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Beorn
09-03-2009, 12:48 AM
The British National Party will have to adapt to the undemocratic Orwellian ‘equality laws’ with regards to party membership criteria, or it will die, party leader Nick Griffin warned in reaction to today’s court hearing brought by the Commission for Equality & Human Rights (CEHR). “The CEHR move is a deadly serious threat to our very existence,” Mr Griffin said in a statement this evening. He pointed out that the severe danger to the party was illustrated by the fact that the court ordered the BNP to pay the costs of today’s hearing — which amount to thousands of pounds — and yet nothing had been decided.
To pursue the case all the way to an appeal in the House of Lords could cost the party more than a million pounds, he continued. This would effectively strip the party of its ability to fight the next general election.

Even though the outcome of the case is still undecided, Mr Griffin said that whatever the court might decide, “the forthcoming Equality Bill will, in any case, simply and unavoidably ban any political party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity.”
The entire court case is therefore pointless even from the CEHR’s position, and is clearly designed only to bleed the party of its funding.
Mr Griffin said any decision on amending the BNP’s constitution in this matter would “stick in the craw of all dedicated nationalists” but that it was a choice of “evolving and living to fight another day or going down in a blaze of glory.”
Mr Griffin said the starting point for any debate had to be “an understanding that the new law will shortly ban ethnically defined parties anyway. This makes the CEHR`s waste of public money so disgraceful and their attempt to bleed us to death by a totally unnecessary legal action so cynical and despicable.

“We could still fight it all the way on a point of stubborn principle — I think that most party old hands have worked out some time ago that I can be pretty damn stubborn when the time is right. The decision is not just mine to make,” he said, adding that it was a decision which must be taken by the party as a collective whole.
Mr Griffin said that if the party wanted to fight the case all the way, it would need to raise an extra £80,000 in the next four weeks. Some £20,000 would be needed this week to buy in more top lawyers’ time to triple check and hone to perfection the changes the party would have to make in its constitution and organisation.
“I have no doubt that it is possible to redraft our constitution so as to ensure we comply with the new law while at the same time holding true to our core principles and most importantly of all, to our purpose — which is to secure a future for the true children of our islands,” Mr Griffin said.

“By taking this as far as a court hearing, we have ensured that party unity will be maintained, because whatever steps we take, it is now crystal clear to all concerned that we simply do not have a choice.
“Adapt or die is the only decision left to make, for failure to adapt would lead either to our being bled white through the courts or crushed by new criminal laws. Party unity is priceless, because a party of brothers standing shoulder to shoulder can be persecuted, but it can never be beaten or broken.”
Mr Griffin concluded with a promise that once the party had moved to a “truly defensible position, we will go on the attack. Not just politically, so that our enemies quickly rue the day when they broke the very stick with which they have beaten us for so long, but also legally.
“We will be going into legal battle against Trevor Phillips and the rest of the ‘curs’, but it will be fought on ground that we choose, at the time that we appoint, and with our maximum strength directed against their weakest point. Our time will come — and sooner than they think.”

Mr Griffin’s full statement is as follows:

Statement from BNP leader Nick Griffin MEP on the Commission for Equality & Human Rights (CEHR) Case

02 September 2009

The barrister representing the party was at court on our behalf and got what we wanted — a seven week adjournment. This gives us the time and space we need to continue the urgent debate which opened with the very constructive and mature discussion meeting at the Red, White and Blue.
But most important of all, we have established two crucial points that had to be made, and could only be made by taking this as far as court, despite the inevitable cost.
The first is that the CEHR move, although motivated by their own internal political feuds as much as anything else, is a deadly serious threat to our very existence.
This is neither a game nor a phantom concern conjured up in order to push through changes to the constitution — which might well be electorally advantageous — but would stick in the craw of us dedicated nationalists.
Either we shift our position or we will be utterly crushed. That fact was established beyond any possible doubt when the judge ruled that we must pay the thousands of pounds of costs of today’s hearing.

