Is hungary more a Balkan nation than a central european?

[RussiaPrussia]

i am curious, you also have territorial problems with romania and serbia and so on, so you constantly argue with them over this and behave like balkans on this forum and in politics.

[Roy]

The entire territory of today's Hungary is not on the Balkan Peninsula to start with but I'm not sure if I'm entitled to speak on their behalf :)

[Proto-Shaman]

Last time I visited Hungary (Budapest & some villages) I had more Balkan fever then Central European.

[ABest]

Geographically, no. Culturally, they kind of are relatively Balkan but also central at the same time. But I won't vote because it is up to them to define themselves, really.

EDIT: I'd say they are central. They just have some Balkan elements in their culture, but that doesn't really make them Balkan culturally.

[Kastrioti1443]

No, they are central european, in every side.

[Arbërori]

Central European, definitely.

[Cern]

Central Europe is a fact.

[Cern]

i am curious, you also have territorial problems with romania and serbia and so on, so you constantly argue with them over this and behave like balkans on this forum

Hungary is in a special situation. The reason: Trianon and hungarian minorities in romania, slovakia and serbia.



in politics.

Not true!

[Szegedist]

Central European. But we shared a border with the Balkan for a very long time now, so naturally there were some overlaps.


But I think the best description for Hungary would be Carpathian, or Pannonian, because historically we were on the Crossroads between the East, West and South. Remember that first Christian missionaries to Hungary were from the Byzantine Empire.

[Gospodine]

Genetically they are closer to the Balkans:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/3217922716_b193544880_o.jpg
http://www.beerkens.info/blog/uploaded_images/geneseurope.jpg

[Szegedist]

1) By Balkans, do you mean Czech Republic?
2) It is debatable whether Slovenia and Croatia are Balkan in the first place.
3) This thread is not for spamming genetics charts. It's not Haplogroups that makes someone Balkan or not, but culture, history, mentality and so on, something that is difficult for Anthronerds to understand.

[Lemon Kush]

Balkan. They have the same amount of gypsies. :coffee:

[Gospodine]

3) This thread is not for spamming genetics charts. It's not Haplogroups that makes someone Balkan or not, but culture, history, mentality and so on, something that is difficult for Anthronerds to understand.

I only said genetically.

Culturally and historically; I don't consider Hungarians "Balkan".



2) It is debatable whether Slovenia and Croatia are Balkan in the first place.

It's debatable whether the term "Balkan" is even a valid ethnogenetic category in the first place and whether it has any relevance beyond geography. So if you're going to use arbitrary terms like that, don't act like you've got any credibility to begin with.

[riverman]

Balkan, central European is debatable as that would make Estonia east Europe!

[Szegedist]

Balkan. They have the same amount of gypsies. :coffee:

By same logic, USA and Spain is Balkan too.

[Cern]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/3217922716_b193544880_o.jpg


Czech are closer.


Balkan. They have the same amount of gypsies. :coffee:

Afro-Americans are worse. Hungary is a better place to live than the USA. :ranger:

[alfieb]

Balkan, central European is debatable as that would make Estonia east Europe!
Estonia is Eastern Europe.
Hungary is Central Europe.

Their enemies are Balkanites, while their friends are Central Europeans. They cluster with Central Europeans. They have more political history with Central Europe (House of Luxemburg, union with Brandenburg (Berlin area), union with Poland, union with Bohemia, union with Austria, rule over Slovakia, etc.)

There were Hungarian emperors of Holy Roman Empire, the largest power in Central Europe. There were never Serb, Croatian, etc.

[Twistedmind]

Balkan. They have the same amount of gypsies. :coffee:

Acctually they have more gypsies than any Balkan country. But no they are not Balkans, they are Central Europe. Altough, Balkans is just geographic term. Genenticaly and culturaly it is verry diverse. Hungarians have cultural and gennetic ties with Balkan countries near to them, but not with Greece and Albania for example.

[glass]

Balkan
Culturally balkans is former european part of Ottoman Empire, so Hungaria as balkan as Serbia or Bulgaria.
Also out of all balkan countries only muslim Bosnia and Albania have stronger affinity with Turkey.
I do not understand how Hungaria less balkan than say Croatia.

[Szegedist]

Balkan
Culturally balkans is former european part of Ottoman Empire, so Hungaria as balkan as Serbia or Bulgaria.
Also out of all balkan countries only muslim Bosnia and Albania have stronger affinity with Turkey.
I do not understand how Hungaria less balkan than say Croatia.

