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Szegedist
04-29-2013, 01:48 PM
The World Jewish Congress’s upcoming quadrennial assembly, scheduled for May 5 in Budapest, Hungary, promises to be a complicated affair. It arrives just one month after WJC President Ronald Lauder’s public condemnation of his host country’s prime minister for presiding over “a xenophobic and increasingly anti-Semitic country.”

In fact, Lauder says proudly, this is precisely why he has decided to hold his group’s annual gathering in Hungary. And Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s acceptance of the WJC’s invitation to address its opening dinner will only add to the anticipated high drama.

http://forward.com/articles/175457/jewish-congress-prepares-to-meet-in-hungary-amid-c/?p=all

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 01:49 PM
If the Jews would have been loyal citizens then they wouldn't have needed their own Congress. The very existence of this Congress shows that they are fifth columnists and they should be treated as such.

Szegedist
04-29-2013, 01:52 PM
If the Jews would have been loyal citizens then they wouldn't have needed their own Congress. The very existence of this Congress shows that they are fifth columnists and they should be treated as such.

Its not a Hungarian Jewish Congress, but a World Jewish congress, that simply happened to pick Budapest of all places to hold their gathering.
This is just another provocation, like the time the some Homosexual organisation decided to have their "Gay Sports Games" in Budapest.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 01:53 PM
Its not a Hungarian Jewish Congress, but a World Jewish congress, that simply happened to pick Budapest of all places to hold their gathering.
This is just another provocation, like the time the some Homosexual organisation decided to have their "Gay Sports Games" in Budapest.
Exactly. These people are traitors to their own country and they should be locked up for life (in some countries) or shot (in other countries).

Sblast
04-29-2013, 02:20 PM
If the Jews would have been loyal citizens then they wouldn't have needed their own Congress. The very existence of this Congress shows that they are fifth columnists and they should be treated as such.

Didn't you quote the cliche "with freedom comes responsibility"? How about paying rent?
"Jews" ("the Jews ...they ") is a quite a broad category, categorical language which you constantly abuse without ever thinking of refining your terms to actually fit the context.
You (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Americans_in_the_military)exhibiton e (http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/17642-jewish-officers-in-the-german-army-of-ww1/) lazy disgusting (http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3230/3134074376_dfca87d213_z.jpg?zz=1) behavior, I doubt (http://www.myetymology.com/encyclopedia/Jewish_regiment_in_the_Russian_Civil_War.html) I can even call that anti-Semitic, rather than just thick (http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4111/4969553288_80af32e7b9_z.jpg)and hypocritical (http://www.farsarotul.org/nl2_1.htm). Do you like my mosaic (http://www.jewishjericho.org.il/images/shalom/say.jpg)?
About refining, you could show some honesty and use the term "Fifth column ideologues", which may or may not include certain Jews - a property which is accidental or rephrase as "those are fifth columnists Jews". But thinking isn't the point, is it?

And no, it does not follow that from the very existence of it they are fifth columnists more than the local charity foundation, chess club or any other organisation.
The Anti-Semitism in Hungary (or anywhere) is a concern to any decent human being.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:21 PM
Didn't you quote the cliche "with freedom comes responsibility"? How about paying rent?
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That's what I am doing. How about you people being loyal citizens of another country ? The number of Jews that have fallen for their country in any war has actually been negligible if almost non-existent. They profited from it though. The goj can die for you, right ?

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/02/paying-their-share-jewish-american-military-losses-in-the-war-on-terror/

Sblast
04-29-2013, 02:24 PM
Its not a Hungarian Jewish Congress, but a World Jewish congress, that simply happened to pick Budapest of all places to hold their gathering.
This is just another provocation, like the time the some Homosexual organisation decided to have their "Gay Sports Games" in Budapest.

Where should they pick a place then? Outer space? :lol:.

Why shouldn't they have a "Gay Sports Games" in Budapest more than you having the freedom to move around and organize?
The provocation is a projection in the front of your skull, and in the front of your egocentric skull only.
Gays live and had their own values and desires that do not surround around you. Yeah, they feel like a social sports event :cool:. Wanna join? if not in Budaphest we have some in Tel-Aviv. That is if you are secure enough about your sexual identity (never know with homophobes. You know lots of them tend to get more blood pumped into their penises than normal people do when watching gay porn, right?).

Szegedist
04-29-2013, 02:26 PM
Where should they pick a place then? Outer space? :lol:.

Why shouldn't they have a "Gay Sports Games" in Budapest more than you having the freedom to move around and organize?
The provocation is a projection in the front of your skull, and in the front of your egocentric skull only.
Gays live and had their own values and desires that do not surround around you.

Why not pick Israel? Israel is supposed to be the sacred land of Jews, so why come to goim place like Hungary?

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:28 PM
Funny thing is: I haven't heard anything of Dutch Jewish soldiers dying for their country. Or getting wounded for it. Not even during WWII while we as a nation were fighting for our very existence.
While Dutch boys were dying for their country ? Where were you lot ?

Philo
04-29-2013, 02:33 PM
That's what I am doing. How about you people being loyal citizens of another country ? The number of Jews that have fallen for their country in any war has actually been negligible if almost non-existent. They profited from it though. The goj can die for you, right ?

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/02/paying-their-share-jewish-american-military-losses-in-the-war-on-terror/

What about Israel? 22,000 and counting.:picard2:


Funny thing is: I haven't heard anything of Dutch Jewish soldiers dying for their country. Or getting wounded for it. Not even during WWII while we as a nation were fighting for our very existence.
While Dutch boys were dying for their country ? Where were you lot ?
Of course you have'nt. How convenient:bored:.


Why not pick Israel? Israel is supposed to be the sacred land of Jews, so why come to goim place like Hungary?

To piss you off.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:34 PM
What about Israel? 22,000 and counting.:picard2:
I am not talking about Israel. I am talking about all the countries where Jews hold passports. They didn't die for their countries: they let others die for them while they get rich. Only a few decent individuals did answer the call. The bulk didn't.

Philo
04-29-2013, 02:36 PM
I am not talking about Israel. I am talking about all the countries where Jews hold passports. They didn't die for their countries: they let others die for them while they get rich. Only a few decent individuals did answer the call. The bulk didn't.

Bullshit. Look at Germany in the first world war.

