What do you think of Italy?

[American_Hispanist]

When you hear of Italy, what do you think? (post pictures please)

I came up with the thread after commenting on Peyrol's thread of how people always think of Sicily when thinking of Italy, and I want to see if you guys do the same.

[safinator]

http://www.personal.psu.edu/srh122/italian%201.jpg

[Pepe Gonzalez]

pizza diavoli, tuscany and amalfi coast, rome

[American_Hispanist]

http://www.destination360.com/europe/italy/images/s/italy-rome-colosseum.jpg

http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/62/6223/4B33100Z/posters/prisma-archivo-augustus-61-bc-14-ad-first-roman-emperor-marble-statue-of-augustus-of-prima-porta-1st-century.jpg

http://www.scenicrentals.com/images-travel-guides/holiday-homes-italian-coast-mediterranean-kua-creative-commons-by-sa-picture-photo.jpg

http://m5.paperblog.com/i/0/2470/silvio-berlusconi-and-italian-women-L-sJq1gZ.jpeg

http://oi50.tinypic.com/264njvs.jpg

[American_Hispanist]

pizza diavoli, tuscany and amalfi coast, rome

post pictures please.

[Damião de Góis]

Honestly it was very good before i joined anthroforums.

[gregorius]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Lazzaro_degli_Armeni

And ofcourse monica Bellucci

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DhoUw9ii5cs/UPeMuLnALeI/AAAAAAAABYk/kPbrCgGsdbw/s1600/monica-bellucci-sexy-hot-naked.jpg
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14100000/Monica-Bellucci-monica-bellucci-14169150-1600-1200.jpg

[American_Hispanist]

Honestly it was very good before i joined anthroforums.

fotos por favor Alex, ponga fotos de lo que tú piensas cuando piensas de Italia.

[Smaug]

Nice country, I love it, certainly on my list of Top 5 favourite countries.

[American_Hispanist]

Dam it guys, post pictures.

[Incal]

Probably the best place in the world.

[Peyrol]

http://www.bitontotv.it/cms/uploads/images/0aprile/tricolore_strappato_scappa.jpg

[Arbërori]

I absolutely love it, amazing people, lovely language and overall very supportive of Albanians.

It's also a democratic country, in which the traditional Albanian population was never forced to assimilate, so I consider all Italians my kin in a way. Thy Roman legacy shall live on! :)

[alfieb]

I don't believe a monolithic Italy exists.

When one says "Italy", with no other qualifiers, I think of football and corruption.

[Armand_Duval]

I' ve been to Italy trice and I really love it.

Italy is one of may fave European counties, people's way of being is similar to us, we both are warm and friendly, they make you feel at home.

Italy is full of history, culture and class, in most of its cities you literally stumble with art at every corner.

Italy is: Great people, outstandingly beatuful and friendly women, delicious food and fine wines....What else can we ask from life?.



Cheers.

[Graham]

Good food, Beautiful architecture, style conscious & corrupt.

[Gauthier]

http://imageshack.us/a/img546/3415/623m.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img16/7448/624jm.jpg

[Pepe Gonzalez]

http://files2.caprionline.it/article/6171_I_dintorni_di_Capri/image/2_d.20120515142811.jpg
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwtravel/624_330/images/live/p0/14/69/p01469fs.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VwU_yu0VlmM/T-x9vVBF8-I/AAAAAAAAAc4/rOn6hwJRFNA/s1600/Food_Pizza_Italian_pizza_012868_.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8082/8331344916_454a59c657_z.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/FtxBZApSEQZl.jpg

[alfieb]

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/7448/624jm.jpg

Not exactly.

The American Cosa Nostra is an offshoot of the Sicilian Cosa Nostra. Sicily also has a second mafia called the Stidda. The Canadian Cosa Nostra also exists, and is an offshoot of the American, with some direct influence from the Sicilians.

Calabria's mafia is called the 'Ndrangheta.

[2012JD]

It's my fave country in Europe and when I went, I loved Rome and their graffiti in the metro lol I'm jk, but their food is nice and architecture plus the guys are super flirty . Some pics I took in Rome :

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[Vesuvian Sky]

pft c'mon guys, obvious answer is obviously:

http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/8bitmarioandluigibyjoec.jpg

[alfieb]

http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/8bitmarioandluigibyjoec.jpg
They're from Brooklyn.

http://www.mariowiki.com/Brooklyn


According to the instructional booklet for Mario is Missing! and Super Mario 64's Official Player's Guide, Mario and Luigi grew up in Brooklyn.

