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RussiaPrussia
05-19-2013, 11:58 PM
i am curious, you also have territorial problems with romania and serbia and so on, so you constantly argue with them over this and behave like balkans on this forum and in politics.

Roy
05-20-2013, 12:03 AM
The entire territory of today's Hungary is not on the Balkan Peninsula to start with but I'm not sure if I'm entitled to speak on their behalf :)

Proto-Shaman
05-20-2013, 12:06 AM
Last time I visited Hungary (Budapest & some villages) I had more Balkan fever then Central European.

ABest
05-20-2013, 12:08 AM
Geographically, no. Culturally, they kind of are relatively Balkan but also central at the same time. But I won't vote because it is up to them to define themselves, really.

EDIT: I'd say they are central. They just have some Balkan elements in their culture, but that doesn't really make them Balkan culturally.

Kastrioti1443
05-20-2013, 12:09 AM
No, they are central european, in every side.

Arbërori
05-20-2013, 12:10 AM
Central European, definitely.

Cern
05-20-2013, 06:16 AM
Central Europe is a fact.

Cern
05-20-2013, 06:30 AM
i am curious, you also have territorial problems with romania and serbia and so on, so you constantly argue with them over this and behave like balkans on this forum

Hungary is in a special situation. The reason: Trianon and hungarian minorities in romania, slovakia and serbia.



in politics.

Not true!

Szegedist
05-20-2013, 08:25 AM
Central European. But we shared a border with the Balkan for a very long time now, so naturally there were some overlaps.


But I think the best description for Hungary would be Carpathian, or Pannonian, because historically we were on the Crossroads between the East, West and South. Remember that first Christian missionaries to Hungary were from the Byzantine Empire.

Gospodine
05-20-2013, 08:31 AM
Genetically they are closer to the Balkans:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/3217922716_b193544880_o.jpg
http://www.beerkens.info/blog/uploaded_images/geneseurope.jpg

Szegedist
05-20-2013, 08:35 AM
1) By Balkans, do you mean Czech Republic?
2) It is debatable whether Slovenia and Croatia are Balkan in the first place.
3) This thread is not for spamming genetics charts. It's not Haplogroups that makes someone Balkan or not, but culture, history, mentality and so on, something that is difficult for Anthronerds to understand.

Lemon Kush
05-20-2013, 08:38 AM
Balkan. They have the same amount of gypsies. :coffee:

Gospodine
05-20-2013, 08:41 AM
3) This thread is not for spamming genetics charts. It's not Haplogroups that makes someone Balkan or not, but culture, history, mentality and so on, something that is difficult for Anthronerds to understand.

I only said genetically.

Culturally and historically; I don't consider Hungarians "Balkan".



2) It is debatable whether Slovenia and Croatia are Balkan in the first place.

It's debatable whether the term "Balkan" is even a valid ethnogenetic category in the first place and whether it has any relevance beyond geography. So if you're going to use arbitrary terms like that, don't act like you've got any credibility to begin with.

riverman
05-20-2013, 08:46 AM
Balkan, central European is debatable as that would make Estonia east Europe!

Szegedist
05-20-2013, 08:47 AM
Balkan. They have the same amount of gypsies. :coffee:

By same logic, USA and Spain is Balkan too.

Cern
05-20-2013, 10:24 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/3217922716_b193544880_o.jpg


Czech are closer.


Balkan. They have the same amount of gypsies. :coffee:

Afro-Americans are worse. Hungary is a better place to live than the USA. :ranger:

alfieb
05-20-2013, 10:27 AM
Balkan, central European is debatable as that would make Estonia east Europe!
Estonia is Eastern Europe.
Hungary is Central Europe.

Their enemies are Balkanites, while their friends are Central Europeans. They cluster with Central Europeans. They have more political history with Central Europe (House of Luxemburg, union with Brandenburg (Berlin area), union with Poland, union with Bohemia, union with Austria, rule over Slovakia, etc.)

There were Hungarian emperors of Holy Roman Empire, the largest power in Central Europe. There were never Serb, Croatian, etc.

