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Baluarte
04-02-2013, 05:31 PM
The Netherlands, Berlin's most important ally in pushing for greater budgetary discipline in Europe, has fallen into an economic crisis itself. The once exemplary economy is suffering from huge debts and a burst real estate bubble, which has stalled growth and endangered jobs.

Michel Scheepens is familiar with risk. The 41-year-old oversees the energy market for the Dutch bank ING, and it's his job to determine whether his employer should finance such projects as a wind farm in Cyprus or a gas-fired power plant in Turkey. Until now, it was always other people's money that was involved.

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For some time, however, Scheepens has been experiencing what a poor investment feels like on a personal level. Six years ago, the father of three bought half of a duplex for his family in the commuter town of Nieuw-Vennep, near the North Sea coast. The red brick building cost €430,000 ($552,000), but the bank generously offered him a loan of €500,000, so that there was enough money left over for renovations, along with notary and community fees. Scheepens had intended to resell the house after a few years, as is common in the Netherlands. But then prices tumbled following the Lehman bankruptcy. If the family were to sell the house today, it would have to pay the lender €60,000. His house is "onder water," as Scheepens says.

"Underwater" is a good description of the crisis in a country where large parts of the territory are below sea level. Ironically, the Netherlands, once a model economy, now faces the kind of real estate crisis that has only affected the United States and Spain until now. Banks in the Netherlands have also pumped billions upon billions in loans into the private and commercial real estate market since the 1990s, without ensuring that borrowers had sufficient collateral.

Private homebuyers, for example, could easily find banks to finance more than 100 percent of a property's price. "You could readily obtain a loan for five times your annual salary," says Scheepens, "and all that without a cent of equity." This was only possible because property owners were able to fully deduct mortgage interest from their taxes.

Instead of paying off the loans, borrowers normally put some of the money into an investment fund, month after month, hoping for a profit. The money was to be used eventually to pay off the loan, at least in part. But it quickly became customary to expect the value of a given property to increase substantially. Many Dutch savers expected that the resale of their homes would generate enough money to pay off the loans, along with a healthy profit.

An Economy on the Brink

More than a decade ago, the Dutch central bank recognized the dangers of this euphoria, but its warnings went unheeded. Only last year did the new government, under conservative-liberal Prime Minister Mark Rutte, amend the generous tax loopholes, which gradually began to expire in January. But now it's almost too late. No nation in the euro zone is as deeply in debt as the Netherlands, where banks have a total of about €650 billion in mortgage loans on their books.

Consumer debt amounts to about 250 percent of available income. By comparison, in 2011 even the Spaniards only reached a debt ratio of 125 percent.

The Netherlands is still one of the most competitive countries in the European Union, but now that the real estate bubble has burst, it threatens to take down the entire economy with it. Unemployment is on the rise, consumption is down and growth has come to a standstill. Despite tough austerity measures, this year the government in The Hague will violate the EU deficit criterion, which forbid new borrowing of more than 3 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).

It's a heavy burden, especially for Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem, who is also the new head of the Euro Group, and now finds himself in the unexpected role of being both a watchdog for the monetary union and a crisis candidate.

Even €46 billion in austerity measures are apparently not enough to remain within the EU debt limit. Although Dijsselbloem has announced another €4.3 billion in cuts in public service and healthcare, they will only take effect in 2014.

"Sticking the knife in even more deeply" would be "very, very unreasonable," Social Democrat Dijsselbloem told German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, in an attempt to justify the delay. It's the kind of rhetoric normally heard from Europe's stricken southern countries. The adverse effects of living beyond one's means have become apparent since the financial crisis began. Many of the tightly calculated financing models are no longer working out, and citizens can hardly pay their debts anymore. The prices of commercial and private real estate, which were absurdly high for a time, are sinking dramatically. The once-booming economy is stalling.

Unemployment on the Rise

"A vicious cycle develops in such situations," says Jörg Rocholl, president of the European School of Management and Technology in Berlin and a member of the council of academic advisors to the German Finance Ministry. "Customers have too much debt and cannot service their loans. This causes problems for the banks, which are no longer supplying enough money to the economy. This leads to an economic downturn and high unemployment, which makes loan repayment even more difficult."

The official unemployment rate has already climbed to 7.7 percent. In reality, it is probably much higher, but that has been masked until now by a demographic group called the ZZP. The "Zelfstandigen zonder personeel" ("Self-employed without employees") are remotely related to the German model of the "Ich-AG" ("Me, Inc."). About 800,000 ZZPers currently work in the Netherlands.

One of them is Rob Huisman. The 47-year-old lives with his wife and son in Santpoort, near Haarlem. In 2006 Huisman, an IT specialist, left his position with a large consulting firm to start his own business. It went well at first, with Huisman earning €100 an hour. But over time many customers, both governmental and private, slashed the fees they were willing to pay. Sometimes jobs were simply deleted altogether. "For companies it's worthwhile to let their permanent employees go and then take on temporary work contracts," says the IT expert. "It saves them the social security costs."