How much that bill will be, we cannot tell, because part of the grotesque unfairness of this is that we will be forced to hire the services of a very good legal firm simply to argue that the figure which will be proposed by Trevor Phillips and co will be far too high and has to be reduced to something sensible and proportionate.
For us to take this case to the next hearing would mean raising and risking at least £80,000. To take it all the way to the House of Lords would swallow up well over a million Pounds.
Even if we were likely to win, we could only afford this with a super human effort which would involve, among other sacrifices, virtually abandoning the next general election.
What makes that course of action even more of a Charge of the Light Brigade gesture is, that whatever the court decides in October, the forthcoming Equality Bill will, in any case, simply and unavoidably ban any political party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity.
By taking this as far as a court hearing, we have ensured that party unity will be maintained, because whatever steps we take, it is now crystal clear to all concerned that we simply do not have a choice.

Adapt or die is the only decision left to make, for failure to adapt would lead either to our being bled white through the courts or crushed by new criminal laws.
Party unity is priceless, because a party of brothers standing shoulder to shoulder can be persecuted, but it can never be beaten or broken.
The second vital point we’ve made clear by letting this get all the way to court is that traditional British justice – indeed, the very essence of Britishness — is dead, murdered as part of New Labour´s creeping coup d’état.
Two of the great and ancient cornerstones of our true British identity are fairness and the unbreakable rule that institutions of the state must be bound by the rule of law.
The creation of CEHR and this persecution shattered both of those cornerstones. It is grotesquely unfair that a state-funded bureaucracy with 70 top lawyers and £70 million to burn, can decide, without showing a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing, to persecute a group of twelve and a half thousand mainly working class volunteers.
When the CEHR was established, it was originally intended to be bound by the kind of restrictions that are rightly imposed on all state bodies. The Labour government and the political elite have scrapped the safeguards.
The CEHR is an autocratic power block which can go before any court and follow the maxim of Humpty Dumpty in Alice through the Looking Glass that “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

Our lawyers’ highly compelling argument that the principle of Equality of Arms means that CEHR should fund our defence (as they would indeed assist any organisation representing literally any other ethnic group) was simply brushed aside by CEHR’s own lawyers, and thus not even considered by the court.
The shocking truth is that not even the Inland Revenue has this amount of power. The tax-grabbers are at least required to be, and to show, that they are fair.
The CEHR are empowered to do whatever they think fit. This is not British; it isn’t cricket. It is a fundamental change not just in our law but in our entire culture.
The scale of CEHR’s power and monstrous arrogance is best shown by the fact that their lawyers seriously proposed to the court to settle in a mere two hours the fundamental question raised by this case: namely whether indigenous groups recognised in law as having their ethnic origins in these islands (Eilias v MoD) and covered by the liberal-left’s own Race Relations Act are entitled to form associations of their own kind.

“Of course, they know perfectly well that we are. They know that we are, hence the brutal use of their legal steamroller to ensure that we cannot afford to make this particular case the Cause Celebre that would bring the point home to untold numbers more who are at present in blissful ignorance of our rights and duties as the first peoples of these, our islands.
So where do we go from here? The starting point for the debate has to be an understanding that the new law will shortly ban ethnically defined parties anyway, which makes CEHR`s waste of public money so disgraceful, and their attempt to bleed us to death by a totally unnecessary legal action, so cynical and despicable.
We could still fight it all the way on a point of stubborn principle — I think that most party old hands have worked out some time ago that I can be pretty damn stubborn when the time is right. The decision as to whether this is the right time to stand and go down in a blaze of glory, or to evolve and live to fight another day, is one that is not just mine to make. It is yours as well.

If the party collectively wants to fight, then we have to raise £80,000 extra in the next four weeks. If the party collectively wants to guarantee its survival, then we need £20,000 this week to buy in more top lawyers’ time to triple check and hone to perfection the changes we would have to make to our constitution and organisation.
We have already identified these, but our rough diamonds have to be cut and polished, and our iron tempered into the brightest steel.
I have no doubt that it is possible to redraft our constitution so as to ensure we comply with the new law while at the same time holding true to our core principles and most important of all to our purpose — to secure a future for the true children of our islands.
And I promise you one thing beyond this: That once we have moved to a truly defensible position we will go on the attack.
Not just politically, so that our enemies quickly rue the day when they broke the very stick with which they have beaten us for so long, but also legally.
We will be going into legal battle against Trevor Phillips and the rest of the ‘curs’, but it will be fought on ground that we choose, at the time that we appoint, and with our maximum strength directed against their weakest point. Our time will come — and sooner than they think.


Source (http://bnp.org.uk/2009/09/the-bnp-will-have-to-adapt-or-die-warns-party-leader/)

Perhaps now the BNP will take the correct course of action and stop wasting the money they need to contest elections. :rolleyes:

A lesson that was drilled into my head as a child was 'Don't try and beat the system, make it do the work for you'.

