classify Katheryn Winnick

[Clawgauth]

she has my same nose type. Which type of nose is this?
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[Tim O'Brien]

Nordid

[Sharkeatpeople]

Kelticised Faelid/Borreby or Anglo-Saxon differently.

[Tim O'Brien]

Kelticised Faelid/Borreby or Anglo-Saxon differently.
I think Celtic nordid/Faelid is more likely for her.

[oh-nahhh]

Nordid.

[sevruk]

Kelticised Faelid/Borreby or Anglo-Saxon differently.

Oh yes, Anglo-Saxon and Celtic. Considering that she is Ukrainian. xD

[Sharkeatpeople]

Oh yes, Anglo-Saxon and Celtic. Considering that she is Ukrainian. xD

what's up doc?Keltic Nordic mix Nordic with unnordic element(often Dinarcised element with low height skull),but KN type save dolichocephalic skull wherein.Anglo-Saxon-mix Nordo-CM or KN-CM,because despite the origin she looks like Kelticised CM and she can pass as Anglo-Saxon.so I don't understand your irony.

[Atlantic Islander]

In some of the images she reminds me of Tricia Helfer (https://www.google.com/search?q=tricia+helfer&client=firefox-a&hs=iVE&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Nx3SUr6TLs76oATR74KwBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=890&dpr=1).

[here's tommy]

I would say Nordid and not keltic nordid but just nordid and maybe minor cm.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Clearly Cromagnid with a Nordid influence

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32240&d=1366576498
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32244&d=1366576612

[slmmr4th]

Hm, I consider her traits looking pretty alpine... She might be some sort of very depigmented Gorid. Or Gorid with Nordic influence.
https://st.kp.yandex.net/images/actor_iphone/iphone360_39262.jpg

[cosmoo]

Neo-Danubian.

[The Blade]

Nordo-Faelid. Nothing Uralid in her that would make her Neo-Danubian. Nothing ''keltic" either.
http://www.celebheights.com/pr1/katheryn-winnick.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/f4/cd/8af4cd92a6678aacb3239c6ba2e85492.jpg

[cosmoo]

Nordo-Faelid. Nothing Uralid in her that would make her Neo-Danubian. Nothing ''keltic" either.
Photos with makeup can deceive.
Neo-Danubian doesn't have anything Uralid about it. It is derivative of Ladogan type mixed with old Danubian Nordic-like stock, it is kind of like East Baltic twin-type:
"(4) Ladogan: I propose to give this name to the descendants of the mesocephalic and brachycephalic forest-dwelling population of northern Europe east of the Baltic in Kammkeramik times. This type is a blend of a partly mongoloid brachycephalic element with a mesocephalic form of general Upper Palaeolithic aspect; these elements are seen in crania from Lake Ladoga and Salis Roje. (See Chapter IV, section 13, pp. 125-126.) Corded and/or Danubian elements are inextricably blended here, although the mongoloid and Upper Palaeolithic elements seem at present more important. In its present form this composite type shows two numerous variants:

(a) Neo-Danubian: Strongly mixed with the old Danubian, and to a lesser extent other elements, to form the common peasant type of eastern Europe, with many local variants.

(b) East Baltic: Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States."'

It is a composite type (like East Baltic, related to it), not a basal type, so the elements in its mixture can vary. And she falls right into the center of Neo-Danubian spectrum.

[The Blade]

Photos with makeup can deceive.
Neo-Danubian doesn't have anything Uralid about it. It is derivative of Ladogan type mixed with old Danubian Nordic-like stock, it is kind of like East Baltic twin-type:
"(4) Ladogan: I propose to give this name to the descendants of the mesocephalic and brachycephalic forest-dwelling population of northern Europe east of the Baltic in Kammkeramik times. This type is a blend of a partly mongoloid brachycephalic element with a mesocephalic form of general Upper Palaeolithic aspect; these elements are seen in crania from Lake Ladoga and Salis Roje. (See Chapter IV, section 13, pp. 125-126.) Corded and/or Danubian elements are inextricably blended here, although the mongoloid and Upper Palaeolithic elements seem at present more important. In its present form this composite type shows two numerous variants:

(a) Neo-Danubian: Strongly mixed with the old Danubian, and to a lesser extent other elements, to form the common peasant type of eastern Europe, with many local variants.

