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Baluarte
04-22-2013, 02:43 PM
Norway closer to drafting women

Norway’s Labour Party has become the latest to approve a measure promoting mandatory gender-neutral military service for young Norwegian citizens. It was the second-most debated issue at Labour’s national meeting over the weekend, and means women would be subject to compulsory military duty just as their male counterparts have been for years.

It’s currently voluntary for women to join the military in Norway. Now they may soon be eligible for the draft, if political momentum towards approval of non-gender compulsory service continues to build. PHOTO: Forsvaret
Labour’s coalition government partners, the Socialist Left party (SV) and the Center Party, have already approved what’s called verneplikt (conscription) for women at their national party meetings earlier this year. The non-socialist Liberal Party (Venstre) also approved a military draft for women, and several top officials of the Conservative Party (Høyre) including Ine Marie Eriksen Søreide and Julie V Brodtkorp, are keen to do the same at their upcoming party meeting where the military draft issue for women is on the agenda.

Young women are already subject to what’s called sesjonsplikt in Norway, meaning they can be called up for evaluation for military service. Now they may be actually drafted into the armed forces as well, as political momentum moves toward draft eligibility for all.

Only the issue of whether to allow oil exploration and drilling off Lofoten sparked as much debate at Labour’s weekend meeting in Oslo, but a majority ended up voting in favour. Defense Minister Anne-Grete Strøm-Erichsen and Foreign Minister Espen Barth Eide, both from the Labour Party, took credit for the victory, arguing that draft eligibility for everyone sends “a strong signal” that women “have just as great a right and duty to contribute towards the defense of the country as men.”

“The defense forces have among the greatest power in Norway, and if that’s left only to men, it goes against the fundamental principle of equality in the country,” Strøm-Erichsen told newspaper Aftenposten. “We favour rights and duties being shared. That must also apply if we face a crisis.”

Defense Minister Anne-Grete Strøm-Erichsen from the Labour Party, shown here at seminar for female officers last winter, claims the Norwegian military needs more women. She successfully promoted the measure to make women subject to a military draft as well as men. PHOTO: Forsvaret


As the latest in a long string of female defense ministers in Norway from both ends of the political spectrum, Strøm-Erichsen contended that “the military needs women, and needs more women.” She said that eligibility for mere military evaluation hasn’t resulted in enough women joining the military, and both she and Eide argued successfully in favour of a “more modern military” that includes more women in active duty, a more highly educated military (noting that a majority of students at university in Norway are now women) and a need for more diversity within the defense establishment.
While several Labour Party chapters campaigned actively to approve the draft measure in the same year when Norway is marking the 100th anniversary of women’s right to vote, and officials in the US for example have ended a ban on women in combat, some leading Norwegian feminists opposed the draft measure.

They argued that “militarizing” women doesn’t liberate them, and that women in the military also can be vulnerable to violence and abuse. Others argued in favour of a draft, but not necessarily into the armed forces. Rather, Kjersti Toppe of the Center Party has promoted compulsory community service for all men and women including, for example, spending a year working in a nursing home or in another welfare sector.

Some top Labour Party women also opposed the measure, including Anniken Huitfeldt who currently serves as Norway’s labour minister. She argued that the military doesn’t need more people eligible for the draft, noting that the majority of young men are already turned down and avoid service. The so-called “equality argument,” Huitfeldt claimed as late as February, paled in comparison to the military’s actual needs.

But now a draft for women looms, although its costs may mean that implementation of it is delayed. No one expects the matter to come up for a vote during the remainder of this parliamentary session, but perhaps within the next.

In other issues at Labour’s meeting over the weekend, party members voted to phase out the controversial fur farming industry (another issue that puts it at odds with its coalition partner, the Center Party), ban semi-automatic weapons, provide some form of dental health expense assistance and work towards allowing Norwegians as young as 16 to vote in all municipal elections. Labour also voted to promote construction of 3,000 more student housing units (much too few, argued student leaders have argued) and allow young, single asylum seekers to attend high school. Labour also wants the state to invest more money in maintaining Norway’s timber industry.