[Vesuvian Sky]

They're from Brooklyn.

Oh, I thought it was the Mushroom Kingdom.

[RussiaPrussia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q_ZmBYubCc

[alfieb]

Oh, I thought it was the Mushroom Kingdom.
No, they were sucked into a pipe that brought them there, or something like that. They've never been portrayed, to my knowledge, as natives of that world.

[Ivan Kramskoï]

Truly love the food.

[Peyrol]

So, basically people think about the south ot to NYC.
What a shame...

[Vesuvian Sky]

No, they were sucked into a pipe that brought them there, or something like that. They've never been portrayed, to my knowledge, as natives of that world.


Question: were they from Calabrese, Sicilian or Campanian immigrant parents?:icon_ask:

[Germanicus]

When I think of Italy I think of this..!!







October 28, 1922

Rome, Kingdom of Italy

"March on Rome"

A victory, that's what had been won on this day. The heavy set Italian man surveyed Rome from the balcony and smiled. This was his now, his country was his and only his. The Italian watched as his troops marched along the streets. How simple it was to march on Rome with only an army of less than 30,000 men and still have the king hand over all power to him. The Italian smirked and turned back his back on the street. He walked into the large office and stood before the two men seated in the two chairs in front of the desk.

The younger of the two Italians cowered at the sight of him; his golden eyes squeezed shut, his prominent curl bouncing as the auburn haired man shook. The older one merely glared at the heavy set man; his golden eyes flashing in anger, refusing to say anything to his new leader.

The heavy set Italian frowned; he didn't like their defiance. He would need their cooperation in order to run this country. Didn't they realize that he was there to help their country get back on its feet? Didn't they realize that he would pull them out of their post-war collapse? He was a man of Italy, and he needed the cooperation of the two Italy boys.

"Salve ragazzi, sono Mussolini. D'ora in poi sarò il vostro capo."

Neither of the two Italians said anything. The heavy set man scowled and put his hand on the younger man's shoulder.

"Non salutate il vostro capo?"

Still, neither of the Italian men spoke a word. The younger one started to cry a little at the heavy set man's touch. In anger, the heavy set man struck the younger one across the face, making him cry out.

"Rispondete quando vi parlo!"

The older Italian jumped up from his seat, golden eyes flashing dangerously.

"Non osare toccare Feliciano, bastardo! Non m'interessa chi tu sia, ma non
dovrai mai toccare mio fratello a quel modo!"

The heavy set Italian turned on the older Italian brother and punched him across the face. The older Italian's head snapped to the side, his dark brown hair whipping across his face before he collapsed to the floor.

"Romano! Non fare del male mio fratello!" cried Feliciano, rushing to his brother's side.

The heavy set Italian grabbed the young Italian by the collar and threw him back into his seat, causing him to cry harder. The heavy set Italian forced Feliciano's head up so he was looking at him. From the floor, Romano started to stir.

"Proviamoci di nuovo. Salve, sono Mussolini, il vostro nuovo capo. Potete chiamarmi 'Il Duce.'"

Translation:

Hello boys, I am Mussolini. From now on, I am your boss.

Aren't you going to say hello to your new boss?

You will answer me when I speak to you!

Don't you dare touch Feliciano, you bastard! I don't care who you are, you will not hurt my brother like that!

Romano! Don't hurt my brother!

Let's try this again. Hello, I am Mussolini, your new boss. You may call me 'Il Duce'.

[Peyrol]

Question: were they from Calabrese, Sicilian or Campanian immigrant parents?:icon_ask:

Maybe their parents were the only genovese (so, northern) immigrants in the city, like Rudy Giuliani :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBuOaSk_xrw

[alfieb]

Maybe their parents were the only genovese (so, northern) immigrants in the city, like Rudy Giuliani :lol:

Possible. Sinatra was half-Genovese.

The Mario Bros. surname is indeed Mario, which is most common in Veneto.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Maybe their parents were the only genovese (so, northern) immigrants in the city, like Rudy Giuliani :lol:


Ha! Definitely a long shot for the majority of the north east in general;).

Quite honestly, I am disappointed with this particular lack of detail given to the Mario story.

I demand Nintendo specifically spells out where their immigrant parents came from in Italy!:shakefist

[Peyrol]

Btw, i've a curiosity? There are some famous people of northern italian descents?