Szegedist
04-29-2013, 02:36 PM
There were Jews in the Austro-Hungarian army, mostly out of their loyalty to their emperor. They even had prayers in Hebrew for the Emperor's health.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:36 PM
Of course you have'nt. How convenient:bored:.

I have looked for it though.. but I haven't found anything. How typical. As always: they are not pulling their weight because of a sheer lack of loyalty.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:37 PM
Bullshit. Look at Germany in the first world war.
The few and far between. Where were you lot in the war on terror. Nowhere to be seen. Where were you in May 1940 while the Dutch for their lives ? Not there. Not there. As always: other people have the privilege to die for you.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:40 PM
There were Jews in the Austro-Hungarian army, mostly out of their loyalty to their emperor. They even had prayers in Hebrew for the Emperor's health.
Most of them probably being in champagne units, no ?

Philo
04-29-2013, 02:41 PM
I have looked for it though.. but I haven't found anything. How typical. As always: they are not pulling their weight because of a sheer lack of loyalty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Legion
Although you could argue they did do it in order to get a homeland, they still died for the queen/king(whoever was ruling at that time).

Patterson later wrote: "Many of the Zionists whom I thought somewhat lacking in courage showed themselves fearless to a degree when under heavy fire, while Captain Trumpeldor actually revelled in it, and the hotter it became the more he liked it..."
I am not even going to talk about Russia. I assume that you would'nt fight for a country which considered your people to be part of a lower race and routinley killed them?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire


Most of them probably being in champagne units, no ?

You always have a way to twist things around.


The few and far between. Where were you lot in the war on terror. Nowhere to be seen.
The war of terror? Look around you. We're the first ones to suffer terror.

Where were you in May 1940 while the Dutch for their lives ? Not there. Not there. As always: other people have the privilege to die for you.
There were 150,000 Jews in Netheralnds at the time. How many able-bodied men could ther ehave been? And besides, I am more than sure we were there. Unless you have the data on every single Dutch soldier.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:42 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Legion
Although you could argue they did do it in order to get a homeland, they still died for the queen/king(whoever was ruling at that time).
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And with a nice low casualty rate. Particularly when compared to units that got wiped out time and time again. 90 dead. Is that all you people wanted to sacrifice for the British Empire ?

Szegedist
04-29-2013, 02:43 PM
Most of them probably being in champagne units, no ?

Yes

While the Jewish population of the lands of the Dual Monarchy was about 5%, Jews made up nearly 18% of the reserve officer corps.

And per 1000 officers, 84 were Jews (by religion)

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:45 PM
Yes

While the Jewish population of the lands of the Dual Monarchy was about 5%, Jews made up nearly 18% of the reserve officer corps.

And per 1000 officers, 84 were Jews (by religion)

I am not surprised. :)

lamb
04-29-2013, 02:45 PM
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Sblast
04-29-2013, 02:46 PM
That's what I am doing. How about you people being loyal citizens of another country ? The number of Jews that have fallen for their country in any war has actually been negligible if almost non-existent. They profited from it though. The goj can die for you, right ?

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/02/paying-their-share-jewish-american-military-losses-in-the-war-on-terror/


"you people". You mean those with higher IQs and more integrity than you? There are no "you people".

A. Still misusing language. Fix that or find away pay rent.
B. "They profited". I didn't, the dead Jewish soldiers didn't - here's a surprise - I doubt if most Jews had anything 'military profits'. Go back to (A).
C. Negligible in terms of what? Did you count the meaningful ratios?
D. That's the US in a recent war. That does not account for the rest nor does it for your unwarrented conclusions you are trying to draw from it with manipulative language and oversimplifications.

Philo
04-29-2013, 02:46 PM
And with a nice low casualty rate. Particularly when compared to units that got wiped out time and time again. 90 dead. Is that all you people wanted to sacrifice for the British Empire ?

Learn to read:

Patterson later wrote: "Many of the Zionists whom I thought somewhat lacking in courage showed themselves fearless to a degree when under heavy fire, while Captain Trumpeldor actually revelled in it, and the hotter it became the more he liked it..."

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:47 PM
886,939 British military death in WWI. 1,115,597 with the rest of the Empire included. I have no further questions. Those men gave it all. 90 Jewish casualties ?
How about the 27.000 men that died on the very first day of the Battle of the Somme.. when they (after 60 hours of waiting, half deaf because of the bombardment that had been taking place for the last 10 days and exhausted by the lack of sleep and the shattered nerves, buried under 50kg of equipment) clambered out of their trenches in neat rows only to be mowed down in the same neat rows by the German machine guns as the bombardment had been ineffective. .

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:48 PM
Learn to read:
They can write whatever pleases the propaganda of their Zionist masters. The reality is: they suffered virtually no losses.

Philo
04-29-2013, 02:49 PM
They can write whatever pleases the propaganda of their Zionist masters. The reality is: they suffered virtually no losses.

Yes. He wrote it (probably in his personal diary/ memoir/whatever) just to please the "Jewish masters".:picard2:
I see conspiracists are running low on ammo.


886,939 British military death in WWI. 1,115,597 with the rest of the Empire included. I have no further questions. Those men gave it all.

How does that undermine the death of those men? should it have been you who died in battle?

Sblast
04-29-2013, 02:50 PM
Why not pick Israel? Israel is supposed to be the sacred land of Jews, so why come to goim place like Hungary?

Do you understand the word "chairs"? Do you understand that some are black and some are white? Some are used for sitting and some for exhibition? Some are public and some private?

Because not all Jews are Zionists. But given your inability you understand that not all objects in a catagory are the same and difffer substantially.

Sblast
04-29-2013, 02:51 PM
886,939 British military death in WWI. 1,115,597 with the rest of the Empire included. I have no further questions. Those men gave it all.

That is an astoundingly stupid comparison. What was the ratio of Jews killed given their ratio as a part of the population?
What were the sociological reasons?

Is "propaganda" a curse word to you or it actually has content?

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:52 PM
That is an astoundingly stupid comparison. What was the ratio of Jews killed given their ratio as a part of the population?
What were the sociological reasons?
90 Jewish dead when compared to the more than a million. It's not even a percentage. You people didn't pay the price the others paid. But the Wartburgs and the Rothschilds made good money though.

Szegedist
04-29-2013, 02:55 PM
I can tell you about Jewish military contributions.

