do bosniaks feel closer to european christians or to mid-eastern muslims

[Mortimer]

it is not to provoke im just curious. from real life experience bosniaks tend to somehow stick to themselfes but if they are in Groups with others it is usually albos and turks (for foreigners) but also some are very integrated and are with native austrians and also with other yugoslavs like croats. i think it is still a Problem that a bosniak marries a serb. but it is not a Problem to marry a turk or arab. other european christians are inbetween.

how the bosniaks here see it?

[sido]

Non,we are special,so it makes us special

Turks sometimes,albanians not that often

Serbs we hang out with sometimes too,but marriage is taboo(in my area)

[Methmatician]

If it's one of those Christian countries that aren't really Christian then probably that Christian nation. But if they're really religious then probably not. Same goes for Middle-Eastern Muslims; too religious=no, more secular=yes. A lot of Bosniak Muslims will claim solidarity with other Muslims but I doubt they'd willingly life their Islamic lifestyle.

[Bosnjakinja]

If it's one of those Christian countries that aren't really Christian then probably that Christian nation. But if they're really religious then probably not. Same goes for Middle-Eastern Muslims; too religious=no, more secular=yes. A lot of Bosniak Muslims will claim solidarity with other Muslims but I doubt they'd willingly life their Islamic lifestyle.

This. Bosniaks in the diaspora tend to hang out most with former Yugoslavs. And they marry quite frequently with native Europeans (Mraz mentioned something about this, I think he lives in Belgium).

Marriage with Serbs generally isn't liked but it happens and gets accepted by friends and family over time.

[sido]

This. Bosniaks in the diaspora tend to hang out most with former Yugoslavs. And they marry quite frequently with native Europeans (Mraz mentioned something about this, I think he lives in Belgium).

Marriage with Serbs generally isn't liked but it happens and gets accepted by friends and family over time.

Only if they live in places with not that many Bosniaks around.Like Belgium or Norway

[Bosnjakinja]

Only if they live in places with not that many Bosniaks around.Like Belgium or Norway

Yes of course, if there are more of them then they will more likely marry their own.

Despot and Gospodine live in Australia, they can probably tell how the situation is there.

[CrystalMaiden]

Kebab>non-Kebab.

[wvwvw]

Closer to their Serbian and Croatian neighbours, at least those who are irreligious.

[CrystalMaiden]

Closer to their Serbian and Croatian neighbours, at least those who are irreligious.

And who the fuck are you to speak in our name?

[wvwvw]

And who the fuck are you to speak in our name?

Read what Bosnjakinja wrote. It makes sense



This. Bosniaks in the diaspora tend to hang out most with former Yugoslavs. And they marry quite frequently with native Europeans (Mraz mentioned something about this, I think he lives in Belgium).

Marriage with Serbs generally isn't liked but it happens and gets accepted by friends and family over time.

[CrystalMaiden]

Read what Bosnjakinja wrote. It makes sense

That's Bošnjakina's opinion, a wrong one, but still a BOSNIAK opinion.

[Permafrost]

I grew up surrounded by Bosniak neighbours, and I can say they integrate very well. Also, Bosniak girls don't seem to mind me too much... can't say the same about their parents though :p

[Hurrem sultana]

Most will not feel close to anyone,beside balkanians,turks

bosniaks in general are weird people,they will talk about "we muslims are best bla bla" but at the same time they live not any different than non muslims,except few things

[Hurrem sultana]

stop with offtopic,i deleted it

[Ultra]

My experience is that they like to associate themselves with Turks and sometimes Arabs and other MENA/East Africans. I've seen this in school since I was a kid, outside of school in the city and the few times I've been in ghettos, and now lately in the recent Husby- & other ghetto-related riotings. :rolleyes:
Muslims here seem to like to associate with other muslims rather than those of the same or a closely related ethnicity. I know the few Christian Arabs that I know of either stick to themselves or with other orthodox Christians & Swedes... Though, they still tend to dislike and keep distance Swedes to some level.




That's Bošnjakina's opinion, a wrong one, but still a BOSNIAK opinion.
Opinions can be 'wrong ones' now? Well I should know, seeing as how I live in the world's most PC country Sweden.

[singular]

they will talk about "we muslims are best bla bla" but at the same time they live not any different than non muslims,except few things

Now, ain't that messed up?

[Hurrem sultana]

Now, ain't that messed up?

Not more than serbs swearing at God and Jesus yet claiming they are orthodox ,thats Balkan :D

[CrystalMaiden]

Kebab>non-Kebab.

BAMP FOR RELEVANCE!!!

[morski]

Not more than serbs swearing at God and Jesus yet claiming they are orthodox ,thats Balkan :D

No, it's not Balkan. Western Balkans is not the whole peninsula.

[singular]

Not more than serbs swearing at God and Jesus yet claiming they are orthodox ,thats Balkan :D

Not really comparable, since Islam revolves around the discipline, and Christianity is all about redemption. But still, not many true believers in the Balkans.

[Hurrem sultana]

Not really comparable, since Islam revolves around the discipline, and Christianity is all about redemption. But still, not many true believers in the Balkans.

No not really,its all same,just that christianity lost it long time ago

[Hurrem sultana]

No, it's not Balkan. Western Balkans is not the whole peninsula.

i see it in macedonia too,i guess its a ex yu thing

[Lucifer]

i think we're closer to the nations that also lived under socialist/communist regimes, for the older generations at least.

[Duke]

to other muslims


BTW Bosniaks, or Muslims only inhabit 22% of BiH land

[CrystalMaiden]

to other muslims

Yup.


BTW Bosniaks, or Muslims only inhabit 22% of BiH land


BTW Croats represent less than 15% of total population and that number is constantly decreasing thanks to retards like yourself, while those 22% have increased to 32% (under 10 years) thanks to your kind :)

[Arbërori]

Most Bosniaks I've met usually socialized with other Yugo people, Albanians and other Balkanites.
Many also socialized with Slovenians only, but then again, there aren't any black or MENA people here.

