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Creeping Death
09-04-2009, 07:56 AM
British National Party Forced To Admit Non-Whites (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6820847.ece)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00609/0000bnp_385x185_609133a.jpg
Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, blamed Britain?s 'undemocratic Orwellian equality laws' for the change

Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, blamed Britain?s 'undemocratic Orwellian equality laws' for the change Fiona Hamilton, London Correspondent

The British National Party is poised to give up its whites-only membership policy after a legal challenge accusing it of racial discrimination.

Nick Griffin, leader of the far-right party, indicated yesterday that the BNP would accept members of different ethnicities for the first time, blaming Britain’s “undemocratic Orwellian equality laws”.

In a statement published on the BNP’s website, Mr Griffin said that the party would have to adapt or die, even though amending its constitution would “stick in the craw of all dedicated nationalists”. The party is considering the change in light of an injunction being sought by the Equality and Human Rights Commission, which claims that the BNP’s membership rules breach the Race Relations Act.

Any alteration to policy would mark a significant moment for the party, which since it was founded in 1982 has only accepted white members.

His push to open up membership is likely to cause factional rows within the BNP, with the party’s most conservative elements resisting such change.

The BNP currently restricts its membership to “indigenous Caucasians”, which it defines broadly as Celts and Anglo-Saxons.
I cant blame Nick Griffin he is bound by law, some years ago I knew this angle on the BNP would be attempted. Doesn't matter not many coloureds will likely join anyway.

As a final thought England seems to be the only land that does not have protections for indigenous peoples, thats a legal angle the BNP could hit back with.

Phlegethon
09-04-2009, 08:16 AM
Even back in the 80s the BNP had members which not only I would consider as clearly not white. So why worry now? I doubt they'd be taken over, and so far the whities in the party have done a good job of shooting their own feet, anyway.

British and Proud
09-04-2009, 09:47 AM
This is an interesting party:

http://www.ligaliparty.org.uk/


The Aims of the Party are:

1. To work in partnership with individuals and organisations for a fair and just society which gives Africans in Britain an equal chance to work, learn and live free from negative discrimination and covert and overt prejudice based on gender, race, culture and/or class. As such, we seek to;

-Increase employment opportunities for African people

-Increase access to higher education for African people

-Increase access to quality health care for African people

-Reduce civil rights violations by police and other associated central and local government institution on African people.

Poltergeist
09-04-2009, 10:01 AM
And what's their definion of "white" anyway? I heard they had a councilor of Turkish origin already several years ago.

British and Proud
09-04-2009, 10:06 AM
And what's their definion of "white" anyway? I heard they had a councilor of Turkish origin already several years ago.

They still have, there's a picture of him on my blog (http://unrepentantbritishnationalist.blogspot.com/2009/09/bnp-has-to-adapt-or-die.html). He is, or was, head of the Ethnic Liaison Committee.

This is interesting from Martin Wingfield (http://martinwingfield.blogspot.com/2009/09/let-rajinder-have-honour.html):


RAJINDER Singh had a regular a column in Freedom, the British National Party's newspaper, back in 2003 where he wrote about the dangers facing countries with a growing Muslim population.

In 2005 Rajinder appeared on the British National Party's television election broadcast, again warning on the consequences of our Government aiding and abetting the expansion of Islam within Britain.

Over the last seven years, Raj has spoken at numerous BNP branch meetings where he has been well received as he recounted the terrible events in India after partition and how his family suffered at the hands of Islamic fundamentalists.

Nick Griffin said yesterday that the BNP must adapt or die, and he's right.

The Labour Government and Trevor Phillips intend to "put the BNP out of politics" with a series of County Court actions that will bankrupt the Party if we contest them. If we don't contest them, the Party will be closed down and declared "illegal".

That means that we will be unable to contest elections and, for me, a near lifetime of campaigning will have all been for nothing.

I first wrote off to express my support for the National Front in 1974. Two years later I joined the Party. In 1977 I became an official of the Party and in 1979 started editing the Nationalist newspaper Sussex Front.

In 1983 I became a full time worker and editor of NF News. In 1985 I became a political prisoner, after refusing to pay a fine imposed for an alleged breach of this country's race relations laws (see blog header).

In 2002 I became editor of Freedom and produced 80 issues before becoming Nick and Andrew's communication officer in July of this year.

With this political background, I believe I have the right to express my opinion on the future of the British National Party.

I say adapt and survive and give the brave and loyal Rajinder Singh the honour of becoming the first ethnic minority member of the BNP.

