Norwegian prison

[Ariets]

I came here just for a second. Look what is going from tax-payers money in Norway!


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http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2008/02/norwegian-prison.html

[Falkata]

holy shit! I payed money for worse hotels:eek:

[SuuT]

Sickening, yes?

My dormitory accomodations in college were more meager.

[Barreldriver]

I'm going to prison! IN NORWAY! :D

[Grumpy Cat]

I'm with SuuT. My dorm in university wasn't nearly as nice as this Norwegian prison.

[Loki]

What do I have to do to get a prison sentence in Norway? :coffee:

[ikki]

this is something natural in a homogenic population, heterogenic ones whre fear, hate and mistrust rules... such "disgusts". Why treat your neighbour, friend and familymember badly?

[Absinthe]

What do I have to do to get a prison sentence in Norway? :coffee:
Kill a black metal band member :p

[Ariets]

I'm going to prison! IN NORWAY! :D
Well if I ever become homeless or something:D I'll travel to norway for a very sure to make some mess around :D

[ikki]

What do I have to do to get a prison sentence in Norway? :coffee:

Better start with traffic tickets and then a few dozen beatings and other antisocial behaviur before doing the actual crime: bankrobbery or such. Otherwise it would be a suspended sentence. :D

[lei.talk]

arson (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=62969#post62969)?

[ikki]

arson (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=62969#post62969)?

That just qualified him for non-suspended jailtime for the murder of his "friend".

[Loddfafner]

What do I have to do to get a prison sentence in Norway? :coffee:

Steal a Munch.... if there are any left.

[Atlas]

I'm not so surprised, scandinavians are known to be very civilized, yeah looking at that rather spend time in such a jail than in a mexican one.

[Psychonaut]

All five of the Army barracks that I've been put up in were far worse than these. :mad:

[Pino]

why do people constantly rant on about prison?

With the amount of patriots I know in prison (i've been inside myself) I'm glad they dont live in torture camps.

If our struggle is to succeed it's going to take alot more people going to prison.

[Sol Invictus]

That's a minimum-security prison (obviously.. look at the tools they are given).. we have tons of Provincial Offender-minimum security jails like that all over my city. There's no way a Federal Offender would be able to get in jails like that. It's just a shame that our Offenders (period) get that sort of treatment when we have law-abiding people on the streets who don't even know where their next meal is coming from get treated less than this. It looks like a country-club! It almost makes someone want to break the law.

[Grumpy Cat]

That's a minimum-security prison (obviously.. look at the tools they are given).. we have tons of Provincial Offender-minimum security jails like that all over my city. There's no way a Federal Offender would be able to get in jails like that. It's just a shame that our Offenders (period) get that sort of treatment when we have law-abiding people on the streets who don't even know where their next meal is coming from get treated less than this. It looks like a country-club! It almost makes someone want to break the law.

Well, I know of some street people in Halifax, NS who commit crimes when it starts to get cold so that they will have a warm place to stay in the winter (jail).

[Phlegethon]

Kill a black metal band member :p

But Vargieboy got sentenced for making criminally bad music, didn't he?

[Sol Invictus]

Well, I know of some street people in Halifax, NS who commit crimes when it starts to get cold so that they will have a warm place to stay in the winter (jail).

No kidding? I don't know if that's so smart since there's alternatives, like homeless shelters, but given the state that alot of them are in on the East coast I don't know if I could blame them, really. Quebec City, Toronto, and even Montreal have horrible shelters full of criminals and drug addicts, and I've been told the staff treats the people there like garbage... So I don't think I am suprised..

[Loki]

All five of the Army barracks that I've been put up in were far worse than these. :mad:

What you needed was a bit of Scandinavian socialism. :thumb001:

[Pino]

That's a minimum-security prison (obviously.. look at the tools they are given).. we have tons of Provincial Offender-minimum security jails like that all over my city. There's no way a Federal Offender would be able to get in jails like that. It's just a shame that our Offenders (period) get that sort of treatment when we have law-abiding people on the streets who don't even know where their next meal is coming from get treated less than this. It looks like a country-club! It almost makes someone want to break the law.