The Ottomans occupied a THIRD of Hungary for only 150 years, compared to many centuries of Ottoman rule for the Balkan. Much of Ottoman Hungary was not even ethnic Hungarian due to the mass influx of South Slavic settlers.

The Balkan is characterized by the Byzantine-Ottoman heritage. Hungary has some of it, but a very small amount compared to states south of us.
You know absolutely nothing about Hungarian culture, by same logic Russia is Mongol because of the Mongol empire...

It is also debatable how Balkan Croatia is. Slavonia, Zagorie, probably not such much.

[Hevo]

Hungary is a Central European country...

[BlastFromDaPast]

Central Europe. Slovenia is Central Europe too, as well as Slavonia (North Croatia).

[Meow]

I don't consider Hungary to be in the Balkans. It's central Europe.

[Lemon Kush]

My father visited Hungary in the 80's and was impressed with the architecture and cleanliness of Budapest. He thought he was in some central European country, but thanks to gypsy like Huszar they're giving the country a bad name.

[Ianus]

Central European, i don't consider Hungary a Balkan country for geographical, religious and cultural aspects.

[Stears]

Hungary (similar to Poland Czech Rep. Germany Switzerland Poland etc..) is a Central European country.

See the old Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911:

HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of Central Europe,
http://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabrit13chisrich#page/894/mode/1up/search/hungary


See Modern Britannica:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/276730/Hungary

Hungary, Hungarian Magyarország, landlocked country of central Europe. The capital is Budapest.


German BrockHaus Encyclopedia
http://www.brockhaus.de/.files/pdf/enzyklopaedie/BE_Burg.pdf

Columbia Encyclopedia
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hungary.aspx


French Larousse Encyclopedia
http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/pays/Hongrie/111520


Hungary is Central European: CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hu.html


Encarta Encyclopedia
http://web.archive.org/web/20091028125450/http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559741/Hungary.html

[cyborg]

I think in the 20th century my country had a tendency to become a Balkanic country, but nowadays we keep to the developed countries.

[Mehmet]

Central Europe with Balkan and Eurasian (East Europe style) vibes.
The fact they are Catholics give them a Western identity, on the other hand.

[Szegedist]

Central Europe with Balkan and Eurasian (East Europe style) vibes.
The fact they are Catholics give them a Western identity, on the other hand.


It's wrong to say that Hungarians are Catholics, when there are many Protestants (including Prime Minister)

[Proto-Shaman]

fifty-fifty I would say.

[archangel]

They look more northern than balkan nations(higher blondism,etc....) so central european imho

[Szegedist]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/Daneelo/Occasional%20Train%20Blogging/HunRailNetworkExpansion.jpg

[00danieleinad00]

central european

[oszkar07]

By majority of ways Hungary is Central European but with some minor Balkan aspects influences.

[The Special One]

Between

[Chris596]

It depends.

By culture and religion: not really
By language: not at all
By geography: mostly not
By genetics: some people have a little ,,Balkan DNA'' , some have more, some are not comparable to Balkaners at all, some are significantly or are fully like Balkaners (like me, my mom, my dad); That's probably due to many mixing that happened through the centuries and assimilation of other nations around base Hungarians

[Chris596]

Those 15 people who voted yes so far, have never been to any real Balkan countries and they don't know what they're talking about.

[ooops]

No, they have mixed Slavic-German ancestry. Balkaners are a mix of Slavs and Illyrians, Thracians, Vlachs depending on region.
Definitely much blonder and Nordish looking than Bulgarians, Serbs, Albanians etc.

[Blondie]

No, they have mixed Slavic-German ancestry. Balkaners are a mix of Slavs and Illyrians, Thracians, Vlachs depending on region.
Definitely much blonder and Nordish looking than Bulgarians, Serbs, Albanians etc.

Hungarians have tons of native pannonian (they were illyrians) genetic ancestry too.

[ooops]

Hungarians have tons of native pannonian (they were illyrians) genetic ancestry too.

Maybe a tiny bit but it's not really noticeable. Hungarians look like Czechs, Austrians, Slovaks. You don't cluster at all with Albanians and Greek Thessalians for example.

[Blondie]

Maybe a tiny bit but it's not really noticeable. Hungarians look like Czechs, Austrians, Slovaks. You don't cluster at all with Albanians and Greek Thessalians for example.