[dralos]

for bosniaks i think it is serbs and turks the most and they all love eachother

[dralos]

Most Bosniaks I've met usually socialized with other Yugo people, Albanians and other Balkanites.
Many also socialized with Slovenians only, but then again, there aren't any black or MENA people here.
not with albanians

[Duke]

Yup.




BTW Croats represent less than 15% of total population and that number is constantly decreasing thanks to retards like yourself, while those 22% have increased to 32% (under 10 years) thanks to your kind :)

in your dreams maybe :)

[Arbërori]

not with albanians

Lie to someone else.

[dralos]

Lie to someone else.
i'm not lying its the truth,ushtari said it once too that they rarely interact with alboz while they are like bloodbrothers with servs

[iNird]

Well I think they feel closest to Serbs and Croatians. I know a few Bosniaks and they really don't associate much with Albanians. But you do have some more religious kind and go out and marry with Indian, Pakis and Arabs something which is almost unheard of from the Albos here.

[Lucifer]

to other muslims


BTW Bosniaks, or Muslims only inhabit 22% of BiH land

22% is municipalities with bosniak ethnic majority and around 30% is more accurate, otherwise it's more complex than this.

[Hurrem sultana]

Well I think they feel closest to Serbs and Croatians. I know a few Bosniaks and they really don't associate much with Albanians. But you do have some more religious kind and go out and marry with Indian, Pakis and Arabs something which is almost unheard of from the Albos here.

Nope thats the last 2 we feel close to.As i said people dont really feel close to anyone,we have become unique

[sido]

Well I think they feel closest to Serbs and Croatians. I know a few Bosniaks and they really don't associate much with Albanians. But you do have some more religious kind and go out and marry with Indian, Pakis and Arabs something which is almost unheard of from the Albos here.

I think albos feel close to chechens ,at least udging by this forum

[singular]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Islam teaches you that every Muslim in the world is your kinsman, no matter what nation he belongs to, and that you can not consider your own brother a real brother if he is not Muslim.
So, how can they possibly feel closer to European Christians than Saudi Arabians?

[CrystalMaiden]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Islam teaches you that every Muslim in the world is your kinsman, no matter what nation he belongs to, and that you can not consider your own brother a real brother if he is not Muslim.
So, how can they possibly feel closer to European Christians than Saudi Arabians?

So does Christianity :lol:

At least Islam recognizes tribes and the boundaries of these tribes :coffee:

It true TBH, I feel more connected to a Turk or Syrian than an Italian, Russian or Belorussian. But that doesn't mean I want any of these people in my country.

[sido]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Islam teaches you that every Muslim in the world is your kinsman, no matter what nation he belongs to, and that you can not consider your own brother a real brother if he is not Muslim.
So, how can they possibly feel closer to European Christians than Saudi Arabians?

we dont

nobody here said we do

[singular]

So does Christianity :lol:

That is not true.


But it true TBH, I feel more connected to a Turk or Syrian than an Italian, Russian or Belorussian.

I'm glad to hear that.

[singular]

we dont

nobody here said we do

Actually, that Albo guy sad that you do.

[CrystalMaiden]

That is not true.

Yes it does.


I'm glad to hear that.

I am glad that you are glad :)

[sido]

Actually, that Albo guy sad that you do.

Who is an albo to speak in our name? we say we dont

[Loki]

Are there many Bosniak girls who marry Arabs? How widespread is this? Would they prefer an Arab over a Western European?

[Arbërori]

Tbh, in Slovenia, Bosniaks socialize alot with Albanians. Funnily enough, it's actually the Serbs that usually distance themselves from other Balkanites and dream of socializing with Russians. :lol:

Most Russians I know socialize with Slovenians, Poles and Italians, they don't feel much kinship towards Balkan Slavs, maybe religiously, but that's it.

[sido]

Are there many Bosniak girls who marry Arabs? How widespread is this? Would they prefer an Arab over a Western European?

We would prefer NON

only Bosniak

[Loki]

We would prefer NON

only Bosniak

Certainly not all Bosniaks think the same as you do.

[sido]

Most do

[Baldur]

Certainly not all Bosniaks think the same as you do.

Thou shall delete your dreams of marrying a bosniak woman, its better to find a christian one.

[singular]

Who is an albo to speak in our name? we say we dont

Okay, don't be mad.

[sido]

Actually i would marry maybe a turk yes,but all others no

[Arbërori]

No way Bosniaks would rather marry Arabs than Western Europeans...

But in general, they tend to date only amongst eachother, like us. I do not know about the religious freaks, but intermarriage with other Yugoslavs, although it used to be frequent, is nowadays quite rare.

My best friend, a Bosniak model, is currently dating a Croatian-Serb guy, he converted to Islam for her.

[sido]

My best friend, a Bosniak model, is currently dating a Croatian-Serb guy, he converted to Islam for her.

I support that,spread the word lol

[Lucifer]

My best friend, a Bosniak model, is currently dating a Croatian-Serb guy, he converted to Islam for her.

to this i say mashallah :D

[Arbërori]

I support that,spread the word lol

He's a really good guy and never really identified with Christianity... Ima da postamo ovu godinu zajedno. :P

[Loki]

Thou shall delete your dreams of marrying a bosniak woman, its better to find a christian one.

No I will not. Sido doesn't speak for all Bosniak women. Some of them have genuine taste :)

[iNird]

Nope thats the last 2 we feel close to.As i said people dont really feel close to anyone,we have become unique

I'm only judging based on some Bosnian diaspora in the States. They attend Serbian/Croatian clubs and events (and vice versa) and usually have other Yugo friends. And then there's the minority that does date/marry with other Muslims from the Middle East.


I think albos feel close to chechens ,at least udging by this forum

Good one.

[sido]

No I will not. Sido doesn't speak for all Bosniak women. Some of them have genuine taste :)

whats wrong with christian women? find yourself one beautfiul afrikaner woman,you guys are few,,you need to have many kids to continue living on :D

[Loki]

I support that,spread the word lol

I thought you said Bosnian women don't do it. There's at least one example. Arberori also dated a Bosniak girl previously. There are many other examples ...

[Arbërori]

Tbh, I'd rather marry a Bosniak woman than a Western European one.