The BNP are more powerful at the ballot box. They need to realise this and continue with it.

Freomæg
09-03-2009, 08:54 PM
As I've discussed on other forums, this is ideologically regrettable, whilst being the right thing to do practically. The CEHR aren't going to celebrate over a changed membership-policy (if anything, it takes away some of their means of attack), they just wanted to financially cripple the BNP. Overall, I'm not enormously bothered by this, as long as the BNP make no further compromises, unless absolutely necessary. This fight can be re-fought at a later stage when the BNP have better financial backing.

What I'm far more concerned about - and British & Proud made mention of this in his version of the thread - is the precedent this sets. It is, quite simply, the state criminalising anyone who does not adhere to their ideology. It is totalitarianism. With this kind of power, the CEHR will enslave the minds of us all. There was nothing racist about the BNP's policy, it wasn't harming anyone. So there can only be one reason for the state to prosecute - to crush their opposition. I just hope the public see through it all and realise that once the establishment are done destroying the BNP, they're coming for the rest of us.

Liffrea
09-03-2009, 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Cythraul
I just hope the public see through it all and realise that once the establishment are done destroying the BNP, they're coming for the rest of us.

I think most see well enough but there is a world of difference between seeing and doing, me and British & Proud exchanged a couple of PM’s about this, me basically stating one of the reasons I left the BNP was the fact that out of all the members probably less than 10% actually do anything, it gets to the stage where you think alright I’ve done my bit, no one else gives a damn so why bother?

Any idiot can sit in a pub or front room or, indeed, post on an internet forum and moan but unless something concrete is going to come of their discontent then it doesn’t add up to anything at all.

Anyway I don’t mean to preach but it’s something that does annoy me, and I know some good men who have walked off because the support just wasn’t there.

As for the thread topic the BNP will be given a choice, conform or be banned, I don’t really have much opinion as to where they could go from here, something to mull over.....

British and Proud
09-03-2009, 10:08 PM
I think most see well enough but there is a world of difference between seeing and doing, me and British & Proud exchanged a couple of PM’s about this, me basically stating one of the reasons I left the BNP was the fact that out of all the members probably less than 10% actually do anything, it gets to the stage where you think alright I’ve done my bit, no one else gives a damn so why bother?

Any idiot can sit in a pub or front room or, indeed, post on an internet forum and moan but unless something concrete is going to come of their discontent then it doesn’t add up to anything at all.

Anyway I don’t mean to preach but it’s something that does annoy me, and I know some good men who have walked off because the support just wasn’t there.

As for the thread topic the BNP will be given a choice, conform or be banned, I don’t really have much opinion as to where they could go from here, something to mull over.....

But it is chaps like you and me who need to remain members in order that the party doesn't lose its way...

Skandi
09-03-2009, 10:11 PM
Some of us use our membership as a form of donation and protest, there is too much in the BNP that I disagree with for me to be an active member.

Liffrea
09-03-2009, 10:16 PM
I’m wondering if this isn’t an opportunity to be used, after all whilst I don’t think there will be a rush of non-whites to join those that do know what they are joining, so they can’t have any illusions about it. If the BNP make it a fundamental part of their charter to preserve the white indigenes as the majority in the UK and have all members sign that declaration.....

There’s also the fact that may 3rd generation immigrants are sick of immigration, I’ve even heard of Indians leaving Leicester due to Somalians…..it could be a source of support.

It’s not ideal but you have to play the hand you’re dealt at the end of the day.

Skandi
09-03-2009, 10:20 PM
To be brutally honest I do not thing that the highly Anglicised Hindu Indians are much of a problem, many of them have been here for several generations, and do not cause trouble. But the BNP would risk losing support of the more radicals, while not gaining enough from the moderates. I actually know Indians who voted BNP.

Germanicus
09-03-2009, 10:23 PM
The BNP has consistently made huge errors that have been well grasped upon in the press, one comes to mind about the spitfire picture they chose for an example.
The problem i think, and it has already mentioned in this Thread that the BNP need more financial backing, the PR they have is shocking....

Beorn
09-03-2009, 10:24 PM
An ease up on the imagery of the second world war would help contribute to making things go forward.

