Which other ethnicities overlap with Portuguese? Spain excluded.

[Sikeliot]

Trying this again after 2 years since last time I had to lock and delete the thread due to the arguing it caused. :lol:

Be civil guys :thumb001:

And I will exclude Spain since it is too obvious. BUT I put Basques.

[Anthropologique]

Other than Spaniards, SE and SW French, for the most part.

[Sikeliot]

I only remade this since we now have many new users and last time, it had to be shut down due to arguing and immaturity.

I think there is a distinct "Portuguese" look. Here are some who have it IMO. Not sure who it overlaps with.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6111/6336757145_a3e7afd7e0_m.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6226/6336755059_d6985ff8a5_m.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6108/6337509540_faf25359e2_m.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3428/3240260588_a540370db3_m.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/3239422765_d693818fc9_m.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3516/3239421029_85bacd5a1f_m.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6947748429_cdd1e59cd8_m.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7197/6947747983_c1c93c677a_m.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7184/6947747573_7e4eac2857_m.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7063/6801638758_b054a288ff_m.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5127/5281918068_4bae267493_m.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3425/3278347581_d5dd3ea9b9_m.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3484/3278346483_813fa11e12_m.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3575/3320505206_05a2bd1dc1_m.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3614/3319669513_ea4c36521c_m.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

Again?

[Mark]

Here is a very 'loose' order by appearance only, not necessarily genetic overlap:

Basques, French, Cubans, Belgians, English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish.

[Sikeliot]

Again?

Because last time it caused so much arguing I locked and deleted the thread. That is why.



Here is my loose order, but I really don't know. :confused:

Basques, French, Cubans, Belgians, English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish.


No Puerto Rican? While most are noticeably mixed race.. I have seen a few white ones who I mistook for Portuguese. I have a friend whose best friend is Puerto Rican and everyone thinks she's Portuguese.. I am sure you'd think so too if you saw her.

[ChocolateFace]

Some people don't mention it but some Iberian phenotypes can overlap with Balkan ones. I might post some examples later.

[Sikeliot]

Some people don't mention it but some Iberian phenotypes can overlap with balkan ones. I might post some examples later.

Every now and again I see a Portuguese who can be Greek but I would be surprised to see one who looks like a Serb or Croat.

[ChocolateFace]

Every now and again I see a Portuguese who can be Greek but I would be surprised to see one who looks like a Serb or Croat.

This Serb actor looks like he can overlap with the Portuguese.

http://inserbia.info/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/sergej-trifunovic.jpg

http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2010-08-04/63328_1004-sergej-trifunovic-foto-goran-sivacki_f.jpg

[Mark]

No Puerto Rican? While most are noticeably mixed race.. I have seen a few white ones who I mistook for Portuguese. I have a friend whose best friend is Puerto Rican and everyone thinks she's Portuguese.. I am sure you'd think so too if you saw her.
Well, I grew up in New York and have known many Puerto Rican people and I never really thought they had a dominant Atlantic or Iberian look. Conversely, spending a lot of time in Miami, I have been exposed to Cuban people for decades and they seem to be more Iberian/Atlantic looking to me.

[Newsboy]

Every now and again I see a Portuguese who can be Greek but I would be surprised to see one who looks like a Serb or Croat.

I agree with you xD. Some Portuguese people can possibly pass as Greek and that's why they are one of the ethnic groups I voted for.

You're right about Portuguese people not looking Slavic. I would also be rather surprised if some Portuguese looked that Eastern.

As for the Northern ethnicities overlapping with Portuguese the Welsh and some Irish maybe, but I don't think there is much overlap with Scottish/English people.

[Sikeliot]

Well, I grew up in New York and have known many Puerto Rican people and I never really thought they had a dominant Atlantic or Iberian look.

Most Puerto Ricans I know look part black but the ones who have looked purely European, remind me of Portuguese. You also find some Puerto Ricans who look kind of North African, which means likely their ancestry is mostly but not fully European and part of it is Canarian.