Bosniak women are per average very beautiful, well mannered, obeyful and they know how to cook. They're disgusted by interracial dating and they're usually quite racist, but still attain this natural charm. And mind you, they do have one of the best asses on the Balkans, that I assure you! :P

[Loki]

whats wrong with christian women? find yourself one beautfiul afrikaner woman,you guys are few,,you need to have many kids to continue living on :D

I have my own tastes, thanks :)

[Loki]

Tbh, I'd rather marry a Bosniak woman than a Western European one.


Me too.

[Baldur]

No I will not. Sido doesn't speak for all Bosniak women. Some of them have genuine taste :)

Well why play with fire when you have croatian, serbian, slovenian, bulgarian, macedonian and montenegrin girls who are christian and equally hot?

[Arbërori]

I thought you said Bosnian women don't do it. There's at least one example. Arberori also dated a Bosniak girl previously. There are many other examples ...

Well, he's technically almost genetically Bosniak, since they're genetically in between (not saying they're the same nation, but they do overlap).

So? Some Albanian girls also date non-Albanians, doesn't mean majority does. I also know a girl, well educated and also a part-time model, she went to meet a guy in Sarajevo to get married.

[Loki]

Well why play with fire when you have croatian, serbian, slovenian, bulgarian, macedonian and montenegrin girls who are christian and equally hot?

Because my taste is specialized. And no, it's not playing with fire.

[Loki]

So? Some Albanian girls also date non-Albanians, doesn't mean majority does. I also know a girl, well educated and also a part-time model, she went to meet a guy in Sarajevo to get married.

That's my point. One can't really generalize, there will always be exceptions.

[sido]

lol loki,why do you like bosniak women so much :D

[Lucifer]

sido is obviously very conservative woman, but truth is that most are not like her, sadly.
my own cousin went for belgian man, he converted.

[iNird]

lol loki,why do you like bosniak women so much :D

Well he's desperate so he's going for the easiest thing. 40 year and unmarried. I joke I joke.

:D

[Arbërori]

lol loki,why do you like bosniak women so much :D

Who doesn't? :P IMHO Bosniak women are the most beautiful among former Yugos.

[Loki]

lol loki,why do you like bosniak women so much :D

Because I have good taste.

[Arbërori]

I'd marry all the Bosniak members here, especially LunaRose. We'd choose Mecca as our honeymoon... :P

[sido]

sido is obviously very conservative woman, but truth is that most are not like her, sadly.
my own cousin went for belgian man, he converted.

No that is not true,rather your cousin is more liberal than average

[Loki]

Well he's desperate so he's going for the easiest thing. 40 year and unmarried. I joke I joke.

:D

I'm not desperate, neither do I consider Bosniaks an "easy alternative". Much easier to get an English girl here. But I have a connoisseur's judgement when it comes to women.

[sido]

are you 40? ?

[Loki]

I'd marry all the Bosniak members here, especially LunaRose. We'd choose Mecca as our honeymoon... :P

No you wouldn't. You're gay :)

[Baldur]

So how and where are you going to find her Loki :D ?

[Loki]

are you 40? ?

Yes, I thought everyone knew. :)

[Arbërori]

No you wouldn't. You're gay :)

You wish! :P But my heart does belong to XX.

[Loki]

So how and where are you going to find her Loki :D ?

I don't know yet.

[sido]

Yes, I thought everyone knew. :)

why didnt you marry before?

[Loki]

why didnt you marry before?

Because my life has been busy, I also emigrated from South Africa etc. I'm glad I'm single, because my decisions now would be a lot different from what it was, say, 10 years ago.

[Baldur]

I don't know yet.

well i wish you the best of luck then, hope you find the woman of your dreams :thumb001:

[CrystalMaiden]

why didnt you marry before?

Sihri...

[CrystalMaiden]

well i wish you the best of luck then, hope you find the woman of your dreams :thumb001:

I usually hunt them in their nightmares after few months :coffee:

[Lucifer]

I'm not desperate, neither do I consider Bosniaks an "easy alternative". Much easier to get an English girl here. But I have a connoisseur's judgement when it comes to women.

to be short, when you marry one bosniak, convert and shut up the rest of your life :P

[sido]

Sihri...


'hahahhaa..jedino hodza moze pomoci

[CrystalMaiden]

'hahahhaa..jedino hodza moze pomoci

Samo Džemila!

[Loki]

Samo Džemila!

Who is Džemila? :)

[CrystalMaiden]

Who is Džemila? :)

Džemila is the great Seer of Bosnia.

[Baldur]

Džemila is the great Seer of Bosnia.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHX0UeWMQG4

[sido]

ah dzemila ah dzemila :D

[ChocolateFace]

My best friend, a Bosniak model, is currently dating a Croatian-Serb guy, he converted to Islam for her.

He is Bosnian now

[iNird]

He is Bosnian know

Bosniak. But ye pretty much.

[ChocolateFace]

Bosniak. But ye pretty much.

yea**

:p

[Arbërori]

*Arberori mode*

I would convert to Orthodoxism for you and let you love me with your crucifix all night long.

*Arberori mode off*

http://i.imgur.com/Cg8g6Au.gif

[Arbërori]

He is Bosnian now

I think his Serbian side might originate in Bosnia, so he technically is Orthodox Bosniak.

[Loki]

whats wrong with christian women? find yourself one beautfiul afrikaner woman,you guys are few,,you need to have many kids to continue living on :D

You are right. I was a fool to think otherwise ...

[Baldur]

You are right. I was a fool to think otherwise ...

lol what made you give up so easy?

[Loki]

lol what made you give up so easy?

I had to face reality. I was dreaming too much.

[Baldur]

I had to face reality. I was dreaming too much.

Meh, reality is not this forum mate. There are a princess out there for you if u really want to find her.

[Loki]

Meh, reality is not this forum mate. There are a princess out there for you if u really want to find her.

Yes, but one can gain a lot of understanding about certain cultures in communication.

[Baldur]

Yes, but one can gain a lot of understanding about certain cultures in communication.

not really this kinds of forums only attracts some types of people. however its stupid to decide that your wife will be some nationaity better to find someone that is right for u instead of trying to decide a nationallity beforehand.