There is cutthroat competition among the self-employed, who are undercutting each other to secure occasional jobs. "If you don't accept a job, someone else will snap it up," says Huisman. In addition, he is unable to pay contributions to his retirement fund at the moment. "We are living largely on our savings," he says.

No End in Sight

The Dutch were long among Europe's most diligent savers, and in the crisis many are holding onto their money even more tightly, which is also toxic to the economy. "One of the main problems is declining consumption," says Johannes Hers of the Centraal Planbureau in The Hague, the council of experts at the Economics Ministry.

His office expects a 0.5-percent decline in growth for 2013. Some 755 companies declared bankruptcy in February, the highest number since records began in 1981. The banking sector is also laying off thousands of employees at the moment.

Because of the many mortgage loans on the books, the financial industry is extremely inflated, so much so that the total assets of all banks are four-and-a-half times the size of economic output.

In February, the government was forced to nationalize SNS Bank, the country's fourth-largest bank, because it had a large portfolio of bad loans for commercial real estate. The remaining banks only want to securitize a portion of their giant loan portfolios and resell the securities through a special mortgage bank -- primarily to the country's pension funds, where the Dutch have put away large sums for retirement.
Young families like the Scheepens, who have bought a home in recent years, are now hoping that they can at least keep their jobs. Although their duplex has lost value, they can still make the monthly payments.

But the cuts are getting closer. A neighbor recently lost his job, and well-educated people can no longer find jobs. "There is no end to the crisis in sight," says Scheepens.

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan

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Seems the potential candidates of the "Northern Union" find themselves in more and more trouble.

Albion
04-19-2013, 08:58 PM
For some time, however, Scheepens has been experiencing what a poor investment feels like on a personal level. Six years ago, the father of three bought half of a duplex for his family in the commuter town of Nieuw-Vennep, near the North Sea coast. The red brick building cost €430,000 ($552,000), but the bank generously offered him a loan of €500,000, so that there was enough money left over for renovations, along with notary and community fees. Scheepens had intended to resell the house after a few years, as is common in the Netherlands. But then prices tumbled following the Lehman bankruptcy. If the family were to sell the house today, it would have to pay the lender €60,000. His house is "onder water," as Scheepens says.

I have no sympathy for such people, they are basically immoral and greedy and got what they deserved for pushing house prices up for the rest of us. Thanks to them property prices are sky high, then the bubbles burst and take the economy with them. We cannot blame banks solely for this.


The Dutch were long among Europe's most diligent savers, and in the crisis many are holding onto their money even more tightly, which is also toxic to the economy. "One of the main problems is declining consumption," says Johannes Hers of the Centraal Planbureau in The Hague, the council of experts at the Economics Ministry.

This is rather a Keynesian view. Dropping a few non-essential taxes such as ones on oil and gas would perhaps encourage some spending.

Baluarte
04-23-2013, 11:42 AM
22 April 2013, by Mark McDaid

The number of people unemployed in the Netherlands has risen by 30.000 during March to a total of 643.000, 8,1 percent of the total working-age population!

These figures have been released by CBS, the national bureau for statistics in the Netherlands. Earlier this month the agency revealed that the Netherlands has the 2nd highest inflation rate in the eurozone, and these new statistics on unemployment have thrown yet another gauntlet down for a coalition desperately trying to reverse the accelerating joblessness in the country.

25 to 44 year-olds
The sharpest rise in unemployment came from people in the 25-44 years-old bracket where an average of 11.000 people lost their jobs in each of the last three months. Among the over-45s this rate was 8.000 and among the under-25s 4.000.

Unemployment benefits
The only glimpse of optimism afforded by the CBS was in the statistics concerning unemployment benefit. The number of people claiming benefit under the age 25 declined slightly and of the 45.000 benefits which were stopped, 20.000 were as a result of people finding work, a rise of 20 percent from February.

However, the overall number of people claiming unemployment aid rose by 0,8 percent in March, a total of 48.000 people, and the number of people whose benefits were stopped as a result of their period of entitlement running out also rose.

The Lawspeaker
04-23-2013, 03:17 PM
(I have merged the two threads as it keeps the house in clean).

The Lawspeaker
04-23-2013, 03:35 PM
I have no sympathy for such people, they are basically immoral and greedy and got what they deserved for pushing house prices up for the rest of us. Thanks to them property prices are sky high, then the bubbles burst and take the economy with them. We cannot blame banks solely for this.
Exactly. It is VERY difficult for so-called starters (first time buyers, usually young couples) to buy a house because the prices were just too high. Even during the crisis starters don't have a field day because they, usually in fear of losing their jobs, can't afford a home.




This is rather a Keynesian view. Dropping a few non-essential taxes such as ones on oil and gas would perhaps encourage some spending.
What frightens them more are the mandatory healthcare costs which now rise well over 200 euro's the month for most people (excluding the own risk). We don't have an NHS, Albion, we have private healthcare.