I can only think of Rick Santorum and Rudy Giuliani.

[alfieb]

Btw, i've a curiosity? There are some famous people of northern italian descents?

I can only think of Rick Santorum and Rudy Giuliani.

Demi Lovato comes to mind. Name is from the Veneto.

Canadian singer Michael Buble is half Venetian also.

I can't say that I can think of many. :lol:

[Baldur]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkm9yfAg8E1qzmc3p.jpg

[Peyrol]

Demi Lovato comes to mind. Name is from the Veneto.

Canadian singer Michael Buble is half Venetian also.

I can't say that I can think of many. :lol:

I didn't know that...

About Canada, also Linda Evangelista, half roman half venetian.


Not so many, btw...on the other hand, in the Southern Cone is full of people of N.italic descents.

[Sikeliot]

When I think of Italy I think of a nation that was forged out of many distinctive groups that, at one point, saw themselves as separate "nations". I.e. before Italy was unified, a Venetian and a Calabrese would never have conceived of themselves as being of one nation. So essentially I view Italian as a nationality, and Italy as many nations in one, with a culture that has homogenized since unification but still regionally distinct.

[Pepe Gonzalez]

beautiful down to naples, south of naples one big gypsy village

[Methusalem]

Beautiful landscapes, interesting culture and good cuisine.

http://www.bestourism.com/img/items/big/557/Tuscany-in-Italy_Beautiful-landscape_2198.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qrAsr6CrHiA/TTaIwBwWzqI/AAAAAAAAAJY/TyPjJ_DN8Xs/s1600/Unparalleled%2BArchitectural%2BMarvels%25252C%2BIt aly.jpg

http://www.figstraitmine.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Common-Ingredients-Italian-Foods.jpg


Oh yes and Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill....:cool:

http://hillspencer.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/terence-hill-bud-spencer-farbe-11865735-mfbqtemplateidrenderscaledpropertybildheight349.jp g

[Peyrol]

http://lnx.rete3.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/berlusconi-ride1.jpg

[Wolf]

http://www.mailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/italiener_geste.jpg

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/094/e/7/aph___popular_italian_gestures_by_mezzochan-d4v0ngh.png

[Nico]

When I think of Italy I think of incredible and beautiful landscape, great food, close-knit towns and villages, strong disciplined and intelligent men, beautiful and loving women, large families, loyal and eternal friendships, respect, knowing the true meaning of love, soccer, extraordinary inclination towards art, high fashion, and a celebration of life.
Then I look at Italy... Only the food, landscape, and fashion remain with a few exceptions for the rest. I don't know what happened to Italy but it's not the same place it used to be. It's just a weird kind of theatre/carnival existence now and everyone is out to fuck each other over. It's kind of like America.

[Peyrol]

When I think of Italy I think of incredible and beautiful landscape, great food, close-knit towns and villages, strong disciplined and intelligent men, beautiful and loving women, large families, loyal and eternal friendships, respect, knowing the true meaning of love, soccer, extraordinary inclination towards art, high fashion, and a celebration of life.
Then I look at Italy... Only the food, landscape, and fashion remain with a few exceptions for the rest. I don't know what happened to Italy but it's not the same place it used to be. It's just a weird kind of theatre/carnival existence now and everyone is out to fuck each other over. It's kind of like America.

Good old times when italian TFR was 5,9 (1936) and not 1,5 as nowadays...

[Manuel]

Obviously:

http://michelangelo-buonarroti.historiaweb.net/img/cappella-sistina.jpg

http://www.wings900.com/vb/attachments/forum12/25872d1313229356-01bellucci.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01452/fer1_1452403i.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Tiramisu_Fanes.jpg

http://servedfreshmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/1052_MEDIUM.jpg

http://romanempiretours.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/colosseum-rome-rcol42.jpg

http://famouswonders.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/st-marks-basilica.jpg

http://www.bestourism.com/img/items/big/6753/Basilica-Santa-Croce_Dante-Statue_6537.jpg

[Gorštak]

That we had a lot of bloody battles in WW1, actually victory against Italians on Monte Melleta on June 1917 is very known
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31d2VannKML.jpg

Also that Hitler was mad at Italian soldiers in Yugoslavia, while Germans were fighting around against Partisans, Italians were just chilling around:biggrin:

One of our most famous singers Kemal Monteno, is the son of Italian soldier who came to Bosnia during WW2, fall in love with local girl and stayed in Bosnia after war.