Skandi
09-03-2009, 10:25 PM
Yes the letters they send out really make me cringe. It's almost enough to make me go write some, BUT they have a set PR plan so it seems and do not deviate. They also ask for money too often.

Germanicus
09-03-2009, 10:35 PM
To make any impact at all in in the the next set of local or General elections there has to be a huge shaking up of how the BNP is fronted, as a leader of a party he is quiet, and why oh why are we not seeing the party on party political advert propelling how this country can be saved from the illegals in a calm positive format of dialogue?

Beorn
09-03-2009, 10:56 PM
To make any impact at all in in the the next set of local or General elections there has to be a huge shaking up of how the BNP is fronted

I know which female moderator will give me another rep telling me I'm a idiotic boy, but he only has one eye. He spiritually and mentally can't compensate for his physical inadequacies and needs to be replaced by a fully working, fully aesthetically pleasing individual with absolutely no blemishes or past skeletons to come out and haunt him.

Germanicus
09-03-2009, 11:00 PM
I know which female moderator will give me another rep telling me I'm a idiotic boy, but he only has one eye. He spiritually and mentally can't compensate for his physical inadequacies and needs to be replaced by a fully working, fully aesthetically pleasing individual with absolutely no blemishes or past skeletons to come out and haunt him.

You have summed it up pretty well mate:thumb001:

Fortis in Arduis
09-03-2009, 11:15 PM
I know which female moderator will give me another rep telling me I'm a idiotic boy, but he only has one eye. He spiritually and mentally can't compensate for his physical inadequacies and needs to be replaced by a fully working, fully aesthetically pleasing individual with absolutely no blemishes or past skeletons to come out and haunt him.

Ah but Broon and Odin have only one eye.

Of course, Broon knows how to photograph well, and he also wears make up:




1. Transparent Brush. Foam all over.

2. Small pot under eyes, dimple, creases, blend in.

3. Clinique. Super balanced make-up. All over again, like painting a wall, and ears. Shut eyes over lids then with make-up pad smooth over liquid.

4. Powder (dark brush) terracotta Guerlain, all over.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/gordon-brown/5306315/Gordon-Browns-make-up-instructions-left-in-taxi.html

Of course, the BNP require make-up artists, image consultants, PR experts and everything else, but how to compete with the multi-million pound budgets of the Lib-Lab-Con?

Beorn
09-03-2009, 11:22 PM
Ah but Broon and Odin have only one eye.

...and Hitler only had one ball. Look how he ended up. :D


Of course, the BNP needs make-up artists, image consultants, PR experts and everything else, but how to compete with the multi-million pound budgets of the Lib-Lab-Con?

Exactly! The BNP need to play dirty and do as the enemy do. Difference is they don't need to swallow. ;)

Fortis in Arduis
09-03-2009, 11:40 PM
I just want to add to the discussion about non-active BNP members or non-member activists.

I am not particularly a people person, so I feel that my donations are the best that I can offer my chosen political cause.

I have attended quite a few political events, and met some wonderful people, and I have heard Nick speak and the feeling is quite tremendous; he is a remarkable and spiritually blessed man, to the extent that everyone present feels that he is speaking directly to him; a quality that very few of us possess, but ultimately with my position, I am someone who is either not for, or who is above politics.

There are many men who can say what I want to say better than I, and they can speak for me.

I do not need to be there to say it, to put a leaflet through a letterbox, to place myself where I know I create more discord than harmony.

So my sole involvement is to donate money to allow those who are better able to make good use of it, and so why must there be an emphasis on activism when not everyone wants to go and play in the political playground where big inflatable egos go to bounce around in their political 'bouncy castle'?

It is just not my scene.

British and Proud
09-04-2009, 08:43 AM
The way I see it, many people are AFRAID to speak up against multiculturalism. They are scared to raise their heads above the parapet. They don't want to be seen to be 'crypto-fascists' by their neighbours which is why the media deliberately portray us as such, to frighten support away from the party. Such people should (I know some think they should grow a spine) donate, buy books from Excalibur, and when possible encourage their friends and relatives to vote BNP.

Those people that are prepared to stand for election are real heroes in my eyes. The venom and spite directed at them can be overwhelming (though it is less so now than ever, I'm assured). People shouldn't moan about the BNP, by frequenting this forum you profess to have an interest in our survival - culturally and ethnically, so why not do what you can? Why not write to the party and express your ideas, for example?