When the grand vizier, Ibrahim Pasha, preceding Sultan Suleiman I, arrived with his army at Buda, the representatives of the Jews who had remained in the city appeared garbed in mourning before him, and, begging for grace, handed him the keys of the deserted and unprotected castle in token of submission.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 02:56 PM
I can tell you about Jewish military contributions.

When the grand vizier, Ibrahim Pasha, preceding Sultan Suleiman I, arrived with his army at Buda, the representatives of the Jews who had remained in the city appeared garbed in mourning before him, and, begging for grace, handed him the keys of the deserted and unprotected castle in token of submission.
Such incredible bravery. It would almost break my heart. :rolleyes:

Sblast
04-29-2013, 02:58 PM
90 Jewish dead when compared to the more than a million. It's not even a percentage. You people didn't pay the price the others paid.

Out of what? The whole British Army? or just your cherry pick? :lol:.
You are truly an motivated idiot. Can I give you a badge? Or just a block you deserve for some while now?

At a lst post can you tell me how many were awarded medals. Then tell me what you have done in your life so I can fit you in a proper, real fitting category. Come on, if you have the balls of a real man and not a little bigoted 12 year old girl getting her first bleed.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:02 PM
Out of what?The while British Army? or just your cherry pick? :lol:.

90 dead. No casualties whatsoever. The British Jews might just as well have stayed at home for all their worth.

Szegedist
04-29-2013, 03:03 PM
Jews and the Hungarian Revolution
Jews entered the national guard as early as March 1848; although they were excluded from certain cities, they reentered as soon as the danger to the country seemed greater than the hatred of the citizens. At Pest the Jewish national guard formed a separate division. When the national guards of Pápa were mobilized against the Croatians, Leopold Löw, rabbi of Pápa, joined the Hungarian ranks, inspiring his companions by his words of encouragement. Jews were also to be found in the volunteer corps, and among the honvéd and landsturm; and they constituted one-third of the volunteer division of Pest that marched along the Drava against the Croatians, being blessed by Rabbi Schwab on June 22, 1848.

Many Jews throughout the country joined the army to fight for their fatherland; among them, Adolf Hübsch, subsequently rabbi at New York; Solomon Marcus Schiller-Szinessy, afterward lecturer at the University of Cambridge; and Ignatz Einhorn, who, under the name of "Eduard Horn," subsequently became state secretary of the Hungarian Ministry of Commerce. The rebellious Serbians slew the Jews at Zenta who sympathized with Hungary; among them, Rabbi Israel Ullmann and Jacob Münz, son of Moses Münz of Óbuda The conduct of the Jewish soldiers in the Hungarian army was highly commended by Generals Klapka and Görgey. Einhorn estimated the number of Jewish soldiers who took part in the Hungarian Revolution to be 20,000; but this is most likely exaggerated, as Béla Bernstein enumerates only 755 combatants by name in his work, Az 1848-49-iki Magyar Szabadságharcz és a Zsidók (Budapest, 1898).

The Hungarian Jews served their country not only with the sword, but also with funds. Communities and individuals, Chevra Kadisha, and other Jewish societies, freely contributed silver and gold, armor and provisions, clothed and fed the soldiers, and furnished lint and other medical supplies to the Hungarian camps. Meanwhile they did not forget to take steps to obtain their rights as citizens. When the Diet of 1847–1848 (in which, according to ancient law, only the nobles and those having the rights of nobles might take part) was dissolved (April 11), and the new Parliament — at which under the new laws the delegates elected by the commons also appeared — was convened at Pest (July 2, 1848), the Jews hopefully looked forward to the deliberations of the new body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Hungary#Revolution_and_eman cipation.2C_1848.E2.80.931849

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:04 PM
How many Hungarian Jews did actually fall for their fatherland ? Forming a champagne regiment is one thing. Actually fighting is another. It's funny their propaganda says 20.000 volunteers fighting in the war. Reality says: just 755. It's the typical pattern. I wonder how much of those 755 came home ? I think it will be 755. 755 volunteers and a bit of money and food: not a bad investment if they want to take-over the country ("getting civil rights").

Sblast
04-29-2013, 03:08 PM
90 dead. No casualties whatsoever. The British Jews might just as well have stayed at home for all their worth.

Still not paying rent.

A. Not a million Jews living at the time in Britain.
B. Not 90 killed in the British armed forces.
C. Can you think of a proper punishment for outright lying and deception?
D. Give me the number of Jews that were awarded with medals.

You're'e welcome to use google while your'e at it and post the numbers with references.
Or refer to (C).

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:09 PM
We don't owe you rent. You owe us rent for even getting the privelige of having lived here in our countries (which don't belong to you) and sucking us dry for over a 1000 years. So it's time to pay the rent don't you think ? So now it's time to dig in your pocket, thank countries like the Netherlands and Britain, for many years of relative hospitality and repay us what you owe us. The rent: which means: to repay what you stole from us, to apologise for any wars your bankers may have caused and to send your boys to war with us if you cause another one. This time we will sent them to the head of the column.

Szegedist
04-29-2013, 03:11 PM
How many Hungarian Jews did actually fall for their fatherland ? Forming a champagne regiment is one thing. Actually fighting is another. It's funny their propaganda says 20.000 volunteers fighting in the war. Reality says: just 755. It's the typical pattern. I wonder how much of those 755 came home ? I think it will be 755. 755 volunteers and a bit of money and food: not a bad investment if they want to take-over the country ("getting civil rights").

Our strength was about 150 000, so 20 000 Jews would be about 13%, which just sounds way too much, 755 sounds more likely.

Sblast
04-29-2013, 03:12 PM
We don't owe you rent. You owe us rent for even getting the privelige of having lived here in our countries (which don't belong to you) and sucking us dry for over a 1000 years. So it's time to pay the rent don't you think ?

Truth is the subject and 'rent' is a metaphor and I did not live for 1000 years (not yet! :lol:).

Still not paying rent.

A. Not a million Jews living at the time in Britain.
B. Not 90 killed in the British armed forces.
C. Can you think of a proper punishment for outright lying and deception?
D. Give me the number of Jews that were awarded with medals in the allied forces.

You're'e welcome to use google while you're at it and post the numbers with references.
Or refer back again to (C).