Of course I know a lot of ancient Rome, Romulus and Remus etc. , great culture and history of Italy.

That Italians from south are more temperamental than other Italians.

That you love football, Senad Lulic brought victory to Lazio with goal agianst Roma in Cup final:cool:
http://www.zaslike.com/files/baddmu3t1tt2u08tn27a.jpg

Bonelli comics are very popular in Bosnia, especially Zagor who is a big star here;)
Also Alan Ford is popular.

[Peyrol]

Bonelli comics are very popular in Bosnia, especially Zagor who is a big star here;)
Also Alan Ford is popular.

What about Tex, Martin Mystere, Nathan Never and Dylan Dog?

[RandoBloom]

I ussualy think of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxRdyK2drU4

[Austo]

You betrayed us in ww1.
Italy is beautiful country.

[Gorštak]

What about Tex, Martin Mystere, Nathan Never and Dylan Dog?
You can buy here all of them , Dylan, Mister No and Tex are also popular, Nathan and Martin less.
When Sergio Bonelli died texts in his honor were everywhere, he and Gallieno Ferri are very loved here.

[wvwvw]

http://www.mailand.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/italiener_geste.jpg


If this guy is Italian I'm Eskimo ;)

[Drawing-slim]

I use to live in Torino once upon a time. Probably the most industrial city in Italy. Beautiful country as well.
Arguably the most beautiful country in Europe.

[Mortimer]

When you hear of Italy, what do you think? (post pictures please)

I came up with the thread after commenting on Peyrol's thread of how people always think of Sicily when thinking of Italy, and I want to see if you guys do the same.

good food (spaghetti, pizza, lasagne, tortellini, tiramisu etc.).
sea, warm climate, vacation
rich history (roman empire)
italian love (casanova, seducing language, beautiful brunettes)
mafia (al capone etc.)
italian football team, world football cup and a bit of hooliganism and mussolini/fascism thrown in there

[Virtuous]

This question feels ridiculous to me because Malta is pretty much Italy's cousin and we know everything about our cousins ;D

[Prince Carlo]

^^ I am pretty much sure that Maltese women know Italian men very much. Especially in the summer!!11

[Peyrol]

I use to live in Torino once upon a time. Probably the most industrial city in Italy. Beautiful country as well.
Arguably the most beautiful country in Europe.

Where, precisely?

[Wolf]

If this guy is Italian I'm Eskimo ;)

Congratulations on your new nationality! :rolleyes:

[Freeroostah]

Una Faccia Una Razza :cool:

[Drawing-slim]

Where, precisely?

I was homeless:D but precisely I did live inside some abandoned building where they use to make cars, Alfa Romeo or fiat if I'm not mistaking. For about a month i shoul add, than moved in with some friends. Went to Acosta for a short time as well.
Was a young teen, 17yrs old. Year 95. I use to go to the new stadium and watch juventus on sundays, get in without paying..:D
I remember the new model fiat celebration/promotion in the city..
I have vivid images of the city and everything but I can't name much streets..spent about four months there in total and moved to Paris after.

[Ice]

http://tomaatmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/dief.gif
http://cdn.blogosfere.it/sardegna/images/lega%20nord-thumb.jpg
http://trendsupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Silvio-Berlusconi-checks-out-Miss-Italy.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTzVZSJhifYYc_R_nysuLIP_9U8Ryiob ODDsv6tbiE9vU20WYZgOA
http://www.vecchiasignora.it/public/vs/userimg/calciopoli_4.jpg

:cool:

[Peyrol]

I was homeless:D but precisely I did live inside some abandoned building where they use to make cars, Alfa Romeo or fiat if I'm not mistaking.
Was a young teen, 17yrs old. Year 95. I use to go to the new stadium and watch juventus on sundays, get in without paying..:D
I remember the new model fiat celebration/promotion in the city..
I have vivid images of the city and everything but I can't name much streets..spent about four months there in total and moved to Paris after.

I'm glad you liked us, we're a great city, indeed...you can refresh your memory with this great video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBiL2VLPmFo

[Virtuous]

^^ I am pretty much sure that Maltese women know Italian men very much. Especially in the summer!!11

Actually it's more the like: Maltese men know Italian girls quite well (along with Scandinavian, German, Russian etc), since Maltese girls are quite prude and hard to get.

Italians used to come only for vaganze di ferragosto, now I see tourists all year round and lots of em who settle, too.

