Fìmmini siciliani / Sicilian women / Donne siciliane

[alfieb]

Of the last decade's Miss Italy winners, three were from Sicily. Why? Because Italians recognize beauty. Even though Sicily has less than 10% of the Republic's population, we produce its most beautiful women. In fact, when Miriam Leone won Miss Italy in 2008, three of the last five finalists were Sicilians.

Here are the three gorgeous fìmmini siciliani who won Miss Italy in 2003, 2008, and 2012:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pDLO8eZB4Jg/T99p4VcNgFI/AAAAAAAADf8/CvbouS8leuo/s1600/FrancescaChillemi123142vvvvvvfdt45r34h56u6+%281%29 .jpg
http://titanimg.titan24.com/news/2009/10/29/ca538c3431_1256748114.jpg
http://hariansragen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Francesca-Chillemi.jpg

Francesca Chillemi, age 27, from Messina [Miss Italy 2003]




http://sceglilfilm.antanet.it/media/k2/items/cache/fd1429255a665b9fec069acea588380b_XL.jpg
http://www.giulianovanews.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/miriam-leone.jpg
http://alessandrogirola.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/miriam6.jpg

Miriam Leone, age 28, from Catania [Miss Italy 2008]




http://www.ilmessaggero.it/ArchivioNews/20121226_giusi.jpg
http://livesicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/dc2ca4408325d29f1402c7c080ca4ccf.jpg
http://www.missitalia.it/Portals/0/EasyGalleryImages/1/528/045_2.jpg

Giusy Buscemi, age 20, from Trapani [Current Miss Italy (2012)]

[Shkembe Chorba]

Meeh http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/sleeping-smileys/smiley_to_sleep020.gif

[alfieb]

Meeh http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/sleeping-smileys/smiley_to_sleep020.gif

Certainly better than your Bulgarian women. Even Turks wouldn't rape them - they preferred Ukrainians, Poles, Albanians, Greeks, and Serbs for their harems. :yawn:

[Shkembe Chorba]

Certainly better than your Bulgarian women. Even Turks wouldn't rape them - they preferred Ukrainians, Poles, Albanians, Greeks, and Serbs for their harems. :yawn:

Yes, true one, our mothers werent whores.

[alfieb]

http://wearethequeens.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/488716053d630.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pV01-zTcMWY/TgyDPPxkWSI/AAAAAAAACNU/FRpKyHNkSnU/s1600/Calendario_In-The-Mood-2008_06_LAURA-TORRISI_ph%252540Enrico-Ricciardi.jpg
http://www.vegastar.it/Portals/0/Laura%20Torrisi%20ok.jpg

Laura Torrisi, age 33, from Catania

[Sunphq]

http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh484/sunphq/jessicab_zps99cce6cd.jpg
http://beautypageantnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/JESSICA-BELLINGHIERI.jpg
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4041/giusy0114kt8.jpg
http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Giusy+Ferreri+Scalo+76+Italian+Music+Show+3k0OGvdS ZDBx.jpg
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/54049971/Giusy+Ferreri++21.png
http://www.massimadesign.ch/immagini/casi_003_big.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4147.jpg
http://www.italiani.lu/mmp/online/website/menu_left/2717/photo_gallery/910/1177/image_20661/049b-1.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4154.jpg
http://www.radiomosaici.com/2011/images/stories/MissItalia/2007/robertaserpente049.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/IMG_4759.jpg

[Arbërori]

Meravigliose! :kiss:

I had a Sicilian neighbour once, she was stunning. :)


Certainly better than your Bulgarian women. Even Turks wouldn't rape them - they preferred Ukrainians, Poles, Albanians, Greeks, and Serbs for their harems. :yawn:

Unfortunately, they did... Why do you think some Turks look almost human? :lol:

[alfieb]

Unfortunately, they did... Why do you think some Turks look almost human? :lol:
The same reason why Michael Corleone's wife was said to look more Greek than Italian.

We Mediterraneans are all mixed together. Some just have better mixes than others.



http://static.rbcasting.com/54554-maria-grazia-cucinotta.jpg
http://www.chedonna.it/wp-content/uploads/wallpaper-di-maria-grazia-cucinotta-67224.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H0K3TLtaIXI/TkGfIVjenOI/AAAAAAAAACE/n6q_hSNVTEA/s1600/Maria-Grazia-Cucinotta-bacio.jpg

Maria Grazia Cucinotta, age 44, from Messina

[ariel]

thanks for sharing bro, love med beauty.proud being med.:thumb001:

[Prince Carlo]

I prefer women from Calabria and Sardinia, but they are also good.

[wvwvw]

Certainly better than your Bulgarian women. Even Turks wouldn't rape them - they preferred Ukrainians, Poles, Albanians, Greeks, and Serbs for their harems. :yawn:


Yes, true one, our mothers werent whores.

LOL!

[alfieb]

http://www.arberia.it/missarbereshe/archivio/2006/schiro_02.jpg
http://www.missarbereshe.it/albo_d_oro/images/2007_3.jpg
http://www.missarbereshe.it/albo_d_oro/images/2007_1.jpg
http://www.comune.spezzano-albanese.cs.it/sportello_linguistico/img_ico/Img_mis_arb/x_miss_uscente.JPG
http://i41.tinypic.com/x85xx.jpg

All Arbereshe [ethnic Albanian] beauty queens from Palermo

[Sikeliot]

Sicilians have very large and distinctive eyes. In a good way.

[ChocolateFace]

Sicilian girls are pretty

[Arbërori]

The Arbereshe girls are beautiful aswell! :kiss:

Common mate, don't leave us stranded, give us more! :thumb001:

[Sunphq]

Nicole Grimaudo

http://pad.mymovies.it/cinemanews/2009/26105/grimaudo3.jpg
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nicole+Grimaudo+Lancia+Cafe+Hosts+Ciak+Party+TDH-34szrv7l.jpg

Valeria Bilello

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michelle+Hunziker+Launches+AngelDevil+New+wcVVct0U 1G4l.jpg
http://cdn1.stbm.it/invidia/gallery/foto_gallery/cinema-e-tv/pazze-di-me-film-fausto-brizzi/valeria-bilello-in-posa-al-photocall.jpeg?-3600

[alfieb]

http://www.kataweb.it/tvzap/wp-content/gallery/il-giovane-montalbano/003.jpg
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Valentina+agostino+Le+Cose+Che+Restano+Red+hfUTA2w pGZ4l.jpg
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Valentina+agostino+5th+International+Rome+Qysr-7we_vxl.jpg

Valentina D'Agostino, actress, age 30, from Palermo.

[Sikeliot]

Three from eastern Sicily -- one of them being my avatar photo.


Bruna di Raimondo --

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3321/3662551960_eb59a38fb7_z.jpg?zz=1


Alessia Buetto --

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3381/3655436200_dda0d91972.jpg


Francesca Chillemi --

http://www.funmaximum.com/movies/celeb-images/francesca-chillemi.jpg

[alfieb]

Francesca Chillemi --

http://www.funmaximum.com/movies/celeb-images/francesca-chillemi.jpg
Posted her earlier as well. She was very deserving of Miss Italia. Ten years later and she is still flawless.

One could devote an entire thread just to photos of her. :lol:

She has the Trinacria tattooed on her wrist. :cool:

[Arbërori]

Francesca! :love: :kiss:

[Peyrol]

I met personally Francesca Chillemi some years ago in Portofino (Liguria)...gorgeous girl.

[alfieb]

I met personally Francesca Chillemi some years ago in Portofino (Liguria)...gorgeous girl.
Lucky bastard. I won't post nudes here, but she looks good there too, if someone wishes to google. :laugh:


"Just seeing Sicily when my plane is landing gives me an indescribable joy. The island gives me energy and I love it so much that the image of the Trinacria is tattooed on one of my wrists."

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ssFOslcZJY0/TZghI3if7XI/AAAAAAAADmA/N1apWLdn5xU/s1600/chillemi3.jpg

[Arbërori]

Patriotic and sexy, the best combo. :coffee:

[Sikeliot]

Francesca Chillemi looks almost identical to Rima Fakih, a former Miss America. And both of them remind me of Vanessa Hudgens on High School Musical. Anyone agree?


Rima Fakih:
http://images.askmen.com/photos/rima-fakih/rima-fakih-90924.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Rima+Fakih+newly+crowned+Miss+USA+2010+rolls+Zc-Mgr7gXPvl.jpg?40726PCN_MissUSA01
http://images.askmen.com/2011_top_99/galleries/99-rima-fakih-1295303033.jpg

[alfieb]

Kind-of.