And oh, when you generalize one counter-example is enough for the proposition to be tendered false.
If you don't want to sound plain stupid around normal people I suggest you use more subtle language to fit reality.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:14 PM
Truth is the subject and 'rent' is a metaphor and I did not live for 1000 years (not yet! :lol:).

Still not paying rent.

Your people owes us quite a bit of money and even more gratitude. And the rent should be seen here indeed a metaphor: you claim that we owe you. But it's the other way around indeed.
We gave you shelter for over a 1000 years and the West even "gave you back" Palestine although your claims are unreliable at best.

Sblast
04-29-2013, 03:16 PM
Your people owes us quite a bit of money and even more gratitude. And the rent should be seen here indeed a metaphor: you claim that we owe you. But it's the other way around indeed.
We gave you shelter for over a 100 years and the West even "gave you back" Palestine although your claims are unreliable at best.

"Sorry The Lawspeaker is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her."

I guess that sucks. You are ignoring the rest of my post.
Here's the rest:

A. Not a million Jews living at the time in Britain.
B. Not 90 killed in the British armed forces.
C. Can you think of a proper punishment for outright lying and deception?
D. Give me the number of Jews that were awarded with medals in the allied forces.

You're'e welcome to use google while you're at it and post the numbers with references.
Or refer back again to (C).

And oh, when you generalize one counter-example is enough for the proposition to be tendered false.
If you don't want to sound plain stupid around normal people I suggest you use more subtle language to fit reality.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:16 PM
You are blocked.
Good. It shows that I hit a nerve. But yes, the rent needs to be paid and paid in full. So it's time to pay.

Sblast
04-29-2013, 03:19 PM
"Sorry The Lawspeaker is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her."

I guess that sucks. You are ignoring the rest of my post.
Here's the rest:

A. Not a million Jews living at the time in Britain.
B. Not 90 killed in the British armed forces.
C. Can you think of a proper punishment for outright lying and deception?
D. Give me the number of Jews that were awarded with medals in the allied forces.

You're'e welcome to use google while you're at it and post the numbers with references.
Or refer back again to (C).

And oh, when you generalize one counter-example is enough for the proposition to be tendered false.
If you don't want to sound plain stupid around normal people I suggest you use more subtle language to fit reality.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:21 PM
I am still waiting for you to pay the rent. 1000 years of relative hospitality. 1000 of increasing wealth by using usury against Christian Europe (where the practice of usury was banned by the Church). So you got wealthy over our backs and you were safe from harm. And then comes the price: Palestine. A country which you have virtually no rights of occupying after a Balfour Declaration which was "strange" at best. So time to pay the rent, is't it ? Everyone can use a 3500 book that your ancestors themselves have written to justify claims on a land from which you exterminated the original Canaanite population. Hmmm I recognise a pattern here: aren't you doing the same shit with the Palestinians today ? That's right. You are. And you're trying to make the West your accomplices.

Sblast
04-29-2013, 03:23 PM
I am still waiting for you to pay the rent. 1000 years of relative hospitality. 1000 of increasing wealth by using usury against Christian Europe (where the practice of usury was banned by the Church). So you got wealthy over our backs and you were safe from harm. And then comes the price: Palestine. A country which you have virtually no rights of occupying after a Balfour Declaration which was "strange" at best. So time to pay the rent, is't it ?

"Senior Moderator"....:picard2:
I'm unsubscribing.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:25 PM
"Senior Moderator"....:picard2:
I'm unsubscribing.
It's time to pay the rent. A "thank you' for a 1000 years and a repayment of the debt you owe us might be appropriate, don't you think ? No no.. you don't need to worry about the interest. Usury is a sin.

SkyBurn
04-29-2013, 03:36 PM
I am still waiting for you to pay the rent. 1000 years of relative hospitality.

You're kidding right? Relative hospitality? :laugh:


1000 of increasing wealth by using usury against Christian Europe (where the practice of usury was banned by the Church). So you got wealthy over our backs and you were safe from harm.

Nobody was allowed to collect taxes or do banking things. So the noblemen forced the Jews into it.
What did they get in result?
Local peasants got angry about the high taxes, and instead of blaming the noblemen who set them, blamed the Jews. A few pogroms and angry destructions later, the Noblemen get bored and just kick out the Jews. They said it was coz "Jews killed Jesus", but in reality, it was to take all the money/land earned by the Jews and calm down the peasants. They did not get wealthy behind your back, and were CERTAINLY not kept safe from harm. I don't know what you're on about.


And then comes the price: Palestine. A country which you have virtually no rights of occupying after a Balfour Declaration which was "strange" at best. So time to pay the rent, is't it ?

The UN accepted a Jewish state. The Palestinians rejected it. The Jews declared independence. The Palestinians waged war.
Much of the land was bought from Palestinians anyway, and gained through legitimate methods. The UN OK'd it, but the Muslims couldn't stand the idea of Jews. Just as Christian Europe couldn't.


Everyone can use a 3500 book that your ancestors themselves have written to justify claims on a land from which you exterminated the original Canaanite population.

This I agree on. A Jewish state for religious reasons is idiotic.


Hmmm I recognise a pattern here: aren't you doing the same shit with the Palestinians today ? That's right. You are. And you're trying to make the West your accomplices.

K.

baraSYR
04-29-2013, 03:40 PM
Sbalst, what do you think of your country Isreal ? I consider it to be an alien to the ME.

SkyBurn
04-29-2013, 03:40 PM
Sbalst, what do you think of your country Isreal ? I consider it to be an alien to the ME.

Why? Because it's not Islamic? Are we not Arabic enough for you?

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:41 PM
You're kidding right? Relative hospitality?:laugh:
Just look at the Netherlands, Venetian Republic, England, Switzerland, Spain (until after the Reconquista which were stepped in and they came to the Netherlands), France.




Nobody was allowed to collect taxes or do banking things. So the noblemen forced the Jews into it.
What did they get in result?
Local peasants got angry about the high taxes, and instead of blaming the noblemen who set them, blamed the Jews. A few pogroms and angry destructions later, the Noblemen get bored and just kick out the Jews. They said it was coz "Jews killed Jesus", but in reality, it was to take all the money/land earned by the Jews and calm down the peasants. They did not get wealthy behind your back, and were CERTAINLY not kept safe from harm. I don't know what you're on about.
The Jews were the ones to commit usury against the peasants. Not the noblemen.




