliano Pisapia, gave € 5,000,000 to the gypsy community, so....i see hard a sinti and romani leaving of northern Italy.

[Empecinado]

First, it is necessary to cut off all the subsidies they get and cease all their illegal funding sources (drugs, robbery, etc..). After, must be created the Gypsistan state and give a pay to the Gypsies to move there, who would lose their current citizenship.

This is perfectly legal according international law and obviously is not a genocide.

[Methusalem]

But they're native Europeans.


And you are not native American. Why don't you take your chubby Sicilian ass back to Sicilia - according to your logic.


I'm not Etruscan. They were never in Liguria or Sicily.

Between the ancient Etruscans and modern day Sicilians are more than 2500 years. Do you really think that your forefathers came all from Ligurua and Sicily and didn't mixed with Italians with Etruscan ancestry from other regions? That's very unlikely.


The point, rather, was that "gypsy" in this context only refers to the ones who originated in India.

In which context? Your own context? Irish Travellers have the same reputation as Balkan gypsies. No difference.

[The Lawspeaker]

First, it is necessary to cut off all the subsidies they get and cease all their illegal funding sources (drugs, robbery, etc..). After, must be created the Gypsistan state and give a pay to the Gypsies to move there, who would lose their current citizenship.

This is perfectly legal according international law and obviously is not a genocide.
But not in Europe. Europe is for the Europeans. I would propose buying up land in India.

[Methusalem]

First, it is necessary to cut off all the subsidies they get and cease all their illegal funding sources (drugs, robbery, etc..). After, must be created the Gypsistan state and give a pay to the Gypsies to move there, who would lose their current citizenship.

This is perfectly legal according international law and obviously is not a genocide.

And where should Gypsycountry, Gypsistan or Gypsyland be placed?

[Loki]

They don't have a country of their own, so no.

[Mortimer]

LOL. I think it has more to do with their inherently criminal nature.
Is there a gene to commit crime? And alfieb said only the ones who originated in india. I think gypsies are basically seen as racial problem one albo said he hates it that there are dark people who assimilate as albanians

[Comte Arnau]

First, it is necessary to cut off all the subsidies they get and cease all their illegal funding sources (drugs, robbery, etc..). After, must be created the Gypsistan state and give a pay to the Gypsies to move there, who would lose their current citizenship.

This is perfectly legal according international law and obviously is not a genocide.

And where would you place Gypsistan? Or would it be reservations a la americana?

[alfieb]

And you are not native American. Why don't you take your chubby Sicilian ass back to Sicilia - according to your logic.
I'd be glad to, but unemployment there is as problematic as anywhere in Europe right now. Any job I managed to get would be taking money from someone who needed it more than I do.

[Szegedist]

They can be always put in Romania, they won't even have to change the name of the country, and it will be easy to adapt to a similar culture and mentality already there.

[The Lawspeaker]

Is there a gene to commit crime? And alfieb said only the ones who originated in india. I think gypsies are basically seen as racial problem one albo said he hates it that there are dark people who assimilate as albanians
You shouldn't put everything on race and claim you're a victim. They all came from India and migrated here during the Renaissance.

[Methusalem]

I'd be glad to, but unemployment there is as problematic as anywhere in Europe right now. Any job I managed to get would be taking money from someone who needed it more than I do.

Ohh how sweet. A true altruist. :rolleyes:

[alfieb]

They don't have a country of their own, so no.

And they never will, unlike the Jews. Jews are productive and able to function in civilized society. Gypos are not.

[Mortimer]

You shouldn't put everything on race and claim you're a victim. They all came from India and migrated here during the Renaissance.

im sure it is racism and if they were white they could be asocial all they like but since they are dark they are despised even if they assimilate. To me it is obvious from reading the posts.

[Loki]

And they never will, unlike the Jews. Jews are productive and able to function in civilized society. Gypos are not.

I refuse to judge every Gypsy by one standard. There is scope and place for everyone in the future.

[The Lawspeaker]

im sure it is racism and if they were white they could be asocial all they like but since they are dark they are despised even if they assimilate. To me it is obvious from reading the posts.
LOL ! :D

[Methusalem]

And they never will, unlike the Jews. Jews are productive and able to function in civilized society. Gypos are not.

Many Gypsy women work as professional sexy-time-maker. You know. Prostitution is the world's oldest profession and the hidden hub of every civilized society.

[Comte Arnau]

I refuse to judge every Gypsy by one standard. There is scope and place for everyone in the future.

For sure. I wish I had Joaquín Cortés' money! :D

[alfieb]

Many Gypsy women work as professional sexy-time-maker. You know. Prostitution is the world's oldest profession and the hidden hub of every civilized society.
Which only furthers my point that they do not belong, if that's all they are capable of.

[Methusalem]

Which only furthers my point that they do not belong, if that's all they are capable of.

Without hookers, the rapes will increase. Civilized societies need hookers to decrease rapes.

[Empecinado]

And where should Gypsycountry, Gypsistan or Gypsyland be placed?

In some area of India or surroundings, preferably one with low population. These lands would be purchased (same as USA bought Alaska to Russia).

[Comte Arnau]

In some area of India or surroundings, preferably one with low population. These lands would be purchased (same as USA bought Alaska to Russia).

I'm pretty convinced Niña Pastori, Güiza or Quaresma would so love to go there. :)

[Baluarte]

Kashmyr

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Kashmir_region_2004.jpg

[alfieb]

Kashmyr

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Kashmir_region_2004.jpg

No.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzdgU_kpGo

Kashmir.

[Ibericus]

They can start a new country in India, why not, it's not that bad of an idea.

[Loki]

We should love and embrace Gypsies as our own.

[alfieb]

We should love and embrace Gypsies as our own.

Spoken like a naive guy who's never been mugged by one.

[Wadaad]

On the day the gypsies get sent back to India...will it mean the Euro descendants in the Americas, South Africa, Australia/NZealand will be sent back to Europe?

[The Lawspeaker]

On the day the gypsies get sent back to India...will it mean the Euro descendants in the Americas and Australia/NZealand will be sent back to Europe?
No. Because the place is ours. :)

[Methusalem]

We should love and embrace Gypsies as our own.

Right!

Look alfieb. Even Quasimodo could get a beautiful Gypsy girl. So don't be mad at them.

http://www.thehunchblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ds-27-Esme-qua-bell.png

[alfieb]

Right!

Look alfieb. Even Quasimodo could get a beautiful Gypsy girl. So don't be mad at them.

http://www.thehunchblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ds-27-Esme-qua-bell.png

And yet InquiringMind had to pay for a Chinese girl.