Hudgens is Irish and Filipina, right? Odd that the two would give off a similar vibe.

[Sikeliot]

Kind-of.

Hudgens is Irish and Filipina, right? Odd that the two would give off a similar vibe.

She is Irish, Filipina, Chinese, and Native American. So it is strange yes.

[Arbërori]

Chillemi>Hudgens.

Don't compare a real woman to a snarty brat.

[Peyrol]

She has absolutely nothing of Rima Fakih...

http://images.wikia.com/nonciclopedia/images/c/cb/Francesca_Chillemi.jpg

http://www.settimanalesi.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Francesca_Chillemi1.jpg

http://www.rbcasting.com/image/user_portrait?img_id=francescachillemi

[Sikeliot]

^ I think the two of them, and Vanessa Hudgens, all look quite similar. But it could also be their hair style, style of makeup, etc is similar.

[Arbërori]

She looks like a hybrid between Penelope Cruz & Angelina Jolie, stunning! :kiss:

[Sikeliot]

She looks like a hybrid between Penelope Cruz & Angelina Jolie, stunning! :kiss:

It must just be those pictures. I don't think she looks anything like either one of them.

[Sikeliot]

Here's an old American actress who was (according to someone on these boards) of partial Sicilian roots, when she was younger:

http://theredlist.fr/media/database/muses/icon/cinema_women/anne_bancroft/025_anne_bancroft_theredlist.jpg

[Arbërori]

It must just be those pictures. I don't think she looks anything like either one of them.

Well, I do, but an opinion is subjective in this case. :)

[Sikeliot]

Ohh. I can see some of Angelina Jolie in one of the pics but not Penelope Cruz (who, if anything, looks very similar to my mother).

[alfieb]

http://cinema.it.msn.com/fnts/film/immagini/margarethmade/500/margarethmade06.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EwkZNtA7F8U/UHH-gqqhaOI/AAAAAAAAOjc/EDmtVNjAgtM/s1600/Margareth+Made.jpg
http://pics.wikifeet.com/Margareth-Mad%C3%A8-Feet-363877.jpg

Margareth Madè, actress, age 30, from Catania

[Sikeliot]

Margareth Madè, actress, age 30, from Catania

I know a girl from Epirus who looks identical to her.

[alfieb]

With green eyes?

[Sikeliot]

With green eyes?


Yes! I'll message you her.

[Arbërori]

A model from my hometown looks exactly like her!

[alfieb]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8471/8147603353_dc7c808bef_o.jpg
http://www.canicattiweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/AIMG_7351.jpg
http://www.gds.it/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/CALTANISSETTA/235477_album/cl17_nadia.jpg

Nadia Quattrocchi, model, age 22, from Caltanissetta

[Sikeliot]

^^ Very beautiful. People in Caltanissetta have a distinctive look as I've said before and she has it.

[alfieb]

On all of the Italian-language sites I've seen talk about her, they all refer to her as "looking like Shakira".

[Peyrol]

Claudia Cardinale, one of the most beautiful woman ever

http://bethmarch.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/claudia-cardinale.jpg

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/21100000/Claudia-Cardinale-claudia-cardinale-21182044-589-784.jpg

http://theplace2.ru/archive/claudia_cardinale/img/2me31p2.jpg

[alfieb]

First photo shows up as Bill Gates.

[Peyrol]

First photo shows up as Bill Gates.

Lol....and now?

[Arbërori]

My grandmother looked a bit like Claudia when she was younger! Stunning woman!

[Peyrol]

My grandmother looked a bit like Claudia when she was younger! Stunning woman!


I liked a lot Claudia Cardinale in this movie


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s0-wbXC3pQ

[Sikeliot]

On all of the Italian-language sites I've seen talk about her, they all refer to her as "looking like Shakira".

She looks like a combination of her and Myriam Fares, a Lebanese singer.

And yes, Claudia Cardinale is very beautiful.

[Peyrol]

She looks like a combination of her and Myriam Fares, a Lebanese singer.

And yes, Claudia Cardinale is very beautiful.

The same Shakira has lebanese and sicilian grandparents, btw.

[alfieb]

Yes, I heard her grandmother was Pisciotta. Very Western Sicilian surname.

[Harkonnen]

Excellent job alfieb

[Sikeliot]

The same Shakira has lebanese and sicilian grandparents, btw.

I suspect Shakira's mother has some Amerindian ancestry. She's a mixture of many things.
Shakira herself looks fairly Lebanese in my opinion.

[alfieb]

http://www.licatanotizie.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/rosaria-russo-posa.jpg
http://static.blogo.it/cineblog/3-film-in-arrivo-per-rosaria-russo-intervista-con-cineblog/0rosaria_russo_7257_1024.jpg
http://pad.mymovies.it/cinemanews/2011/63085/01.jpg

Rosaria Russo, actress, age 31, from Agrigento

[Sikeliot]

http://www.licatanotizie.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/rosaria-russo-posa.jpg


Wow she is pretty especially this picture. Very Greek face too.

[alfieb]

http://www.iicbelgrado.esteri.it/IIC_LosAngeles/webform/..%5C..%5CIICManager%5CUpload%5CIMG%5C%5CLosAngele s%5CCarmen_Consoli2.jpg
http://ilarge.listal.com/image/998316/936full-carmen-consoli.jpg
http://static.fanpage.it/musicfanpage/wp-content/uploads/gallery/carmen-consoli/444.jpg

Carmen Consoli, musician, age 38, from Catania

[Peyrol]

I'm surprising nobody posted Anna Vale yet


http://www.blogsicilia.eu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Anna-Valle_shadowbox.jpg

http://static.fanpage.it.s3.amazonaws.com/tvfanpage/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/anna_valle-1024x680.jpg

http://static.fanpage.it/gossipfanpage/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Anna-Valle-incinta-e-infelice-Non-ho-listinto-materno-638x425.jpg

[alfieb]

I had thought Sikeliot would, as he was just talking about her the other day. :shrug:


http://mag.sky.it/static/contentimages/original/sezioni/mag/musica/2011/04/08/patrizia_laquidara_luigi_de_frenza1.jpg
http://pics.wikifeet.com/Patrizia-Laquidara-Feet-845229.jpg
http://www.girasicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/patrizia-laquidara-foto-1.jpg

Patrizia Laquidara, musician, age 40, from Catania

[Prince Carlo]

Anna Valle is half Roman. Her surname is typical of Lazio.

[Sikeliot]

Anna Valle is half Roman. Her surname is typical of Lazio.

That wouldn't surprise me, I think she looks more central Italian.

[Prince Carlo]

Rome is a complete meltin pot. Probably she has North Italian and even Balkan ancestry. Rome and most of Lazio was heavily settled by North Italians, including refugees from Ex-Yugo.

[alfieb]

http://www.benedusi.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/111E7132.jpg
http://www.investireoggi.it/forum/attachments/life-good-cafe/116440d1306966379-una-modella-o-attrice-al-giorno-un-omaggio-alla-bellezza-femminile-eva-riccobono_-diva-e-donna_n_09-2008_12.jpg
http://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/model/000000094420-eva_riccobono-fullsize.jpg

Eva Riccobono, model, age 30, from Palermo [but her mother is from Germany]

[Arbërori]

Gotta love this Roman beauty! :P

[alfieb]

http://images.gazzetta.it/altre-passioni/audiovideo/Max_Extra/2012/10_Ottobre/09/Thony/Thony--630x365.jpg
http://www.radio-off.it/joomla/images/stories/Thony-Alessandro-Cantarini01_1125.jpg
http://lapellicolabruciata.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/tutti-i-santi-giorni.jpg

Federica "Thony" Caiozzo, musician, age 30, from Palermo [but her mother was an immigrant from Poland]

[Sikeliot]

^^ The proportions of her face are very distinctive. I am not sure if I'd say she looks Sicilian, but she doesn't really look Polish.