The UN accepted a Jewish state. The Palestinians rejected it. The Jews declared independence. The Palestinians waged war.
Much of the land was bought from Palestinians anyway, and gained through legitimate methods. The UN OK'd it, but the Muslims couldn't stand the idea of Jews. Just as Christian Europe couldn't.
That bought is a lie. Most people were just evicted from their land and Israel itself has violated the UN agreement on a 1000 occassions. Just look at the present border. It says enough.

http://www.israpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Israel-1948-491.gif




This I agree on. A Jewish state for religious reasons is idiotic.
And it's still the only foundation they have.




K.
http://www.justicewithpeace.org/system/files/u1/Palestinian_land_loss_Map.jpg

In other words: genocide. Since the word isn't owned by anyone I would prefer to refer to it as the Palestinian Holocaust.

baraSYR
04-29-2013, 03:46 PM
Why? Because it's not Islamic? Are we not Arabic enough for you?

Are you Isreali ? or you just make the big stand with your ethnicity, and this is the main idea of this thread. No, not because you are not muslims or arabic. but because you are really alien to Palestine. you come from Europe, Morocco and Yemen ( the last two are Islamic countries :) ) supported by the zionist and Rothschild bankers family to a strange land that end with the state of Isreal.

SkyBurn
04-29-2013, 03:50 PM
Just look at the Netherlands, Venetian Republic, England, Switzerland, Spain (until after the Reconquista which were stepped in and they came to the Netherlands), France.

All these countries evicted the Jews, and by the time they let (very small numbers) them in, Jews were able to actually participate in society. This is only a few hundred years ago.


The Jews were the ones to commit usury against the peasants. Not the noblemen.

Of course you think they committed usury. The peasants thought they were being charged too much (with prices set by nobelmen), and claimed usury because they didn't want to pay it. Even if some did, the fact was that you have little proof, and I doubt the Jews would add too much to whatever interest rates they gave out in fear of angry non-Jewish attack.


That bought is a lie. Most people were just evicted from their land and Israel itself has violated the UN agreement on a 1000 occassions. Just look at the present border. It says enough.
And it's still the only foundation they have
In other words: genocide.

While I agree that Israel does some bad things, they do what they must to continue existing. Many of these actions are necessitated.

Palestinians were rejected by every country around them. Rather than trying to integrate, they separate themselves. While I admit there is discrimination, Israelis have become very paranoid due to the thread of having angry muslims with rockets all around them.

As for the loss of Palestinian land, the settlements are something I'm against. Also, some of that land was won in one of the numerous wars waged on them by surrounding nations.

baraSYR
04-29-2013, 03:51 PM
If thousands of thousands of aliens migrate to any " alien " country and start reproduce in huge scales they are going to be called " Invasive species ".

SkyBurn
04-29-2013, 03:53 PM
Are you Isreali ? or you just make the big stand with your ethnicity, and this is the main idea of this thread. No, not because you are not muslims or arabic. but because you are really alien to Palestine. you come from Europe, Morocco and Yemen ( the last two are Islamic countries :) ) supported by the zionist and Rothschild bankers family to a strange land that end with the state of Isreal.

I make a stand with them because to some extent, anti-Israel attacks are just thinly veiled anti-Semitic attacks. It's easy to look at Israeli actions as portrayed by sensationalist media and say "those f***ing Jews", but by defending Israel (out of necessity), I defend myself.
Many member of TA would have something to say about us being from Europe :p while I agree to a large extent, some Jews don't feel that way after WW2.
Personally, I think a Jewish state should've been plopped in somewhere random. But they chose that spot, and are now forced to make the best of a bad situation (not well, but they kind of try).

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:53 PM
All these countries evicted the Jews, and by the time they let (very small numbers) them in, Jews were able to actually participate in society. This is only a few hundred years ago.
We never did. You could even look it up. In fact: one of the reasons why the Dutch can be so proud of their country is the fact that we had relative tolerance for other religions - particularly when compared to let's say Spain.




Of course you think they committed usury. The peasants thought they were being charged too much (with prices set by nobelmen), and claimed usury because they didn't want to pay it. Even if some did, the fact was that you have little proof, and I doubt the Jews would add too much to whatever interest rates they gave out in fear of angry non-Jewish attack.
And that's why they have been hated and reviled as usurers that strip bare the poor all over Europe. People don't get that reputation for nothing.




While I agree that Israel does some bad things, they do what they must to continue existing. Many of these actions are necessitated.
The Nazi's said the same thing when they put them all on the train. Necessity doesn't drive them. Malice does.


Palestinians were rejected by every country around them. Rather than trying to integrate, they separate themselves. While I admit there is discrimination, Israelis have become very paranoid due to the thread of having angry muslims with rockets all around them.

As for the loss of Palestinian land, the settlements are something I'm against. Also, some of that land was won in one of the numerous wars waged on them by surrounding nations.
Which is not an excuse for Israel to genocide. For a nation of refugees of the (supposedly) worst genocide known to Man one would expect better behaviour.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:54 PM
If thousands of thousands of aliens migrate to any " alien " country and start reproduce in huge scales they are going to be called " Invasive species ".
Or colonisation.. which will always lead to genocide. There hasn't been a single large migration of that sort in world history that hasn't lead to genocide. Not one.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 03:59 PM
For some reading material, Skyburn. Enjoy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardic_Jews_in_the_Netherlands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Netherlands

Note: any liberties they may not have had in the 17th century were also excluded for Catholics or anyone else that didn't belong to the official protestant church.

SkyBurn
04-29-2013, 04:00 PM
We never did. You could even look it up.

One of my favourite philosophers was a man named Baruch Spinoza. He was Dutch, I'm sure you've heard of him.
Anyway, Jews in the Netherlands weren't a huge proportion to be of interest.


And that's why they have been hated and reviled as usurers that strip bare the poor all over Europe. People don't get that reputation for nothing.

They were painted as usurers because it suited the struggling peasant class under a selfish nobility. It's easy to blame the Jews, but the Jews were not exactly left options. People don't always deserve a reputation.

Which seems more likely? The Jewish bankers tried milking money from peasants, despite the dangers to their safety (even though they kept to themselves and had little need for external finance)? Or the peasants accused their taxmen of usury to salvage the little money they had?


The Nazi's said the same thing when they put them all on the train. Necessity doesn't drive them. Malice does.

‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel’ – Benjamin Netanyahu (not the greatest guy, but I agree with what he said)


Which is not an excuse for Israel to genocide. For a nation of refugees of the (supposedly) worst genocide known to Man one would expect better behaviour.

Genocide? No. But some extent, yes, many right winged Israelis lack empathy.

SkyBurn
04-29-2013, 04:05 PM
For some reading material, Skyburn. Enjoy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardic_Jews_in_the_Netherlands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Netherlands

Note: any liberties they may not have had in the 17th century were also excluded for Catholics or anyone else that didn't belong to the official protestant church.

Quite interesting. By the sounds of it, the Netherlands treated the Jews well, and the Jews did the Netherlands a lot of good too.
Perhaps this is more of a reflection upon the Dutch than the Jews.


Under the government of William V the country was troubled by internal dissensions; the Jews, however, remained loyal to him. As he entered the legislature on the day of his majority, 8 March 1766, everywhere in the synagogues services of thanks-giving were held. William V did not forget his Jewish subjects. On 3 June 1768, he visited both the German and the Portuguese synagogue; he attended the marriage of various prominent Jewish families.

So it seems the Jews are capable of loyalty to their host nation. The King was good to the Jews, and the Jews were good to the king. Sounds pretty symbiotic.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 04:06 PM
One of my favourite philosophers was a man named Baruch Spinoza. He was Dutch, I'm sure you've heard of him.
Anyway, Jews in the Netherlands weren't a huge proportion to be of interest.
I don't think there are many Dutch that haven't heard of him. I think you would be mistaken there: Amsterdam was a huge concentration of the Jewish population in the Netherlands. From the top of my head but at the end of the 17th century Amsterdam already had 200.000 inhabitants. Tens of thousands were Jewish. The Netherlands as a country would have had no more than around 1.5 million people.




They were painted as usurers because it suited the struggling peasant class under a selfish nobility. It's easy to blame the Jews, but the Jews were not exactly left options. People don't always deserve a reputation.

Which seems more likely? The Jewish bankers tried milking money from peasants, despite the dangers to their safety (even though they kept to themselves and had little need for external finance)? Or the peasants accused their taxmen of usury to salvage the little money they had?
In some areas, particularly here in the Low Countries, they were already protected by law so go figure. They were no saints and the fact that they had to be protected by the city councils or the nobleman show that they hadn't made themselves particularly well liked.




‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel’ – Benjamin Netanyahu (not the greatest guy, but I agree with what he said)
I think the reality is that when they lay down their weapons, Israel will mow them all down.



Genocide? No. But some extent, yes, many right winged Israelis lack empathy.
Which always leads to genocide as the maps show you.

Szegedist
04-29-2013, 04:06 PM
The government has banned every demonstration that violates human dignity during the World Jewish Congress Budapest meeting said the head of the Prime Minister's Office János Lázár.

The prime minister ordered the Minister of Interior Sándor Pintér to ban all forms of demonstrations, which hurt the feelings of Jews and might be prejudicial to the guests attending the World Jewish Congress meeting or violates the dignity of the Hungarian Jewish community said Lázár at his Monday press conference.

The World Jewish Congress holds a three-day meeting in Budapest the next weekend and PM Viktor Orbán will attend the Sunday's opening ceremony. The event will be attended by five hundred representatives of Jewish organizations from around the world to discuss issues affecting the life of the global Jewish community; they discuss issues like the problem of the growth of "neo-Nazi parties” and the situation in the Middle East.

Prime Minister Orbán will also deliver a speech at the congress responding to those that slandering the country and accusing the government with antisemitism. It is highly unethical that those whose businesses are adversely affected by the government's economic policy try to influence government's policies by accusing it with anti-Semitism said Lázár.

The head of the Prime Minister's Office recalled that the the World Jewish Congress decided in January to hold its next congress in Budapest. Prior to this, the Federation of Jewish Communities in Hungary (MAZSIHISZ) Peter Feldmájer personally informed the prime minister about the decision in December last year. The prime minister replied that the Hungarian cabinet welcomed the decision.

After that Viktor Orbán received a formal invitation letter from the President of the WJC, Ronald S. Lauder and Peter Feldmájer thanking him for the possibility of letting the meeting be held in Budapest; then, they described the circumstances which led the World Jewish Congress to hold its next meeting in the Hungarian capital.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 04:10 PM
Quite interesting. By the sounds of it, the Netherlands treated the Jews well, and the Jews did the Netherlands a lot of good too.
Perhaps this is more of a reflection upon the Dutch than the Jews.
I think the underlying reasons are that the Jews brought their bankers and their merchants and thus their contacts and the Dutch still has good memories of what the Catholic Spanish had done here.. (which mustn't have been a particularly enjoyable experience for the people of those days)...




So it seems the Jews are capable of loyalty to their host nation. The King was good to the Jews, and the Jews were good to the king. Sounds pretty symbiotic.
That's actually a wrong example. William V (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_V,_Prince_of_Orange) was by no means well liked and he wasn't a King but a Stadtholder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadtholder). I can't blame you for the mistake: a lot of foreigners make it. Here is some background info about how the Dutch Republic actually functioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_and_Government_of_the_Netherlands_(1581%E 2%80%931795)

While the Jews (because he protected them against the grauw en gemeyn, the rabble of the lower classes.. and guess why ? ;)). William V loyalties were.. how should we say: non-existent. He ran off in 1795 (to London) and left the country to the invading French. Like Queen Wilhelmina would in 1940 when she and the government ran to London. Leaving the country to the Germans. Jumping ship must be a bit of a family tradition.

SkyBurn
04-29-2013, 04:13 PM
I don't think there are many Dutch that haven't heard of him. I think you would be mistaken there: Amsterdam was a huge concentration of the Jewish population in the Netherlands. From the top of my head but at the end of the 17th century Amsterdam already had 200.000 inhabitants. Tens of thousands were Jewish. The Netherlands as a country would have had no more than around 1.5 million people.

It's a tangential point being made here; I agree that the Jews and the Dutch worked well together. Refer to the above. If anything, it seems like the nature of the Jews in TN reflects positively above both parties rather than negatively on us.


In some areas, particularly here in the Low Countries, they were already protected by law so go figure. They were no saints and the fact that they had to be protected by the city councils or the nobleman show that they hadn't made themselves particularly well liked.