[Szegedist]

We should love and embrace Gypsies as our own.

Easier said than done.

[Damião de Góis]

People will favourable ideas about gypsies come from places where there are no gypsies. Basically they have no clue of what they are talking about or what kind of people we're dealing with.

[Pontios]

Of course! They are ruining our blood lines! Mixing into our cultures!

[Baluarte]

It would also be benefitial for them to have a country that can speak for them in international scenarios.

Right now gypsies are only referred to as two things: 1) Annoying thieves nobody wants. 2) Poor people that deserve charity.

Another possiblity I just looked into is North Eastern India:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/India-locator-map-NE.svg/514px-India-locator-map-NE.svg.png

It would seem that over 68% of the current population of NE India only lives in One state, Assam:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/India_Assam_locator_map.svg/543px-India_Assam_locator_map.svg.png

The 39 million people of Northeast India constitute only about 3.8 per cent of the total population of the country (2001 census). Over 68 per cent of this population (26.64 million) live in the state of Assam alone. The density of population varies from 13 per sq. kilometre in Arunachal Pradesh to 340 per sq. kilometre in Assam. The predominantly hilly terrain in all the states except Assam is host to an overwhelming proportion of tribal population ranging from 19.3 per cent in Assam to 94.5 per cent in Mizoram. The region has over 160 Scheduled Tribes and over 400 other sub-tribal communities and groups. It is predominantly rural with over 84 per cent of the population living in the countryside.

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So a valid argument would be: India gives the Roma all the regions of NE India (which is anyway quite deconnected and not key to their core territory), maybe without Assam. They are entitled to land, low cost credit and technical help to develop agriculture, some industry and to work in the large oil reserves that exist there.

So, it would look like this:

http://www.indiawidetours.com/images/north_east_india_map.jpg

Authonomous republic there.

Similar status to the North Caucasin Republics in Russia

[Loki]

People will favourable ideas about gypsies come from places where there are no gypsies. Basically they have no clue of what they are talking about or what kind of people we're dealing with.

Human beings are human beings. I hate stereotyping.

I'm pretty sure environment is the main impediment to their advancement.

[Damião de Góis]

Human beings are human beings. I hate stereotyping.

I'm pretty sure environment is the main impediment to their advancement.

Like i said in my other post they have been here for centuries, but if you look at them it looks like they arrived last week. Basically they close themselves to the rest of society, don't let their children go to school and don't pay taxes. And it's not like there weren't (failed) attempts of integration over the years. Patience is short for people who dismiss society and think they can come here and live by their own rules.

[Geni]

I voted No,only here in the forum there are people worse than the gipsy .. imagine in the life of every day how many assholes meetings every day ...

[Szegedist]

Human beings are human beings. I hate stereotyping.

I'm pretty sure environment is the main impediment to their advancement.

Gypsies are Gypsies, regardless if they live in Romania, UK, Sweden, Bulgaria. Only thing that differs is the amount of welfare the state gives them

[Loki]

Like i said in my other post they have been here for centuries, but if you look at them it looks like they arrived last week. Basically they close themselves to the rest of society, don't let their children go to school and don't pay taxes. And it's not like there weren't (failed) attempts of integration over the years. Patience is short for people who dismiss society and think they can come here and live by their own rules.

It's society which excludes them.

[Loki]

Gypsies are Gypsies, regardless if they live in Romania, UK, Sweden, Bulgaria. Only thing that differs is the amount of welfare the state gives them

That's just racism.

[Szegedist]

Without hookers, the rapes will increase. Civilized societies need hookers to decrease rapes.

By the same logic, criminals are needed to make sure that prison wardens dont lose their job.

[Szegedist]

That's just racism.

Even in super tolerant countries like Sweden?

[Loki]

Even in super tolerant countries like Sweden?

No, the Swedes don't neglect their Gypsies.

[Szegedist]

It's society which excludes them.

Rather the opposite, they exclude themselves.

In Gypsy culture, those that mix with "mainstream culture" lose their "Romanipen", and become a "Gadjo" (non Gypsy or not a true Gypsy).

So in order to be a true Gypsy, and preserve their "Romanipen" (Gypsy spirit), they must not mix with mainstream culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadjo_(non-Romani)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanipen

[Loki]

Rather the opposite, they exclude themselves.

In Gypsy culture, those that mix with "mainstream culture" lose their "Romanipen", and become a "Gadjo" (non Gypsy or not a true Gypsy)

Gypsies would like to have normal lives like everyone else. But they have more hurdles to climb. They don't have white privilege.

[Methusalem]

By the same logic, criminals are needed to make sure that prison wardens dont lose their job.

But hookers are not criminals. :cool:

[Szegedist]

But hookers are not criminals. :cool:

They are in the countries marked red
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Prostitution_laws_of_the_world.PNG

[Szegedist]

Some Gypsies would like to have normal lives like everyone else.

Fixed

[Methusalem]

They are in the countries marked red
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Prostitution_laws_of_the_world.PNG

But not all countries are marked red. ;)

[Lemon Kush]

Alfieb, when are we going to deport the Sicilians back to North Africa?

[alfieb]

Alfieb, when are we going to deport the Sicilians back to North Africa?
When did Sicilians ever originate from North Africa?

"When are we going to deport the Icelandics back to Australia?"

[Baluarte]

But not all countries are marked red. ;)

One of the few things Colombia has done right. Regulating prostitution while keeping it legal

Understand the map:
"The legality of prostitution and brothels around the world: The green areas are places where prostitution is legal and regulated; the blue areas are regions where prostitution is legal but unregulated and organized activities such as brothels are illegal; the red countries are places where prostitution is illegal. Gray areas signify lack of data."

[Szegedist]

But not all countries are marked red. ;)

Most are

[Lemon Kush]

When did Sicilians ever originate from North Africa?

"When are we going to deport the Icelandics back to Australia?"

They're your cousins. :)

[alfieb]

They're your cousins. :)
I have a lot of cousins.

[Wolverine]

And you are not native American. Why don't you take your chubby Sicilian ass back to Sicilia - according to your logic.
Who should run the country then? Neither the animals or the Indians were capable of utilizing, building, establishing the country or inventing cars. The native Americans were animals and thereafter Indians, but those are minorities now, so it's not theirs anymore.

[Kastrioti1443]

Who should run the country then? Neither the animals or the Indians were capable of utilizing, building, establishing the country or inventing cars. The native Americans were animals and thereafter Indians, but those are minorities now, so it's not theirs anymore.

How were native americans animals , are insane???