[Tropico]

I voted Cuban, Puerto Ricans, French, Basque, and Irish. Obviously not EVERY Cuban, EVERY Puerto Rican etc.. but all these groups have people who over lap with Portugal.

[Tropico]

Most Puerto Ricans I know look part black but the ones who have looked purely European, remind me of Portuguese. You also find some Puerto Ricans who look kind of North African, which means likely their ancestry is mostly but not fully European and part of it is Canarian.

i.e Me . haha

[Sikeliot]

I voted Cuban, Puerto Ricans, French, Basque, and Irish. Obviously not EVERY Cuban, EVERY Puerto Rican etc.. but all these groups have people who over lap with Portugal.

I agree with those because when I have seen Puerto Ricans who look strictly European, they often remind me of Portuguese.

[Tropico]

I agree with those because when I have seen Puerto Ricans who look strictly European, they often remind me of Portuguese.

Im guessing its some North African/European that blends in a Portuguese-like way?

[Sikeliot]

Im guessing its some North African/European that blends in a Portuguese-like way?

Not so much that but rather that some of the Puerto Ricans who look less Canarian or off white, tend to look Portuguese. Maybe it's because the Spaniards came from parts of Spain that are close to Portugal? couldn't say.

[Tropico]

Not so much that but rather that some of the Puerto Ricans who look less Canarian or off white, tend to look Portuguese. Maybe it's because the Spaniards came from parts of Spain that are close to Portugal? couldn't say.

Would you say my father has a Portuguese look?

[Sikeliot]

Would you say my father has a Portuguese look?

He could pass, but I wouldn't identify him as Portuguese first glance.

[Tropico]

He could pass, but I wouldn't identify him as Portuguese first glance.

True. I think that my father's father's Spaniard ancestry is Canarian (with Amerindian) while his mothers' ancestry is Iberian which gives him that type of look.

[istripador]

eu não posso acreditar que esse cara ainda acha que a diferenças entre portugueses e espanhóis huauhauhauhahuauha eu nunca conheci um ibérico que fala que existem diferenças entre eles, mas esqueci que é o mesmo cara que disse que o Kaká não parece iberico uhahuahuaahu

[Vasconcelos]

Not this shit again. Please leave our sub-forum free of these sort of bullshit topics, none of us want it.

[Peyrol]

''Belgian'' isn't an ethnicity, btw.

[Damião de Góis]

I'll answer it once again.

Genetically there is only overlap with spaniards. French and Italians are the closest after the spanish, but there isn't genetic overlap with any of them.

Phenotipically there is some overlap with mediterraneans and western europeans, but there isn't any nation which has a consistent overlap (not counting some parts of Spain).

[Anthropologique]

Honestly, I don't think there is a particular "Portuguese look." What I've seen are some modest Paleo and CM characteristics that can, on occasion, be a bit dominant. However, you find such traits in the core Far-Western European ethnicities fairly regularly.

[HispaniaSagrada]

Angels is not on the list. This poll is a fail.

[HispaniaSagrada]

eu não posso acreditar que esse cara ainda acha que a diferenças entre portugueses e espanhóis

Trans: I can't believe that guy still thinks there's a difference between portuguese and spaniards

Who are you talking about? Seeing that the OP is saying "Spain excluded" it's easy to see that he thinks they're similar and therefore wants to exclude them from the poll because they'd be the obvious answer if they were included. So, I don't understand you unless you're talking about him mentioning a "portuguese look" and you think there is none - if that's what you mean maybe you're right. Prejudices can color perception. I would just like you to clarify (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?80479-Evolution-of-the-Portuguese-Flag&p=1626163&viewfull=1#post1626163) (xD) what you mean.


huauhauhauhahuauha eu nunca conheci um ibérico que fala que existem diferenças entre eles

Trans. I've never known an iberian that thinks there are differences between them

But I know of one supposed Brazilian who seems to think so based on what he's said in other threads, most recently in the thread about Portuguese flags.