[Mortimer]

http://static5.depositphotos.com/1008336/486/v/950/depositphotos_4863009-Pizza-Italian.jpg
http://www.bsnpubs.com/london/richmond/10.jpg
http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/210/cache/manarola-italy-coast_21080_990x742.jpg
http://www.strangesports.com/images/content/112160.jpg

[Peyrol]

Actually it's more the like: Maltese men know Italian girls quite well (along with Scandinavian, German, Russian etc), since Maltese girls are quite prude and hard to get.

Italians used to come only for vaganze di ferragosto, now I see tourists all year round and lots of em who settle, too.

This remind me of the viral video of italian guys in Malta on Yt :eek:

[Peyrol]

Anyway, that's what i think of Italy:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2914/todu.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/todu.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.soniaalfano.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/capaci.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/7/78/Bprovenzano.jpg/250px-Bprovenzano.jpg

^
(both these images are connected...)

http://www.lisistrata.com/lisistrata3/images/uploads/02Milano_3-1-09_Pz_Duomo.jpg

http://www.today.it/~media/zoom/50260029616041/casa-lavoro-e-sanita.jpg

http://www.codic.cat/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/codic-cat-328-veneto-is-not-italy.png

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/history/1848/italy_1848.gif

[Prince Carlo]

This remind me of the viral video of italian guys in Malta on Yt :eek:

Hehehe. 80% of Italian tourists in Malta are young males. I wonder why they go there. :D

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/history/1848/italy_1848.gif

Too bad that the Austrians were defeated. :(

[Peyrol]

Hehehe. 80% of Italian tourists in Malta are young males. I wonder why they go there. :D

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/history/1848/italy_1848.gif

Too bad that the Austrians were defeated. :(

My lombard great-(...)-great-grandfater fought with austrian army in the battle of Magenta and Montebello...i still have his dismissal written in deutsch and his eisenkreuz, lol.

Too bad that Francischiello was too religious and didn't accepted the Cavour and Bonaparte's proposal of became king of an hypotetical southern italian kingdom with many papal territories.

[Prince Carlo]

My lombard great-(...)-great-grandfater fought with austrian army in the battle of Magenta and Montebello...i still have his dismissal written in deutsch and his eisenkreuz, lol.

Too bad that Francischiello was too religious and didn't accepted the Cavour and Bonaparte's proposal of became king of an hypotetical southern italian kingdom with many papal territories.

Even if he had accepted, he couldn't have done much against the superior military forces of the kingdom of Sardinia.

[Peyrol]

Even if he had accepted, he couldn't have done much against the superior military forces of the kingdom of Sardinia.

Do you think?

Numerically, duosicilan army was larger than the garibaldini...the main problem was probabily the corruption among generals.

[Prince Carlo]

Do you think?

Numerically, duosicilan army was larger than the garibaldini...the main problem was probabily the corruption among generals.

Sicilians and most of the common people disliked the Borbons and joined in masse the Garibaldini. The decisive battle was won by the Kingdom of Sardinia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Gaeta_(1860)

[WOOHP]

Firstly: Italian Americans.

Then I think of gestures and Italian hotbloodness, the North and Central/South divide, Italian cuisine and Italian men and how disrespectful they can be sometimes.

[liamliam]

http://www.radiof2.unina.it/wp-content/uploads/DeanMartin-ThatsAmore-20100011.jpg

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/613618/613618,1284617687,1/stock-photo-classic-italian-food-setting-with-pizza-pasta-salad-and-wine-61088116.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m98wm36Bfa1rq4s9eo1_400.jpg

http://globerove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/italian-mafia.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9mnnNGnRapV-aWOBvNq7L-34EUtpxRec8apbV7aa5GN-yKS4e

http://holidayblog.easyjet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trevi-Fountain.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zsY3QIr85SE/Tb5hMPyiivI/AAAAAAAAABg/IkicSVWLL6k/s1600/Trevi+Fountain+%25281%2529.JPG

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4146/5058424668_521ed04f16_z.jpg

[101DT]

http://imageshack.us/a/img199/5600/gdp1.png



Italy is a divided country on almost every level;
Economically; Genetically; Anthropologically; Historically, Linguistically;
should have never united in 1861;


Di Gaetano et al 2012
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0043759
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0043759.g002&representation=PNG_M
A. Scatter Plot of the Italian population of the first two principal components obtained via R software (prcomp). Individuals included belong to Northern Italy : black dots, Central Italy : red dots, Southern Italy : green dots, Sardinian: blue dots.
B. Italian population without the Sardinian-projected scatter plot of the first two principal components obtained via the R software (prcomp). Both analyses were based on 125,799 autosomal SNPs and 1,014 individuals for the Italian dataset and 746 individuals for the Italian dataset without Sardinia.