[Wolverine]

How were native americans animals , are insane???
Indians weren't the natives, it was the animal's country.

[Sikeliot]

On online forums (not so much this one but others) I have seen people draw parallels between African Americans in the US, and Gypsies in Europe. But I believe the comparison is not accurate. For how much people on this forum criticize African Americans, it must be put into context.. they were brought here against their will, faced discrimination from the outside for generations, and while many of them do live in poverty, a significant number have advanced themselves to high positions in society since segregation was outlawed. And for the most part, are integrated into and have even helped to shape mainstream society.

Gypsies on the other hand have not, and they have been in Europe for as long, if not longer, than African Americans in the US. They self-segregated, were not enslaved, nor did they face as much struggle as African Americans have. Not to mention they arrived voluntarily. If African Americans could advance themselves, given all of the struggles they have had to face imposed on them by others, Gypsies have no excuse to be living in slums and not working to succeed and integrate themselves into society with little to no economic output or contributions to the countries they live in.

Honestly if they have no economic output and just take welfare from the government, I don't see any problem with encouraging their own land of origin to take them back. They're not Europe's problem, they didn't originate in Europe. They are Indians.

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/83/b1f6722b19c14b12e17230d9e81a8a5a/l.jpg

http://blogs.bootsnall.com/old_travel_blogs/rob/archives/man%20swimming%20by%20slum.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kN8-O5x8Pxs/TEXHk9DkPkI/AAAAAAAAE2c/jEj_SmHMFIo/s1600/slums.jpg

[Anglojew]

On online forums (not so much this one but others) I have seen people draw parallels between African Americans in the US, and Gypsies in Europe. But I believe the comparison is not accurate. For how much people on this forum criticize African Americans, it must be put into context.. they were brought here against their will, faced discrimination from the outside for generations, and while many of them do live in poverty, a significant number have advanced themselves to high positions in society since segregation was outlawed. And for the most part, are integrated into and have even helped to shape mainstream society.

Gypsies on the other hand have not, and they have been in Europe for as long, if not longer, than African Americans in the US. They self-segregated, were not enslaved, nor did they face as much struggle as African Americans have. Not to mention they arrived voluntarily. If African Americans could advance themselves, given all of the struggles they have had to face imposed on them by others, Gypsies have no excuse to be living in slums and not working to succeed and integrate themselves into society with little to no economic output or contributions to the countries they live in.

Honestly if they have no economic output and just take welfare from the government, I don't see any problem with encouraging their own land of origin to take them back. They're not Europe's problem, they didn't originate in Europe. They are Indians.

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/83/b1f6722b19c14b12e17230d9e81a8a5a/l.jpg

http://blogs.bootsnall.com/old_travel_blogs/rob/archives/man%20swimming%20by%20slum.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kN8-O5x8Pxs/TEXHk9DkPkI/AAAAAAAAE2c/jEj_SmHMFIo/s1600/slums.jpg

Is that really in Europe?

Why can't Gypsies be "educated" to become normal?

[Sikeliot]

Is that really in Europe?

Why can't Gypsies be "educated" to become normal?

Yes.

And because they apparently don't want to be educated or integrate into mainstream society. Which sucks because all they end up doing is sucking the state dry of its resources and not giving anything back.

There's no excuse for this to be the case.

[The Lawspeaker]

Yes.

And because they apparently don't want to be educated or integrate into mainstream society. Which sucks because all they end up doing is sucking the state dry of its resources and not giving anything back.

There's no excuse for this to be the case.

And that's why I am probably not the only European to wishes them put on a plane or on the boat and spirited out of Europe to their ancestral homelands.

[Loki]

I feel like a Gypsy. I understand them.

[Sikeliot]

For the record their language is believed to be descended from Punjabi, so I would support the idea that they are Punjabi and not Kashmiri.

[Lemon Kush]

On online forums (not so much this one but others) I have seen people draw parallels between African Americans in the US, and Gypsies in Europe. But I believe the comparison is not accurate. For how much people on this forum criticize African Americans, it must be put into context.. they were brought here against their will, faced discrimination from the outside for generations, and while many of them do live in poverty, a significant number have advanced themselves to high positions in society since segregation was outlawed. And for the most part, are integrated into and have even helped to shape mainstream society.

Gypsies on the other hand have not, and they have been in Europe for as long, if not longer, than African Americans in the US. They self-segregated, were not enslaved, nor did they face as much struggle as African Americans have. Not to mention they arrived voluntarily. If African Americans could advance themselves, given all of the struggles they have had to face imposed on them by others, Gypsies have no excuse to be living in slums and not working to succeed and integrate themselves into society with little to no economic output or contributions to the countries they live in.

Honestly if they have no economic output and just take welfare from the government, I don't see any problem with encouraging their own land of origin to take them back. They're not Europe's problem, they didn't originate in Europe. They are Indians.

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/83/b1f6722b19c14b12e17230d9e81a8a5a/l.jpg

http://blogs.bootsnall.com/old_travel_blogs/rob/archives/man%20swimming%20by%20slum.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kN8-O5x8Pxs/TEXHk9DkPkI/AAAAAAAAE2c/jEj_SmHMFIo/s1600/slums.jpg

Because Africans are more Uber. It's ingrained in the Indian's soul and part of his nature to live in shit.

[Sikeliot]

Because Africans are more Uber. It's ingrained in the Indian's soul and part of his nature to live in shit.

Then why does all of India not look like that?

[Lemon Kush]

I actually read somewhere that India is poorer than Africa.

Here's the link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10609407

[The Lawspeaker]

Then why does all of India not look like that?
Eh ? It actually does for most part.

[Sikeliot]

But India has a lot of cities and large structures.

[Loki]

I actually read somewhere that India is poorer than Africa.

Here's the link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10609407

Because of their much higher population density. Africa is one of the most sparsely populated continents on earth.

[Lemon Kush]

Then why does all of India not look like that?

Well we are mainly comparing gypsies with African Americans here. Aframs manage to elevate themselves in society some of the time. While gypsies choose to live in their slums, which look even worse than the black ghettos. Plus there is cities in Africa that have good infrastructure in comparison to India. Both were under heavy British influence though.

Look at Johannesburg for example:

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/041/c/7/Johannesburg_Skyline_by_MMINC.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

I can only imagine how RICH Africa would be if it was inhabited by Western Europeans....

[Newsboy]

Because of their much higher population density. Africa is one of the most sparsely populated continents on earth.

Africa is a whole continent, India is just a country. Some North African countries are more developed than India, not all the African countries. And yes, Africa is indeed a sparsely populated continent. India has lots of slums, but it isn't THAT poor.