[Amun]

Basques, Welsh, French, Italians and Moroccans (in some cases)

[Slycooper]

French, Italian, English, Black Irish.

[Atlantic Islander]

I'll answer it once again.

Genetically there is only overlap with spaniards. French and Italians are the closest after the spanish, but there isn't genetic overlap with any of them.

Phenotipically there is some overlap with mediterraneans and western europeans, but there isn't any nation which has a consistent overlap (not counting some parts of Spain).

This is the best answer possible, there's really no need for further discussion.

[Lusos]

French, Italian, English, Black Irish.


Negro Irish.

[HispaniaSagrada]

I didn't notice it before but I don't know why you're including Basques in the list when you exclude Spanish.

[Lusos]

^
Basques are an Alien Race.
And they dont look French.

[Catrau]

They look just like us. Go there a number of times as I did and then tell me what's different about their looks.

[Vasconcelos]

They look just like us. Go there a number of times as I did and then tell me what's different about their looks.

Yea, I've even seen a photo of a Basque girl who's the spitting face of a friend of mine from Ribatejo.

[Sikeliot]

There is a specific Portuguese type that resembles Basques.. like this:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4329276956_72a6f30821_m.jpg

She is Portuguese but looks Basque.

[Lusos]

There is a specific Portuguese type that resembles Basques.. like this:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4037/4329276956_72a6f30821_m.jpg

She is Portuguese but looks Basque.

I would say she looks Portuguese.

[Sikeliot]

But some Basques do look like that, I've seen them .

[Lusos]

But some Basques do look like that, I've seen them .

Not only Basques.
That look is normal to find In Iberia.
Also why do we always have to look like someone else?

[HispaniaSagrada]

I'd say that the only striking differences I've noticed with Basques is a) their language and b) their food doesn't seem particularly appetizing, although I've never tried it so it's possible I'd change my mind.

[HispaniaSagrada]

Not only Basques.
That look is normal to find In Iberia.
Also why do we always have to look like someone else?

Because most people need everything to fit in nice and neat little boxes so that their minds can comprehend them and not have a mental meltdown.

[Bobby Six Killer]

I think portuguese like Raul Meireles & Alex Delarge look like welsh or irish

[Sikeliot]

I think portuguese like Raul Meireles & Alex Delarge look like welsh or irish

I think Alex Delarge's grandfather looks like John McCain who is Scots-Irish and Alex himself looks like Pierce Brosnan who is Irish.

[Freeroostah]

Portuguese people have very distinctive faces in my opinion. I think South French, Basque and Brazillians are closer to them than any other ethnic group.

[Sikeliot]

Portuguese people have very distinctive faces in my opinion. I think South French, Basque and Brazillians are closer to them than any other ethnic group.

I can generally pick out when people are Portuguese easily, and I can also recognize Portuguese influence in people who are admixed but significantly Portuguese. A lot of mixed Brazilians, Cape Verdeans etc. still have something instinctively "Portuguese" in their face even when admixed. Something in the eyes, for instance.

[Vasconcelos]

http://deadwildroses.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/tactical_facepalm.jpg

[BLUEU]

South French, North Italians, and Basque.

[Anthropologique]

Because most people need everything to fit in nice and neat little boxes so that their minds can comprehend them and not have a mental meltdown.

For certain.

[Anthropologique]

But some Basques do look like that, I've seen them .

I agree. There is a little Basque in all Iberians, it seems.

[Anthropologique]

Portuguese people have very distinctive faces in my opinion. I think South French, Basque and Brazillians are closer to them than any other ethnic group.

SOME white Brazilians resemble Portuguese. The majority of Brazilians have Portuguese in them.

[Damião de Góis]

I think portuguese like Raul Meireles & Alex Delarge look like welsh or irish

About me, i've replyed often enough. As for Raul Meireles i can't think of any Irish football player or celebrity that looks like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EKKdqgXzxqs/THhQ3kWkRcI/AAAAAAAAByA/32YvwFRo3aY/s1600/raul-meireles-6.jpg

[Lusos]

Sorry Alex.
But Raul It's not Berid.Therefore not Portuguese.