[Loki]

not really this kinds of forums only attracts some types of people. however its stupid to decide that your wife will be some nationaity better to find someone that is right for u instead of trying to decide a nationallity beforehand.

One can narrow down a search. :) Besides, it comes down to what I want or not.

[Baldur]

One can narrow down a search. :) Besides, it comes down to what I want or not.

Christian girls is the best and not haram for you. Croatian and montenegrin = superior.

[Loki]

Christian girls is the best and not haram for you. Croatian and montenegrin = superior.

Sounds good. What about Serbs?

[sido]

Loki why dont you like afrikaner women?

[Loki]

Loki why dont you like afrikaner women?

I just don't. It's like kissing my sisters.

[Baldur]

Sounds good. What about Serbs?

serbs too obviously.

[Sisak]

Non,we are special,so it makes us special

Turks sometimes,albanians not that often

Serbs we hang out with sometimes too,but marriage is taboo(in my area)

I don't understand whay bosnian Muslims dislike Albanians? Is this like that only on theapricity or also in the real life?

[Gospodine]

I don't understand whay bosnian Muslims dislike Albanians?

I don't understand why people think the two groups should automatically have some unspoken bond just by virtue of being nominally Muslim or having some outstanding feud with the Serbs.

It's not like those two criteria are a solid foundation for a true alliance and by that same logic Croats and Albanians should be brethren too.

Bosniaks and Albanians don't share the same language, culture nor history; it's normal that they're going to have pretty neutral feelings towards one another despite being relatively close geographically.


That being said; what you see on TA is not representative of any one ethnicity in real-life.

[sido]

who told you we dont like albos? we feel some kind of bond,we and them are the only muslim peoples ,but i also have prejudice and some form of looking down on them

but when it comes to political problems bosniaks usually support them over serbs

[Guapo]

who told you we dont like albos? we feel some kind of bond,we and them are the only muslim peoples ,but i also have prejudice and some form of looking down on them

but when it comes to political problems bosniaks usually support them over serbs

Weird...

[sido]

No not really

[Guapo]

Yes, what would Freud say?

[sido]

I have no idea,help?

[Baldur]

i think mid-eastern muslims.

[sido]

we also have many islamic traditions in common.,and food too...

[el22]

I don't understand why people think the two groups should automatically have some unspoken bond just by virtue of being nominally Muslim or having some outstanding feud with the Serbs.

It's not like those two criteria are a solid foundation for a true alliance and by that same logic Croats and Albanians should be brethren too.

Bosniaks and Albanians don't share the same language, culture nor history; it's normal that they're going to have pretty neutral feelings towards one another despite being relatively close geographically.


That being said; what you see on TA is not representative of any one ethnicity in real-life.

This is the first time I find your post logical from the beginning to the end.

[Loki]

That being said; what you see on TA is not representative of any one ethnicity in real-life.

That's good to know ...

[Guapo]

I have no idea,help?

nationalism is a mental disorder.

[Cokolino]

nationalism is a mental disorder.

It's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.
It's when one has to degrade other nations
in order to feel superior or that sorts...that's
when it becomes a disorder...and one spends
time googling swarty people from other
ethnicities :P

[Hurrem sultana]

I am nationalist and proud! after whats happened to my people nationalist is the least we can be

[Guapo]

It's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.
It's when one has to degrade other nations
in order to feel superior or that sorts...that's
when it becomes a disorder...and one spends
time googling swarty people from other
ethnicities :P

thats called patriotism.

[Sisak]

Nations who the most humiliating other nations it is a real indication that they do not have their own culture and identity, they feel inferior and full of complex.

[safinator]

Nations who the most humiliating other nations it is a real indication that they do not have their own culture and identity, they feel inferior and full of complex.

Wise words my love.

[Guapo]

Wise words my love.

get lost, she's mine.

[justme]

Weird...
Out of all the Balkan countries Albanians tend to get along better with Croatians and Slovenians. Bosnians yes too as well, but they think we are weird.

[Sisak]

Maid Hećimović. Is he a Croat or a Bosniak? In Croatia we have surname Hećimovic.
http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2014-01-28/428613_dsc5384--copy_f.jpg?ver=1391032739

[Seraph of the End]

Maid Hećimović. Is he a Croat or a Bosniak? In Croatia we have surname Hećimovic.
http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2014-01-28/428613_dsc5384--copy_f.jpg?ver=1391032739

I think he's a Bosniak.
*btw, he's a good singer, one of the best in the show :'P*

[Sisak]

I think he's a Bosniak.
*btw, he's a good singer, one of the best in the show :'P*

and handsome too.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

They only feel closer to religious Turks who support Neo Ottomanism or advocating religious lifestyle ..Not to secular Turks and not Turanists .We are not Ummah for them :D

Some of them still angry with us because of khalifah and Ottoman State

[RandoBloom]

They only feel closer to religious Turks who support Neo Ottomanism or advocating religious lifestyle ..Not to secular Turks and not Turanists .We are not Ummah for them :D

Some of them still angry with us because of khalifah and Ottoman State

Not closer. Simply friendlier due to Turanists and seculars not helping Bosnia in any way. Same reason why I hate England and France who blocked all the resolutions and actions, and kept the embargo going for years.

[Methmatician]

They only feel closer to religious Turks who support Neo Ottomanism or advocating religious lifestyle ..Not to secular Turks and not Turanists .We are not Ummah for them :D

Some of them still angry with us because of khalifah and Ottoman State
The more religious Bosniaks like Ciko and Dado support and like Osmanophile Turks because the Ottoman Turks controlled the last caliphate and they wish to restore it.

[Lucifer]

The more religious Bosniaks like Ciko and Dado support and like Osmanophile Turks because the Ottoman Turks controlled the last caliphate and they wish to restore it.

i'm not osmanophile or pro turks man.
i would be for getting rid of turkish elements in our islam and base it on arabic one which is the only true path from jeddah to jakarta.

[Methmatician]

i'm not osmanophile or pro turks man.
i would be for getting rid of turkish elements in our islam and base it on arabic one which is the only true path from jeddah to jakarta.
Yeah, that sounds like Dado as well. Even worse.