[Sikeliot]

Well we are mainly comparing gypsies with African Americans here. Aframs manage to elevate themselves in society some of the time.

And that is why I don't think Gypsies have an excuse.. African Americans endured much worse in the US than Gypsies in Europe.

[Lemon Kush]

Or Nairobi, Kenya:

http://images.cdn.fotopedia.com/RsSD8caLz0A-xovTJTTtMxg-hd.jpg

Both are cities with good infrastructure and living standards, especially for Africa.

[The Lawspeaker]

http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/Kalina58.jpg

http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/Bd_Albert1er.jpg

http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/KinshasaSacreCoeur.jpg

http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/braconnier1.jpg

http://www.stiopka.com/Leo/Leo_Kalina.jpg

Leopoldville (now Kinshasa, Congo) when the Belgians were still around. I think we all know what it looks like today. More pictures can be found here (http://www.stiopka.com/).

[Baluarte]

Windhoek, Namibia is supposed to be ok too.

http://www.happytellus.com/img/windhoek/windhoek_552.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

Well.. those are the white areas. What do you think it's like in the black areas ? Or outside the business districts ?

[Loki]

There's a wealth gap. Mumbai has two faces:

http://www.bordermovement.com/wp-upload/2012/08/dharavi-e1343887950403.jpeg

[Mortimer]

And that is why I don't think Gypsies have an excuse.. African Americans endured much worse in the US than Gypsies in Europe.

i dont think thats true. just that gypsy persecution is not well known. gypsies were enslaved too, not allowed to own land and priests who baptised them were excommunicated. they also were hunted and killed, tortured etc. you should inform yourself. i for once believe gypsies it harder in europe then the african americans in the USA

[Mortimer]

also what constitutes "the west" only europe or also the colonies? and why should sikeliot or alfieb live in the US but not a gypsy?

[alfieb]

i for once believe gypsies it harder in europe then the african americans in the USA

:lol:

Blacks in the USA had nowhere to go and didn't bring it on themselves. They were enslaved in Africa, transported to a continent far, far away, and if they tried to get away, they would be tortured or killed. Most blacks had scars all over their bodies from beatings. White masters could fuck the black slaves' wives any time they wanted.

Gypsies came to Europe on their own. They chose not to integrate. They could have moved. Heck, they're nomadic people. Africans in the USA did not have nearly as many options.

[Mortimer]

:lol:

Blacks in the USA had nowhere to go and didn't bring it on themselves. They were enslaved in Africa, transported to a continent far, far away, and if they tried to get away, they would be tortured or killed. Most blacks had scars all over their bodies from beatings. White masters could fuck the black slaves' wives any time they wanted.

Gypsies came to Europe on their own. They chose not to integrate. They could have moved. Heck, they're nomadic people. Africans in the USA did not have nearly as many options.

we dont know how gypsies came to europe just that they did. and gypsies were physically assualted burned killed hunted enslaved etc. too and many gypsy women got raped and gypsy women got sexualised etc. gypsies didnt had many choices to integrate. it is still a mystery to me why they didnt moved out of europe back then. that they were not mistreated unlike blacks is certainly wrong. and gypsies were shipped as slaves to the new world and there were free blacks who owned gypsy slaves even.

[Lemon Kush]

:lol:

Blacks in the USA had nowhere to go and didn't bring it on themselves. They were enslaved in Africa, transported to a continent far, far away, and if they tried to get away, they would be tortured or killed. Most blacks had scars all over their bodies from beatings. White masters could fuck the black slaves' wives any time they wanted.

Gypsies came to Europe on their own. They chose not to integrate. They could have moved. Heck, they're nomadic people. Africans in the USA did not have nearly as many options.

The slave masters never fucked their slaves's wives, race mixing was strictly forbidden among them. Not to mention many of these white slave masters were religious fanatics, who according to their religion blacks were considered inferior. Also as far as I know gypsies didn't come from India willfully, they were kicked out.

[alfieb]

The slave masters never fucked their slaves's wives, race mixing was strictly forbidden among them. Not to mention many of these white slave masters were religious fanatics, who according to their religion blacks were considered inferior. Also as far as I know gypsies didn't come from India willfully, they were kicked out.

:rolleyes:

You're living in a fantasy world where Thomas fucking Jefferson of all people didn't have children with his slaves wives. :yawn:

Watch NBC's "Who Do You Think You Are?", an Ancestry.com based show. Spike Lee found out that he's part white because he had slave-owner-who-had-jungle-fever ancestry.


we dont know how gypsies came to europe just that they did. and gypsies were physically assualted burned killed hunted enslaved etc. too and many gypsy women got raped and gypsy women got sexualised etc. gypsies didnt had many choices to integrate. it is still a mystery to me why they didnt moved out of europe back then. that they were not mistreated unlike blacks is certainly wrong. and gypsies were shipped as slaves to the new world and there were free blacks who owned gypsy slaves even.

There is just so much wrong with your opinion that I'm not even going to bother.

Fun Fact: During the British occupation, Irish Catholics were sold into slavery to Jews in the Caribbean.

[Mortimer]

:rolleyes:

You're living in a fantasy world where Thomas fucking Jefferson of all people didn't have children with his slaves wives. :yawn:

Watch NBC's "Who Do You Think You Are?", an Ancestry.com based show. Spike Lee found out that he's part white because he had slave-owner-who-had-jungle-fever ancestry.



There is just so much wrong with your opinion that I'm not even going to bother.

Fun Fact: During the British occupation, Irish Catholics were sold into slavery to Jews in the Caribbean.

irish were mistreated too, so it is wrong that only blacks were mistreated. i think gypsies were more mistreated then irish probably like blacks or more. it was not legal to hunt and kill blacks like it was with gypsies. only the slave master could kill his own slave not every Person. and not all slaves were mistreated some were just butlers or house servants and Cooks or something and had a rather good life.

[alfieb]

Of course you're going to say that. It's your heritage.

Everyone is inherently biased when their own people are the subject matter.

If there were a different poll about whether black slaves in the New World or Europe's gypsies suffered more, you'd lose by a huge margin again.

[Crn Volk]

I say no. The West can take all the Balkan gypsies thanks :thumb001:

[Sikeliot]

I say no. The West can take all the Balkan gypsies thanks :thumb001:

We have enough people on welfare already. No thanks.

[Kastrioti1443]

I say no. The West can take all the Balkan gypsies thanks :thumb001:

But that means that we have to remove all fyromans.... However you will be removed, Just a matter of time.