This is really just 'he said vs she said'. It's a pointless, cyclical argument, when there isn't enough proof to back us up. I guess we'll just have to go about believing what we want, but I doubt that we're such a hateful bunch, as can be shown by your own country.


I think the reality is that when they lay down their weapons, Israel will mow them all down.

I disagree. There would be no gain for Israel to do that; they would just lose US support. Sure, they take self defence a little far sometimes, but if the Palestinians grew calmer, so would the Jews. Just remember who is on the offense and defence in this picture.


Which always leads to genocide as the maps show you.

This is not a systematic extermination. It may seem like that to you, but that is not the case.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 04:19 PM
It's a tangential point being made here; I agree that the Jews and the Dutch worked well together. Refer to the above. If anything, it seems like the nature of the Jews in TN reflects positively above both parties rather than negatively on us.
They wanted security and the relative freedom, we wanted the trade and the money to fight for our independence. It worked well together. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That's why we and the Ottomans also had excellent relations. They hated the Spanish and we hated the Spanish so why not hate the Spanish together ?




This is really just 'he said vs she said'. It's a pointless, cyclical argument, when there isn't enough proof to back us up. I guess we'll just have to go about believing what we want, but I doubt that we're such a hateful bunch, as can be shown by your own country.
Well they didn't get rich out of thin air. They couldn't join guilds, they couldn't own land. Remains: trade and banking. Judaism does not have a full-stop ban on usury like Christianity had but allows for usury when done on non-Jews. The rest is just 1+1=2




I disagree. There would be no gain for Israel to do that; they would just lose US support. Sure, they take self defence a little far sometimes, but if the Palestinians grew calmer, so would the Jews. Just remember who is on the offense and defence in this picture.

Knowing the media and the interests that are at stake it would probably just be hushed up when it happens.



This is not a systematic extermination. It may seem like that to you, but that is not the case.
The thing is.. things are usually exactly what they seem to be.

Xenomorph
04-29-2013, 04:22 PM
In some areas, particularly here in the Low Countries, they were already protected by law so go figure. They were no saints and the fact that they had to be protected by the city councils or the nobleman show that they hadn't made themselves particularly well liked.

f course they were protected, as it served a dual purpose. It gave their appointed tax collectors official protection while ensuring that public sentiment rose against the Jews, not the nobles.

The history of the Jews in Europe is largely one of the elites pitting two set of people against each other to preserve their own power. The Jews and Christians shouldn't have been attacking each other, they should have gotten ride of their real enemies; the aristocracy and royal families.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 04:24 PM
f course they were protected, as it served a dual purpose. It gave their appointed tax collectors official protection while ensuring that public sentiment rose against the Jews, not the nobles.

The history of the Jews in Europe is largely one of the elites pitting two set of people against each other to preserve their own power. The Jews and Christians shouldn't have been attacking each other, they should have gotten ride of their real enemies; the aristocracy and royal families.
But we didn't. And today the same stuff is going on and on and on and on and on and the Jewish bankers seem to like it a lot: they make good money out of it. And so do the monarchs so everyone is happy. Except the people.

baraSYR
04-29-2013, 04:27 PM
You are arguing by the Aggressive mind by claiming the Palestinians are on the offense. If you are moral person you will answer me honestly. Was Mandila an aggressive rebel or a great revolutionist ? South Africa before Nilson mandila came to power was great developed country but Racist one. So, would you rather support civilized modern Isreal or the indigenous population in their struggle for their homeland ? Will you defeat your country if it's threatened by near enemy in the first place ( when the State of Isreal formed ) ?

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 04:29 PM
You are arguing by the Aggressive mind by claiming the Palestinians are on the offense. If you are moral person you will answer me honestly. Was Mandila an aggressive rebel or a great revolutionist ? South Africa before Nilson mandila came to power was great developed country but Racist one. So, would you rather support civilized modern Isreal or the indigenous population in their struggle for their homeland ? Will you defeat your country if it's threatened by near enemy in the first place ( when the State of Isreal formed ) ?
The difference between Mandela and the Palestinians is that the Zulu and Bantu tribes only arrived AFTER the Dutch and even English arrived. The Zulu only came along during the 19th century and were thus invaders that also hunted down the San (and still) who were the actual native South Africans and who supported the Apartheid Regime.

Windischer
04-29-2013, 04:29 PM
1. ad obsession with death for chimeric social concepts: retarded.
slovak writer božena slančíková-timrava wrote a novel called heroes (hrdinovia). it takes place during ww1. some men talk about how everybody must take arms and go fight for country, willing to die for "higher cause". the problem comes when these men are called to the army. they shit themselves.
this novel should be translated to more languages. evidently :D
am sure that men who died at somme or anywhere else didnt want to die, and if they could theyd piss at whole war and go home. dying for somebodys political success, reputation or just ego is one of the most retarded things ever invented by humanity.

2. ad "traitorous organizations" and 5th columns. i can start a world rusnak congress, rent a hall anywhere, go there and talk about anything. problem with that?
(un)fortunately i have neither organizational talent nor money. and am a bad live speaker.

3. taking loans and then complaining about paying back debts? hahah :D

4. its israel, ISRAEL, first A then E, not isreal.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 04:32 PM
3. taking loans and then complaining about paying back debts? hahah :D

4. its israel, ISRAEL, first A then E, not isreal.

1. People had to pay their taxes and that got them in debt. They wanted to buy land or buy a shop to make money and for that you needed credit. A trader would have needed to change money as the town down the road would have had a different currency and they would have charged a huge commission.

2. You also may want to look at the individual languages used by people. The AE combination is a bit peculiar in many languages. Hell so is the combination of an a and an e in any form. The very name would have been written in the various languages. In Dutch it would be Israël adj. Israëlisch. (f.i the Israeli army, het Israëlische leger or an Israeli passport, een Israëlisch paspoort) A citizen of that country would be an Israëliër. His wife would be an Israëlische (provided of course that she was a citizen). But for the ae combination in the Dutch language is rare.