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

i'm not osmanophile or pro turks man.
i would be for getting rid of turkish elements in our islam and base it on arabic one which is the only true path from jeddah to jakarta.

ofcourse ...if you do , they will say nationalism is haram and turn you into Bosniak speaking Arabs

check this please ..Ummah Muslim forum ,you will shiver http://www.ummah.com/forum/
Even watching anime is haram ..would Bosniaks like this lifestyle ?

[justme]

I don't understand whay bosnian Muslims dislike Albanians? Is this like that only on theapricity or also in the real life?
Maybe because we are more accepting of non Muslims in our Albanian society...

[justme]

Most Bosniaks I've met usually socialized with other Yugo people, Albanians and other Balkanites.
Many also socialized with Slovenians only, but then again, there aren't any black or MENA people here.
I think Croatians and Slovenians are more friendlier with Albanians...
Bosnians are more friendlier with Turks.

[Lucifer]

ofcourse ...if you do , they will say nationalism is haram and turn you into Bosniak speaking Arabs

check this please ..Ummah Muslim forum ,you will shiver http://www.ummah.com/forum/
Even watching anime is haram ..would Bosniaks like this lifestyle ?

being muslim doesn't mean losing your language :picard1:
what's ur problem, u against islam and ottomanism but still have a problem when i say i'd prefer a more arabic influenced islam than turk.

most bosniaks don't watch animes because animes are for nerds, same for the entire world...

[Kiyant]

being muslim doesn't mean losing your language :picard1:
what's ur problem, u against islam and ottomanism but still have a problem when i say i'd prefer a more arabic influenced islam than turk.

most bosniaks don't watch animes because animes are for nerds, same for the entire world...

Not true first and second Turkish islam is the best version since bosniaks also use it (secular kind)

[RandoBloom]

Not true first and second Turkish islam is the best version since bosniaks also use it (secular kind)

Best for who?
If we had more radical Islam genocide wouldnt hapen

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

being muslim doesn't mean losing your language :picard1:
what's ur problem, u against islam and ottomanism but still have a problem when i say i'd prefer a more arabic influenced islam than turk.

most bosniaks don't watch animes because animes are for nerds, same for the entire world...

Being Muslim doesn't mean being an Arab copycat either...

anime was an example ..:picard2:

ok ..let imams rule you ,may be it is best for you...

your Bogomile ancestors won't approve such radical tendencies ..Just saying

my problem? It is not my problem .I just find it hard to understand this mentality .
Why do you invite foreign influences to your homeland..Turk or Arab .

[RandoBloom]

Being Muslim doesn't mean being an Arab copycat either...

anime was an example ..:picard2:

ok ..let imams rule you ,may be it is best for you...

your Bogomile ancestors won't approve such radical tendencies ..Just saying
Our Bogomil ancestors hated the Catholic's and Orthodox's guts, considered them worse than dogs and believed the worst of hell is reserved for them and forbade intermarriage.
And Bogomils had Did's - elders who never ate any animal products, or any other carnal desire :)
We are quite tolerant unfortunately. Which is horrible for Balkans

[Hurrem sultana]

We are quite tolerant unfortunately. Which is horrible for Balkans


Thats new,if you go back 100 years we were totally different.I guess we became tolerant because we had no other choice,as communists never really liked us,so we had to act tolerant

While we act tolerant our secret dream is we can be beys again,and rule the kmets :D

[Methmatician]

Our Bogomil ancestors hated the Catholic's and Orthodox's guts, considered them worse than dogs and believed the worst of hell is reserved for them and forbade intermarriage.
And Bogomils had Did's - elders who never ate any animal products, or any other carnal desire :)
We are quite tolerant unfortunately. Which is horrible for Balkans
I see you're consulting your arse again on the history of Bosnia :rolleyes2:

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

Our Bogomil ancestors hated the Catholic's and Orthodox's guts, considered them worse than dogs and believed the worst of hell is reserved for them and forbade intermarriage.
And Bogomils had Did's - elders who never ate any animal products, or any other carnal desire :)
We are quite tolerant unfortunately. Which is horrible for Balkans

you guys are weird :)

[LightHouse89]

This. Bosniaks in the diaspora tend to hang out most with former Yugoslavs. And they marry quite frequently with native Europeans (Mraz mentioned something about this, I think he lives in Belgium).

Marriage with Serbs generally isn't liked but it happens and gets accepted by friends and family over time.

the few Bosniaks I know from central Mass date other Euros....I have never seen them inter marry with other Balkans or hang out with them for that matter. Albanians are the larger group but they get along with the Bosniaks here and Serbs...but they do not really hang out with each other you see them date other Euros here and religion doesnt seem to be an issue even though they are somewhat conservative except those that voted for Barack Insane Obozo.

Here for example my Dad is a protestant and mother a catholic and they got married....one is of British extraction and Dutch [my dad] and my mom german and irish......now a 100 years ago this type of marriage would not be acceptable because of religious/ethnic reasons but today it is not uncommon to meet people with my sort of background. No one really gives a shit where I live.....but dating blacks is not well looked upon....

[Lucifer]

Not true first and second Turkish islam is the best version since bosniaks also use it (secular kind)

says a yahoodie :rolleyes:

[LightHouse89]

Our Bogomil ancestors hated the Catholic's and Orthodox's guts, considered them worse than dogs and believed the worst of hell is reserved for them and forbade intermarriage.
And Bogomils had Did's - elders who never ate any animal products, or any other carnal desire :)
We are quite tolerant unfortunately. Which is horrible for Balkans

maybe this is why the Protestant west supports Bosnia and Albanians......Proddies are tolerant but they act so in hopes everyone converts to their religion.....they are nuts either way to me. I detest these foreign religions period they started all the problems with Europeans to begin with.....

[LightHouse89]

Best for who?
If we had more radical Islam genocide wouldnt hapen

:picard1: next thing you know it every Muslim man from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan will show up in Bosnia to marry off your women.....LOL do you want those foriengers in Bosnia with their outlandish views?