[alfieb]

http://www.italiainmusica.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/copertina_brigida3.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/248520_125429154205390_1930040_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/261562_130462157035423_1307962_n.jpg

Brigida Cacciatore, musician, age 29, from Palermo

[alfieb]

http://gallery.giovani.it/img/mms/foto/2010/03/13/img_4b9c15fae74e4.jpg
http://images02.olx.it/ui/8/23/35/1281034255_77241835_2-BanconistaHostess-Camerieraaiuto-cuoco-Animatrice-Baby-sitter-aspirante-modella-Hostess-Promoter-Ragazza-immagi-Siracusa-1281034255.jpg
http://images04.olx.it/ui/8/23/35/1281034255_77241835_3-BanconistaHostess-Camerieraaiuto-cuoco-Animatrice-Baby-sitter-aspirante-modella-Hostess-Promoter-Ragazza-immagi-Altri-lavori-1281034255.jpg

Concetta Giummo, model, age 20, from Syracuse

[alfieb]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1292193.1363700983!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_635/loredana-jolie-ferriolo.jpg
http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/spl155109_010.jpg
http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/img_2164.jpg

Loredana Ferriolo, model, age 29, from Palermo [Born in New York City, but raised in Palermo]

Most famous for being Tiger Woods' ex-girlfriend, and doing Playboy, but before that she competed for Sicily in "Miss Hawaiian Tropic" and other pageants (http://www.pageant.com/hawaiiantropic2002/).

[alfieb]

http://curiosando708090.altervista.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/katiuscia46.jpg
http://www.fotoromanzi-topilio.it/IMMAGINI/IMMAGINI%20K/katiuscia32.jpg
http://www.fotoromanzi-topilio.it/IMMAGINI/IMMAGINI%20K/katiuscia19.jpg


Caterina "Katiuscia" Peretti, actress, age 57, from Trapani

[alfieb]

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/25/85865ac53e654a38ababf336d0e3c045/l.jpg
http://www.danimantisfoto.com/wp-content/gallery/sesiones-ivana-la-piana-pinup-style/dan9246.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nvETIBPySMI/TpCuArOe-AI/AAAAAAAAAFU/aSAgI2W5nL0/w768-h765/IvanaLaPiana+%252856%2529.jpg

Ivana La Piana, model, age 31, from Palermo [but is famous in Spain]

[alfieb]

http://www.internetcelebrity.org/albums/wpw-20060514/Roberta_Giarrusso_@Natural_Style_Aprile-2006_01.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/kdjyvm6sr/Roberta_GIarrusso_Top41_2011.jpg
http://www.vip.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/roberta-giarrusso-15.jpg
Roberta Giarrusso, actress, age 31, from Palermo

[Peyrol]

Finally a thread with real sicilian women and not some unknow pictures taken from Brazil, Levant and Argentina and passed as ''sicilian women'' :laugh:

Good job Alf.

[alfieb]

http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles18/2508589/projects/8157609/a5204bf7f1d33a5a4d4568e78934534a.jpg
http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles18/2508589/projects/8157127/497d1aa72cd261104529af6af76ad271.jpg
http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles18/2508589/projects/8384621/ef0a82e20d462ed6b10abaeb40019172.jpg
Giulia Diandra, model, from Syracuse

[I actually know her but I don't remember her age. A gentleman never asks. :lol:]


http://download.kataweb.it/mediaweb/image/brand_gazzettadimantova/2008/07/10/1215692296895_calendario-06.jpg
http://www.modellenews.com/wp-content/uploads/ZAIRA-2.jpg
http://img.fotocommunity.com/images/Persone/Ritratto/Zaira-Barbagallo-a29382550.jpg
Zaira Barbagallo, model, age 28, from Syracuse

[alfieb]

http://www.bigshot360.com//images/photos/761/877/05c3c62f16696d710f9d6541.jpg
http://www.freetimemagazine.it/2013/febbraiomarzo/extrafoto/gallery/699/9.jpg
http://www.bigshot360.com//images/photos/761/877/c3755ca5bd66fa8eb62977c6.jpg
Floriana Blanco, model, age 29, from Ragusa

[alfieb]

http://www.studioemme.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/I4G4502.jpg
http://www.sciclinews.com/immagini_articoli/1363130673_revolver_barbara_giummarra.jpg
http://www.areaticino.com/calendari/ByNight_2009_012x.jpg

Barbara Giummarra, actress, age 30, from Ragusa

[alfieb]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/8216_1202433230984_4656897_n.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/5320_1190443971260_6979481_n.jpg
http://www.comune.alassio.sv.it/turistico/ita/alassio_miss_muretto/2006/MissMuretto2006/foto/bikini/genovese.jpg
Simona Genovese, model, age 22, from Messina

[Sikeliot]

The last two have the typical large expressive eyes I notice in a lot of Sicilians.

[Peyrol]

''Genovese'' like the boss of Staten Island...:lol:

[alfieb]

''Genovese'' like the boss of Staten Island...:lol:
That's unfair stereotyping of Sicilians as criminals. :rolleyes:

They are named after the Neapolitan immigrant Vito Genovese. :lol:

[Kastrioti1443]

Albanians have taken control now in New York however.

[alfieb]

Albanians have taken control now in New York however.
The Albanians were pretty powerful a decade or so ago, but the government cracked down on the Albanian mafia in NYC, and most of their leaders are in jail.

[Kastrioti1443]

The Albanians were pretty powerful a decade or so ago, but the government cracked down on the Albanian mafia in NYC, and most of their leaders are in jail.

New catholic clanes have gone there.

Pretty much the real mafias in america are russians, albanians, and ndrangheta.

[alfieb]

Well, where I live it's still the Italians, but in most of Brooklyn the Russian mob are more powerful. I don't know much about the Albanian mobsters around here. :shrug:

[Sunphq]

Chiara Salvo, Messina.

http://i48.tinypic.com/a30b35.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/i2iukm.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/o6fm95.jpg

[SkyBurn]

I know where I'm booking my next holiday for :D

[Peyrol]

I know where I'm booking my next holiday for :D

Just go to Melbourne, Brisbane and Sydney and you will see a lot of sicilians.

[SkyBurn]

Just go to Melbourne, Brisbane and Sydney and you will see a lot of sicilians.

True, but then I'd have to stray to some of the more dangerous suburbs...

(just kidding)

[Peyrol]

A sicilian teen from Catania


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AcC9Ngnzvaw

[alfieb]

Prediciottesimo? This thread is about donne, not ragazze! :lol:

http://www.liberaeva.com/1modelle/9/katecanaveral/katia_0082_filtered.jpg
http://www.liberaeva.com/1modelle/9/katecanaveral/katia_0358_filtered.jpg
http://www.liberaeva.com/1modelle/9/katecanaveral/katia&anais_0226_1.jpg

Katia Mazzucco, model, age 26, from Palermo

A woman who looks like a teenage girl. :naughty:

[ariel]

Thanks for sharing bro

[Prince Carlo]

O cazzo il prediciottesimo!!!! Il non plus ultra del truzzismo.

[Peyrol]

O cazzo il prediciottesimo!!!! Il non plus ultra del truzzismo.

Aahaha infatti l'ho trovata tramite una pagina di FB...mai sentito di un'usanza del genere prima di oggi...

[gregorius]

Most of dem hev goet boebz

[Virtuous]

Dieses ist das wog paradise.

[Sunphq]

I shouldn't really post her, I wouldn't want anyone thinking I'm trying to make Sicily out to be Norway 2.0. Heaven forbid!

Tea Falco

http://www.play4movie.com/file_hot/153/gallery/BG_Falco_Tea_9.jpg
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2012-05-23-girlfour.JPG

Oh god....:(

http://diversamenteaff-abile.gazzetta.it/files/2012/12/Tea-falco-ph-giovanni-gastel-500x666.png

[Sikeliot]

She doesn't look Scandinavian to me honestly. But she's certainly not attractive.. I think she looks like the American singer Pink.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120821013406-entpink-singer-story-top.jpg

[alfieb]

But... she's from Catania! She can't be Norwegian. She must be a depigmented Greek Cretian or something! :rolleyes:

I think she looks like what's her name from Twilight.

[Sunphq]

She doesn't look Scandinavian to me honestly. But she's certainly not attractive.. I think she looks like the American singer Pink.

Yeah I'm taking the piss. But that wasn't the tune you were playing on her classification thread when you started freaking out and hyperventilating. "Trying to make Sicily out to be Norway". :puppy_dp:

It's interesting your reactions are never the same for light Iberians.

[Sikeliot]

It's interesting your reactions are never the same for light Iberians.

Because Iberians are much more genetically similar to Northern Europeans as a whole than Sicilians are, and thus it's less shocking to see a genuinely "Northern European" looking Iberian.

In terms of raw averages, according to most of the DNA calculators, Sicilians average 12% Northern European, one of the lowest scores in all of Europe. Iberians get like 35%. And my family is from the east, where there is probably even less Northern European than that average, and so I have even less reason to feel a connection to it.

[alfieb]

Tell that to poor Eva Riccobono. She's harassed by people on Twitter who call her a Siculo-norman and even people the media doing the same. Her native Sicilian grandfather was said to be nicknamed "u tidiscu", meaning the German. It's no wonder her dad married a German woman.