Ralph & Coop et al 2012
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1001555
Spain and Portugal showing very few common ancestors with other populations over the last 2,500 years. However, the rate of IBD sharing within the peninsula is much higher than within Italy—during the last 1,500 years the Iberian peninsula shares fewer than two genetic common ancestors with other populations, compared to roughly 30 per pair within the peninsula; Italians share on average only about eight with each other during this period.


The historical regions of Italy should divide again; hopefully Venetia makes a start in Oct.

[Peyrol]

Sicilians and most of the common people disliked the Borbons and joined in masse the Garibaldini. The decisive battle was won by the Kingdom of Sardinia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Gaeta_(1860)

The original plain of 2-3 states for the Peninsula would have been a better option for all...for us because of the future massive southern immigration into north, wich would have never happened with an independent south state...for ''you'', because you would probabily be in a better socioeconomical situation than now.

[MelinusMargos]

I see italy as a forced union of nations with a own identity, i mainly identify this 8 distinct nations:
- Friuli (actual Friuli)
- Venetia (actual Veneto)
- Lombardy (Piedmont except occitan valleys+Emilia+Lombardy+Canton Ticino of Switzerland + parts of Lunigiana and debateable presence of Valle d'Aosta)
- Liguria (actual liguria + parts of Lunigiana)
- Romagna (with northern Marche)
- Central + Southern Italy(Tuscany IMO is a deabatable nation but could be one)
- Sicily
- Sardinia

I'd prefer a federal southern gallic state union composed of Catalunya, Occitania and Lombardy, Romagna, Liguria, Venetia and Friuli compared to Italy.

[Maximum Speed]

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/094/e/7/aph___popular_italian_gestures_by_mezzochan-d4v0ngh.png

Gesturing while talking, allows us to express the concepts in a better way. When a person speaks without moving a muscle is extremely tedious.
In fact, all of the greatest orators gesturing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOv-Ncs7vQk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgwyuWMzGEs

[WOOHP]

I'd prefer a federal southern gallic state union composed of Catalunya, Occitania and Lombardy, Romagna, Liguria, Venetia and Friuli compared to Italy.

You need the Occitans approval, and they seem not interested.

Or maybe you want to create your new nation by force?

[Xárszászát]

You betrayed us in ww1.
Italy is beautiful country.
Utterly false.

Firstly: Italian Americans.

Then I think of gestures and Italian hotbloodness, the North and Central/South divide, Italian cuisine and Italian men and how disrespectful they can be sometimes.
Italian American are not Italians.
They mostly don't speak Italian and if they do, it's a utterly different language from modern Italian.

The original plain of 2-3 states for the Peninsula would have been a better option for all...for us because of the future massive southern immigration into north, wich would have never happened with an independent south state...for ''you'', because you would probabily be in a better socioeconomical situation than now.
Nowadays, with all the blood spilt, in my opinion Italy starts from Alps and reaches Lampedusa.
Yes, I know there are countless problems which we (as Italians) do know very well, but nonetheless I do believe in a united Italy.
Though I must admit that sometimes I would have preferred to stay with Austrian Empire.

[Wolf]

I see italy as a forced union of nations with a own identity.

Italy should become a federal state like Germany.



Utterly false.

Why?

[MelinusMargos]

Italy should become a federal state like Germany.




Why?

No, federalism is still unacceptable from my point of wiew. Italy is not a nation and so should be dismembered into the real nations.

[MelinusMargos]

You need the Occitans approval, and they seem not interested.

Or maybe you want to create your new nation by force?

It was not a nation idea, it was just a union idea like an UE of gallic states. why should I create it by force?

[Spacchiu]

the nation most envied

[Wolf]

Italy is not a nation and so should be dismembered into the real nations.