(b) East Baltic: Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States."'

It is a composite type (like East Baltic, related to it), not a basal type, so the elements in its mixture can vary. And she falls right into the center of Neo-Danubian spectrum.
Both Ladogan and East Baltid are mongrelized stock. If she was Neo-Danubian she should also display such admixture.
Take for instance East Baltic Hakkinen - clearly Europo-Mongoloid mix (unlike this woman):
http://www.thisisf1.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Hakkinen-increasingly-impressed-with-F1s-young-sensation-Verstappen.jpg

[cosmoo]

Both Ladogan and East Baltid are mongrelized stock. If she was Neo-Danubian she should also display such admixture.
Take for instance East Baltic Hakkinen - clearly Europo-Mongoloid mix (unlike this woman):

They can't be counted as "mongerlized", since in that case half of NE Europe would be "mongrelized".
They, as Ladogan type derivatives, have only minimal Mongoloid influence which doesn't even show up visibly in most of them.
She metrically falls right into Neo-Danubian spectrum, nothing purely Nordic (she does have significant Nordic influence through this type though) nor "Faelid" (paradoxical type) about her.

BTW, I know you think "mongoloid admixed Baltics" are "East Baltics", but in reality there is only one Baltid type, called "East Baltic" by Coon. There exists no several Baltid types, no anthropologist ever used that shit. It is composite, not basal type, so elements in it's mixture may vary. Sometimes it takes more after CM, sometimes after Corded, sometimes after Hallstatt, or even after basal Ladogan type (as in Hakkinen's case), but it is all the same East Baltic type:
http://theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe075.jpg
"Fig. 5 (3 views). A Finn from Tampere, Tavastehus. This man seems to show more evidence of Nordic influence than the others. As these pictures show, the East Baltic is not a stable or a basic racial type, but a variable blend."|
(The Races of Europe, Photographic Supplement, Plate 7)

[The Blade]

They can't be counted as "mongerlized", since in that case half of NE Europe would be "mongrelized".
They, as Ladogan type derivatives, have only minimal Mongoloid influence which doesn't even show up visibly in most of them.
She metrically falls right into Neo-Danubian spectrum, nothing purely Nordic (she does have significant Nordic influence through this type though) nor "Faelid" (paradoxical type) about her.

BTW, I know you think "mongoloid admixed Baltics" are "East Baltics", but in reality there is only one Baltid type, called "East Baltic" by Coon. There exists no several Baltid types, no anthropologist ever used that shit. It is composite, not basal type, so elements in it's mixture may vary. Sometimes it takes more after CM, sometimes after Corded, sometimes after Hallstatt, or even after basal Ladogan type (as in Hakkinen's case), but it is all the same East Baltic type:
http://theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe075.jpg
"Fig. 5 (3 views). A Finn from Tampere, Tavastehus. This man seems to show more evidence of Nordic influence than the others. As these pictures show, the East Baltic is not a stable or a basic racial type, but a variable blend."|
(The Races of Europe, Photographic Supplement, Plate 7)
Yes, I think many Northeastern Europeans look clearly mixed. I don't care how light they are - if they look like Hakkinen, Timo Soini, Maria Putina, etc., they are mixed race. It is not a coincidence that N1c1 which is found at highest numbers among Uralic people is big in Finland, certain regions of Russia and the Baltics.
I know the type varies and I have seen more Europoid examples than those I mentioned but still with some evident non-white influence.
About different Baltic types:
- yes, there are differences - the so-called West Baltid is nothing but a slightly gracilized Cromagnid variety. The Baltid proper also doesn't look East Baltid. It is just a brachy Central Euro type related to Slavs and to a lesser extent Balts.
Man you posted is, of course, more Nordic influenced than Hakkinen but still containing Uralic traits, therefore fits well the East Baltid definition.
There is nothing paradoxal about Faelids - CM type most common in Northwestern Europe. Paudler, Gunther, etc. gave a pretty good description of it.
The paradoxal anthro forum created type which no anthropologist ever used is the Balkan Borreby bullshit because there is only one Borreby type. The fact that in Balkans (like in other regions) it can be seen in mixed form with other types changes absolutely nothing. And Borreby is not even the only UP type present in Balkans...