There appears to be some kind of prejudice that exists against Northern European-looking people. :shrug:

[Sikeliot]

Tell that to poor Eva Riccobono. She's harassed by people on Twitter who call her a Siculo-norman and even people the media doing the same. Her native Sicilian grandfather was said to be nicknamed "u tidiscu", meaning the German. It's no wonder her dad married a German woman.

There appears to be some kind of prejudice that exists against Northern European-looking people. :shrug:

I've always been hesitant to allow myself to in any way ascribe to Nordic envy or the idea that we should praise people with Nordic looks.

I mean, we're Southern Europeans, let's be proud of that. We created European culture while Scandinavians and Germans lived in caves.

[alfieb]

I've always been hesitant to allow myself to in any way ascribe to Nordic envy or the idea that we should praise people with Nordic looks.

I mean, we're Southern Europeans, let's be proud of that. We created European culture while Scandinavians and Germans lived in caves.

But without the Normans, we'd be speaking Arabic right now.

Well, you would. I wouldn't be alive, as they were among my ancestors.

[Sikeliot]

But without the Normans, we'd be speaking Arabic right now.

Well, you would. I wouldn't be alive, as they were among my ancestors.

I have a test in my Arabic class tomorrow.. if I was speaking Arabic, I'd surely get an A on the test :D ;)

I value Norman contribution to Sicily but I think we must keep in context that, by and large, the genetic input is small in much of the island to the extent where, for someone from Messina, Enna, Catania, etc. a Norman looking individual is an outlier.

If I was Palermitan I may very well feel differently, though.

[Sunphq]

Because Iberians are much more genetically similar to Northern Europeans as a whole than Sicilians are, and thus it's less shocking to see a genuinely "Northern European" looking Iberian.

Again with the Northern European ancestry, you know why that is irrelevant.

We're darker than Iberians, but maybe a tiny bit more light-eyed. So calm down. http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/gwas-study-of-pigmentation-in-four.html


I mean, we're Southern Europeans, let's be proud of that. We created European culture while Scandinavians and Germans lived in caves.

Also, you don't have to feign an anti-Northern European attitude. This is no animosity at all. So why pretend there is?

--off-topic

Here are my faves from Miss Sicilia:

http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4147.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4149.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4152.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4154.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4162.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4164.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4171.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4176.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4183.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4185.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4199.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4206.jpg
http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4268.jpg

[Sikeliot]

I only feign an anti-Northern European attitude because I am sick of people in general thinking blonde, blue eyed is so beautiful and aspiring to be lighter. I am proud of being dark.

[alfieb]

http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/07/00_missitalia/finaliste/elenco/IMG_4147.jpg
Best looking of that bunch, but she's from Switzerland. I dunno if she's mixed or not.

[Sikeliot]

Thread split.

Anyway, let's post more pictures of beautiful women :)

[alfieb]

http://www.ivid.it/fotogallery/imagesearch/images/sperlinga_federica_miss_moda_2009_001_jpg_cnzq.jpg
http://www.canicattiweb.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/12600_NpAdvSinglePhoto.jpg
http://shareyourwallpapers.com/upload/wallpaper/people/miss-italy-official-2009/miss-italy-official-2009_4f5655a2.jpg

Federica Sperlinga, model, age 22, from Agrigento

[Arbërori]

Time to realbanize them. :coffee:

[Peyrol]

Loredana Cannata (from Ragusa)

http://www.tnasnc.it/imageserver/lightbox/files/immagini/attrici/cannata%20loredana/cannata%20loredana%201.jpg

http://files.gossip.it/mondanita/luisa_corna_alla_sfilata_di_grimaldi_e_giardina/images/loredana_cannata_8f18.jpg

http://www.sciclinews.com/immagini_articoli/1262544199_lc08.jpg

[Sikeliot]

http://www.ivid.it/fotogallery/imagesearch/images/sperlinga_federica_miss_moda_2009_001_jpg_cnzq.jpg

She and Miriam Leone look similar.

Anyway, I'll post something a bit different.. an older Sicilian woman. I'm sure we all have a grandmother, a great aunt, or some other female relative similar to her, who can cook as well!

http://www.baroquesicily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/untitled-82.jpg

[alfieb]

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2964942598/9d6be25e7a7ef208649b60fb0a6cec69.jpeg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pGHuKnps7f4/T0kSdpf70cI/AAAAAAAAAis/dLUNbaFGtRQ/s1600/Rosaria+Cannavo1.jpg

http://www.lanacion.cl/noticias/site/artic/20120918/imag/foto_0000001620120918120950.jpg

Rosaria Cannavò, model, age 29, from Catania

[alfieb]

http://images.corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriereobjects.it/campania/fotogallery/sicilia/2012/11/giunta_crocetta/img_giunta_crocetta/DSC_9386_672-458_resize.jpg

http://livesicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/scialabra.jpg

http://www.ragusatg.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/424798_10200122951417392_1229154423_n.jpg

Nelli Scilabra, politician, age 29, from Agrigento

[Prince Carlo]

You have posted the sardinian Giorgia Palmas.

[alfieb]

Tròia buttana. I did. I will replace that photo.

To be fair to myself, the photo in question was named: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xwscDQ6rgbY/T0kSZzVaIsI/AAAAAAAAAik/euygPZWUgG0/s1600/Rosaria+Cannavo.jpg and was in a Cannavò gallery.

[alfieb]

http://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3359543690/1efaaa5088519290fa7414cd80af13b5.jpeg
http://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/163540_562703663751928_1910028271_n.jpg
http://www.canicattiweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/foto-sottoscrizione-esposto.jpg

Lidia Mirabile, politician, age 31, from Agrigento

[alfieb]

http://livesicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/miss.jpg
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/522364_297181607023024_1042195933_n.jpg
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/21326_384411828300001_994096574_n.jpg

Vanessa Iervolino, Miss Mediterranean 2012, age 17, from Palermo

[Sikeliot]

^^ A bit different from the other Palermitan women you've posted. That last one looks Semitic.

[alfieb]

She's got a different look to her, that's for sure.

Her pageant runner-up (shown above):

http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/282388_376323842449099_1531148172_n.jpg
http://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378978_376531835761633_783651549_n.jpg
http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/63092_376744652407018_315966143_n.jpg

Denise Sardisco, model, age 19, from Palermo

[Sikeliot]

That one looks like she could be some mixture of Iberian and Berber.

What do you think?

[alfieb]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/69114_376332252448258_1380256244_n.jpg
http://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/384827_376533182428165_1664478163_n.jpg

Berber, no. I think she's just highly Alpinized.

[Sikeliot]

She is a mixture of South and Gracile Med.

[alfieb]

http://ditutto.650mb.com/public//AdelePerna_Max_Salvaggio_R_0055-20x30.jpg
http://www.alexcarrera.com/files/immagini/1208976979-IMG_8657.jpg
http://www.sbngs.it/upload/contrib/b4bfe84a18f4b248c5d8f1f0ef7a9957/20090313165349L.jpg

Adele Perna, actress, age 34, from Enna

[Sikeliot]

I found a website "Sicilian models" and it has a lot of models, most of whom Palermitan. Here are some of the women.

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/204/01/196578_1318049967385_1714851214_588309_7288698_n.j pg

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/83/01/IMG_4571.jpg

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/108/01/IMG_3424.jpg

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/191/01/mark12.JPG

[Sikeliot]

Others, also Palermitan

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/132/01/0tnIMG_4367.jpg

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/82/01/00.anca%20(3).jpg

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/389/01/309613_2266380152228_1630272885_2306669_722652036_ n[1].jpg

[alfieb]

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/82/01/00.anca%20(3).jpg

Crazy, eh? I'd never guess her for a native of Trinacria.

[Sikeliot]

She looks Russian to me. But there's a little bit of a Mila Kunis quality to her, and Kunis is Jewish.. so maybe the girl above is a mixture of Norman and Semitic in her look?

The first two women I posted are both typical Palermitan women but in completely opposite parts of the spectrum.

[alfieb]

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/piccolidanzatori/IMG_5964.JPG
http://www.youtuberstheseries.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Youtuber_4.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/188721_1011106800532_5394_n.jpg
Silvia Alù, actress, age 25, from Palermo

[Sikeliot]

A few more from the model site

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/417/01/00.jpg

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/332/01/380518_164646660302498_163091090458055_197075_5210 32483_n[1].jpg

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/187/01/ale7.jpg

[Sikeliot]

All three were from Palermo btw.