[RussiaPrussia]

french and maltese

[Lusos]

^
Not Maltese.
Not saying they are not White or something(Not bothered).I just think they have their own look.More inclined to other Geographic locations.

[Slycooper]

About me, i've replyed often enough. As for Raul Meireles i can't think of any Irish football player or celebrity that looks like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EKKdqgXzxqs/THhQ3kWkRcI/AAAAAAAAByA/32YvwFRo3aY/s1600/raul-meireles-6.jpg

This is why I don't understand why some think the Portuguese are the darkest in europe.

[HispaniaSagrada]

OT but what the heck I just wanna say that normally the spanish forum was active daily and lately it seems it is dead or slow and the portuguese one is picking up. What gives? The energy can only be on one side or the other, not both? :nerd:

[Catrau]

OT but what the heck I just wanna say that normally the spanish forum was active daily and lately it seems it is dead or slow and the portuguese one is picking up. What gives? The energy can only be on one side or the other, not both? :nerd:

We've been more active in the past but it is OK. The Spanish forum did had a huge collpase since about 1 year ago. Many good posters vanished like Osweo, Fresa Selvaje, Comunero etc. I was always jumping between both forums.

Anyway some of us should contribute a little bit more. People that were very active in the past are a bit on the "defensive" now, just respond to posts. I'm thinking about Alex and Vasconcelos. You should open threads because you have the knowledge to start debates on the areas you like the most, even if there are general subforums on those issues. I do post in the European pics thread and stopped posting in the Portuguese pics thread. I'm thinking about duplicating those posts, that is different from a real discussion, that can't be double posted, only photos, videos or music.

[ABest]

French people, Basques and Italians. Specifically, Occitans, North Italians and Iberians belong to the same phenotypical zone imo.

Also, some Portuguese people could pass in the British Isles because of the Atlantid phenotypical link.

[riverman]

French people, Basques and Italians. Specifically, Occitans, North Italians and Iberians belong to the same phenotypical zone imo.

Also, some Portuguese people could pass in the British Isles because of the Atlantid phenotypical link.

Iberians and n.italians are different

[Catrau]

Iberians and n.italians are different

Very different, especially because they speak a different language. Also because northern Italians, in the American vision of Europeans, belong to a different breed of Scandinavian connected south Europeans while the poor Iberians are an ugly swarty horde of Africans that once move to Europe.

This is my vision too. Also genetic clusters show clearly that.
:icon_drunk:

[Peyrol]

Very different, especially because they speak a different language. Also because northern Italians, in the American vision of Europeans, belong to a different breed of Scandinavian connected south Europeans while the poor Iberians are an ugly swarty horde of Africans that once move to Europe.

This is my vision too. Also genetic clusters show clearly that.
:icon_drunk:

We aren't ''scandinavians'', we're galloromance people, as many other people from southern/western

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/3770/2u6kxom.jpg

[Vasconcelos]

He was joking.

[Roy]

They overlap the most with populations from Atlantic Facade and Italy, + they have their own distinct ''look'' rarely found outside.

[Minde]

spain

[riverman]

Very different, especially because they speak a different language. Also because northern Italians, in the American vision of Europeans, belong to a different breed of Scandinavian connected south Europeans while the poor Iberians are an ugly swarty horde of Africans that once move to Europe.

This is my vision too. Also genetic clusters show clearly that.
:icon_drunk:

No, they are different/look different. Prove otherwise if your so sure of yourself. lol.

[FrostDragon]

Southern French mostly.

[Lusos]

I look like my Dad.A Portuguese.Wich In turn looks like his Mom(My Grand-Mother)A Portuguese.Wich In turn looks like her deceased ant(So they tell me)another Portuguese,etc,etc,etc.

We've been Portuguese since....well,since there's records.
I find It dificult for me to look something else then Portuguese.