Law-abiding people? You mean the people who would go along with the government even if they brought out laws which forbid them to breath too many times in a single minute.

I'm sorry for being a slave to the laws the liberal totalatarian government brings out, do you want to arrest me?

I've recently just come out from doing 4 months inside for giving a Communist a kicking, do you think I should be in one of these federal prisons you speak of?

Anybody who says prison is the easy life has either never been inside or is institutionalized.

[Sol Invictus]

Law-abiding people? You mean the people who would go along with the government even if they brought out laws which forbid them to breath too many times in a single minute.

I don't like the direction that laws are going in myself, and I've been quite outspoken about alot of them, especially when it deals with non-violent protesting and non-compliance.


I'm sorry for being a slave to the laws the liberal totalatarian government brings out, do you want to arrest me?

Speak your mind brother, say what you want, anywhere you want. It's our rights and duties as citizens to do so.


I've recently just come out from doing 4 months inside for giving a Communist a kicking, do you think I should be in one of these federal prisons you speak of?

If you're a violent guy and a danger to your community then yes, you should be in jail, and you deserve to be in jail if you assaulted somebody without proper cause. There's no new law out there in any western country that allows someone to deliberately commit an assault on anyone.

[Murphy]

I've recently just come out from doing 4 months inside for giving a Communist a kicking, do you think I should be in one of these federal prisons you speak of?

Do you think because you gave a "Commie" a "good kicking" you'll get any respect? You belong in goal as far as I am concerned if you are a violent man and a threat to society.


Anybody who says prison is the easy life has either never been inside or is institutionalized.

I don't think prison should be an easy life. But if you think prison is hard now a days, then I can recommend you some good books... 20 years ago you wouldn't have lasted 4 hours never mind 4 months.

Regards,
Eóin.

P.S. I would rather be a slave to a Liberal government than a National Socialist government.

[Sol Invictus]

P.S. I would rather be a slave to a Liberal government than a National Socialist government.

Bang on with that one. The sort of tyranny he speaks of couldn't hold a candle to the totalitarianism and oppression that a NS or Communist regime would bring in.. Anyone who says that's easy doesn't know history..

[Psychonaut]

What you needed was a bit of Scandinavian socialism. :thumb001:

Is there any way to make this smiley any bigger? :rolleyes2: :D

[Sol Invictus]

Is there any way to make this smiley any bigger? :rolleyes2: :D

Give it viagra dude. :wink

[Germanicus]

[QUOTE=Éireannach;95459]Do you think because you gave a "Commie" a "good kicking" you'll get any respect? You belong in goal as far as I am concerned if you are a violent man and a threat to society.



I don't think prison should be an easy life. But if you think prison is hard now a days, then I can recommend you some good books... 20 years ago you wouldn't have lasted 4 hours never mind 4 months.

Regards,
Eóin.


The bottom line is this.... you are sent to prison, and for that you lose your freedom, the loss of freedom is a punishment that i would not like to endure.
Some people cross that line, others with more sense do not.
Besides, giving a commie a good kicking is apparently a crime these days so you deserved it....:)

[Loki]

Is there any way to make this smiley any bigger? :rolleyes2: :D

http://www.pointblue.net/x100/megaroll.jpg

[Brynhild]

Law-abiding people? You mean the people who would go along with the government even if they brought out laws which forbid them to breath too many times in a single minute.

I'm sorry for being a slave to the laws the liberal totalatarian government brings out, do you want to arrest me?

I've recently just come out from doing 4 months inside for giving a Communist a kicking, do you think I should be in one of these federal prisons you speak of?

Anybody who says prison is the easy life has either never been inside or is institutionalized.