[Harkonnen]

They can't be counted as "mongerlized", since in that case half of NE Europe would be "mongrelized".
They, as Ladogan type derivatives, have only minimal Mongoloid influence which doesn't even show up visibly in most of them.
She metrically falls right into Neo-Danubian spectrum, nothing purely Nordic (she does have significant Nordic influence through this type though) nor "Faelid" (paradoxical type) about her.

BTW, I know you think "mongoloid admixed Baltics" are "East Baltics", but in reality there is only one Baltid type, called "East Baltic" by Coon. There exists no several Baltid types, no anthropologist ever used that shit. It is composite, not basal type, so elements in it's mixture may vary. Sometimes it takes more after CM, sometimes after Corded, sometimes after Hallstatt, or even after basal Ladogan type (as in Hakkinen's case), but it is all the same East Baltic type:
http://theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe075.jpg
"Fig. 5 (3 views). A Finn from Tampere, Tavastehus. This man seems to show more evidence of Nordic influence than the others. As these pictures show, the East Baltic is not a stable or a basic racial type, but a variable blend."|
(The Races of Europe, Photographic Supplement, Plate 7)

Coon's East Baltic was supposed to be the basic CM-derived type of Finland and Baltics, whereas Neo-danubian was a basic type of parts of Central Europe and East Europe. It was clear that Coon never meant with this type as someone who would look strongly asiatic or whatever. This happened only after wogs started spamming the anthroboards.

[The Blade]

Coon's East Baltic was supposed to be the basic CM-derived type of Finland and Baltics, whereas Neo-danubian was a basic type of parts of Central Europe and East Europe. It was clear that Coon never meant with this type as someone who would look strongly asiatic or whatever. This happened only after wogs started spamming the anthroboards.
Yes, probably it's wogs' fault that Uralic markers are so strong in the East Baltic...lol

[Harkonnen]

Yes, I think many Northeastern Europeans look clearly mixed. I don't care how light they are - if they look like Hakkinen, Timo Soini, Maria Putina, etc., they are mixed race. It is not a coincidence that N1c1 which is found at highest numbers among Uralic people is big in Finland, certain regions of Russia and the Baltics.
I know the type varies and I have seen more Europoid examples than those I mentioned but still with some evident non-white influence.
About different Baltic types:
- yes, there are differences - the so-called West Baltid is nothing but a slightly gracilized Cromagnid variety. The Baltid proper also doesn't look East Baltid. It is just a brachy Central Euro type related to Slavs and to a lesser extent Balts.
Man you posted is, of course, more Nordic influenced than Hakkinen but still containing Uralic traits, therefore fits well the East Baltid definition.
There is nothing paradoxal about Faelids - CM type most common in Northwestern Europe. Paudler, Gunther, etc. gave a pretty good description of it.
The paradoxal anthro forum created type which no anthropologist ever used is the Balkan Borreby bullshit because there is only one Borreby type. The fact that in Balkans (like in other regions) it can be seen in mixed form with other types changes absolutely nothing. And Borreby is not even the only UP type present in Balkans...

East Baltic is a metric spectrum. It is for that reason out of all East Baltic examples from Coon, he considers that man as the most Nordic influenced even tho most anthrofools would probably "classify" him the least Nordic due to his heavy somewhat asiatic eyelids.