It's weird seeing Palermitans since almost none of them look Greek, there are many more light pigmented people, and the exotic ones are more exotic than people in Messina and Catania.

[alfieb]

I agree. You never know what to expect when you hear someone is from Palermo, whereas you can kind-of presuppose something with the other provinces.

[Sikeliot]

The interesting thing with Palermo is blue eyed blonde people with Semitic features, and darker pigmented people who look Northern European.

An example of each that we posted. This woman has the pigmentation of a Norman and the features of a Levantine:

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/332/01/380518_164646660302498_163091090458055_197075_5210 32483_n[1].jpg


while this woman has brown hair and eyes but would fit just fine in Norway otherwise and maybe even still:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/188721_1011106800532_5394_n.jpg

[alfieb]

I agree. That's the pseudo-Ashkenazi vibe that many Palermitans give off. Northern features and Southern complexion, or Southern features with a Northern complexion.

[Atlantic Islander]

They really are stunningly beautiful. :)

[Sikeliot]

Western Sicilians are probably the closest looking people to Ashkenazis and it makes sense given that both are naturally occurring groups that developed parallel to one another with similar inputs.

Israelite and Phoenician are both Canaanite.
Minor Greco-Roman input in both.
Normans in Sicily were not that dissimilar from people living near the Rhine, where Ashkenazis formed as an ethnicity and picked up their Northern European affinities.

[alfieb]

Which, of course, explains why they overlap in terms of genetics and phenotype with Sicilians without much shared ancestry.

[Sikeliot]

Yes. It's pretty much coincidence that they developed along similar lines.

[alfieb]

But a convenient one, as well, as in the diaspora AJ's and Sicilians tend to get along very well due to shared Mediterranean heritage, a history of persecution, poverty and forced tribalism. Then, when they mix, you often can't even tell. You get girls like Leah Remini, who could be seen as a full-blooded Jewess or a full-blooded Sicilian with ease.

[alfieb]

http://www.gds.it/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/SPETTACOLI/130699_album/Oriana%20Pisciotto%203.jpg
http://www.laltraagrigento.it/ARCHIVIO1/pisciotto1.JPG
http://www.gds.it/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/SPETTACOLI/130699_album/Oriana%20Pisciotto%201.jpg

Oriana Pisciotto, model, age 20, from Agrigento

[Sikeliot]

But a convenient one, as well, as in the diaspora AJ's and Sicilians tend to get along very well due to shared Mediterranean heritage, a history of persecution, poverty and forced tribalism. Then, when they mix, you often can't even tell. You get girls like Leah Remini, who could be seen as a full-blooded Jewess or a full-blooded Sicilian with ease.

I think Remini looks mixed race and frankly neither Jewish nor Sicilian. Her sister, on the other hand, looks very Sicilian or Jewish and looks like their parents.

I would have used Lea Michele as an example. I could believe her as either 100% Sicilian or 100% Jewish.

I know a lot of Jewish people at school who look like they could easily be Sicilian.. some of them surprisingly so.

[alfieb]

I agree on Lea's pheno, but I don't know where in Italy her family is from.

[Sikeliot]

She's from New York I believe, so it'd probably be Sicilian or Calabrese.

[alfieb]

You'd be surprised. We have plenty of Neapolitans and Barese as well.

[Sikeliot]

I'd be interested to know where.

I just know she looks more Sicilian to me than Leah Remini does.

http://www.makeup.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/lea-michele-peoples-choice-504.jpg

http://hairstyles.thehairstyler.com/hairstyle_views/front_view_images/849/original/5895_Leah-Remini-d_copy_2.jpg

[alfieb]

http://www.oltremusica.it/joomla/images/stories/carmen-villalba.jpg
http://www.carmenvillalba.it/1/images/900900_0_3093674_2680.jpg
http://www.carmenvillalba.it/1/images/900900_0_3093655_2680.jpg

Carmen Villalba, singer, age 36, from Messina [but she says has some Spanish ancestry on her dad's side]

[Sikeliot]

You'd never know she was part Spanish going by her look. Her eyes are not very Iberian.

[alfieb]

http://archivio.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/calascibetta.jpg
http://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/316659_202936616432807_671624_n.jpg
http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/11772_10200594334014903_1427281315_n.jpg

Antonella Calascibetta, Miss Sciacca 2009, from Agrigento

[alfieb]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/374531_4512980635271_512059325_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564931_3503283833482_60681736_n.jpg
http://www.gds.it/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/MODA/208392_album/4taormina.jpg

Manuela Taormina, plus-size model, Miss Curvy Sicily 2012, age 24, from Palermo

[alfieb]

http://www.noidonne.org/files/articoli_rete/g/02899.jpg
http://www.itineralia.com/public/fotoracconti/DSCN0053.JPG
http://www.laltracefalu.it/files/10.05.18CF36.JPG

Paola Castiglia, journalist, age 36, from Palermo

While she's surely not breathtaking, she has a different look, which is why I'm posting her.

[alfieb]

http://www.gds.it/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/SPETTACOLI/122831_album/DB_immagini_02.jpg
http://tucisei.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/federicaminia1.jpg
http://www.gds.it/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/SPETTACOLI/122831_album/DB_immagini_01.jpg

Federica Minia, TV personality, age 24, from Palermo

[Sikeliot]

A couple others from Palermo from the model site. I can't even begin to classify some of them and they all look different.

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/251/01/003.jpg
http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/283/01/376528_2714111054349_1304115046_3024989_63740821_n[1].jpg
http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/216/01/simonac[1].jpg
http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/11/01/anna1.jpg

[alfieb]

Very diverse.


She looks Russian to me. But there's a little bit of a Mila Kunis quality to her, and Kunis is Jewish.. so maybe the girl above is a mixture of Norman and Semitic in her look?

Turns out this girl is either an immigrant or half-native. Her name is Anca Petrov. She is a model and photographer.

[Sikeliot]

The others on there are probably native though. At least they look it. She is the only one who caught me off guard.

[alfieb]

http://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/martina-lombardo.jpg
http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/r90/69292_10200669352324517_2002802809_n.jpg
http://www.sdamy.com/images/miss-italia-2010/17_MF_550.JPG

Martina Lombardo, model, age 22, from Palermo

[alfieb]

http://www.cefalusport.it/Volley08x09/Kefa_U14/Fabiola.jpg
http://www.cefalusport.it/Volley08x09/12Priolo/12K_Priolo-051.png
http://www.cefalusport.it/Archivio07x08/Anno%202007x08/KefaVolley%202007x08/FotoKefa07x08/Giocatrici/Battaglia/Battaglia159q.jpg

Fabiola Battaglia, volleyball player, age 29, from Palermo

[Sikeliot]

Some very Germanic phenotypes they have ^^

[alfieb]

The volleyball player looks rather German to me, although the nose makes her look somewhat Ashkenazi.

[Arbërori]

She could pass as Slovenian. Beautiful.

[alfieb]

http://www.laltracefalu.it/files/2011/08/11_08_19ie09.jpg
http://www.laltracefalu.it/files/2011/08/11_08_19ie15.jpg
http://download.kataweb.it/mediaweb/image/brand_espressonline/2011/01/14/1295028067204_maniscalco.jpg

Annalisa Maniscalco, journalist, age 24, from Palermo

[Lemon Kush]

Damn Med women age like shit.

[Arbërori]

Damn Med women age like shit.

I'd disagree, have you seen Miss Belluci? The left one is over 40 btw:

http://i.imgur.com/ZCGESRC.jpg

[Mordid]

Sicilians are Maltanski in denial.

[alfieb]

Sicilians are Maltanski in denial.
There is no denial. Maltese and Sicilians are the same people.


Damn Med women age like shit.

Meds age fine. The problem is mixed phenos like you often find in Palermo. I think East Sicilians are, in general, better looking.

[Sikeliot]

The women all along the eastern coast, and in Enna and Caltanissetta, tend to be the most beautiful.

People from Agrigento often have unharmonious features of different types (Armenoid, Berid, etc.) and Palermitans sometimes get the odd googly-eyed look that you see in some Ashkenazis (the Mark Zuckerberg, Barbra Streisand look) due to the Levantine and Norman mixture.. although those who look purely Norman or purely Levantine can be beautiful.

[Sunphq]

^^^Off-topic

http://www.fbfoto.it/eventi/10/00_missitalia/prefinaliste/FBI_8073.jpg
http://www.sdamy.com/images/miss-italia-2010/08_MF_550.JPG

Nicoletta Taormina

[alfieb]

Despite the name, no, she's not Sikeliot's cousin. She's Catanese.