Fortis in Arduis
09-04-2009, 11:12 AM
If the party remains true to the core objectives and principles, the addition of some more sincere non-indigenous members will be wonderful in purging any nutzis who may remain. Illogical irrational people are a terrible liability for the party.

Loki
09-04-2009, 11:24 AM
If the party remains true to the core objectives and principles, the addition of some more sincere non-indigenous members will be wonderful in purging any nutzis who may remain. Illogical irrational people are a terrible liability for the party.

Yes indeed. I suppose political parties are like internet forums in that regard ... the fewer nutzis, the better. ;)

British and Proud
09-04-2009, 12:06 PM
If the party remains true to the core objectives and principles, the addition of some more sincere non-indigenous members will be wonderful in purging any nutzis who may remain. Illogical irrational people are a terrible liability for the party.

I cautiously welcome this change, though hate the fact it has been imposed upon us! This is what I wrote on The Green Arrow's forum:


Have you seen SF recently? I think we will divest ourselves of a LOT of nutzis by doing this. However, I AM afraid of allowing the BNP to become a civic nationalist party. THAT CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN!

Fortis in Arduis
09-04-2009, 01:05 PM
I cautiously welcome this change, though hate the fact it has been imposed upon us! This is what I wrote on The Green Arrow's forum:

Right. Yes.

The Doomfronters are suggesting that the BNP just destroy itself.

However, the living folk deity of logical rational thought hath spake:


Seeing as we are throwing open the debate to allow people to give us their ideas on how we should amend the constitution this is my idea ;


1) Write to the EHRC saying that we intend to re-define what we mean by 'white' in our constitution.

We state that the BNP and its constitution do not discriminate on the grounds of race.

We state that anyone of any race, skin colour or ethnicity can apply to be a member of the party and to be a member of the party.

We state that we intend to adopt the exact same definition of White as that used to define 'Black' by the Black Police Officers Association in their constitution, which is non-racial definition of Race and not based on skin colour and is therefore 100 % legal ;

http://www.nbpa.co.uk/images/constitution_ratified_29_10_08_version_2.pdf

1.3 The definition of "Black" is one that emphasises the common experience and
determination of people of African, African-Caribbean, Middle-Eastern, Asian or
Asian sub-continent origin to oppose the effects of racism and victimisation

Our definition is ;


The definition of "White" is one that emphasises the common experience and determination of people of British and European origin to oppose the effects of racism and victimisation.

"The British National Party welcomes as members of the BNP all those British Citizens whose concern is solely the national interest and the good of the British people and the British nation. Members of the BNP are dedicated to the preservation and promotion of British culture, the defence of the British way of life, British traditions and the ancestral heritage of the British Isles and the preservation and promotion of the rights and interests of the Indigenous British people.

All members expressly affirm the Party's political objective of repealing all anti-discrimination legislation and also affirm their support support for restricting British citizenship to those who are British as defined by Jus Sanguinius and to those who are fully assimilated British citizens with naturalised citizenship status based on Jus Solis who are prepared to work for the aims and objectives of the BNP. "


If the Equality Commission decides that our new definition of 'white' is unlawful then they have to issue legal proceedings against the National Black Police Officers Association and all those hundreds of ethnic groups and charities.

They will not do this, as to do this means the Equality Commission has to declare war on the entire multi-cultural system and all those ethno-specific group and organisations that it has allowed to operate with impunity in our society.

We do not have to change the constitution in relation to the BNP representing the indigenous people of Britain and Europe, as the clarification as stated above makes it clear that whilst we represent the interests of the indigenous British people, that does not mean we DIRECTLY discriminate on the grounds of race in our membership criteria or that our definition of white means we INDIRECTLY discriminate on the grounds of race or skin colour.

Those OF ALL RACES who join the BNP therefore join the party in order to represent and promote the interests of the indigenous British people, assimilated British citizens and also to defend and promote British culture.



2) We impose a five year probationary membership policy where you only get full membership after 5 years continuous membership. We allow the existing members to retain their existing full membership rights, but all new members of all races who seek to join will face a five year probationary period as Associate Members before they are allowed to claim Full Membership Status. This will ensure that new Associate Members do not have voting rights until they have been a member for five years, and that they will have to pay their membership fees for five years.

Then once they have become Full members they then have to wait two years to become a Voting Member.

This constitutional change is required in order to protect the Health and Safety of BNP members from infiltrators and agent provocatuers who may wish to join the BNP in order to cause legal problems for the party or who may wish to join the party in order to identify BNP members and pass that information on to organisations or individuals who may wish to inflict physical violence upon BNP members. Such a provision is legally authorised under the dicta of Redfearn v Serco which allows an organisation or association to impose such requirements on membership in order to protect the rights of its members.