Remember this guy represent the more Ladogan (ie in anthronoobs vocabulary more "mongoloid") affinity of East Baltic type

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe074.jpg

Fig. 4 (3 views). A Lithuanian from the region of Vilna, who shows the Ladogan affiliation of this type clearly.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate07.htm

[Harkonnen]

Yes, probably it's wogs' fault that Uralic markers are so strong in the East Baltic...lol

Oh dear god gypsy, just shut your gyppo mouth. Are we seriously going to start discuss y-dna markers here :D

Fuck you and your beggar country

[Harkonnen]

Yes, probably it's wogs' fault that Uralic markers are so strong in the East Baltic...lol

Ladogan type is based on mesolithic remains from Lake Ladoga who belonged to y-dna R1a and J

[cosmoo]

I know the type varies and I have seen more Europoid examples than those I mentioned but still with some evident non-white influence.
About different Baltic types:
- yes, there are differences - the so-called West Baltid is nothing but a slightly gracilized Cromagnid variety. The Baltid proper also doesn't look East Baltid. It is just a brachy Central Euro type related to Slavs and to a lesser extent Balts.
Man you posted is, of course, more Nordic influenced than Hakkinen but still containing Uralic traits, therefore fits well the East Baltid definition.
My point is that those types exist nowhere other than on internet. No anthropologist ever used several "Baltid" types. Both Coon and Bertil Lundman (whom you like to quote often) had exactly one type of it, and both named it East Baltic/Ost-Baltid. It is named "East Baltic" not because it is "some special type of Baltid" (as "internet-experts" think), but because it's highest concentration is found on eastern shores of Baltic.
Those types you listed are all invented on internet by "humanphenotypes", SNPA, and other tards.
As I already said, East Baltic is a composite type. If we made new type each time a different influence predominated in East Baltic, we would have 4 types. But we don't. No anthropologist ever mentioned those types, and East Baltic type is the only type of its kind.


There is nothing paradoxal about Faelids - CM type most common in Northwestern Europe. Paudler, Gunther, etc. gave a pretty good description of it.
There is, since some anthropologist said Faelids are Nordic-CM blend, while other said they are of pure CM derivation, hence the confusion. Plus, it has been used only by... anthropologists not really recognized for their work (like Gunther, who linked mental and financial traits to phenotypes, etc.).
From what I've seen on anthroforums, the imaginary "Faelid" type is a CM type with prominent facial relief of muscles (a Nordid trait) and with ash-blonde hair (also non-CM, Nordic trait). So this imaginary type is metrically completely CM, but with soft morphology and pigmentation close to that of a Nordic.


The paradoxal anthro forum created type which no anthropologist ever used is the Balkan Borreby bullshit because there is only one Borreby type. The fact that in Balkans (like in other regions) it can be seen in mixed form with other types changes absolutely nothing. And Borreby is not even the only UP type present in Balkans...
I fully agree on that.
There is only one Borreby type indeed, and from what I've seen people that get classified by anthrotards as "Balkan Borreby" are not even Borreby, but some kind of dark, robust Alpines. Not to mention that Hungarian retard who made up his complete shit "Germanic Borreby", "Danubian Borreby" and "Balkan Borreby" categories :picard2:
Also, they overestimate presence on Borreby on Balkans- it is much rarer than they think it is.

[The Blade]

Oh dear god gypsy, just shut your gyppo mouth. Are we seriously going to start discuss y-dna markers here :D

Fuck you and your beggar country
I see truth hurts...

[Harkonnen]

I see truth hurts...

Whatever. Just stay in your beggar country. I will shoot every fucking Bulgarian beggar who steps on my door. Mongoloid justice.