[Crn Volk]

But that means that we have to remove all fyromans.... However you will be removed, Just a matter of time.

No problems muslim scum

[Kastrioti1443]

No problems muslim scum

Hahahahaha I am a catholic you orthodox irano-turk. You will be removed and sent to your home, to your blood brothers in Iran.

[Crn Volk]

Hahahahaha I am a catholic you orthodox irano-turk. You will be removed and sent to your home, to your blood brothers in Iran.

Catholic, yeah right....it's good you disown your religion though..still a turk in my eyes

[alfieb]

Catholic, yeah right....it's good you disown your religion though..still a turk in my eyes
Skanderbeg was Catholic. The Roman Church is the true religion of Albanian patriotism.

[Anglojew]

Gypsies don't belong to one ideology, they vary from place to place, in culture and the level of assimilation. Whilst a proportion are obviously anti-social miscreants I doubt they are even the majority. I'd be interested to see statistics on the proportion of gypsies on welfare for instance.

Whilst involved in petty crime gypsies are not involved in grand schemes to overthrow the European way of life, in fact European success benefits them in terms of both welfare and criminal opportunity. I cannot support banning or expelling gypsies on ideological, political or racial grounds. They represent a rung on the lowest level of society that would only be replaced with another group if vacant.

[Mortimer]

Of course you're going to say that. It's your heritage.

Everyone is inherently biased when their own people are the subject matter.

If there were a different poll about whether black slaves in the New World or Europe's gypsies suffered more, you'd lose by a huge margin again.

im not more biased then others, im a Realist not a tribalist. and im not more biased then those who hate gypsies. also People seem more biased towards gypsies then towards blacks, People like sikeliot who defend blacks but think gypsies should be deported. such a thread would be biased and People also dont know much about gypsy persecution while everyone knows about slavery. it would be no surprise if i "loose" the poll

[alfieb]

Everyone knows that gypsies are treated like shit. The difference is, few feel sorry for them because most (but not all) gypsies are criminal scumbags who don't deserve sympathy. Look at how they live. Look at how they act.

Even the worst black ghetto is 100 times better than a gypsy ghetto, because while poor blacks may not be educated, they're part of society and understand what civilization is. People have more sympathy for blacks, but that doesn't change the fact that blacks suffered more.

[Sikeliot]

People like sikeliot who defend blacks but think gypsies should be deported.

Let's compare.

African Americans = brought to America in chains, enslaved for many years, little literacy or education during that time, segregated from whites for another hundred years, and have managed, to a significant extent, to catch up with their white American counterparts while struggling to do so all the way due to institutionalized racism.

Gypsies = migrated to Europe by choice, segregated themselves, speak European languages with a foreign accent despite having been in Europe for a very long time, making little effort to succeed or better themselves and committing a lot of crimes.

[Kastrioti1443]

Catholic, yeah right....it's good you disown your religion though..still a turk in my eyes

I am a catholic highlander you darkskined fyroman, much more european than you and your people in every sense of the word.

[Kastrioti1443]

Let's compare.

African Americans = brought to America in chains, enslaved for many years, little literacy or education during that time, segregated from whites for another hundred years, and have managed, to a significant extent, to catch up with their white American counterparts while struggling to do so all the way due to institutionalized racism.

Gypsies = migrated to Europe by choice, segregated themselves, speak European languages with a foreign accent despite having been in Europe for a very long time, making little effort to succeed or better themselves and committing a lot of crimes.


Very true. They are also the ones who commit almost all the crimes and they are called '' albanians'' when they are jailed in european jails.

[Crn Volk]

I am a catholic highlander you darkskined fyroman, much more european than you and your people in every sense of the word.

albanians are a majority muslim people. i don't care about the minority. your people are therefore associated with turks and arabs no matter what you say.

[Mortimer]

Let's compare.

African Americans = brought to America in chains, enslaved for many years, little literacy or education during that time, segregated from whites for another hundred years, and have managed, to a significant extent, to catch up with their white American counterparts while struggling to do so all the way due to institutionalized racism.

Gypsies = migrated to Europe by choice, segregated themselves, speak European languages with a foreign accent despite having been in Europe for a very long time, making little effort to succeed or better themselves and committing a lot of crimes.

blacks speak "ebonics" and not all gypsies speak with a foreign Accent. and gypsies didnt segregated themselfes, they were segregated. even if a gypsy would want to Assimilate he would not be able to, gypsies were not allowed to enter the town or do proffessions and occupations in many towns. africans are overepresented in crimes as well while the majority of gypsy crime is petty crime africans are often violent more then gypsies. blacks and gypsies are not competition who is the biggest victim nor should they be, they should stick together as both People who were ocstracised and enslaved for their darker skin

[Sikeliot]

blacks and gypsies are not competition who is the biggest victim nor should they be, they should stick together as both People who were ocstracised and enslaved for their darker skin

Oh because they have so much in common other than that..

I wasn't competing for who is a bigger victim, I was comparing them to show you that there is no excuse for Gypsies to be living in slums worse than the favelas in Rio de Janeiro.

[Mortimer]

Everyone knows that gypsies are treated like shit. The difference is, few feel sorry for them because most (but not all) gypsies are criminal scumbags who don't deserve sympathy. Look at how they live. Look at how they act.

Even the worst black ghetto is 100 times better than a gypsy ghetto, because while poor blacks may not be educated, they're part of society and understand what civilization is. People have more sympathy for blacks, but that doesn't change the fact that blacks suffered more.

how do you know blacks suffered more? i would say both suffered

[Mortimer]

Oh because they have so much in common other than that..

I wasn't competing for who is a bigger victim, I was comparing them to show you that there is no excuse for Gypsies to be living in slums worse than the favelas in Rio de Janeiro.

you tried to say there is a excuse for blacks to live in ghettos but not for gypsies. and that gypsies were never discriminated, persecuted, ill treated but blacks were thats why blacks can live in ghettos and commit crime but gypsies cant. i think being a gypsy in europe is much worse then being a black in america in the Society. also eastern europe is generally poorer then the USA. the USA is very rich and gypsies who live in the USA dont live in ghettos either most of the time but in houses. also where i was Born it was not a really a Slum, you are generalising

[alfieb]

how do you know blacks suffered more? i would say both suffered

Dozens of reasons. For starters, gypsies were obviously able to mix with whites. The only time blacks mixed with whites was when a white man raped a black woman.