[Lucifer]

your Bogomile ancestors won't approve such radical tendencies ..Just saying


muslims are not into dancing around the fire nor have a cult of their ancestors we not pagan :picard1:

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

muslims are not into dancing around the fire nor have a cult of their ancestors we not pagan :picard1:

kissing a meteor or revolving around a cube counts paganism in my book but that was not I try to say

Bogomils suffered worst kind of intolerant radical massacres in history .Now you support similar Islamic version of religious tyranism ?

[Lucifer]

kissing a meteor or revolving around a cube counts paganism in my book but that was not I try to say

Bogomils suffered worst kind of intolerant radical massacres in history .Now you support similar Islamic version of religious tyranism ?

link with religious tyranism and wanting to deturkify islam in bosnia?
don't believe you're better than arabs, you committed several genocides.

[RandoBloom]

you guys are weird :)


maybe this is why the Protestant west supports Bosnia and Albanians......Proddies are tolerant but they act so in hopes everyone converts to their religion.....they are nuts either way to me. I detest these foreign religions period they started all the problems with Europeans to begin with.....

Weird how?



:picard1: next thing you know it every Muslim man from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan will show up in Bosnia to marry off your women.....LOL do you want those foriengers in Bosnia with their outlandish views?

That would never hapen because Bosniaks dont intermarry with anyone. We didnt marry Turks nor will we marry afghans. But radicalism is good prevents ilusions and instils a proper feeling to be a proper balkanite

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

link with religious tyranism and wanting to deturkify islam in bosnia?


Go ahead ,deturkify Bosnia ,Arabize her :picard2:


don't believe you're better than arabs, you committed several genocides.

why don't you go to Mekka and spend a year there ..?
first person experiences will help you to make better comparisons soon :rolleyes:

why do you think ,you have to choose between Arab and Turk ?
why Bosniak is not enough ..? that is weird ..

[LightHouse89]

Weird how?




That would never hapen because Bosniaks dont intermarry with anyone. We didnt marry Turks nor will we marry afghans. But radicalism is good prevents ilusions and instils a proper feeling to be a proper balkanite

:rofl_002: Of course they do. I is not that un heard of.....Oh Irish catholics would never marry Protestants or Bosniak......but it happens. Your right it is uncommon and not always looked well upon but it does most certianly happen. You most liekly did not inter marry with turks for the same reason the irish did not inter marry with the British when they ruled for hundreds of years.....because niether group liked one another and the oppressed are not likely to say yeah come over and fuck my sister/daughter LOL.

I just think Islam and Christianity for europe is a bad thing....just open a history book niether religion hvae done much to make Europe better it wasnt until Post-Christianity and Post Islam things got better. I mean look at western civilization its more advanced now than it was when it was living under the yoke of the church.....which had it on a leash just like Islam has on the middle east today.

[LightHouse89]

muslims are not into dancing around the fire nor have a cult of their ancestors we not pagan :picard1:

yes bow to invader religions......a good northern european=christian and a bad one is a pagan.......same crap I hear here with the anglo-saxon protestants and their Jewish religion :rotfl: i mean we might as well all be Jews that reigion has far more credit behind it than christianity or islam.

[Hurrem sultana]

Weird how?




That would never hapen because Bosniaks dont intermarry with anyone. We didnt marry Turks nor will we marry afghans. But radicalism is good prevents ilusions and instils a proper feeling to be a proper balkanite

voljela bih da si u pravu ali osporava te veliki broj mjesanaca

[RandoBloom]

voljela bih da si u pravu ali osporava te veliki broj mjesanaca

niti jedan od njih nije potekao od bosnjaka, vec od balija
ž

[Kiyant]

says a yahoodie :rolleyes:

:picard1:

[Drina]

I prefer Bosniak atheists over the other two.

[Drina]

i'm not osmanophile or pro turks man.
i would be for getting rid of turkish elements in our islam and base it on arabic one which is the only true path from jeddah to jakarta.
"The arabic one"? There is no such thing as arabic, turkish, bosniak, or persian etc Islam. It's one religion followed by many different cultures. If by turkish islam, you mean getting rid of secular islam and adopting the strict customs that most arab countries follow, then sorry but no one in BiH would accept that.

[cally]

ofcourse ...if you do , they will say nationalism is haram and turn you into Bosniak speaking Arabs

check this please ..Ummah Muslim forum ,you will shiver http://www.ummah.com/forum/
Even watching anime is haram ..would Bosniaks like this lifestyle ?

These are the type of Muslims I am around and people wonder why I dislike it . They are very racist to white people and having white skin is considered "bad" and slutty - if you're a white girl in England, you're basically a slut to them; doesn't matter if you're Turkish, Bosniak. They think everything is "Haram" and are mostly self-hating Pakistanis who want to be seen as MENA instead of Indian and they think following Islam makes them Arabic or something.These people actually do exist. I hate it when people who haven't had experience with them deny it and say it's propaganda. Turks are different and normal. I definitely prefer Turkish Islam in the Balkans to Arabic/Non-Euro Islam but the problem is Saudi targets these poverty-stricken, war-torn countries with radicalism and this is changing what Islam is to us; there are more extremists like those in that forum. This is why many Albanian nationalists on here don't like the religion.

P.s Btw I dont ever SOCIALISE with these people or have them around.. Its just when I happen to meet Muslims here, they are like that, which is a shame .. I'm referring to specific types here

[Shah-Jehan]

In reality, Bosniaks feel closer to other people of the Balkans such as Serbs, Croats, Albanians etc, be them Muslim or Christian. They also have mutual feeling towards Turkish people as well but, if you go outside of the Balkans or Turkey, they keep a distance between both non-Balkan Europe and the Near East and have closer ties to the regions only because of geography and religion.

[RandoBloom]

In reality, Bosniaks feel closer to other people of the Balkans such as Serbs, Croats, Albanians etc, be them Muslim or Christian. They also have mutual feeling towards Turkish people as well but, if you go outside of the Balkans or Turkey, they keep a distance between both non-Balkan Europe and the Near East and have closer ties to the regions only because of geography and religion.