Windischer
04-29-2013, 04:44 PM
1. People had to pay their taxes and that got them in debt. They wanted to buy land or buy a shop to make money and for that you needed credit. A trader would have needed to change money as the town down the road would have had a different currency and they would have charged a huge commission.

yes, thats how economy works. then why blaming those who provided credit? blame taxation.

thing with israel spelling was aimed at barasyr who constantly writes isreal instead of israel. its not that difficult to spell.

baraSYR
04-29-2013, 04:46 PM
yes, thats how economy works. then why blaming those who provided credit? blame taxation.

thing with israel spelling was aimed at barasyr who constantly writes isreal instead of israel. its not that difficult to spell.

I used to write it like that but thank you.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 04:48 PM
yes, thats how economy works. then why blaming those who provided credit? blame taxation.


That's incorrect: in Christian Mediaeval Europe usury was not allowed. The only ones that did it were the Jews (of course since their religious allow for it when done with non-Jews). So they got to keep most of the money.

Windischer
04-29-2013, 05:06 PM
practicing usury was generally allowed, but only under condition (jewishness). and it was practiced wide and far. it also worked well except when some debtors, unwilling to pay back, sought to get rid of creditors.

in rare cases when taxes were abnormally high and people couldnt afford to pay them, it was landlord (or state administrative) to blame, not creditors.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 05:08 PM
practicing usury was generally allowed, but only under condition (jewishness). and it was practiced wide and far. it also worked well except when some debtors, unwilling to pay back, sought to get rid of creditors.

in rare cases when taxes were abnormally high and people couldnt afford to pay them, it was landlord (or state administrative) to blame, not creditors.
It was allowed for Jews, yes. Not for Christians. And that's the big difference here. ;)

Usually those taxes would be high in times of famine and war when the nobles would have to pay off their debts to... guess who.

Xenomorph
04-29-2013, 05:57 PM
But we didn't. And today the same stuff is going on and on and on and on and on and the Jewish bankers seem to like it a lot: they make good money out of it. And so do the monarchs so everyone is happy. Except the people.

Big bankers make up a small percentage of the world's Jewish population. Most Jews are just average people like you and me, and suffer from the same economic distress and everyday problems.


It was allowed for Jews, yes. Not for Christians. And that's the big difference here. ;)

Usually those taxes would be high in times of famine and war when the nobles would have to pay off their debts to... guess who.

You have to look at it from a medieval perspective. In the heavily religious atmosphere of the period, Jews were allowed to practice usury because it was believed that they were hell-bound heathens that didn't need to worry about their sins like Christians did. From the point of view of the Church, letting Jews loan money on interest wasn't giving them vast privileges, it was throwing a bone to a supposedly damned people.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 06:00 PM
Big bankers make up a small percentage of the world's Jewish population. Most Jews are just average people like you and me, and suffer from the same economic distress and everyday problems.
Then why don't they just man up to it and admit and it work with the others in .. correcting the problem ? No instead they just claim it's "antisemitism" and "a conspiracy".



You have to look at it from a medieval perspective. In the heavily religious atmosphere of the period, Jews were allowed to practice usury because it was believed that they were hell-bound heathens that didn't need to worry about their sins like Christians did. From the point of view of the Church, letting Jews loan money on interest wasn't giving them vast privileges, it was throwing a bone to a supposedly damned people.
True. But in the meanwhile they victimised good Christians.

Xenomorph
04-29-2013, 06:23 PM
Then why don't they just man up to it and admit and it work with the others in .. correcting the problem ? No instead they just claim it's "antisemitism" and "a conspiracy".

There are unscrupulous bankers everywhere, yet no one uses their ethnicity to attack them. Why should the Jews get different treatment?


True. But in the meanwhile they victimised good Christians.

It was the Middle Ages; it was an unbelievably cutthroat period where were screwing each other all the time. That doesn't make it right, but the Jews were no worse than any other group. Also, considering the fact that Jews were often banned from engaging in other professions, they were very limited in how they could provide for themselves, and had to make do with what they could.

The Lawspeaker
04-29-2013, 06:26 PM
There are unscrupulous bankers everywhere, yet no one uses their ethnicity to attack them. Why should the Jews get different treatment?
Because they are worst of the lot ?




It was the Middle Ages; it was an unbelievably cutthroat period where were screwing each other all the time. That doesn't make it right, but the Jews were no worse than any other group. Also, considering the fact that Jews were often banned from engaging in other professions, they were very limited in how they could provide for themselves, and had to make do with what they could.
Well I don't believe that they weren't any worse. They made a good killing out of profiting of their Christian hosts and they continue to do so today. I think they actually really enjoy their position and the knowledge that other Jews will not close ranks with non-Jews and will actually try to weaken non-Jews makes it even better for them because their own people will not correct them but have instead have become willing accomplices.

robar
04-30-2013, 12:17 AM
It was the Middle Ages; it was an unbelievably cutthroat period where were screwing each other all the time. That doesn't make it right, but the Jews were no worse than any other group. Also, considering the fact that Jews were often banned....

Golden Bill(firs constitution like thing) of Hungary.
14.point

Hogy izmaeliták és zsidók tisztséget ne viseljenek. Pénzváltó, kamara-ispánok, só-kamarások és vámosok, országunkbéli nemesek legyenek. Izmaeliták és zsidók ne lehessenek.
means:
Nor Jew or Ismaelite, can hold a public position (job). The Nobles of the Chamber, those working with monies, tax collectors and toll-keepers may only be Hungarian noblemen.

Szegedist
05-01-2013, 05:44 PM
http://www.maka.co.il/landingDynamic2.aspx?id=62&ref_id=223857

The Lawspeaker
05-01-2013, 05:44 PM
http://www.maka.co.il/landingDynamic2.aspx?id=62&ref_id=223857
What is that ?

Szegedist
05-01-2013, 05:47 PM
What is that ?

Job finding website for Israelis who want to move to Hungary :laugh:

The Lawspeaker
05-01-2013, 05:48 PM
Job finding website for Israelis who want to move to Hungary :laugh:
Haha. Well I don't think they would be so welcome there. I think we should put up a visa wall against Israeli's that attempt to move to Europe.

Szegedist
05-01-2013, 05:52 PM
But I thought, Hungary is so antisemitic, that Jews get hanged by their circumcised dicks off the Chain Bridge every day...??? At leas that is the picture they paint. And now this? :laugh:

Philo
05-01-2013, 06:02 PM
That does'nt prove anything.
Sblast knows names for logical fallacies more than I do. But that was a huge fallacy on your side.