[cosmoo]

Coon's East Baltic was supposed to be the basic CM-derived type of Finland and Baltics, whereas Neo-danubian was a basic type of parts of Central Europe and East Europe. It was clear that Coon never meant with this type as someone who would look strongly asiatic or whatever. This happened only after wogs started spamming the anthroboards.

Coon did say there was some Mongoloid influence (through basal Ladogan type), but it is so small that you can't see it in like 95% of East Baltics and Neo-Danubians, i.e. he never said Mongoloid influence is clearly visible in them.
East Baltic is basically Ladogan-derivative "strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States." (TRoE, chapter VIII, section 6)

[The Blade]

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Those types you listed are all invented on internet by "humanphenotypes", SNPA, and other tards.

If it depended on me, I wouldn't invent types with similar names.
To me East Baltic is a type that combines Uralid, Nordic/Corded and CM traits and varies as a blend.
Baltid is a Central Euro stocky brachycephal common among West Slavs and to some extent Balts.
West Baltid - gracilized East Cromagnid.

[cosmoo]

If it depended on me, I wouldn't invent types with similar names.
To me East Baltic is a type that combines Uralid, Nordic/Corded and CM traits and varies as a blend.
Baltid is a Central Euro stocky brachycephal common among West Slavs and to some extent Balts.
West Baltid - gracilized East Cromagnid.

We can't simply invent types out of our head. I'd rather hold on to classification system that reputable anthropologists created. Imagine what a mess would it be if we all used our own types, which we all see differently...
East Baltic never has Uralid influence, buth rather Ladogan.
Your description of "Baltid" to me looks like blend of Alpine and Neo-Danubian.
"West Baltid", as an another internet-invented type, is extremely rare in reality. From what I could figure out about that imaginary type, it is basically East Baltic with stronger unreduced CM influence, but again, East Baltic is composite, variable type, so it makes no sense to make a new type out of it.

I think it is best that we only use one "Baltid" type, East Baltic. All anthropologists used it for a very good reason. And trust me, "internet-experts" like SNPA retards know 100x less than actual anthropologists did.

[aherne]

Reduced CM + Aryan. Originally I was pretty certain she's just English (she looks VERY English), but in the end it looks like she's (Little) Russian after all. Could pass in all of Europe: I've seen Romanians, too, with her face.

[Harkonnen]

If it depended on me, I wouldn't invent types with similar names.
To me East Baltic is a type that combines Uralid, Nordic/Corded and CM traits and varies as a blend.
Baltid is a Central Euro stocky brachycephal common among West Slavs and to some extent Balts.
West Baltid - gracilized East Cromagnid.

According to Coon the Volga-Ural "Uralids" that is Finno-Ugrians were not Paleolithic East-Baltics (or Ladogan) in appearance, but rather neolithic Danubians in other words mediterranean in race

This is what Coon wrotes. Note that Coon uses the word Finn confusingly. It is like a synomym for Finno-Ugric:


The evidence for the racial composition of the early Finns is scanty, but incapable of misinterpretation. One small series of ten skulls dating from about the sixth century B.C., contemporaneous with the Early Scythian period, has been identified with the ancestors of the Volga Finns at the time of their unity.4 (See Appendix 1, cot. 49.) These come from the cemeteries of Polianki and Maklacheievka, from the former Viatka government in Permian Finn country just south of the present Komi or Zyryenian Republic. The graves belonged to the so-called Anan'ino cultural horizon. This Anan'ino culture5 was formed from a combination of influences from Siberia, the Caucasus, Scythia, and Scandinavia. It did not end suddenly, but passed by a gradual process of evolution into the civilization of the historic Volga Finns. Therefore, we may consider these skulls, few as they are, to represent the ancestors of the Finns before the beginning of their historic expansion.

This small group of seven male and three female crania is not completely homogeneous, but it is nearly so. All of the skulls are European in racial type. The faces are a little broader than in most Mediterranean groups, but not to an exceptional degree. The noses, with the exception of one extremely leptorrhine male, are mesorrhine or chamaerrhine; but so are those of many early Danubians. The cranial form is mesocephalic or dolichocephalic, with one male reaching the figure of 83; the vault is moderately high; the forehead usually straight, the browridges moderate.