Please dont tell us who we feel closer. Serbs and other Balkanians certainly arent in that group

[Lucifer]

Go ahead ,deturkify Bosnia ,Arabize her :picard2:



why don't you go to Mekka and spend a year there ..?
first person experiences will help you to make better comparisons soon :rolleyes:

why do you think ,you have to choose between Arab and Turk ?
why Bosniak is not enough ..? that is weird ..

it's about deturkifying islam in bosnia not arabizing bosnia...i love my culture.
i don't want turks or arabs in bosnia, except mujahids they should always be welcome.

[LightHouse89]

I prefer Bosniak atheists over the other two.

agreed but its always good to have spiritual direction as oppose to being too cynical with religion. I just think islam and Christianity have out lived their usefulness for Europeans....I mean these two religions like communism support genocide of European culture.

[LightHouse89]

Please dont tell us who we feel closer. Serbs and other Balkanians certainly arent in that group

All Balkanites have similar cultures do to geography.

[LightHouse89]

These are the type of Muslims I am around and people wonder why I dislike it . They are very racist to white people and having white skin is considered "bad" and slutty - if you're a white girl in England, you're basically a slut to them; doesn't matter if you're Turkish, Bosniak. They think everything is "Haram" and are mostly self-hating Pakistanis who want to be seen as MENA instead of Indian and they think following Islam makes them Arabic or something.These people actually do exist. I hate it when people who haven't had experience with them deny it and say it's propaganda. Turks are different and normal. I definitely prefer Turkish Islam in the Balkans to Arabic/Non-Euro Islam but the problem is Saudi targets these poverty-stricken, war-torn countries with radicalism and this is changing what Islam is to us; there are more extremists like those in that forum. This is why many Albanian nationalists on here don't like the religion.

P.s Btw I dont ever SOCIALISE with these people or have them around.. Its just when I happen to meet Muslims here, they are like that, which is a shame .. I'm referring to specific types here

This is why I detest Islam and Christianity.....here its the more extreme Christians that align themselves with Jews. The Jews pump a lot of money into their organizations to make them radicalized.....it doesn't make sense to me but its the way it is here. That's why there is organizations like 'Zionist Christian brotherhood' etc.... they are mostly protestants as catholics here do not really support Zionism. Catholics view it as heresy to support but Protestants consider them pagans..... I prefer old European religions as oppose to Islam or Christianity they are both useless to Europeans and even Turks. Islam and Christianity to me are like slavery to the soul and force us to side with conflicts that have nothing to do with us........its best they belong in the rubbish can. This is why Europe today is fucked up is because of Christianity and Islam.

[LightHouse89]

it's about deturkifying islam in bosnia not arabizing bosnia...i love my culture.
i don't want turks or arabs in bosnia, except mujahids they should always be welcome.

yes invite terror groups......why not the KKK to they are just as useless LOL. I prefer nationalists not these religious perverts.

[StonyArabia]

"The arabic one"? There is no such thing as arabic, turkish, bosniak, or persian etc Islam. It's one religion followed by many different cultures. If by turkish islam, you mean getting rid of secular islam and adopting the strict customs that most arab countries follow, then sorry but no one in BiH would accept that.

You are correct there is no such thing as Arabic Islam and not mention they themselves belong to several different sects of Islam. Certainly there is no Turkish Islam, they themselves follow Hanafi Sunnism like the majority of the Islamic world. However some of them follow the Alevi sect an off shoot that has combined the Sufi ideas of Ibn Arabi the Andulsian mystic with 12er Shiaism.

To show no such thing as Arabic Islam these are what Arab Muslim follow:
Sunnism with it's 4 branches all present(from Morocco to Arabia)
12er Shiaism(Southern Iraqis, Southern Lebanese, Bahrainis)
Zaidi Shiaism(Yemeni highlands and Southern Saudi Arabia)
Agha Khani Ismailism( some Syrian Arabs)
Al-Mokmorah Ismailism(Southern Saudi Arabia)

[Drawing-slim]

The better question is why Serbs love Albanians but hate Bosnians and Croats which are their brothers essentially?
And yes, Serbs love Albanians but is a psychotic twisted kinda love, we all know it.

[Lucifer]

yes invite terror groups......why not the KKK to they are just as useless LOL. I prefer nationalists not these religious perverts.

terror group? :picard1:

[LightHouse89]

terror group? :picard1:

why not they can help out their Bosnian Christian friends while the jihadist help out the muslim Bosnians.....I mean should Bosnia be invaded again. The perfect Islamo-Judo-Christian alliance vs. the heathen Serbs LOL oh man I hate religious nuts. Jihadist and Christian Fundamentalists are two sides of the same coin. Even my criminal justice books goes into great lengths about their wondrous deeds in the modern world hahahhaha

[LightHouse89]

The better question is why Serbs love Albanians but hate Bosnians and Croats which are their brothers essentially?
And yes, Serbs love Albanians but is a psychotic twisted kinda love, we all know it.

true they are all Slavic to a degree. But the religious difference and Nationalism maybe the reason.

[Drina]

You are correct there is no such thing as Arabic Islam and not mention they themselves belong to several different sects of Islam. Certainly there is no Turkish Islam, they themselves follow Hanafi Sunnism like the majority of the Islamic world. However some of them follow the Alevi sect an off shoot that has combined the Sufi ideas of Ibn Arabi the Andulsian mystic with 12er Shiaism.

To show no such thing as Arabic Islam these are what Arab Muslim follow:
Sunnism with it's 4 branches all present(from Morocco to Arabia)
12er Shiaism(Southern Iraqis, Southern Lebanese, Bahrainis)
Zaidi Shiaism(Yemeni highlands and Southern Saudi Arabia)
Agha Khani Ismailism( some Syrian Arabs)
Al-Mokmorah Ismailism(Southern Saudi Arabia)

Yeah but Bosniaks don't care about all that. We're mostly Sunni with a small Sufi percentage. I'm sure the average Bosniak Muslim wouldn't even know what a Hanafi or Ismaili is.

[RandoBloom]

All Balkanites have similar cultures do to geography.

Not really. If we had the same culture we would exterminate all Serbs long ago.