Once upon a time, people like you would've been hung for lesser crimes committed. Think yourself lucky that you're still alive and having had the taxpayers look after you. And why should you have been looked after? You committed a violent crime. On the other hand, hard labour was served for those not sentenced to death, like chain gangs when you were literally tied to another prisoner and actually worked to serve your time!

I'd rather not do time at all and thankfully, I haven't. The point of this thread in the first place is obviously how well looked after prisoners are these days - and not just Norway!

[Murphy]

While it is obvious that it is a minimum-security facility, no criminal should be held in such comfort. Prison is after all a punishment and I don't mind telling you I would trade their lodgings for my own any day. Not to mention the risk such low-security facilities pose to society.

[Sol Invictus]

I tend to agree (minus the trading spaces bit) but I don't think someone who's committed excessive traffic violations, or someone whose committed a public mischief offense over $5, 000 dollars deserves to be next to someone who has just beat the crap out of his wife, or some other indictable offense, in a crap prison gulag. I don't really like it that it's that comfortable , even if it is for low-risk/ minor offenders, but I can kind of understand when I think about it.. At least the Correctional Officers are safe too..

LOL

[Murphy]

I tend to agree (minus the trading spaces bit) but I don't think someone who's committed excessive traffic violations, or someone whose committed a public mischief offense over $5, 000 dollars deserves to be next to someone who has just beat the crap out of his wife, or some other indictable offense, in a crap prison gulag. I don't really like it that it's that comfortable , even if it is for low-risk/ minor offenders, but I can kind of understand when I think about it.. At least the Correctional Officers are safe too..

LOL

Perhaps they will remember to pay their parking fines next time around ;). However I do understand where you are coming from I just do not think criminals should be given such treatment when for example tax payers money could be going to helping children who are rescued from abusive homes or into national health care but even then we cannot trust the government not to blow the cash anyway!

[Absinthe]

Well to play the devil's advocate... :o

Think about this:

You commit a crime, and you are sent to jail.

In case (a) you are sent to disgusting hellhole which violates all rules of hygiene and neglects the basic human rights, where drag trafficing is taking place, you get battered and raped by a gang of, say, Mexicans every day, you know you will be getting gang raped for the rest of your life (if you are not murdered, that is), if you don't comply to the "gang" rules and in the end, if you want to survive, you become one of those people yourself, and at the same time your heart is filled with bitterness and hatred for society, so when you are released, you will be 100 times worse a criminal than before you were put in prison.

In case (b) you are sent this Norwegian prison. You live in clean, civilized environment and you are treated with respect. You do community work in prison and you have the chance to get an education if you like, to visit the library and read some books (after all you have plenty of leisure), to surf the internet and know what's happening in the world, and at the same time you are monitored by experts of the social services and you receive psychological guidance.
And then you are released from prison, probably a much better person than before, having realized it was you that made a mistake and that society is not fucked up altogether.

Of course this does not hold for sociopaths (serial killers, rapists, etc) which, in my opinion, should receive the D.P. as they cannot, by definition, be rehabilitated.

But for people commiting minor crimes such as robbery, vandalism, fraud, etc... Maybe this would be a better idea? Just playing the devil's advocate :wink

[ikki]

In the silence of the lambs... iirc.. i think the idea was poposed, either society finds a use for such people (violent people sent to fight for democracy, lunatic disecters can work at a morgue etc), or they are plain out destroyed.

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by pino
Anybody who says prison is the easy life has either never been inside or is institutionalized.


LOCK ME UP AND I’LL THROW AWAY THE KEY, SAYS CONVICT WHO LOVES CUSHY LIFE IN JAIL

A PRISONER serving a life sentence for attempted murder has caused outrage after boasting about his luxurious life behind bars.

Allan Baker, 40, who has spent more than half his life in jail for a variety of offences, said he loved being there because it offered him almost unlimited freedom.