There is nothing new about these crania, and nothing specifically mongoloid. They closely resemble another small series of eight male skulls from the cemetery of Polom in the same district as the Anan'ino cemeteries6 (see Appendix I, cot. 50), dating from the ninth century A.D., and known to have been those of Finns of the Permian sub-family. In view of the small numbers, no difference can be found which would be statistically valid. A third group from the Lower Volga, representing the Mordvins of the fourteenth century, is similar to the Anan'ino and Permian crania, except that it is extremely long headed, with low indices, centered about the range from 71 to 73.

When we make a metrical comparison between the first two groups of Finnish skulls and all European series previously studied, the find that they fit into the ranks of Iron Age Indo-European speakers without difficulty. On the whole, they resemble most nearly the larger-sized members of the intermediate group; they also resemble the Scythian crania to a considerable extent, and even more the Minussinsk skulls. They arc slightly smaller than the Germanic type, but equal to it in vault height and face breadth. In nose form and cranial height, they resemble the Neolithic Danubians.

News of the racial position of these early Finnish skulls will come as a surprise to scholars who see in the Finns a group of mongoloid immigrants from Asia. But that they were essentially if not wholly European is, despite the paucity of Debetz's material, incontestable. Nor can one derive these Finns from forest-dwellers of Mesolithic tradition, except perhaps as a minor influence. Furthermore, in the early Anan'ino series, recognizable Corded peculiarities are to he found in but one male skull out of seven. The Finno-Ugrians, therefore, may be tentatively considered to have been, in the period before they expanded into their historic scats, Europeans of mixed origin, basically Danubian in type, with some brachycephalic ele ment and an extremely long-headed variation as well; the latter is already familiar to us in the form of the Corded type; the former is not clearly definable, but is European. Its only discernible difference from the others in the same series is in a greater breadth of the skull. This broad-headed element is completely lacking in the late lower Volga group, of which we have only the cranial indices.

Debetz's discovery that the Finno-Ugrian speakers were originally purely European in race, and furthermore, not local Palaeolithic or Mesolithic survivors, is in perfect accord with the present state of linguistic knowledge, which makes their form of speech one of two equally weighted elements in the basic Indo-European. They not only were, but on logical grounds must have been, in the larger sense, Mediterraneans.

On equally logical grounds, this discovery does not invalidate the hypothesis that the descendants of Mesolithic hunters and fishers persisted until modern times in the forests of the far north, nor that some such survivors may not have been absorbed by those tribes of Finns which migrated even beyond the Permian country to the chilly drainage of the Arctic Ocean. This theory is very hard to test, however, for if we review the early racial history of the northern forest belt,' we find very little skeletal data with which to work. What material there is comes almost entirely from Latvia, Esthonia, and the Ladoga Lake country, all north and west of the historic Finnic center. It includes skulls of Corded type, both with and without mixture, and a number of ill-defined crania which do not fit into the usual European picture. Many of these latter are brachycephalic, some are perhaps, but not certainly, incipiently or partially mongoloid.

Unfortunately, the manner in which these skulls have been published does not permit a lucid review of their racial position. Similar ones appeared sporadically in Late Neolithic and Bronze Age series in Poland and on the plains of southern Russia, apparently as intrusions from the north, but not in sufficient numbers to alter the prevailing character of the population south of the forest from which they, as the osseous headpieces of stray woodsmen, had wandered.

Until almost three centuries after the birth of Christ, therefore, Europe, except possibly along the very Arctic rim, had not witnessed the invasion of any mongoloid people. Western Asia, from the Bosporus to the Indus, and the plains immediately east of the Caspian as well, were equally ignorant of them. But with the arrival of the Huns this gap was soon filled.