[Sikeliot]

you tried to say there is a excuse for blacks to live in ghettos but not for gypsies. and that gypsies were never discriminated, persecuted, ill treated but blacks were thats why blacks can live in ghettos and commit crime but gypsies cant. i think being a gypsy in europe is much worse then being a black in america in the Society. also eastern europe is generally poorer then the USA. the USA is very rich and gypsies who live in the USA dont live in ghettos either most of the time but in houses. also where i was Born it was not a really a Slum, you are generalising


You're taking what I am saying very out of context. I am not saying anyone has any more of an excuse to commit crimes, I am saying that if African Americans could overcome their struggles and be relatively successful why couldn't Gypsies?

[Mortimer]

Dozens of reasons. For starters, gypsies were obviously able to mix with whites. The only time blacks mixed with whites was when a white man raped a black woman.

i could just as well say americans never commited a Holocaust against blacks like europeans did against gypsies. and gypsy women were raped too. maybe some gypsies mixed with Whites but they werent accepted by the Society nor their offspring, not even today as you see in my personal case let alone 200 years ago

[Mortimer]

You're taking what I am saying very out of context. I am not saying anyone has any more of an excuse to commit crimes, I am saying that if African Americans could overcome their struggles and be relatively successful why couldn't Gypsies?

i dont know how succesful they are really. i think being a gypsy in eastern europe is much worse then being black in the USA. i would prefer to be black in the USA

[alfieb]

i could just as well say americans never commited a Holocaust against blacks like europeans did against gypsies. and gypsy women were raped too. maybe some gypsies mixed with Whites but they werent accepted by the Society nor their offspring, not even today as you see in my personal case let alone 200 years ago
No, instead of killing them all, they were valuable property, like a horse or a bicycle.

I'd rather be dead than a slave.

[Sikeliot]

i dont know how succesful they are really. i think being a gypsy in eastern europe is much worse then being black in the USA. i would prefer to be black in the USA

Blacks in the USA have better conditions than Gypsies in Europe because they worked to overcome their struggles, fought for their rights (which, of course, they should have not had to fight for but should have always had), and have advanced in society through their own efforts.

I have nothing against Gypsies personally, I have something against people who are lazy and don't try to advance themselves.

[Mortimer]

No, instead of killing them all, they were valuable property, like a horse or a bicycle.

I'd rather be dead than a slave.

gypsies were slaves too

[alfieb]

gypsies were slaves too
They were serfs. There were white serfs, too.

Nearly the entire population of Russia were also serfs, who had basically the same conditions as gypsies.

Why aren't they crying and begging for pity?

[Mortimer]

Blacks in the USA have better conditions than Gypsies in Europe because they worked to overcome their struggles, fought for their rights (which, of course, they should have not had to fight for but should have always had), and have advanced in society through their own efforts.

I have nothing against Gypsies personally, I have something against people who are lazy and don't try to advance themselves.

the USA is generally richer then eastern europe, even many eastern europeans emigrate to other countries to seek a better life and unemployment is high also for White eastern europeans etc. in serbia there are no Jobs i know that and People are very poor, generally not only gypsies. gypsies do fight to advance themselfes, some do but some stick to the life they were Born in and grew up. you cant generalise

[Mortimer]

They were serfs. There were white serfs, too.

Nearly the entire population of Russia were also serfs, who had basically the same conditions as gypsies.

Why aren't they crying and begging for pity?

being a serf is the same as being a slave or very similar. and i doubt Whites had the same condition as gypsies, not even today gypsies are even with Whites. i think Whites were considered higher then gypsies always.

[alfieb]

being a serf is the same as being a slave or very similar. and i doubt Whites had the same condition as gypsies, not even today gypsies are even with Whites. i think Whites were considered higher then gypsies always.
Serfdom was everywhere, not just in the Balkans, and native white Europeans were serfs too, not just Gypsies from India.

http://www.zonu.com/images/500X0/2009-09-17-796/Serfdom-and-rebellions-in-Central-Europe-before-1515.jpg

[Mortimer]

Serfdom was everywhere, not just in the Balkans, and native white Europeans were serfs too, not just Gypsies from India.

http://www.zonu.com/images/500X0/2009-09-17-796/Serfdom-and-rebellions-in-Central-Europe-before-1515.jpg

i know, but they were still hold as slaves and more ill treated then Whites. what is your Point that gypsies were never ill treated? and always were same as Whites?

[alfieb]

i know, but they were still hold as slaves and more ill treated then Whites. what is your Point that gypsies were never ill treated? and always were same as Whites?
No.

What I said was that blacks suffered more. What you said was that gypsies suffered more.

I never denied that gypsies had a hard time. They still do.

[asingh]

Yes. They're basically Punjabi people who migrated west.
Not really, nothing points to them being from Punjab. There are studies which show them to be Kashmiri/Rajasthani, or even Punjabi. Punjab is a huge expanse of land which covers two (edit) countries: Pakistan [E] and India [NW]. There is nothing Punjabi in these people anymore. It is equivalent to asking other migrants who have assimilated in America to go back; else it is a classical case of garbage throwing. Which will hardly help Gypsies or India. India is a 3rd world shit-hole, I doubt Gypsies can do anything here, or reap benefits.


Not genocide. I would have said to reincorporate them into the Punjab region.
Same as above.


Kashmyr

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Kashmir_region_2004.jpg
That is one volatile region. Totally disputed by three nations (China-India-Pakistan;alphabetical): And the Kashmiri people themselves want an independent state. So asking them to go to Kashmir is quite a load of horse-shit...! Or being indifferent to a problem. Sorry, to say.



Another possiblity I just looked into is North Eastern India:

Again, not a good option. The NE is an indigenous region and have a unique group of people. This stock is highly Mongoloid and they have their own language groups and cultures, each of the 7-sister states. It would be equivalent to: A Nun in a Disco...! LOL. Why you pondering preposterous theories here. Your forte is anti-Zion; stick to that, bro. :)


On online forums (not so much this one but others) I have seen people draw parallels between African Americans in the US, and Gypsies in Europe. But I believe the comparison is not accurate. For how much people on this forum criticize African Americans, it must be put into context.. they were brought here against their will, faced discrimination from the outside for generations, and while many of them do live in poverty, a significant number have advanced themselves to high positions in society since segregation was outlawed. And for the most part, are integrated into and have even helped to shape mainstream society.

Sending them "back" to India, would be the same as the above. Please understand they have nothing similar to India/Indid anymore. The language group though PIE>>>IE>>>IA is there and lexicon similarities are there, but is that enough. Where is the perspective and logic here. India is huge: we encompass 1B+ people, but conditions are stark and raving crazy. It is purely nonsensical and almost bordering on genocide to suggest what you are saying.