In Switzerland its works quite good.



the nation most envied

:rolleyes:

[Spacchiu]

I see italy as a forced union of nations with a own identity, i mainly identify this 8 distinct nations:
- Friuli (actual Friuli)
- Venetia (actual Veneto)
- Lombardy (Piedmont except occitan valleys+Emilia+Lombardy+Canton Ticino of Switzerland + parts of Lunigiana and debateable presence of Valle d'Aosta)
- Liguria (actual liguria + parts of Lunigiana)
- Romagna (with northern Marche)
- Central + Southern Italy(Tuscany IMO is a deabatable nation but could be one)
- Sicily
- Sardinia

I'd prefer a federal southern gallic state union composed of Catalunya, Occitania and Lombardy, Romagna, Liguria, Venetia and Friuli compared to Italy.

:picard2:

[MelinusMargos]

:picard2:

Man, I know most people don't agree at all, but that's what I think, I respect everyone, but this is reality, nations aren't created on paper.
State =/= nation

[Clawgauth]

I think This.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Alboin%27s_Italy.gif
http://www.ilibrarian.net/history/italian_city_states_1494_lg.jpg

[Xárszászát]

Italy should become a federal state like Germany.




Why?

I'll quote myself from another forum:
NOTE: All provocative point aren't against you.
"«The Foreign minister has willingly introduced the matter of Italian attitude towards an eventual European war.
Since Triple Allince is a defensive alliance; since our measures against Serbia can lead to a European war; and, in the end, as we haven't consulted about this Italian government beforehand, Italy wouldn't be forced to join us in the following war.
This, however, doesn't forcefully preclude the alternative that Italy might, incase, decide by itself if its interests were better served by joining us instead of remaining neutral.
Personally, I am more prone to fist option, the more likely, providing that Italian interest in the Balkan peninsula are protected and providing that we don't look for changes which are likely to give us a dominance in Balkans that would be harmful for Italian interests.
"
Telegram from Austrian Ambassador Von Merey to Count Berchtold, 30th July 1914.
Triple Alliance committed both Italy and Austria to inform each other of diplomatic initiatives (as a matter of fact, Italy had sought Austrian backing before waging war against Turkey).
Austria didn't act according to this principle twice: in 1909 when it annexed Bosnia-Herzegovina and then in 1914.
Plus, Austria not only always refused to give concessions to Italy but both in 1878 and 1909 acted like Italy was a second-rate country basing its attitude on its major strenght, then when Rome had a considerable strength (in diplomatic terms) Italy didn't even denounce the Triple Alliance but it merely announced its neutrality perfectly according to terms of the alliance.
Plus, in 1909 when Austria annexed Bosnia they said to Italian Ambassador that "Austria has simply put on its shoulders the weight of European peace".
Italian foreign minister proposed to A-H and Germany to send 5 Army Corps (1/3 of Italian Army) on the Rhine basing on a communicate of Cadorna written on 31st July 1914.
No responses were given, in the following weeks Austria repeated its promises of territories in the Middle East, promises given from 1878 and now, with the entrance of the Ottoman Empire, evidenly irrealistic.
Despite pressure from Von Buelow (German ambassador in Rome from 16th December 1914) to give Italian territories in A-H, Austria firmly refused offering compensation in Albania.
Between 20th and 31st December Von Buelow offered Trentino and more autonomy for Italians at Trieste and on 24th January 1915 Giolitti even published an article that stated that "much can be obtained without bloodshed".
Though, on 12th February the newly appointed, on 13th January 1915, Austria foreign minister Von Burian refused whatever concessions even denying the proposal of giving territories in Albania.
We have to consider that Conrad had proposed to attack Italy (a pre-emptive strike be clear) in 1909 after Messina earthquake and in 1911 exploiting the fact that Italy was engaged in Italo-Turkish, due to this Conrad was temporarily dismissed.
Then, when Russian were occupying the entire Galicia, suddenly Austria offered much more but after the conclusion of war.
Now, I ask you: Why should have Italy fought an impossible (since most of imports relied on Allies' nations) war alongside with an ally which betrayed, defamed and despised Italy?"

[cally]

Beautiful people, amazing culture, cuisine ect :)

[Wolf]

I'll quote myself from another forum:
NOTE: All provocative point aren't against you.

Nice try, but this thread is not the right place fur such a discussion.



Now, I ask you: Why should have Italy fought an impossible (since most of imports relied on Allies' nations) war alongside with an ally which betrayed, defamed and despised Italy?"[/I]

Now, I ask you: why couldn't Italy have stayed neutral?

[xajapa]

Tradition, in the best sense of the word.

[YeshAtid]

http://www.jaunted.com/files/3/riccione_womens_only_beach.jpg