This will allow us to screen all the people coming in to the party and remove all those idiots from groups such as Operation Black Vote who may try to join the party to cause problems.

Faced with the reality that they will be forced to fund the BNP for five years before they can be in a position to accrue any full membership rights means we ensure that no one of bad faith will join. Those that do wish to pay membership fees for five years and then when they are Full Members try and cause problems in the party can be removed on any grounds we wish - other than racial grounds of skin colour grounds etc - and that way we avoid any legal liabities when they are kicked out.

4) As part of the probationary membership clarifications to the constitution we state the following in the constitution ;


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*All Associate members and Full Members that join the BNP agree not to invoke, utilise, or seek to base any legal actions upon in regard to any of the following legislation or legal provisions, or any associated case law claims in the civil courts, against any another party members, officers of the party, agents of the party or against the Party itself.

Breach of this term at any time during Associate Membership and Full Membership of the party will result in the immediate termination of membership and expulsion from the Party with no right of appeal to any internal party disciplinary review proceedings ;

• the Race Relations Act 1976 and all amendents and case law;
• the Employment Equality (Religion or Belief) Regulations 2003;
• the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003;
• the Employment Equality (Age) Regulations 2006;
• the Equality Act 2006 ;
• the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007
. the Equality Bill ( or Act when passed into law ) 2009.
. The Human Rights Act 1998
. The ECHR and case law
. EU laws and case law

This is not an exhaustive list. Any other UK, European or International laws or legislation that the Party Chairman, in consultation with the Advisory Council, believes that damage, or could damage, the internal functions and political mission of the BNP or that may threaten the Health and Safety of members of the British National Party may be added to the list.

On the grounds of protecting the Health and Safety of members of the BNP from physical attack by those who may have joined the party solely to gain access to confidential information and data details on the identities of members or access to meetings where party members may congregate, as defined under the dicta of the Redfearn V Serco case the security department of the BNP will be authorised to refuse access to any Associate Member of the party to any party meetings, party events or the RWB unless ordered by their organiser or a senior party official to allow them entrance to any party meeting, event or the RWB festival.

Appointed regional organisers of the party, and senior officers of the party, will be given the sole authority to invite Associate Members to meetings solely at their discretion.

Associate Membership status will not include a right to attend party meetings, party functions or party events such as the RWB unless invited by an duly appointed officer of the party.

It will be the duty of appointed organisers to screen all new Associate Members and ensure that they are bona fide applicants for membership of the party. Those Associate Members that any organiser feels are not bona fide applicants for membership will be notified to head office and their activities monitored. After five years of membership if they have not caused the party any problems then all records on their possible problem status will be destroyed once they become Full Members of the party.

Associate Members will be required to disclose previous political memberships, affiliation or membership of the following organisations classified as hostile to the BNP ;

Operation Black Vote
The Labour Party
Conservative Party
UKIP
Socialist Workers Party
Anti-Fascist Action
Searchlight
Hope Not Hate
Unite Against Fascism
The Liberal Democrats
The Green Party

This is not an exhaustive list. Other hostile groups may be added to the list as and when they are discovered by the Chairman and the Advisory Council. Any organisations who constitutions or activities have been directed at causing problems for the BNP, or who are hostile to the aims and objectives of the BNP are included within this list. Failure to disclose previous membership of, or affiliation with, those organisations or groups will result in immediate expulsion from the BNP.


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This should do the job nicely I believe.

http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/09/my-plans-for-new-constitution.html

Creeping Death
09-04-2009, 06:41 PM
Even back in the 80s the BNP had members which not only I would consider as clearly not white. So why worry now? I doubt they'd be taken over, and so far the whities in the party have done a good job of shooting their own feet, anyway.I read last year there was a Jew running as an MP for the BNP, I dont know much about them.
This is an interesting party:So why didnt this Nick Griffin use this as a fight back?

If the party remains true to the core objectives and principles, the addition of some more sincere non-indigenous members will be wonderful in purging any nutzis who may remain. Illogical irrational people are a terrible liability for the party.I dont think the BNP really has any feet, the 'Illogical irrational people' are found in all the main parties, it is just that media highlights the ones in the BNP, its part of there propaganda of muddying the waters.

Fortis in Arduis
09-04-2009, 06:50 PM
I read last year there was a Jew running as an MP for the BNP, I dont know much about them.

Do you mean Pat Richardson who is a councillor?