Gypsies on the other hand have not, and they have been in Europe for as long, if not longer, than African Americans in the US. They self-segregated, were not enslaved, nor did they face as much struggle as African Americans have. Not to mention they arrived voluntarily. If African Americans could advance themselves, given all of the struggles they have had to face imposed on them by others, Gypsies have no excuse to be living in slums and not working to succeed and integrate themselves into society with little to no economic output or contributions to the countries they live in.

Roughly 800-1000 (or even 1500) years. What is long..? Or long enough..? A lot of people have arrived voluntarily in other parts of the world with similar time continuum. What now..? Does this not scuttle your logic. ? Regarding Gypsies not contributing to society and not integrating: That is a societal issue and not geo-political. Both should not be merged.



Honestly if they have no economic output and just take welfare from the government, I don't see any problem with encouraging their own land of origin to take them back. They're not Europe's problem, they didn't originate in Europe. They are Indians.

LOL. They are not Indians. They are Europe's problem, sorry to say. Been with the land for quite a while. Plus in India they would not even get welfare. We have nothing like that. Please read up about India, and how bad a place it is, before writing all this. And is it that difficult to understand: Once people move out of country (for what ever reason); and have been resident for 1500-800 years: they are part of that nation. Irrespective they assimilate or not or do not contribute. Those are not factors. Sorry to mention this: You would say who you are, suppose if you were questioned in Switzerland (say on a vacation): An American, or from the Levant. It makes no sense. Genetically and as per the fora-visor, yes; you can say which ever, but in reality you know the answer too.


Is that really in Europe?

Why can't Gypsies be "educated" to become normal?
The last image is probably Mumbai slums. Millions live in slums in this hyper city. :)


For the record their language is believed to be descended from Punjabi, so I would support the idea that they are Punjabi and not Kashmiri.
For the record most of India's northern languages are Indo-European, and I wrote the progressive line above. What does this add. ?


But India has a lot of cities and large structures.
More villages and slums. Our rural population is pegged between 65-70%, and urban growth rate is a mere 2%-3% (annual). Now what...?
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/india/rural-population-percent-of-total-population-wb-data.html


Africa is a whole continent, India is just a country. Some North African countries are more developed than India, not all the African countries. And yes, Africa is indeed a sparsely populated continent. India has lots of slums, but it isn't THAT poor.
Quite poor. Read the below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

[YeshAtid]

they're scum

[Mortimer]

they're scum

you show your colours, kapo

[Grenzland]

Do you like Gypsies Gigolo?

[Loki]

they're scum

You've already had a warning. Keep your racist hatred bullshit to yourself, amigo.

[Cleitus]

Yes i think they should be Deportatet to Madagaskar.

[Archduke]

No.

They need to go somewhere while the East kick them out.

[Cleitus]

Look how nice Madagaskar is :thumb001:
https://www.mcsail.net/images/47845968/Madagaskar.jpg
http://www.abenteuer-reisen.de/files/imagecache/reportage_imageGallery/bildredaktion/Nosy_Be_Strand.jpg
https://www.mcsail.net/images/47845969/Segelrevier.jpg
http://www.geo.de/reisen/community/bild/regular/36189/Saphirschuerferin-in-Ilakaka-Madagaskar.jpg

[Mortimer]

i think forcefully removing an ethnic group is a international crime. albanians saying romas should be deported but not so long ago they cried NATO because they were kicked out from kosovo

[Grenzland]

i think forcefully removing an ethnic group is a international crime. albanians saying romas should be deported but not so long ago they cried NATO because they were kicked out from kosovo

Please don't talk about politics... :picard2:

[Cleitus]

i think forcefully removing an ethnic group is a international crime. albanians saying romas should be deported but not so long ago they cried NATO because they were kicked out from kosovo
women and kids cried. You are forcing White Genocide and you say that Deportation is a International Crime ?

[Mortimer]

women and kids cried. You are forcing White Genocide and you say that Deportation is International a Crime ?

and roma women and kids wouldnt crie the same way? of course deportation of a whole ethnic group from their place is a internetational crime it is ethnic cleansing.

[Grenzland]

and roma women and kids wouldnt crie the same way? of course deportation of a whole ethnic group from their place is a internetational crime it is ethnic cleansing.

But the whole situation is simply not comparable!

[Cleitus]

The only thing you would do in a War is shitting in your Jeans and hiding.

[Mortimer]

But the whole situation is simply not comparable!

of course it is comparabale you nazi beast. in both cases it is ethnic cleansing, you say that because romas are not white and because arbi hari is your faggot nazi friend from germany

[Cleitus]

We are indigenous in europe you are not :picard2:

[Mortimer]

We are indigenous in europe you are not :picard2:

we are long enough here though. we didnt originate here but we are mixed with europeans and long enough here, it would be certainly ethnic cleansing, just like when albanians drive out serbs and romas human rights watchers wrote that it is ethnic cleansing

[Grenzland]

of course it is comparabale you nazi beast. in both cases it is ethnic cleansing, you say that because romas are not white and because arbi hari is your faggot nazi friend from germany

:bounce:

Calm down Gigolo!

You are the one who always wants to be white! I don't care for being white. I'm not American, I care for Europeans. And Albanians are Europeans.

I also never chose a side in Balkan conflicts but you said the Albanians were just crying. That's simply not true. Also they didn't ask the NATO, the NATO wanted to be part of the conflict because that's what they are doing.

Why do you always react this way? I don't even want to fight you because you are not an enemy. Just shut up and stop this "oh my god someone is against me, he is a NAZI!" shit!

Thanks!

[Insuperable]

This is a tough one. I would not like them integrating or mixing and it is hard and non-humane to throw them out. If it would be possible to secure their existence somewhere else and enable them a proper start that would be the best solution.

[Smeagol]

Yes, I'd say it would be in Western civilization's best interest to get rid of Gypsies.

[Lemon Kush]

No.

They need to go somewhere while the East kick them out.

Maybe we should move you eastward

[Pjeter Pan]

Like in game of thrones?? :)

[Loki]

Yes, I'd say it would be in Western civilization's best interest to get rid of Gypsies.

'Get rid of' ... how? :confused:

[Pjeter Pan]

What about setting up a huge wall? ;)
Like in game of thrones

[Smeagol]

'Get rid of' ... how? :confused:

I'm not sure. They should have their own state in India or something.

[Kiyant]

Well from what i have seen in Hungary they are really not good for the country i also see it in Germany they always steal everything in the town they are currently in and then they get out as soon as they can so the police wont find them........

[Insuperable]

I'm not sure. They should have their own state in India or something.