[Catrau]

No, they are different/look different. Prove otherwise if your so sure of yourself. lol. <-- riverman laughing alone

That was a joke but does fit some kind of American imagination that, on the other hand, apparently fits you well too.

I don't need to prove anything but you… you should have explained the full meaning of your idea. Just saying that we are different means nothing, it's an empty concept, I'm different from my neighbor. What do you mean with it and how different are we in your understanding? Just a little bit or a lot? Are they big and we are pigmies? Do they have broad faces and ours are long and thin? Are they snow-white maidens and we are brown skinned garbage catchers? Do we have big “love tools” and they have something like “little toes”?

Will you explain that to us, please. I really would like to know. I'm asking you because you brought it up, just that.
The pools is about who overlaps with the Portuguese, not about who doesn't. Since you approached the problem on a twisted way and confronting many of those who answered the pool.. I'm waiting for your explanations before you loose all credit and your face.

It's very funny to fart and then runaway leaving the stinky smell for the others to endure.

[Lusos]

34364

[Slycooper]

^
lmfao.

[Ianus]

The most similar are Spanish, then other Mediterranean European people.

[WOOHP]

Belgium 4 votes, France 56 :picard2:

People are so biased by geography when it comes to physical anthropology.

[Cristiano viejo]

Spaniards, French and Italians.

[Gauthier]

I'm surprised people voted for Puerto Rico and Cuba, when in fact the average citizen of such countries looks admixed.

University students from PR.

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6600/ty8z.jpg (http://img818.imageshack.us/i/ty8z.jpg/)

Cubans at a concert.

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/8158/i80v.jpg (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/i80v.jpg/)

[Rouxinol]

Belgium 4 votes, France 56 :picard2:

People are so biased by geography when it comes to physical anthropology.

Most Belgians (either Flemish or Walloons) are continental Keltic Nordids, Sub-Nordids, Borreby or Faelid/Nordid mixes (some are Atlantid/North Atlantid too). In France, though, in addition to those types, there are as well tons of Atlantids, Atlanto-Mediterranids and Alpino-Mediterranids, especially in the West (from Brittany down) and from Aquitaine to Languedoc. Hence, the differece makes all sense.

[Kalimtari]

Western Europe

[Kamal900]

Trying this again after 2 years since last time I had to lock and delete the thread due to the arguing it caused. :lol:

Be civil guys :thumb001:

And I will exclude Spain since it is too obvious. BUT I put Basques.

um, where are the pictures?

[Atlantic Islander]

um, where are the pictures?

The BEST examples, were posted by me over here. (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?118874-Average-PT-people)

[Sikeliot]

I still say..

Significantly: French, Spanish, Basques, North Italians
Moderately: Irish, British, Belgians, Central Italians
Slightly: Southern Italians, Greeks, NW Africans

[Newsboy]

I still say..

Significantly: French, Spanish, Basques, North Italians
Moderately: Irish, British, Belgians, Central Italians
Slightly: Southern Italians, Greeks, NW Africans

I don't think they look moderately British. While mainstream Portuguese don't look very Greek or British, they still lean towards Greeks. I think Alex once said this.

[safinator]

Basques and South Italians

[Cristiano viejo]

Basques and South Italians

Spain included, it prays the title.

[crazyladybutterfly]

phenotypically more southern italians , genetically probably sardinians

(sardinians have much less indoeuropean blood. while southern italians have a wide variety of phenotypes and only an extreme small minority of iberians cant pass here)

[Sikeliot]

phenotypically more southern italians , genetically probably sardinians

(sardinians have much less indoeuropean blood. while southern italians have a wide variety of phenotypes and only an extreme small minority of iberians cant pass here)

Many Portuguese have a distinct look that doesn't look southern Italian and vice versa.

For whatever reason more Iberians and Greeks look similar.

[crazyladybutterfly]

I still say..