[slayer]

wow what a gorgeous women!
someone look like ordinary southern european girls (mediterranean) from greece/spain/portugal and someone look even northern european (nordic from uk, netherland, germany) probably because of the norman domination.
congratulations!

[Terror Terror]

wow what a gorgeous women!
someone look like ordinary southern european girls (mediterranean) from greece/spain/portugal and someone look even northern european (nordic from uk, netherland, germany) probably because of the norman domination.
congratulations!
The Spaniards and the Portuguese are not meds! Most of them like 80% are atlantids of pure Celtic blood, with some being north atlantids and some downright nordics!! Most of them are even lighter than the French so you are talking out of your ass!!

[Sunphq]

......

[Terror Terror]

Beautiful balkanoid looking girls. Congratulations!

[Celt_Pride]

Look normal italians imo

[alfieb]

Well, that's a lot of ignorance for one day.

1. Spanish and Portuguese people are not 80% Celtic
2. Many Sicilians can fit in the Balkans (Greece and/or Albania, mostly), but others cannot
3. Many Sicilians could not pass in mainland Italy as anything but Sicilian due to our significant Middle Eastern ancestry that is not found among Italians.

[Sikeliot]

Well, that's a lot of ignorance for one day.

1. Spanish and Portuguese people are not 80% Celtic
2. Many Sicilians can fit in the Balkans (Greece and/or Albania, mostly), but others cannot
3. Many Sicilians could not pass in mainland Italy as anything but Sicilian due to our significant Middle Eastern ancestry that is not found among Italians.

Iberians are a mixture of Atlantic and Mediterranean type of genetics, thus kind of "Celto-Mediterranean" if you will. As for the other points I agree.

[alfieb]

Iberians are a mixture of Atlantic and Mediterranean type of genetics, thus kind of "Celto-Mediterranean" if you will. As for the other points I agree.

And that "Mediterranean" component is often more Berid rather than Gracile Mediterranid.

I would say that the predominant phenotype in Iberia is Atlanto-Med, but that is of course a subject for another thread in a different forum.

[Sikeliot]

I think there are more Atlantids than Gracile Meds in Iberia.

[alfieb]

I agree. Especially Portugal and Northwestern Spain. That is the "Celtic" legacy of Iberia, but hardly 80% or anywhere near that.

[Newsboy]

I agree. Especially Portugal and Northwestern Spain. That is the "Celtic" legacy of Iberia, but hardly 80% or anywhere near that.

Alfieb, I agree with you. Some people on here like to exaggerate the Celticity of Spanish and Portuguese people. It is true that many Spanish and Portuguese (especially Portuguese and Northwest Spanish) have Celtic heritage/culture, but it's surely nowhere near 80% of the population. You're probably right about Spanish and Portuguese being mostly Atlanto-Med. From what I've seen, it looks like it.

You are also right about many Sicilians being able to fit in the Balkans while many cannot. Based on my personal experience, some look very Balkanian while others look completely opposite.

I wouldn't say you guys have more 'Middle Eastern' blood than other Italians. I think Calabrians and perhaps Lucanians would have more 'Middle Eastern' blood than Sicilians. Blondism rate in Calabria is much lower than NW Sicily (Norman influence). And plus, it I'm not mistaken the Middle Eastern blood among Sicilians and Southern Italians are mostly Levantine and some Anatolian, no Arabian whatsoever. While it's true that many Sicilians cannot fit in Continental Italy (excluding Calabria), some Northern Italians, even fully Northern can pass as Sicilian.

[Terror Terror]

Alfieb, I agree with you. Some people on here like to exaggerate the Celticity of Spanish and Portuguese people. While it's true that many Spanish and Portuguese (especially Portuguese and Northwest Spanish) have Celtic heritage/culture, it is definitely nothing near 80%. I think you're right about Spanish and Portuguese being mostly Atlanto-Med. From what I've seen, it seems like it.
Atlanto-Med is as celtic a phenotype as Brunn is. Iberians are Celtic brothers and sisters to us blond Germanic peoples and Iberia has nothing to share with Southern Europe and Southern France France. Those are wog lands.

[alfieb]

Atlanto-Med is as celtic a phenotype as Brunn is. Iberians are Celtic brothers and sisters to us blond Germanic peoples and Iberia has nothing to share with Southern Europe and Southern France France. Those are wog lands.

Nonsense. Paleoatlantid is Celtic. AM is not.



I wouldn't say you guys have more 'Middle Eastern' blood than other Italians. I think Calabrians and perhaps Lucanians would have more 'Middle Eastern' blood than Sicilians. Blondism rate in Calabria is much lower than NW Sicily (Norman influence). And plus, it I'm not mistaken the Middle Eastern blood among Sicilians and Southern Italians are mostly Levantine and some Anatolian, no Arabian whatsoever. While it's true that many Sicilians cannot fit in Continental Italy (excluding Calabria), some Northern Italians, even fully Northern can pass as Sicilian.

I don't see a correlation between Middle Eastern blood and dark eyes/hair. Calabrese people (other than the Arbereshe) are more or less biologically the same as ancient Greeks, before the arrival of Slavic and Turkic barbarians. You'll find more Berids, Arabids, and South Meds in Sicily than in Calabria or Lucania.

[La Misse]

PS: Albanians don't look like greeks.
I'm Albanian living in greece and we don't look alike.

[Newsboy]

Nonsense. Paleoatlantid is Celtic. AM is not.



I don't see a correlation between Middle Eastern blood and dark eyes/hair. Calabrese people (other than the Arbereshe) are more or less biologically the same as ancient Greeks, before the arrival of Slavic and Turkic barbarians. You'll find more Berids, Arabids, and South Meds in Sicily than in Calabria or Lucania.

Thanks for informing me :) But I think Arabids are pretty rare in Sicily. Berids and South Meds would be more common. Sicilians may have the most MENA blood in Italy, but I think Maltese have even more. I'm not sure though. Do you know much about Maltese people?

[Sikeliot]

Calabrese people are basically identical to the ancient Greeks and on 23andme they score less "Middle Eastern" than Sicilians on average.

[Newsboy]

Calabrese people are basically identical to the ancient Greeks and on 23andme they score less "Middle Eastern" than Sicilians on average.

Sikeliot, Sicilians may be the most Middle Eastern influenced people in Italy but overall, they are distinguishable from most Middle Easterners. The Middle East is between Europe and Indian Subcontinent, so it's going to be very diverse.

[Sikeliot]

Sikeliot, Sicilians may be the most Middle Eastern influenced people in Italy but overall, they are distinguishable from most Middle Easterners. The Middle East is between Europe and Indian Subcontinent, so it's going to be very diverse.

Of course they are distinguishable. No European will actually cluster in the Middle East, or at least has not yet. But there is a difference genetically between some Sicilians and Calabrese. Calabria has been isolated for many thousands years.

[Newsboy]

Of course they are distinguishable. No European will actually cluster in the Middle East, or at least has not yet. But there is a difference genetically between some Sicilians and Calabrese. Calabria has been isolated for many thousands years.

Calabrians do have a distinctive look and are isolated since forever. However, nowadays mainland Greeks don't look much like them. And no, Greeks (from mainland Greece) don't cluster near Middle Easterners as some people on others forums think. Not even near Cypriots. Cypriots are culturally Greek, but genetically they are a bit far from Greeks of the mainland and even Ionian Islands.

[Sikeliot]

Calabrese people are almost homogenously dark, interestingly enough. But my great grandmother was from there and did have blue eyes.

[Terror Terror]

Calabrese people are almost homogenously dark, interestingly enough. But my great grandmother was from there and did have blue eyes.
It's probably because Calabria was once under European peoples like the Normans and the Spaniards.

[Newsboy]

Calabrese people are almost homogenously dark, interestingly enough. But my great grandmother was from there and did have blue eyes.

Always an exception to a rule. Individually you can find light-featured people in Calabria but as a group they are dark-featured (but not Arab or Persian).

[Sikeliot]

Always an exception to a rule. Individually you can find light-featured people in Calabria but as a group they are dark-featured (but not Arab or Persian).

Collectively I find Calabrese to look similar to Greek islanders, like Rhodians, Cretans etc.

[aimar]

Such pure medness :love::love::love:

http://www.funmaximum.com/movies/celeb-images/francesca-chillemi.jpg

http://www.sicilymodels.com/public/132/01/0tnIMG_4367.jpg

http://pad.mymovies.it/cinemanews/2011/63085/01.jpg

http://www.girasicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/patrizia-laquidara-foto-1.jpg

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nicole+Grimaudo+Lancia+Cafe+Hosts+Ciak+Party+TDH-34szrv7l.jpg

and my favourite

http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/282388_376323842449099_1531148172_n.jpg


All Italians are good looking on average, but Sicilians and Sardinians are something else.