The violent criminal, an inmate at Elmley Prison on the Isle of Sheppey in Kent, said he was so happy he would turn down parole if it were offered.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/125996/Lock-me-up-and-I-ll-throw-away-the-key-says-convict-who-loves-cushy-life-in-jail

Today I had an interview at the job centre because I decided that sitting on my arse doing nothing isn’t a good use of my time so I enrolled at college with the aim of putting my practical experience in horticulture and conservation into actual qualifications with the aim of being more employable.

You would think, or at least I would, that would be considered a good move by an unemployed person to make, shows initiative, willingness etc, even more so when I’ve actually worked for nothing with the company I’ll be doing one of my courses with.

Not, according to the job centre, where I had to fill out several forms designed to find out if they could stop paying me job seekers allowance, is my course more than sixteen hours a week? Is it part time or full time? Will I be funded? When will it finish? Do I have any savings? Etc.

I remembered that story above, a criminal, someone who has attempted murder, who has tried to break one of the cardinal rules of civilised society has his course paid for him by the tax payer, how lovely is that? Makes you feel all warm inside doesn’t it? I think it might be bile.

I’m actually penalised more than someone who has attempted to murder another human being, to the state I’m more of a low life, least that’s the message I’m getting, and I’m not the only one, an interesting letter in the Daily Express today from a lady, who has a job, but couldn’t afford to do an OU course, yet she pays tax for scum bags in clink to gain degrees!

Next time I’m down the job centre and I get more paper work to fill in from a dumb ass jobs worth I’ll beat the bastard within an inch of his life and do porridge, that way I won’t have to pay for my course. I'm sure the job centre will be happy.

[Manifest Destiny]

Sickening, yes?

My dormitory accomodations in college were more meager.

I was just going to say something like that; that this prison looks nicer than many college dorms I've seen.

If I was a Norwegian taxpayer, I'd be pissed off.

[Beorn]

Looks to be the finest specimen of what a low level offenders prison should be. I was quite surprised (and glad) that a room was dedicated towards the family being able to meet up and act within some modicum of normality. It's all to evident that absence of father's contribute towards the next batch of low level offenders, so any route which can look to level this out by letting children see the father is an okayed idea in my book.

[SuuT]

Prisons should be as uncomfortable as our consciences will allow. The Russians have us all beat in that department.

[RoyBatty]

That cell and surrounding facilities are a lot nicer than my apartment. It's tempting, to put it mildly.

I had a discussion about deliberately going to jail with a colleague yesterday. The consensus was that if one were skint and heading for retirement age you could do a lot worse than to get locked up.

- Free accommodation
- Free healthcare (probably better than what you'd get on the outside)
- Lots of friends to hang out with
- Free food
- Amenities like libraries, workshops etc

The only downsides I can see are the minor inconveniences of foresaking heterosexual sex and, uhm, travelling..... which if you were skint you couldn't do anyway.

[Mug Ruith]

Do you think because you gave a "Commie" a "good kicking" you'll get any respect?

I see nothing wrong with beating up Reds. In fact, I think they deserve extra beatings. I would say it should be encouraged, but will not because we don't need any more nationalist comrades behind bars.


You belong in goal as far as I am concerned if you are a violent man and a threat to society.

Do you think the nationalist cause in Europe will be won only by peaceful means? Are you really that naive? :dielaughing:

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by SuuT
Prisons should be as uncomfortable as our consciences will allow.

Interesting point, I wonder if prison is one of those arena’s that a “civilised” “liberal” “democratic” “fair” society has to turn a blind eye to, like the military needing to indoctrinating soldiers to kill or agents torturing potential terrorists for information to save guard our “civilised” “liberal” “democratic” “fair” society?

I’m reminded of an old Star Trek DS9 episode; doesn’t Mr Sloane raise an interesting point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V3EF-nzC2Q&feature=related

Perhaps there is a reason that decent people, men of conscience, usually don't make very good rulers......