So why didnt this Nick Griffin use this as a fight back?

The http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/ are bringing this case against the BNP to waste the BNP's money and bankrupt the party. The best attack is defence.

The real world is not an internet forum, and using that as a defence would be useless.


I dont think the BNP really has any feet, the 'Illogical irrational people' are found in all the main parties, it is just that media highlights the ones in the BNP, its part of there propaganda of muddying the waters.

Yes, they are found in all parties and if you look at this little blog you will see that perhaps the BNP has few http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/

What about feet, and how does that connect to the second part of your sentence?
:rolleyes:

British and Proud
09-05-2009, 03:15 PM
Cautiously Optimistic (http://unrepentantbritishnationalist.blogspot.com/2009/09/cautiously-optimistic.html)

I have been mulling over the idea of the proposed change to our membership criteria, which would cease to restrict membership to indigenous British peoples, and I have to say I am cautiously optimistic for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, it will make it much harder for the media to besmirch us as a racist party. Of course they will try, but as Nick Griffin said, in doing this they have "broken the very stick with which they have beaten us for so long". Even our political adversaries have admitted as much, the following is from Pickled Politics which markets itself as a current affairs website 'for a progressive generation':


EHRC v BNP on all-white membership is an own-goal

by Sunny on 4th September, 2009 at 2:25 am


It’s occurred to other people as well, but I’m really annoyed now that the EHRC didn’t think through their case against the BNP because of it’s whites-only membership rules.

BNP must adapt membership rules or be crushed, says Nick Griffin. You see, he’s out-manoeuvred the EHRC. To his own party he can now say: ‘look guys, I’m sorry but the law is forcing us to change our membership policy‘, knowing that they would not have allowed it otherwise.

But Griffin knows there aren’t going to be that many ethnic minorities who’ll join the BNP. But changing the rules takes away the most obvious and potent symbols that the BNP remains a racist party. If the rules change and Griffin goes on television and declares that he’s not racist, merely standing up for British culture, what can journalists obviously point at to illustrate the party’s racism?

Secondly, it will help the party divest itself of the few remaining crypto-fascists that unfortunately continue to blight the party. In my three years as a member, I have only ever encountered one such individual, but that was one too many. The media latch onto these morons, and publicise their idiocy, which of course helps to stigmatise the party. However many have said they'd rather the party bankrupts itself in court fighting for the right to keep the existing membership policy.

Of course, I have worried that this is the first step to transforming the BNP into a civic nationalist party, however I think this is unlikely. It would simply be unpalatable for too many of our senior members to accept. British democracy already has a civic nationalist party in UKIP, and the Tories were traditionally regarded as such, too. What distinguishes the British National Party from all others is that we are an ethno-nationalist party, we advocate for the indigenous British people. That is our primary function, and I do not see the likes of Nick Griffin, Andrew Brons, Martin Wingfield, Simon Darby, Arthur Kemp, et al, ever wishing to deviate from our core objectives. Arthur Kemp is author of March of the Titans (a history of the white race) and Martin Wingfield served three months in Pentonville rather than paying a £1,500 fine. In his own words:


"I wasn't 'imprisioned', I was fined £1,500. I refused to pay this on a matter of principle. It was my personal choice to serve three months in Pentonville Prison back in the 1980s in protest at our draconian race relations laws."

I really don't envisage many applications for membership from the ethnic minorities, and any that do apply will help reduce the party's stigma, and thus broaden our appeal.

masty
09-05-2009, 06:11 PM
The http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/ are bringing this case against the BNP to waste the BNP's money and bankrupt the party.I didn't think of the financial implications of it until then, valid point. This is yet another attack on the B.N.P. just from a different angle. The recent Euro elections really pissed-off the establishment.

Creeping Death
09-05-2009, 08:25 PM
Do you mean Pat Richardson who is a councillor?
I dont know I am at the other end of the globe mate.

The http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/ are bringing this case against the BNP to waste the BNP's money and bankrupt the party. The best attack is defence.Agreed, I reckon what will happen is some leftwingers will attempt to get a lot of blacks and browns to join the BNP as in a demonstration, for a desired outcome.

Fortis in Arduis
09-05-2009, 09:21 PM
I dont know I am at the other end of the globe mate.
Agreed, I reckon what will happen is some leftwingers will attempt to get a lot of blacks and browns to join the BNP as in a demonstration, for a desired outcome.

Which desired outcome?


If, as the reds keep suggesting, every single non-white person of voting age where to join the BNP the net effect would be an increase in BNP income by £30 for each new member, say £60 million conservatively.