Views and News from Norway/Nina Berglund

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Baluarte
04-22-2013, 02:44 PM
I do hope Norway is not involved in any wars or deployments in the future. Imagine the risk for women if they were to enter combat or fall prisoners to the enemy...

evon
04-22-2013, 06:15 PM
I am against conscription in general, but i have always said that if we are to keep it, then women as much as men should be drafted, and it seems 2015 will be the starting year for female drafting into the armed forces...

Furnace
04-22-2013, 06:18 PM
Palla, you can't escape military duty now!!!






























Sorry my dear friend, it was only a joke.

The Lawspeaker
04-22-2013, 06:19 PM
I am sure the feminists are not happy about this because feminists want the freedom without the responsibility. We should have done the same thing instead of giving in to their demands and abandoning the draft.

Issy
04-22-2013, 06:30 PM
I'm not sure about women going into war. Aren't men generally protective over women? I think it may become a distraction out there in the open. Not that I'd know, maybe someone with experience can give a better picture.

evon
04-22-2013, 06:33 PM
I'm not sure about women going into war. Aren't men generally protective over women? I think it may become a distraction out there in the open. Not that I'd know, maybe someone with experience can give a better picture.

I served with allot of women, as they can serve now, but they are not drafted, while men are, there was not much difference between us and them, they did everything we did and so on, and as for being a distraction, that can also be a good thing in times of war when people get depressed and lonely..

Furnace
04-22-2013, 06:35 PM
I'm not sure about women going into war. Aren't men generally protective over women? I think it may become a distraction out there in the open. Not that I'd know, maybe someone with experience can give a better picture.

I agree, but watching poetic justice unfolding for the feminists is worth it.

Lorene
04-22-2013, 06:37 PM
women can serve in the army ever since people invented a thing called, "technology", "automatic rifle, automatic pistols, etc"... evolution helped men become stronger than women for thousands of years, but this is useless now. the mankind has invented weapons and hight tech military technology that don't need biceps to work, and a bullet from a skinny boy's automatic pistols wil kill anyone as dead as a bullet from the strongest man's revolver... what matter now is the precision and coldness..

strentgh still matters for recoil, but it's nothing that can't just be adusted with training and automatic guns are more than enough to kill people (though I am against it). Besides, who said there can't be woman snipers, woman pilots or woman who drive tanks?

Siberian Cold Breeze
04-22-2013, 07:00 PM
I am positive about that and would support if Turkish army needs to draft women .
We already have women in our army but they are graduated from military schools .

Baluarte
06-16-2013, 09:28 AM
And now it's done:

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Norway becomes first NATO country to draft women into military

(Reuters) - Norway's parliament voted overwhelmingly on Friday to conscript women into its armed forces, becoming the first European and first NATO country to make military service compulsory for both genders.

"Rights and duties should be the same for all," said Labor lawmaker Laila Gustavsen, a supporter of the bill. "The armed forces need access to the best resources, regardless of gender, and right now mostly men are recruited."

Norway has been at the forefront in the fight for gender equality, introducing measures such as requiring all public limited companies to fill at least 40 percent of their board seats with women. On Wednesday the country celebrated a century since Norwegian women won the right to vote.

Women make up half of the current government, and opposition leader Erna Solberg is expected to become Norway's second female prime minister in elections later this year, according to opinion polls which indicate her Conservative Party and its allies will win a parliamentary majority.

"This is historic. For me it is fantastic to make history, for the armed forces and for women," Gustavsen said.

NATO member Norway has reduced its armed forces since the end of the Cold War and spends heavily on technology to keep a small but advanced military.

Women already serve in the military, but do so of their own volition. They make up a tenth of the armed forces, according to the ministry of defense.

The change is not expected to force women to serve against their will but should help improve the gender balance.

All young people can be conscripted in theory, but since the end of the Cold War the Norwegian armed forces have become more selective in choosing conscripts as their needs have changed.

Those who do not want to serve can often find a reason, such as university studies, to avoid the draft.

"In theory, it is possible (women would have to serve against their will), just as it can happen to men," Gustavsen said.

"But in practice, the armed forces recruit the most motivated young people."

(Reporting by Gwladys Fouche; Writing by Balazs Koranyi; Editing by Pravin Char)

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What can I say really?..... I'm glad it's not a country very dear to me. :)