[Murphy]

I see nothing wrong with beating up Reds.

Exactly. You're so intellectually limited that you cannot defeat the "Reds" on any other grounds can you?


In fact, I think they deserve extra beatings.

I am sure they feel the same towards you.


I would say it should be encouraged, but will not because we don't need any more nationalist comrades behind bars.

A fine example you are :rolleyes:. A real role model.


Do you think the nationalist cause in Europe will be won only by peaceful means?

Of course I believe in peaceful means. I am a devouted Catholic and I believe violence should always be a last resort. In some areas of Europe violence may be needed in defence of the European people, but I assure you that defence will not be orchastrated by violent little criminals like yourself.


Are you really that naive? :dielaughing:

Don't you have some "Reds" to go beat up?

Regards,
Eóin.

[lei.talk]

That cell and surrounding facilities are a lot nicer than my apartment.
It's tempting, to put it mildly.

I had a discussion about deliberately going to jail with a colleague yesterday.
The consensus was that if one were skint and heading for retirement age
you could do a lot worse than to get locked up.

- Free accommodation
- Free healthcare (probably better than what you'd get on the outside)
- Lots of friends to hang out with
- Free food
- Amenities like libraries, workshops etc

The only downsides I can see
are the minor inconveniences of foresaking heterosexual sex
and, uhm, travelling.....which if you were skint you couldn't do anyway.some might think that is a solution
to - both - problems like this (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=68166&highlight=petits+bureaucrates#post68166)
and the harrows of an impoverished old-age.

perhaps a rephrasing:
"How should the elderly poor confront governmental evil (http://www.nationalistlibrary.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=795&Itemid=33)?"

[Absinthe]

- Free accommodation
- Free healthcare (probably better than what you'd get on the outside)
- Lots of friends to hang out with
- Free food
- Amenities like libraries, workshops etc
Awww...:) Well free this, free that, but you forget the most important thing that starts with "free-" .... Freedom :)

I personally consider that to be the highest achievement for a human being in the present age, and I know we are not free as "free" citizens, but locking oneself up deliberately would certainly not help :p

[Atlas]

We should not forget however that a jail is a jail no matter if your bed in made of gold, you are still locked up. My freedom is too important for me to think about doing idiocy, crime etc...

[RoyBatty]

Awww...:) Well free this, free that, but you forget the most important thing that starts with "free-" .... Freedom :)

I personally consider that to be the highest achievement for a human being in the present age, and I know we are not free as "free" citizens, but locking oneself up deliberately would certainly not help :p

As the joke here in the UK goes, we're all living in HM Open Prison already. :D

[Lars]

That must be an 'open prison' for inmates who aren't dangerous. The buildings, furniture etc. is common in the Nordic Countries. I suspect the closed prisons in Norway are very different. My guess is also that fewer people who have been to jail in Norway returns to prison compared with other countries.

[Phlegethon]

The aim of the present study (http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ796174&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ796174) was to explore the educational background of the total population of inmates in Norwegian prisons. The sample consisted of all 3 289 inmates over 18 years of age in Norwegian prisons.

Compare this to the American figures and you may get an idea why the Norwegians can try out other approaches.

[SuuT]

Recitivism is super low in Norway due more to its current racial composition, mores and folkways than it is due to eduacational achievements - although these things tend to go hand-in-hand. Where I come out is that prison as a deterrent actually works in Norway (due to the afore mentioned things), and Scandinavia more generally. The softer approach, as seen in the pictures (etc.), will have diminishing returns as Norway continues open door policies; and the 'soft standard' will lose its efficacy in the event of racial and cultural collapse (even in such instances, the indigenous population maintains control over most systems [at least for a while]; and I think that Norway is ill-prepared).

Also, the anaology with Mexican prisons is poor until there are Mexicans in Norway. In fact, it would be my contention that a Pelican Bay type prison could only ever exist in the United States as the epicentre of racial malaise.