And what if India does not want them saying they are mixed and not proper Indians?

[Smeagol]

And what if India does not want them saying they are mixed and not proper Indians?

Yeah I guess the problem is no one really wants Gypsies.

[tEhSaint]

Yes they should be banned.

[Loki]

I'm not sure. They should have their own state in India or something.

They haven't lived in India for a thousand years. That's as ridiculous as saying white Americans should have their own state in Europe.

[Cleitus]

they haven't lived in india for a thousand years. That's as ridiculous as saying white americans should have their own state in europe.
they only live in europe because of the living standart nothing other.

[Smeagol]

They haven't lived in India for a thousand years. That's as ridiculous as saying white Americans should have their own state in Europe.

Maybe you're right. I'd have no problem with them living in the West, if they behaved like Westerners.

[Loki]

Maybe you're right. I'd have no problem with them living in the West, if they behaved like Westerners.

But you're an American. Gypsies have more right to reside in Europe than you have. Nothing personal, just sayin'.

[wvwvw]

Maybe you're right. I'd have no problem with them living in the West, if they behaved like Westerners.

On the contrary most people don't want to see them assimilate in their societies.

The thought of gypsies mixing with the local populations is too frightening for many. Just ask Albanians and Bulgarians :biggrin:

[Loki]

Just ask Albanians and Bulgarians :biggrin:

In Bulgaria, the line between Gypsies and non-Gypsies is blurry ... just ask Twitch ;)

[Chieftain]

The northern catholic highlanders with find a solution, but I think it will be too late.....

[Smeagol]

But you're an American.

And a Westerner. We have some Gypsies here too.


Gypsies have more right to reside in Europe than you have. Nothing personal, just sayin'.

I agree, but they also have a responsibility to act civilized.

[Smeagol]

On the contrary most people don't want to see them assimilate in their societies.

The thought of gypsies mixing with the local populations is too frightening for many. Just ask Albanians and Bulgarians :biggrin:

I'm not saying they should mix.

[Archduke]

Maybe we should move you eastward

Barai mecha, pederast.

[Trun]

In Bulgaria, the line between Gypsies and non-Gypsies is blurry ... just ask Twitch ;)

Hajduk approves.

We are chatting on FB atm. I try to bring him back here, but he doesn't want.

[Lemon Kush]

Barai mecha, pederast.

Nemi vikai pederast oligofren

[Anglojew]

From West..... what the hell man, only Albania with a population of 3.1 million people has more than 500,000 darkskined people.... 350,000 gypsies and 150,000 ciganis and these fucking ciganis are getting all assimilated.

The northern catholic highlanders with find a solution, but I think it will be too late.....

What's the difference between a cigani and a gypsy?

[Shah-Jehan]

Since there are polls about the Jews and Muslims, here's one for the elephant in the room.

Unlike with Jews and Muslims, where most Muslims and Jews are good law-abiding people, most gypsies aren't.

That's generalising to the max, they are human beings just like you, aren't they?

[Arianiti]

On the contrary most people don't want to see them assimilate in their societies.

The thought of gypsies mixing with the local populations is too frightening for many. Just ask Albanians and Bulgarians :biggrin:

Actually in Albanian Kosova they have more rights than anywhere in the world, as we do not fear them as some do, maybe because they are so similar.

They have their representatives in our Parliament, Government, Public and Privare Institutions, NGO-se. They also have their schooling, primary and secondary, in their own language.

But the problem is that they should go to school, only minority of them sends their children to school as I know, although primary and secondary education in Kosova is mandatory ;)

[Gorštak]

It's sad that nobody care about them, I guess because they are not politically strong enough to make somebody care.
In WW2 so many of them were taken to concentration camps, but people mainly make movies about Jews, articles about Jews, monuments about Jews, Gypsies don't get that attention.

[Graham]

Have only ever seen two proper Romani Gypsies. Both were old women begging.

I wonder why you migrate so far, as to beg.

[Insuperable]

What's the difference between a cigani and a gypsy?

Gypsy is an English word for Cigan


Have only ever seen two proper Romani Gypsies. Both were old women begging.

I wonder why you migrate so far, as to beg.

One gypsy woman entered the building and started begging from one apartment to another. People say "clean the stairs and every resident of this building will give you some money" (when I heard how much would she get I was like "I will f*cking clean the damn stairs"). She refused of course.

[alfieb]

That's generalising to the max, they are human beings just like you, aren't they?

No.

They are not just like me. I was taught from an early age to contribute to society, work hard, obey the laws, etc.

[Shah-Jehan]

No.

Yes it is...

[alfieb]

Yes it is...

You're fifteen. Go to Europe when you are older, encounter these savages, and then re-assess your position.

In Italy, the courts determined that it is legal to be racist against them because most of them are criminals. Why would they do that?

[Stefan_Dusan]

Gypsies are no ones problem in Balkan. We give each other more problem than gypsy yet we constantly scapegoat them. I don't know why, they're just nomadic people.

[ChocolateFace]

Voted no.

[Shah-Jehan]

You're fifteen. Go to Europe when you are older, encounter these savages, and then re-assess your position.

In Italy, the courts determined that it is legal to be racist against them because most of them are criminals. Why would they do that?

well, if they were to be banned, they should've been banned centuries ago, not now...

[cally]

No, I'd like to help them because no one deserves to live in those conditions. Like it or not, they have been in Europe for a long time. Even though many Indians and Pakistanis are mixed today to some degree with central Asians/Mongols, they will reject European Gypsies because they are culturally and ethnically different to their native populations.

[Shah-Jehan]

No, I'd like to help them because no one deserves to live in those conditions. Like it or not, they have been in Europe for a long time. Even though many Indians and Pakistanis are mixed today to some degree with central Asians/Mongols, they will reject European Gypsies because they are culturally and ethnically different to their native populations.

Who's mixed with mongols?:mad:

[cally]

Who's mixed with mongols?:mad:

There was a Mughal invasion of South Asia, no?

[Shah-Jehan]

There was a Mughal invasion of South Asia, no?

Only the Mughal high aristocracy descended from Mongols while their soldiers, bureaucrats, administrators etc were mostly Persians and other Iranians and later it also included the native population...

In fact, the state was so heavily Persianised that the word Mughal itself is the Persian transliteration of Mongol...

[alfieb]

Who's mixed with mongols?:mad:

Your nobles were. The Mughal dynasty were descended from Genghis Khan.

The people of the Seven Sister States are.

[Loki]

Have only ever seen two proper Romani Gypsies. Both were old women begging.

I wonder why you migrate so far, as to beg.

Who is you?