ON THE OTHER HAND, THIS IS WHAT HE WRITES ABOUT THE EAST BALTIC RACE



For the sake of continuity, let us return to the beginning of section eight, in which we expressed the intention of studying the racial composition of the Baltic Finns. We have seen, in the meanwhile, that the basic Finnic racial type, to which belong the Volga Finns and their relatives from Carelia to the Obi River, is a modern counterpart of the prehistoric Danubian race, with leanings in both a Nordic and a Ladogan direction. This type has been, therefore, named Neo-Danubian. It was this Neo-Danubian racial type that the ancestors of the Baltic Finns must have brought with them from the Volga country in their westward migrations during the centuries immediately preceding and after the time of Christ. The deviations of the modern Baltic Finns from this type will reflect the influence of the earlier inhabitants of the Baltic shorelands upon the invaders, and to a lesser extent, the influence of later peoples who have been amalgamated into the Finnic ethnic body.

Again Coon starts by stating the original Finno-Ugrians were Danubian Mediterraneans in type, which Coon also considers to be the main type of the Proto-Indo-Europeans.



NOW WHAT ARE THE EAST BALTICS:


The earliest Baltic lands occupied by the invaders were Esthonia and much of modern Latvia, including especially Kurland and Livonia. These codutries had, however, supported a population of some density for centuries before the Finnish arrival. The old Kammkeramik people of the tardy northern Neolithic are represented by the skulls from Salis Roje; large crania of at least two varieties, an incipient mongoloid, and a wide-faced mesocephal of Palaeolithic appearance. Food-producing people of a later date, who settled in numbers along the southern shore of the Gulf of Finland, are represented by numerous skeletal remains, which show them to have been a composite population characterized by extremely tall stature, robust bones and large bodies, large heads, with dimensions suggesting a blend of Corded and Upper Palaeolithic elements, comparable to that in western Norway. The early inhabitants of Esthonia were especially high headed, and long and broad faced. It is the combination of the Kammkeramik forest types (*Ladogan) with this extravagantly proportioned human form, and with the immigrant Finns from the Volga country, that has produced the modern Baltic Finnish racial entity.

THE LIVONIANS, THE ARCHETYPICAL EAST BALTICS:


The most southerly of the surviving Baltic Finns are the Livs, who inhabit twelve villages situated along a strip of coast which extends on either side of the promontory of Domesnes, at the southern entrance of the Gulf of Riga, in the province of Kurland, Latvia.88 The Livs are the last of the Finns in what is now Latvia to retain their native speech, for on the eastern side of the Gulf of Riga, the Livonian language died out in 1862. In 1852 there were 2354 Livs; in 1881, 2374; by 1920, however, the number had been reduced to 831, and it is probable that the Livs are destined to lose their language as well as their ethnic identity.

In view of this impending absorption, it is fortunate that the Livs have been subjected to careful anthropometric study.89 Two series of 100 adult males each, measured in 1878 and 1922, both yield a mean stature of 174 cm.; hence the Livs are very tall, and have derived none of their height through the modern increase mechanism which has elevated other peoples in northwestern Europe. They are large boned, long limbed, and at the same time heavy and powerfully built; their shoulders are broad, but their relative sitting height of 51.3 shows an excess of leg rather than body length. Their heads and faces are both large, comparable in size to those of western Norwegians. Length and breadth diameters of the head, with means of 193.3 mm. and 155.1 mm., produce a cephalic index with a mean of 80.2, which, although the range runs from 70 to 90, is not especially variable. It will be observed that the head form of the eastern Finns has been preserved, while the head size has been greatly increased.