Significantly: French, Spanish, Basques, North Italians
Moderately: Irish, British, Belgians, Central Italians
Slightly: Southern Italians, Greeks, NW Africans

many iberians dont pass at all as northern italian, they would be taken either for sardinians or southern italians

[crazyladybutterfly]

Many Portuguese have a distinct look that doesn't look southern Italian and vice versa.

For whatever reason more Iberians and Greeks look similar.

southern italians dont have a distinctive look , they look like a melting pot passing here is extremely easy.

[Sikeliot]

southern italians dont have a distinctive look , they look like a melting pot.


True but at the same time there is very little Indo-European there.

[crazyladybutterfly]

True but at the same time there is very little Indo-European there.

it depends lol where i live i see many blue eyes. and few even have the "scandinavian blonde"

[Sikeliot]

it depends lol where i live i see many blue eyes. and few even have the "scandinavian blonde"

Indo European is Northeast Euro. Russian like. That is absent.

[Cristiano viejo]

Many Portuguese have a distinct look that doesn't look southern Italian and vice versa.

For whatever reason more Iberians and Greeks look similar.
That does not make sense and Raine could die by a disgust.


many iberians dont pass at all as northern italian, they would be taken either for sardinians or southern italians

Good joke. Try again

CENTRAL SPANIARDS FROM MADRID

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4bZZo_LlrM

NORTH ITALIANS FROM MILAN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImkMhv8mw9I

[crazyladybutterfly]

That does not make sense and Raine could die by a disgust.



Good joke. Try again

CENTRAL SPANIARDS FROM MADRID

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4bZZo_LlrM

NORTH ITALIANS FROM MILAN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImkMhv8mw9I

with many i didnt mean all , but a portion of them. and your videos prove my point

besides you only posted these videos because the guys were untanned? lol do you think southern italians are dark skinned?

[Cristiano viejo]

with many i didnt mean all , but a portion of them. and your videos prove my point

My videos prove that it is North Italians who look like South Italians, not Spaniards.
Unless that you are saying that South Italians are lighter than North Italians :)

[crazyladybutterfly]

Indo European is Northeast Euro. Russian like. That is absent.

and what is northwest?

[crazyladybutterfly]

My videos prove that it is North Italians who look like South Italians, not Spaniards.
Unless that you are saying that South Italians are lighter than North Italians :)

it's the facial features that differs and height in particular not the pigmentation (unless we're going to talk about the austrian minority)
and iberians arent lighter

[Oddone]

My videos prove that it is North Italians who look like South Italians, not Spaniards.

Being many of those AC Milan supporters are of southern Italian descent is pretty obvious.

[Cristiano viejo]

it's the facial features that differs and height in particular not the pigmentation (unless we're going to talk about the austrian minority)
You were speaking of pigmentation, I was not born yesterday.


and iberians arent lighter
Review the videos or change the drugs you are taking.


Being many of those AC Milan supporters are of southern Italian descent is pretty obvious.

Please can you post some videos of pure North Italians? just to compare.

[crazyladybutterfly]

You were speaking of pigmentation, I was not born yesterday.


Review the videos or change the drugs you are taking.



Please can you post some videos of pure North Italians? just to compare.

i wasnt talking about pigmentation but the ubermed phenotypes that arent present in northern italy but can happen in southern . north italians can t be that much med looking, at least i havent seen any heavily med northern italian in my whole life while i have seen a shitload of ubermed iberians

one example is berid, in italy you can only find it in south and sardinia

and no , iberians arent lighter than south italians. like it or not lol

[Cristiano viejo]

i wasnt talking about pigmentation but the ubermed phenotypes that arent present in northern italy but can happen in southern . north italians can t be that much med looking, at least i havent seen any heavily med northern italian in my whole life while i have seen a shitload of ubermed iberians

one example is berid, in italy you can only find it in south and sardinia

and no , iberians arent lighter than south italians. like it or not lol
hahaha

[crazyladybutterfly]

hahaha

i didnt know iberians were predominantly nordic... :(

[Sikeliot]

Ok I am sick of the arguing in this thread that I did not even ask for it to be bumped.