The Lawspeaker
04-23-2013, 08:34 PM
The tone of the news reader (http://vizoo.nl/rtl-nl/de-crisis-ontziet-nu-echt-niemand-meer/5900.html) in regards to the economy was sobering and sombre.

Vasconcelos
04-23-2013, 09:22 PM
Still not that bad, unemployment rates amongst young Spaniards is 55%.

The Lawspeaker
04-23-2013, 09:23 PM
Still not that bad, unemployment rates amongst young Spaniards is 55%.
I know but when you look at the history of the Dutch unemployment rates we have only here during the 1980s (12 to 15 percent if my memory serves me well) and 1930s (about 20 percent).

http://files.flexnieuws.nl/wp-uploads/2012/09/CBS_stijging_jeugdwerkloosheid_1971-2011.png

Graham
04-23-2013, 09:29 PM
Still not that bad, unemployment rates amongst young Spaniards is 55%.
ouch! They're welcome to move to Scotland if it helps, I like them.

It's only fair, if they let so many of us in their home.

Vasconcelos
04-23-2013, 09:32 PM
Here in Portugal it's only at 40%, but hey..we don't like to be behind Spain at anything, I'm pretty sure we'll catch up!

Graham
04-23-2013, 10:52 PM
The Scottish National Party have targeted the problem, it was being watched closely. Higher than the Uk last year, now lower. As we attacked the problem.



Battle on youth unemployment
Published on 22 April 2013
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/political-news/battle-on-youth-unemployment.20872791
SCOTLAND'S Youth Employment Minister Angela Constance has vowed to "fight tooth and nail" to avoid a lost generation of jobless young people.

She spoke out after encouraging figures last week showed a fall in youth unemployment to 16%, down from 23% a year ago.

However, she warned the Scottish Government's efforts were restricted without control over employment services, which are operated by the UK's Department for Work and Pensions' Jobcentre network. She said: "We've heard much about the legacy of mass unemployment in the 1980s. The Scottish Government will not abandon young people. We will fight tooth and nail to ensure that there will never be another lost generation.

"We would like to do more, but without powers to direct employment services, we are unable to implement the youth guarantee agreed by the European Parliament which would give all 16 to 24-year-olds a quality offer of a job, education, traineeship or apprenticeship at four months of becoming unemployed.

"We will continue to put our frustrations to one side as the Scottish Government makes young people our business."

Anglojew
04-24-2013, 06:28 AM
over 60% of Moroccan youths between 17 and 23 drop out of school without even a basic qualification; Moroccan youth unemployment in the Netherlands is around 40%; more than 60% of Moroccan males between ages 40 and 64 live on Dutch social welfare benefits.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2624/moroccan-crime-netherlands

The Lawspeaker
04-24-2013, 06:35 AM
over 60% of Moroccan youths between 17 and 23 drop out of school without even a basic qualification; Moroccan youth unemployment in the Netherlands is around 40%; more than 60% of Moroccan males between ages 40 and 64 live on Dutch social welfare benefits.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2624/moroccan-crime-netherlands
No Jewish anti-Islamic propaganda, please. Let the Dutch deal with this. Welfare payments in the Netherlands are nothing (€ 660,98 the month (http://www.rechtopbijstand.nl/inhoud/index/pid/75)) and 200 of which go to health insurance, over 300 euro's to pay the rent. The average health insurance costs a family 3000 euro's (http://www.independer.nl/zorgverzekering/info/onderzoek/basisverzekering-2013-gezin-bijna-3000-euro.aspx) per year and the rate is going up as we speak. Remains ? Nothing. We have actual breadlines here in this country known as "food banks" staffed by volunteers and some minor action comes from the church (and more from the mosques) but also there money is running out.

Anglojew
04-24-2013, 06:40 AM
No Jewish anti-Islamic propaganda, please. Let the Dutch deal with this.

Definition of propaganda

noun

1 [mass noun] information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view;

Is what I posted the truth? If it isn't prove me wrong. You may want to cover it up but it's neither a lie nor propaganda which means that it is you promoting biased or misleading information therefore you're the propagandist.

Also, notice how he implies that Jews are liars. So Jews are collectively guilty but Musims are not. Everyone can look up it up for themselves and see if I'm right but what is evident is The Lawspeaker is a traitor to his country and to the West.

The Lawspeaker
04-24-2013, 06:43 AM
Definition of propaganda

noun

1 [mass noun] information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view;

Is what I posted the truth? If it isn't prove me wrong. You may want to cover it up but it's neither a lie nor propaganda which means that it is you promoting biased or misleading information therefore you're the propagandist.
I am from this country so I know better. I don't have to use Jew institutions that have a misleading policy to spread propaganda about other countries without stating actual facts. If you haven't got anything to contribute in regards to the actual unemployment you might just as well want to leave this thread.

The Lawspeaker
04-24-2013, 06:47 AM
Because of an attempt to hijack this thread I am closing it.