[Cesare Augusto]

Posted her earlier as well. She was very deserving of Miss Italia. Ten years later and she is still flawless.

One could devote an entire thread just to photos of her. :lol:

She has the Trinacria tattooed on her wrist. :cool:

Are there any Italians who are not flawless? :wink

[alfieb]

Are there any Italians who are not flawless? :wink
Yes. Many.

I blame Germanic admixture. It's why Palermitans are probably the least-attractive Sicilians.

[Ulla]

Yes. Many.

I blame Germanic admixture. It's why Palermitans are probably the least-attractive Sicilians.

Basta Italia, Sicilia indipendenza? Really?

[Scandalf]

Having lived most of my life in North Italy and now living in Sicily, I have to say Sicilian women are indeed awesome.
Moving around in summertime and seeing all these girls with beautiful bodies AND attractive features is a blessing.

[alfieb]

Basta Italia, Sicilia indipendenza? Really?

I didn't make it, far too lazy for that. I just saw it and liked it. :bored:

But sure, I subscribe to the ethos of "we've had enough, now get out."

The last 150 years haven't exactly been glorious.


This is all off-topic, so, in respect to the first post from a year ago, hey, what do you know, the current Miss Italia is Sicilian too. The 10th Sicilian out of 68 total. Non è male!

[Scandalf]

I didn't make it, far too lazy for that. I just saw it and liked it. :bored:

But sure, I subscribe to the ethos of "we've had enough, now get out."

The last 150 years haven't exactly been glorious.


This is all off-topic, so, in respect to the first post from a year ago, hey, what do you know, the current Miss Italia is Sicilian too. The 10th Sicilian out of 68 total. Non è male!

Believe me, it would be crippled if it weren't for the rest of Italy sending tax money down here. The number of public employes is simply ridiculous. Sicily is finally trying to cut down public spending.

[Ulla]

I didn't make it, far too lazy for that. I just saw it and liked it. :bored:

But sure, I subscribe to the ethos of "we've had enough, now get out."

The last 150 years haven't exactly been glorious.

I like Sicily but everyone from north to south has to take their own responsibility. This could be the beginning of glory of Italy.

[alfieb]

Believe me, it would be crippled if it weren't for the rest of Italy sending tax money down here. The number of public employes is simply ridiculous. Sicily is finally trying to cut down public spending.
The public employee thing is an Italian problem. Even when I lived in Rome, they cautioned me not to send anything in the mail expecting it to be received overseas within a month or two. Why? Lazy government officials who can't be fired are everywhere.

The mafia is in Calabria, Campania and the rest of Italy now because the culture of corruption and ineptitude is an Italian phenomenon, not simply a Sicilian problem. Even the Albanian mafia is the same. They all see each-other as brethren.

The only savior for Italy is someone like Grillo, not the frocio in Palermo. But I don't desire for Italy to be saved, so whatever.

[Ulla]

But I don't desire for Italy to be saved, so whatever.

I understand the anger, and Sicily is definitely not the only one having problems, but this is meaningless.

Or do I have to make a list of the debts of the Region of Sicily and many Sicilian communes paid with the money of all the Italians?

[alfieb]

You see, my dear, in the late, fiery death of the Kingdom of Italy, they were terrified that Sicily would leave, with American support. So, in their final days, the Kingdom of Italy gave us autonomy and said that we didn't have to pay taxes anymore. Indeed, Sicily's autonomy is constitutionally protected and stronger than that of the other autonomous regions, which gained their status later under the Republic.

Ergo, yeah, we take their money. No, we don't give much in return. It's part of the whole "bribed us to stay in their country" thing.

[Scandalf]

You see, my dear, in the late, fiery death of the Kingdom of Italy, they were terrified that Sicily would leave, with American support. So, in their final days, the Kingdom of Italy gave us autonomy and said that we didn't have to pay taxes anymore. Indeed, Sicily's autonomy is constitutionally protected and stronger than that of the other autonomous regions, which gained their status later under the Republic.

Ergo, yeah, we take their money. No, we don't give much in return. It's part of the whole "bribed us to stay in their country" thing.

The Cassa del Mezzogiorno produced more harm than good to Sicily (and the South in general). I hope the new generations of Siciliani don't bow down to the evil that infects this island. I'm kinda optimistic: Sicilians (the young ones) do have a different mentality when compared to Calabresi.

[Ulla]

You see, my dear, in the late, fiery death of the Kingdom of Italy, they were terrified that Sicily would leave, with American support. So, in their final days, the Kingdom of Italy gave us autonomy and said that we didn't have to pay taxes anymore. Indeed, Sicily's autonomy is constitutionally protected and stronger than that of the other autonomous regions, which gained their status later under the Republic.

Ergo, yeah, we take their money. It's part of the whole "bribed us to stay in their country" thing.

This is not what I would call "assume its responsibilities".

However, the Italian party is over for everyone, not only for Sicily.

[alfieb]

Addiopizzo has me believing that you may be right about the youth in Sicily. However, voting patterns suggest that there's a long way to go.

[Scandalf]

Addiopizzo has me believing that you may be right about the youth in Sicily. However, voting patterns suggest that there's a long way to go.

Unfortunately old people and ignorant people keep selling their votes. My doctor asked me a Sunday morning if he could "count on me", that happened at 8:00 am. Useless to say that, not only I didn't vote for his group, I didn't vote for the opposition either. I voted 5 star just because they were new. My neighbour asked me to vote for an asshole as well, cause he promised a job for her son...

[Scandalf]

This is not what I would call "assume its responsibilities".

However, the Italian party is over for everyone, not only for Sicily.

Italian party? What's that supposed to be?

[Tacitus]

Italian party? What's that supposed to be?

Don't think she meant political party.

[Scandalf]

Don't think she meant political party.

Yeah, but I still don't get it.

[cally]

Beautiful wow! :)

[Tacitus]

Yeah, but I still don't get it.

Party as in the good times, all that tax money being dished around and spent without a care.

[Scandalf]

Party as in the good times, all that tax money being dished around and spent without a care.

That's for sure!

[Ctwentysevenj]

Lots of hotties.

[Salvatoree]

Sicilian womens and other wogs womens are the most beautiful on the earth

[Ctwentysevenj]

The public employee thing is an Italian problem. Even when I lived in Rome, they cautioned me not to send anything in the mail expecting it to be received overseas within a month or two. Why? Lazy government officials who can't be fired are everywhere.

The mafia is in Calabria, Campania and the rest of Italy now because the culture of corruption and ineptitude is an Italian phenomenon, not simply a Sicilian problem. Even the Albanian mafia is the same. They all see each-other as brethren.

The only savior for Italy is someone like Grillo, not the frocio in Palermo. But I don't desire for Italy to be saved, so whatever.

If Italy's corruption level was the same as Denmark's, the lowest corruption level in world rankings, would be a major blow to the Mafia, as the Mafia rely on paying public officials, it would make Italy greater economic power than what it is.

[Scandalf]

Sicilian womens and other wogs womens are the most beautiful on the earth

A Salvatoreee, stai calmo :)

[Salvatoree]

Vuoi forse dire che non è cosi ?:cool:

[Scandalf]

If Italy's corruption level was the same as Denmark's, the lowest corruption level in world rankings, would be a major blow to the Mafia, as the Mafia rely on paying public officials, it would make Italy greater economic power than what it is.

Problem is that public officials, politicians and police forces are often mafiosi.

[Scandalf]

Vuoi forse dire che non è cosi ?:cool:

Ti perdi qualcosa nella vita se ti fissi con ste idee...
Ci sono bellezze diverse. Ed è meglio provarle tutte a pari merito!

[Ulla]

Italian party? What's that supposed to be?

Il magna magna generale che ci ha portati a un debito pubblico mostruoso, a opere pubbliche mai realizzate o finite, a sprechi su sprechi... Ci siamo fatti male da soli, finché tutto sembrava una festa. Così lo capisci meglio? :)

[Salvatoree]

Si hai ragione ma quelle che mi piacciono di più sono proprio quel genere di donne,comunque :)

[Ctwentysevenj]

Problem is that public officials, politicians and police forces are often mafiosi.