First of all i'm 1/4 hungarian by ancestry and i didn't do genetic test yet. Secondly why should hungarians cluster with albanians and greeks? Pannonians had definitely different genetic than greeks and albanians because of germanic and celtic influence in Pannonia.

[Blondie]

Map of Großes Germanien:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Imperium_Romanum_Germania.png

Later the goth colonist:

https://cdn.britannica.com/96/996-050-A3B1C05F/Migrations-kingdoms-Goths.jpg

Map of old celtic Europe:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/ca/6f/02ca6fe7d07bfc6837d9e560a2d5ce9e.jpg

The last pannonians and Keszthely Culture in the early medieval age:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keszthely_culture

Southern and northern illyrians had different ethnic and genetic history.

[Universe]

I am not fan of these divisions because as a hungarian I just identify as hungarian, but the description that fits Hungary the most is 'Central-East European' or 'East-Central European'.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-Central_Europe.
Hungary shares some things with balkan but not that much imo. Also no one really considers Hungary a balkan country (maybe except a few who use a loose definition of balkan)

[ooops]

Pannonians had definitely different genetic than greeks and albanians because of germanic and celtic influence in Pannonia.

Which in turn means they arent real Balkaners. Pannonian area belongs to Central Europe. So basically my answer was correct.
Balkan world= Ottoman, Byzantine, Bulgarian empires(history) and southern shifted people compared to West Slavs/Germans(genetics).

[Blondie]

Which in turn means they arent real Balkaners. Pannonian area belongs to Central Europe. So basically my answer was correct.
Balkan world= Ottoman, Byzantine, Bulgarian empires(history) and southern shifted people compared to West Slavs/Germans(genetics).

We were talking about pannonians, and they were different than southern illyrians this is my point. Indeed hungarians are not balkanites you are right, but i live here and to be honest 1/3 of hungarians can pass in Balkans very easly.

[Universe]

Hungarians have tons of native pannonian (they were illyrians) genetic ancestry too.

Maybe a tiny bit but it's not really noticeable. Hungarians look like Czechs, Austrians, Slovaks. You don't cluster at all with Albanians and Greek Thessalians for example.

Even Czechs, Slovaks and Austrians have some Balkan or Balkan-like dna. Vahaduo k13 models 16% of my ancestry as Pomak and 17% 'swiss_italian' (see my signature). Swiss_italian may be a proxy for native pannonian.
Chris (another hungarian forum member) is pretty much pure Serbian genetically.(He's closer to serb forum members than to me)

[Jana]

There is nothing Balkan in Hungary. But, it has eastern European vibes/aspects in some things.
East-central is most accurate description.

[Roy]

There is nothing Balkan about Hungary, idk how could it occur like that to anyone and why would is spring to mind.



Even Czechs, Slovaks and Austrians have some Balkan or Balkan-like dna. Vahaduo k13 models 16% of my ancestry as Pomak and 17% 'swiss_italian' (see my signature). Swiss_italian may be a proxy for native pannonian.
Chris (another hungarian forum member) is pretty much pure Serbian genetically.(He's closer to serb forum members than to me)

Poles also regularly score 'Balkan' on various tests, and not only those from the South.

[Arrow Cross]

There is nothing Balkan about Hungary, idk how could it occur like that to anyone and why would is spring to mind.

Except for the whole "swarmed by gypsies and governed by an infinitely corrupt and cynical gang of petty thieves" part. We're getting there alright. No worries.

[TheMaestro]

Central-east, nothing Balkan about them maybe a smaller genetic input but that's all.

[Herr Galke]

I think that German is the biggest admixture present among ethnic Magyar. Which is why you see many examples of people with either 50/50 ethnic mix or majority German Magyar admixture.

So I voted central european.

[Dunai]

I think that German is the biggest admixture present among ethnic Magyar. Which is why you see many examples of people with either 50/50 ethnic mix or majority German Magyar admixture.

So I voted central european.

Genetically this 50-50 ratio absolutely doesn't stand. Hungarians have around maybe 15% Germanic genes, the rest are East-Central European largely (Slavic, native Pannonians), and some Balkan.

[pajkosbalna]

Almost nothing Balkan about Hungary i think, maybe some genetic overlap

[Jana]

I think that German is the biggest admixture present among ethnic Magyar. Which is why you see many examples of people with either 50/50 ethnic mix or majority German Magyar admixture.

So I voted central european.

Slavic is biggest genetic admixture among Hungarians on average, but genetics has nothing to do with culture because Germany is not a benchmark of central-europeaness.