Twistedmind
05-20-2013, 10:29 AM
Balkan. They have the same amount of gypsies. :coffee:

Acctually they have more gypsies than any Balkan country. But no they are not Balkans, they are Central Europe. Altough, Balkans is just geographic term. Genenticaly and culturaly it is verry diverse. Hungarians have cultural and gennetic ties with Balkan countries near to them, but not with Greece and Albania for example.

glass
05-20-2013, 10:36 AM
Balkan
Culturally balkans is former european part of Ottoman Empire, so Hungaria as balkan as Serbia or Bulgaria.
Also out of all balkan countries only muslim Bosnia and Albania have stronger affinity with Turkey.
I do not understand how Hungaria less balkan than say Croatia.

Szegedist
05-20-2013, 10:41 AM
Balkan
Culturally balkans is former european part of Ottoman Empire, so Hungaria as balkan as Serbia or Bulgaria.
Also out of all balkan countries only muslim Bosnia and Albania have stronger affinity with Turkey.
I do not understand how Hungaria less balkan than say Croatia.

The Ottomans occupied a THIRD of Hungary for only 150 years, compared to many centuries of Ottoman rule for the Balkan. Much of Ottoman Hungary was not even ethnic Hungarian due to the mass influx of South Slavic settlers.

The Balkan is characterized by the Byzantine-Ottoman heritage. Hungary has some of it, but a very small amount compared to states south of us.
You know absolutely nothing about Hungarian culture, by same logic Russia is Mongol because of the Mongol empire...

It is also debatable how Balkan Croatia is. Slavonia, Zagorie, probably not such much.

Hevo
05-20-2013, 12:25 PM
Hungary is a Central European country...

BlastFromDaPast
05-20-2013, 12:29 PM
Central Europe. Slovenia is Central Europe too, as well as Slavonia (North Croatia).

Meow
05-20-2013, 12:41 PM
I don't consider Hungary to be in the Balkans. It's central Europe.

Lemon Kush
05-21-2013, 07:30 AM
My father visited Hungary in the 80's and was impressed with the architecture and cleanliness of Budapest. He thought he was in some central European country, but thanks to gypsy like Huszar they're giving the country a bad name.

Ianus
12-29-2013, 12:33 PM
Central European, i don't consider Hungary a Balkan country for geographical, religious and cultural aspects.

Stears
01-20-2014, 10:38 AM
Hungary (similar to Poland Czech Rep. Germany Switzerland Poland etc..) is a Central European country.

See the old Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911:

HUNGARY (Hungarian Magyarorszag), a country in the south-eastern pertion of Central Europe,
http://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabrit13chisrich#page/894/mode/1up/search/hungary


See Modern Britannica:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/276730/Hungary

Hungary, Hungarian Magyarország, landlocked country of central Europe. The capital is Budapest.


German BrockHaus Encyclopedia
http://www.brockhaus.de/.files/pdf/enzyklopaedie/BE_Burg.pdf

Columbia Encyclopedia
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Hungary.aspx


French Larousse Encyclopedia
http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/pays/Hongrie/111520


Hungary is Central European: CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hu.html


Encarta Encyclopedia
http://web.archive.org/web/20091028125450/http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559741/Hungary.html

cyborg
01-25-2014, 06:15 PM
I think in the 20th century my country had a tendency to become a Balkanic country, but nowadays we keep to the developed countries.

Mehmet
01-25-2014, 06:18 PM
Central Europe with Balkan and Eurasian (East Europe style) vibes.
The fact they are Catholics give them a Western identity, on the other hand.

Szegedist
01-25-2014, 06:19 PM
Central Europe with Balkan and Eurasian (East Europe style) vibes.
The fact they are Catholics give them a Western identity, on the other hand.


It's wrong to say that Hungarians are Catholics, when there are many Protestants (including Prime Minister)

Proto-Shaman
01-26-2014, 02:23 PM
fifty-fifty I would say.

archangel
01-26-2014, 02:27 PM
They look more northern than balkan nations(higher blondism,etc....) so central european imho

Szegedist
01-31-2014, 11:15 AM
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/Daneelo/Occasional%20Train%20Blogging/HunRailNetworkExpansion.jpg

00danieleinad00
08-20-2018, 12:45 AM
central european

oszkar07
07-14-2019, 04:44 AM
By majority of ways Hungary is Central European but with some minor Balkan aspects influences.