Freomæg
09-04-2009, 09:17 AM
Why not write to the party and express your ideas, for example?
I have actually done that and never had a reply. This is one of the main problems I have with the BNP. I understand they must be busy, but when someone takes the time to email them with ideas or comments they should at least respond with a brief note of thanks.

Treffie
09-04-2009, 09:24 AM
Some of us use our membership as a form of donation and protest, there is too much in the BNP that I disagree with for me to be an active member.

Yes, that's exactly how I feel. I don't care for the way that the media portrays them, but it's the way that I see them that makes me want to resist jumping in.


Yes the letters they send out really make me cringe. It's almost enough to make me go write some, BUT they have a set PR plan so it seems and do not deviate.

But unfortunately, mud sticks.

Fortis in Arduis
09-04-2009, 11:15 AM
I have actually done that and never had a reply. This is one of the main problems I have with the BNP. I understand they must be busy, but when someone takes the time to email them with ideas or comments they should at least respond with a brief note of thanks.

The party is not for gentlemen.

It is also clique and has to be so.

John Tyndall explained in this book 'The Eleventh Hour' the reasons why the BNP must be fundamentally undemocratic.

Look at what happened in the case of Sadie Graham and Matt Single, when trust was assumed rather than earned over a period of years.

There are and always will be deep cover agents within the BNP ready to strike, so officials have to be whiter than white and/or completely loyal and proven to be so from years of struggle and friendship. They exist in all political parties.

How else to explain Nick's defence of some less-than-media-friendly individuals? He has known them for years and has suffered and struggled with them long enough to know they are true.

Indeed Sadie Graham and Matt Single were whiter than white, although they fitted perfectly the profile for state agents:

Ex-military, ex-extra-parliamentary involvements...

British and Proud
09-04-2009, 12:35 PM
The party is not for gentlemen.

It is also clique and has to be so.

John Tyndall explained in this book 'The Eleventh Hour' the reasons why the BNP must be fundamentally undemocratic.

Look at what happened in the case of Sadie Graham and Matt Single, when trust was assumed rather than earned over a period of years.

There are and always will be deep cover agents within the BNP ready to strike, so officials have to be whiter than white and/or completely loyal and proven to be so from years of struggle and friendship. They exist in all political parties.

How else to explain Nick's defence of some less-than-media-friendly individuals? He has known them for years and has suffered and struggled with them long enough to know they are true.

Indeed Sadie Graham and Matt Single were whiter than white, although they fitted perfectly the profile for state agents:

Ex-military, ex-extra-parliamentary involvements...

I have to say that it's a shame if no response was received. I also consider myself to be a gentleman, but understand exactly what Fortis_in_Arduis is saying.

I would describe myself as middle class. I was privately educated for several years, I have a degree from a traditional university and my father was an accountant.

The BNP, however, is comprised mainly of working class people. Please do not conflate working class people with 'chavs', as that is certainly NOT the case. Most members I have encountered have been gentlemen in their forties and fifties who are hard-working people - taxi drivers, plumbers, builders, etc. There are many middle class types, also, I have encountered professionals, teachers an engineer and a banker, but for the most part the BNP is a working class party.

It is not surprising really, immigration has mostly affected working class areas, and though it hasn't previously affected the skilled trades so much (how many asian plumbers or electricians do you know of?), it has affected their lives more than middle class suburbanites. One taxi driver told me that Indian restaurants in his loacality only supply customers with numbers for Asian cabs, for example.

If one doubts what I am saying, take inner London as an example. The following is from a BBC report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8226707.stm) on the number of pupils who speak English as a second language:


But many of these pupils are likely to be concentrated in certain areas, such as inner London where 53.4% of pupils do not speak English as a first language.

So, what can expect the BNP to attract the people who have been marginalised, which - for now - is primarily the working classes from large cities.

It always makes me laugh when so called 'socialists' make fun of many BNP supporters' grammar and English. Not only have they deprived them of a chance, with their 'progressive education system' but also they themselves are often champagne socialists. Take the Blairs for example!

Yes, the BNP may be a little rough round the edges. But these people are standing up for what they believe is right. They are decent, honest, hard-working Britons who cannot see the justification for mass-immigration.

Liffrea
09-04-2009, 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis
So my sole involvement is to donate money to allow those who are better able to make good use of it, and so why must there be an emphasis on activism when not everyone wants to go and play in the political playground where big inflatable egos go to bounce around in their political 'bouncy castle'?