If they rid of those bastards, Italy would be a greater economic power than it currently is. Despite it's problems, Italy has one of the most advance economies in the world, but it could be even greater. Just posted in the economic thread, that it is 50 years ago this year built and introduced the first PC, the Olivetti 101. Also the second biggest aeropace manufacture in the UK is Italian owned, Westland Agusta. I think if people started post positive things like the last 2 examples than negative things about Italy, well it be better.

[Scandalf]

If they rid of those bastards, Italy would be a greater economic power than it currently is. Despite it's problems, Italy has one of the most advance economies in the world, but it could be even greater. Just posted in the economic thread, that it is 50 years ago this year built and introduced the first PC, the Olivetti 101. Also the second biggest aeropace manufacture in the UK is Italian owned, Westland Agusta. I think if people started post positive things like the last 2 examples than negative things about Italy, well it be better.

Let's say that Italians have a problem with being honest. They have good ideas, they're not as lazy as some people might think, and many of them are good looking. But they are so fucking dishonest. You can't trust anyone, seriously! Plus, the Leading Class. My fucking God! The most arrogant, incompetent bastards that walk on Earth. And the Italians FORGIVE these fuckers!?!

[Salvatoree]

If italians get rid of those piece of shits italy would for sure be a better place everyone knows it but nobody do nothing

[Scandalf]

If italians get rid of those piece of shits italy would for sure be a better place everyone knows it but nobody do nothing

As I said: Italians forgive these fuckers. Just think about the Mose, not only a southern problem.

[alfieb]

Even Silvio Berlusconi is in bed with the mafia. The most powerful Italian since WWII. And from Milan, not Messina.

[Scandalf]

Even Silvio Berlusconi is in bed with the mafia. The most powerful Italian since WWII. And from Milan, not Messina.

Ironically Sicilians were the ones that voted him the most.

[Sikeliot]

Mafia isn't in eastern Sicily is it? I know it's on Calabria now :(

Alfieb I sent you a message btw .

[Salvatoree]

It always was in Calabria...

[Panormus]

Beatiful pictures :D

[alfieb]

Ironically Sicilians were the ones that voted him the most.

Most conservative region in Italy. Current president only elected because of a split on the right.


Mafia isn't in eastern Sicily is it? I know it's on Calabria now :(

Cosa nostra is in all of Sicily, just strongest in Palermo. In the South around Girgenti and Nissa, they also have Stidda.

[Salvatoree]

N'drangheta rules europe and world now

[Scandalf]

Mafia isn't in eastern Sicily is it? I know it's on Calabria now :(

Alfieb I sent you a message btw .

The 'ndrangheta was a hillbilly sort of mafia that became sophisticated. It is the heir to Cosa Nostra. Messina is already dominated by them.

[Salvatoree]

Yeah they become very powerful by years in years

[Scandalf]

Yeah they become very powerful by years in years

And yet no one ever mentions the Sacra Corona Unita. I think organized crime grows in power especially when jounalists seem to forget about it.

[Salvatoree]

They all are allies with Russians too and with Colombian and Mexicans or El Salvadorians cartels.

[alfieb]

And yet no one ever mentions the Sacra Corona Unita. I think organized crime grows in power especially when jounalists seem to forget about it.

Nuddu si preoccupa ri Pugghia.

[Scandalf]

Nuddu si preoccupa ri Pugghia.

E già, mbare!

[Volscian]

Io penso che il vero problema dell’Italia siano gli Italiani.
Noi Italiani abbiamo perso il senso civico di appartenenza allo Stato, semmai ce lo abbiamo avuto.
Non andate a votare anche se vi promettono di trovare un lavoro a vostro/a figlio/a.
Non andate a votare anche se vi promettono di asfaltare la stradina che porta al vostro pezzo di terreno.
Non andate a votare anche se vi promettono di farvi costruire una casa dove non è possibile farlo.

Non andate a votare!!
Non andate a votare!!
Non andate a votare!!

[alfieb]

Io penso che il vero problema dell’Italia siano gli Italiani.

Questo è assolutamente vero.

[Scandalf]

Io penso che il vero problema dell’Italia siano gli Italiani.
Noi Italiani abbiamo perso il senso civico di appartenenza allo Stato, semmai ce lo abbiamo avuto.
Non andate a votare anche se vi promettono di trovare un lavoro a vostro/a figlio/a.
Non andate a votare anche se vi promettono di asfaltare la stradina che porta al vostro pezzo di terreno.
Non andate a votare anche se vi promettono di farvi costruire una casa dove non è possibile farlo.

Non andate a votare!!
Non andate a votare!!
Non andate a votare!!

Purtroppo non risolverai nulla non votando. Secondo me, sarebbe meglio puntare sulla questione morale quando si va a votare (specialmente a livello locale!) e lasciar perdere il resto, dx sn...

[Volscian]

Paradossalmente gli amministratori locali sono quelli che hanno più potere perché bastano pochi voti per farsi eleggere, la vera corruzione parte dalla base. I politici fanno solo i loro interessi. Solo in un’occasione ti fanno credere che i loro interessi sono anche i tuoi. Quando devi votare. E noi come degli asini votiamo pensando di esprimere il nostro diritto a partecipare alla gestione della cosa pubblica. Se tu li voti gli dai potere e diventi loro complice, se nessuno va a votare forse capiranno che gli Italiani non sono più disponibili a farsi prendere per il c....o.

[alfieb]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1012892_10202140292499455_1156329019_n.jpg
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/binary/7.$plit/C_29_fotogallery_1002284__ImageGallery__imageGalle ryItem_11_image.jpg
http://elbocon.pe/image_cache/900x-bocon-fotos-80195320131116104840.jpg

Jessica Vella, model, age 23, from Catania

[Sikeliot]

^ She's very pretty but the second photo she looks like she wants to be a hoodrat. :lol:

I didn't know Vella was present on the east coast. Isn't that a western Sicilian surname?

[alfieb]

I didn't know Vella was present on the east coast. Isn't that a western Sicilian surname?
Yeah, it's totally not an East Coast name. It started in Agrigento and made its way to Malta and Palermo. Her family must have relocated to Catania. It's the economic hub of Sicily.

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, it's totally not an East Coast name. It started in Agrigento and made its way to Malta and Palermo. Her family must have relocated to Catania. It's the economic hub of Sicily.

It's definitely along the southern coast where you find it, mostly. It's one of the most common in Agrigento.

[alfieb]

http://i.imgur.com/6ds9Lw5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/p7uAATA.jpg

http://www.mpunto.it/wp-content/gallery/dalmazio-press2012-diva&donna/dalmazio-press2012-diva&donna-01.jpg

Miriam Dalmazio, actress, age 26, from Palermo

[Styrian Mujo]

It seems that all attractive Sicillian women are Nordish influenced.

[alfieb]

It seems that all attractive Sicillian women are Nordish influenced.

Nah, it's just the Nordish ones that go to Rome and get famous, because the traditional Sicilian look [Maria Grazia Cuccinotta, etc] is boring to Italians. We don't have our own TV, film, music industries. You turn on a TV in Sicily and you see what Rome wants you to see, and the Sicilians that Rome wants to see.

[Arbërori]

Nah, it's just the Nordish ones that go to Rome and get famous, because the traditional Sicilian look [Maria Grazia Cuccinotta, etc] is boring to Italians. We don't have our own TV, film, music industries. You turn on a TV in Sicily and you see what Rome wants you to see, and the Sicilians that Rome wants to see.

Honestly, Maria Grazia is absolutely stunning. I've always had this notion in my head, since a child that Sicilian women represent beauty in Italy, no offense to other Italians girls, but that dark, med look with an amazing waist holding two slices of heaven is just.... ah.

[alfieb]

http://www.carollevi.it/http://www.carollevi.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ando_01.jpg
http://www.tnasnc.it/imageserver/lightbox/files/immagini/attrici/Ando_Giulia/Giulia%20Ando%2019.jpg
http://0.static.wix.com/media/f115e3_96262ef735804dad92aae9c85861808c.jpeg

Giulia Andò, actress, age 26, from Palermo. Daughter of famous Palermitan director Roberto Andò.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Lots of beautiful girls shown. All my Christmases and birthdays would come at once if some of those babes came around to my apartment for some naughty fun.:p

[alfieb]

http://ctzen.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/rossella-fiamingo-2-300x300.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Rossella_Fiamingo_Challenge_International_de_Saint-Maur_2013_n01.jpg
http://coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/rossella-fiamingo-fencing.jpg

Rossella Fiamingo, fencing World Champion, age 23, from Catania.

Top photo is brand new. Just took home gold for Sicily. I mean Italy. Easy mistake.