[Brännvin]

I came here just for a second. Look what is going from tax-payers money in Norway!


Nothing special, it looks to be a low security facility housing and many of those furniture as someone already said are made by the prisoners. The wood is easily found locally, looking at the photos appears to be a rural forest area of Norway, don't worry :D the cost would not be so high there.

[lei.talk]

http://9gag.com/photo/4612_full.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Center_Leoben)



the quality of life for the honest citizen
must be extra-ordinarily high
in this country.

[The Lawspeaker]

http://9gag.com/photo/4612_full.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Center_Leoben)



the quality of life for the honest citizen
must be extra-ordinarily high
in this country.

Damn it ! If only I had a room and utilities like that... :rolleyes2:
I made the wrong choices in my life. Slater guys.. I am going to rob a bank in Austria and randomly pick off and murder some people...:mad:

[Pallantides]

The Norwegian prisons have changed a lot since the 19th century. :p


arson (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=62969#post62969)?

Folkstorm. :crazy:

[Eldritch]

I don't understand why prisons should be like Soviet gulags or something. The idea is that losing your liberty is punishment enough. The first purpose of prisons is to isolate criminals from their potential victims, but don't you think the secondary purpose, which is rehabilitation, is better achieved with humane conditions?

[Falkata]

If you come from Somalia and the prisons in your new country are better than the 5 stars hotels in Mogadishu, they are giving you an incentive for being a criminal.

[Eldritch]

If you come from Somalia and the prisons in your new country are better than the 5 stars hotels in Mogadishu, they are giving you an incentive for being a criminal.

Good point. Besides, going to prison on purpose is a tried and true way to avoid deportation.

[Atlas]

I don't understand why prisons should be like Soviet gulags or something. The idea is that losing your liberty is punishment enough. The first purpose of prisons is to isolate criminals from their potential victims, but don't you think the secondary purpose, which is rehabilitation, is better achieved with humane conditions?

True, but... the third purpose should also be : make your stay tough enough so you don't want to come back.

[Ibericus]

Do they work at least ?? :eek:

[Arrow Cross]

Welcome to the Polar Carebear Penal Institution. We all hope your stay will be as pleasant and recreational as possible. Have a nice day!

[Germanicus]

The hard but fair way to deal with criminals who do not behave in prison, the perfect solution?...:thumb001:



Waterhuis in the Amsterdam Rasphuis. Criminals that were condemned to hard labor had to saw wood in this prison in the 17th century. If they were recalcitrant they were placed in a cellar that quickly filled with water after a sluice was opened. However, they were handed a pump that enabled them to keep from drowning, provided they pumped energetically and continuously. Interestingly, this method of punishment was considered quite humane at the time. The Rasphuis prison was a popular tourist attraction for Englishmen doing the Grand Tour. The description of the dungeon therefore comes mainly to us from travelogues.

[The Lawspeaker]

The hard but fair way to deal with criminals who do not behave in prison, the perfect solution?...:thumb001:



Waterhuis in the Amsterdam Rasphuis. Criminals that were condemned to hard labor had to saw wood in this prison in the 17th century. If they were recalcitrant they were placed in a cellar that quickly filled with water after a sluice was opened. However, they were handed a pump that enabled them to keep from drowning, provided they pumped energetically and continuously. Interestingly, this method of punishment was considered quite humane at the time. The Rasphuis prison was a popular tourist attraction for Englishmen doing the Grand Tour. The description of the dungeon therefore comes mainly to us from travelogues.
Ah those were the days. :thumbs up Time to bring those good days back. And the worst of the worst we can give a nice holiday in the jungles of Suriname: building a railroad van Nowhereville to Somewhereremoteville with their bare, bloody hands and a bunch of malaria-infected mosquitoes to keep them company. :thumbs up

[Andarijo]

Criminal people live better than decent people because they don't need work to live in 'your prisons'. The books are decorative. ;)

[Vasconcelos]

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