Well personally I think people should put up or shut up, barrack room lawyers and those who are going to put the world bang to rights are ten a penny, yes I do have a hard assed attitude but then I’ve seen people who are assets to the party, especially the former organiser of Derby branch walk off in disgust because when it comes to pounding the streets (and I’m not sure where you get the idea it’s about ego from) nobody turns out, they’re to busy watching TV, getting pissed or they won’t come out because it’s raining, it’s to hot, it’s snowing (insert excuse here).

One evening a week shoving bits of paper through letter boxes or a Saturday afternoon selling papers isn’t a great deal of anyone’s time in my book. You’re not “playing politics” or anything like that you’re just spreading the word, nobody will make you stand for council, nobody is chest beating or saying look at me, they are just people who think doing something is better than sitting on their ass moaning.

If you don’t want to do that, fair enough, if you want to just donate, fair enough, no skin off my nose, but there is no reason to have a dig at people who do give a damn enough to go out.

Now personally I doubt I would join the BNP again, seen too much of the ugly side of it to make we want to sign on the dotted line, case in point Derby man in court three days ago for throwing Nazi salutes at the RWB, when you have idiots like that it kind of negates any effort you put in.

The BNP need a sever purge in house as well as a sever make over, more often than not they do the work of their opponents for them.

Fortis in Arduis
09-04-2009, 02:08 PM
Well personally I think people should put up or shut up, barrack room lawyers and those who are going to put the world bang to rights are ten a penny, yes I do have a hard assed attitude but then I’ve seen people who are assets to the party, especially the former organiser of Derby branch walk off in disgust because when it comes to pounding the streets (and I’m not sure where you get the idea it’s about ego from) nobody turns out, they’re to busy watching TV, getting pissed or they won’t come out because it’s raining, it’s to hot, it’s snowing (insert excuse here).

Well, I can only speak for myself, that political movements of all shades attract big inflatable egos. It is the name of the game, but it is not why I would prefer to eschew activities involving other people.

I do not think that Mr Griffin is of that hue; quite the reverse.

I am an autistic person, so I generally prefer either my own company, or that of people who are familiar and au fait with my ways and will not look askance if I just do not want to talk or look people in the eye and small talk incessantly for hours on end...

To paraphrase your eminent self, I would rather shut up than put up. That is the autistic way.

I would like to do more, but I am not able to because it is too exhausting and headache-inducing managing all the social information. I know this because I have tried and volunteered to do so many times.


The BNP need a sever purge in house as well as a severe make over, more often than not they do the work of their opponents for them.

It is coming, in the form of a small number of sincere ethnic minority members who will most likely join the party and work like an extra-strong laxative.

One of the very few skills that I might have to offer the party is in proofreading and copy-editing, but I am just not going to put myself through that...

I have always been brilliant in work that has involved attention to the minutiae of application, such as theatre make-up, musical composition, yoga teaching and design but no-one enjoys being corrected over and over again, and even if they do and are grateful, the social aspects are just too exhausting for an autist like me, and I wind up being used and/or insulted.

So, yes, that is why I am on the dole (permanently, long-term) and that is why I remain an observer of rather than a participant in much of what many others consider to be 'life' and I shall never ever apologise for this.

Liffrea
09-04-2009, 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis
I would like to do it, but I am not able to because, it is too exhausting and headache-inducing managing all the social information, and I know because I have tried and volunteered to do so many times.

If you have a condition that prevents you then that’s understandable, the way you wrote, to me, seemed to be an attack on those who do volunteer.

Fortis in Arduis
09-04-2009, 02:34 PM
If you have a condition that prevents you then that’s understandable, the way you wrote, to me, seemed to be an attack on those who do volunteer.

No, I think that the volunteering aspect of the party is sound, and if I feasibly could, I would. I enjoyed it when I did, but it was too disruptive for me, and I also felt disruptive.

I stand by what I said about politics being the playground for inflatable egos, I think that it is hard not to notice that.

The BNP may not be so bad as the Lib-Lab-Con, but there is an ambition for temporal power, and people who are more interested in our eternal values are right to withdraw from that and to contribute from where and how they so able to.

Liffrea
09-04-2009, 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis
I stand by what I said about politics being the playground for inflatable egos, I think that it is hard not to notice that.

Completely agree with that, which is why I don’t define myself by political allegiance, I support what I believe is right, regardless of source.