In the facial dimensions, however, a menton-nasion height of 122.5 mm. equals that of Carelians and other Finns of smaller total size, while the bizygomatic mean, 145.8 mm., greatly exceeds the Finnish standard. The resultant facial index, 84.1, is therefore low, and the Livs are definitely euryprosopic. Other facial widths are also extremely great; the minimum frontal mean is 110 mm., that of the bigonial 113 mm. Hence a broad brow and an extremely broad jaw are essential Liv features, as is a wide distance between the eyes. Although no nasal measurements have been taken, observations show that the nasal profile is usually straight, with an upturned snub tip in many instances. The orbits are horizontal, the lips usually thin, the lines which stretch from the nose to the corners of the mouth strongly marked. The hair form, although straight in three-fourths of the sample, is not infrequently deeply waved or curly. Furthermore, the body hair and beard are characteristically heavy.

The head hair, most frequently ash-blond or light to medium brown, is shown by a correlation based on the Fischer chart to be lighter than that for the kingdom of Norway, which is, on the same basis, the lightest in Scandinavia.90 At the same time the eyes are specifically gray91 in 74 per cent of the group, while blue eyes are exceptional, and brown irises limited to 8 per cent of the whole.

COON'S CONCLUSIONS:


The foregoing description of the Livs shows that their metrical resemblance to the mother-type of the Finns (*which like mentioned before was the MEDITERRANEAN DANUBIAN) is not close, and that they must have derived much of their racial heritage from the earlier inhabitants of the eastern Baltic lowlands. At the same time they preserve, whether by convergence or by heredity, the head form of the eastern Finns (*Coon means here Volga Uralics, the mediterranean Danubians), and some of the most characteristic Finnish (*Mediterranean Danubian) facial features. Their chief difference from the Finnic prototype is an excess of body and head size, an excess of facial breadths, of blondism, and of hairiness. They represent an extreme form of what is designated in the present work as the East Baltic race, a racial entity in which the previously described Neo-Danubian race, whether acting through a Finnic or an Indo-European linguistic and cultural medium, is a contributing factor.

So in short. East Baltic is aboriginal UP type of the Baltic shores, whereas Danubian is mediterranean Neolithic type of Eastern Europe and Volga-Urals.

[Harkonnen]

By the way, if you hack off the massive browridge, Coon's East Baltic corresponds very well to William Ripley's "tall-statured blond type of the Baltic shores", that is Finno-Teutonic

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?103055-quot-Finno-Teutonics-quot&p=4100920#post4100920

[glass]

Doesn't she have too low forehead and too wide face to be any kind of nordid? Without make up and haircut she is just of alpi(g)nid peasant stock.

[cosmoo]

So in short. East Baltic is aboriginal UP type of the Baltic shores, whereas Danubian is mediterranean Neolithic type of Eastern Europe and Volga-Urals.

East Baltic does have predominant UP influence, but it is not full, unaltered UP (like Borreby or Brunn). Coon basically said it is derived from Ladogan (admixed UP), strongly mixed with Corded, Hallstatt, and unreduced UP influences:
"(4) Ladogan: I propose to give this name to the descendants of the mesocephalic and brachycephalic forest-dwelling population of northern Europe east of the Baltic in Kammkeramik times. This type is a blend of a partly mongoloid brachycephalic element with a mesocephalic form of general Upper Palaeolithic aspect; these elements are seen in crania from Lake Ladoga and Salis Roje. (See Chapter IV, section 13, pp. 125-126.) Corded and/or Danubian elements are inextricably blended here, although the mongoloid and Upper Palaeolithic elements seem at present more important. In its present form this composite type shows two numerous variants:

(a) Neo-Danubian: Strongly mixed with the old Danubian, and to a lesser extent other elements, to form the common peasant type of eastern Europe, with many local variants.

(b) East Baltic: Strongly mixed with Corded, Iron Age Nordic, and western Palaeolithic survivors to form the predominant population of much of Finland and the Baltic States."
(TRoE, chapter VIII, section 6)

[Gwendolen]

I've genuinely only just learned that she is 40 years old!
Beautiful woman

[Peterski]

She looks Ukrainian as fuck but I don't know what anthropological type is that.

[Odin]

Baltid + Faelid.