None of these probationary members would be entitled to vote in General Meetings for two years as per the present constitution, or seven years if my proposed plan is adopted, after which period the BNP could simply wind itself up, and re-constitute itself as a new party as the Vlaams Blok did a few years ago.

And we get to keep all the dosh - and then re-constitute the party again and again etc etc

http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/

They can hunker down on that prickly pineapple, and go up and down, up and downnn...

http://exurbanpedestrian.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/pineapple2.jpg

Skandi
09-05-2009, 10:39 PM
So what if they join? It's just more membership fees, they are not going to become active and if they try to disrupt things then they will just be kicked out, same as any other member.

Fortis in Arduis
09-06-2009, 12:29 AM
I dont know I am at the other end of the globe mate.

May I suggest that you browse the BNP's website?

You seem to take enough of an interest in republican bollox. :rolleyes:

This might be interesting reading for you:

www.borderland.co.uk
:coffee:

Skandi
09-06-2009, 12:56 AM
May I suggest that you browse the BNP's website?



When the damn thing is working :(

Creeping Death
09-06-2009, 01:49 AM
Which desired outcome?
Once you have a few in their membership ranks they will start requesting policy changes on immigration, etc as racist, and then it will be back to court etc, etc. Just a sabotage tactic.

They can hunker down on that prickly pineapple, and go up and down, up and downnn...Good luck, but as I said above it only takes a few dedicated troublemakers. Somehow this economic crisis will be the decider, I have a feeling the global situation will denigrate and being non-European in Europe will take on a very different meaning.
So what if they join? It's just more membership fees, they are not going to become active and if they try to disrupt things then they will just be kicked out, same as any other member.You know your not just a good looking Red Head Thyrheim;)

May I suggest that you browse the BNP's website?
I will actually I should take a more keen interest as the BNP is making considerable head way.

You seem to take enough of an interest in republican bollox. :rolleyes:
Ill leave that to Dad and Mum, Im sick of Republicanism ;)

This might be interesting reading for you:

www.borderland.co.uk
:coffee:
Thanks and in return here is one I think you and Thyrheim maybe interested in.
Majority Rights (http://majorityrights.com/)

Poltergeist
09-06-2009, 01:51 AM
Would they admit Brian Fooley? I doubt it. He is probably non-white, strong aboriginal admixture.

Liffrea
09-08-2009, 01:43 PM
There are many third and second generation immigrants sick of immigration and, like it or not, non-whites now have clout when it comes to the vote, I would rather have them voting for a pro-British party than Lib-Lab-Con, we don’t live in 1930’s Britain anymore, we have to play the cards we have.

Atlas
09-09-2009, 07:54 PM
We had a similar thread on Phora some weeks ago with a misleading title such as "Brad Griffin wants a non-white UK" my response was something like most leaders of nowadays Nationalist European parties have gave up the idea of a White-only Europe. What can we do ? I don't believe in race wars even in a vague future, we'll have to see by the birthrate by then we better hurry up.

Fortis in Arduis
09-10-2009, 05:04 AM
There are many third and second generation immigrants sick of immigration and, like it or not, non-whites now have clout when it comes to the vote, I would rather have them voting for a pro-British party than Lib-Lab-Con, we don’t live in 1930’s Britain anymore, we have to play the cards we have.

Um, as long as the party exists to defend the interests of the indigenous British, you mean.

Liffrea
09-10-2009, 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis
Um, as long as the party exists to defend the interests of the indigenous British, you mean.

Well that goes without saying, as far as I know the BNP aren’t being forced to alter their policies just their membership criteria. If a non-white joins the BNP then they are joining a party that believes Britain should be majority white and a party that believes in “voluntary” repatriation and a party that actively campaign for whites (no need to beat around the bush with “indigenous” the BNP accept Poles, Germans, Dutch, French etc who aren’t “indigenous” to Britain, they are a white rights party).

My statement was an acceptance of fact, we’re not going to see a 100% white Britain, people will support an end to immigration, they will even support some level of repatriation, certainly of illegals, foreign criminals and “asylum” seekers. They won’t support kicking out Mr Singh the shop owner or Leroy the black dude you share a pint with after work, nor will they support you kicking out Leroy and his white wife and mixed race kids.

I think Simon Darby had it right when he said it’s the difference between having a China Town in London and London becoming China Town, I think that’s how many British see it.

Cato
09-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Quite honestly, why is this news? If there are non-whites in the UK that feel the same way that the current white membership of the BNP feels, more power to the BNP if it can create a larger voting base to become a truly national movement of fed-up citizens.