[LightHouse89]

Not really. If we had the same culture we would exterminate all Serbs long ago.

well I mean your all similar but I would not say the exact same. But yes you dislike one another very much.

[RandoBloom]

well I mean your all similar but I would not say the exact same. But yes you dislike one another very much.

Similar in no regards. They love killing civilians and glorify killing of those. In Bosniaks doesnt exist a single song or glorification of civilian killings.
Serbs are capable of hiding their hate until they start killing. Bosniaks cant, if they hate you they tell you and arent cowards to hide it until apropriate moment.
Serbs equalize religion and nation. Serbs hate Bosniaks for no reason apart from being different nation.
Ask them what Bosniaks did to them and they will start talking about Turks

[LightHouse89]

Similar in no regards. They love killing civilians and glorify killing of those. In Bosniaks doesnt exist a single song or glorification of civilian killings.
Serbs are capable of hiding their hate until they start killing. Bosniaks cant, if they hate you they tell you and arent cowards to hide it until apropriate moment.
Serbs equalize religion and nation. Serbs hate Bosniaks for no reason apart from being different nation.
Ask them what Bosniaks did to them and they will start talking about Turks

Well isnt the language the same between croats, bosniaks and serbs? I will say they all view themselves as different groups but they do share those cultural ties and what about old folkish beliefs I mean before christianity and islam? I am sure they are similar there too. I do not know too much unfortunately. Its obvious to me why today they all dislike one another. My cousin who was working in the middle east moved to Croatia and warned me if you came here never bring up the topic of the balkan wars it will upset everyone hahaha. So point noted.

[RandoBloom]

Well isnt the language the same between croats, bosniaks and serbs? I will say they all view themselves as different groups but they do share those cultural ties and what about old folkish beliefs I mean before christianity and islam? I am sure they are similar there too. I do not know too much unfortunately. Its obvious to me why today they all dislike one another. My cousin who was working in the middle east moved to Croatia and warned me if you came here never bring up the topic of the balkan wars it will upset everyone hahaha. So point noted.

No it isnt. The languages are different.
They share no cultural ties now or then. Croatians had croat culture and croat interests, Serbs serb and Bosniaks had Bosniak interests and culture all the time.
Also before christianity and islam they were different. They had slavic pantheon. We had Christianity or before it Illyrian pantheon.

[LightHouse89]

No it isnt. The languages are different.
They share no cultural ties now or then. Croatians had croat culture and croat interests, Serbs serb and Bosniaks had Bosniak interests and culture all the time.
Also before christianity and islam they were different. They had slavic pantheon. We had Christianity or before it Illyrian pantheon.

what about the Goths? Or did they leave the Illyrians alone?

[RandoBloom]

what about the Goths? Or did they leave the Illyrians alone?

Yes. They had other more important problems than Illyrians.

[LightHouse89]

Yes. They had other more important problems than Illyrians.

I thought you said Bosnians are descendants of Goths and Illyrians but ofcourse not the Slavs :p

It says Bosnian is a South Slavic language wth some ties with Latin, Germanism [Asutrian-Hungarian rule] and Turkish or something like that. But its mostly a Slavic language.

[RandoBloom]

I thought you said Bosnians are descendants of Goths and Illyrians but ofcourse not the Slavs :p

It says Bosnian is a South Slavic language wth some ties with Latin, Germanism [Asutrian-Hungarian rule] and Turkish or something like that. But its mostly a Slavic language.

Where did I mention goths? Some Bosniaks undoubtedly are, around 20%. But percentage of slavic genes in Bosniaks is 15%.
I am not even going to repeat myself for 100th time. Bosnian language is the way it is due to slavs surounding us all over the place, and no land connection to any other people, aside from slavs.

[LightHouse89]

Where did I mention goths? Some Bosniaks undoubtedly are, around 20%. But percentage of slavic genes in Bosniaks is 15%.
I am not even going to repeat myself for 100th time. Bosnian language is the way it is due to slavs surounding us all over the place, and no land connection to any other people, aside from slavs.

So your closer to Albanians than Slavs?

[RandoBloom]

So your closer to Albanians than Slavs?

I am closer to Rwandan Hutu than to slavs. But close to Albanians? No. We lost that connection milenia and a half ago. We were different before that, they being southern, and we being northern Illyrians, but we lost connection we had before long time ago. Not that it means we made connection with others around us. We were always the odd ones. Different nationaly and oftentimes religiously for most part. The non-slavic origins meant we never got along with them. Greeks to different, Hungarians religiously and mentaly different, Albanians to far and too weak to even be considered.

[LightHouse89]

I am closer to Rwandan Hutu than to slavs. But close to Albanians? No. We lost that connection milenia and a half ago. We were different before that, they being southern, and we being northern Illyrians, but we lost connection we had before long time ago. Not that it means we made connection with others around us. We were always the odd ones. Different nationaly and oftentimes religiously for most part. The non-slavic origins meant we never got along with them. Greeks to different, Hungarians religiously and mentaly different, Albanians to far and too weak to even be considered.

Interesting. I often wonder what pagan Bosnia would be like.....a shame its gone.

[RandoBloom]

Interesting. I often wonder what pagan Bosnia would be like.....a shame its gone.

It would be full of human sacrifices at rivers and lakes to various gods. Usualy virgins and children.

[LightHouse89]

It would be full of human sacrifices at rivers and lakes to various gods. Usualy virgins and children.

LOL I doubt it was that bad....I bet it mostly Islamic-Christian propaganda like they have done to my ancestors cultures of cutting peoples throats and burying them in mud that way or alive.... [most people who were executed were criminals which historians have proven].

[RandoBloom]

LOL I doubt it was that bad....I bet it mostly Islamic-Christian propaganda like they have done to my ancestors cultures of cutting peoples throats and burying them in mud that way or alive.... [most people who were executed were criminals which historians have proven].

Not really. The sacrificial grounds are well known and stuffed with human remains, all mostly young females or children

[al-Bosni]

do bosniaks feel closer to european christians or to mid-eastern muslims


"O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves, for they will not spare you [any] ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason."

(Quran 3:118)

[KeinMitleid]

A TRUE Bosniak like any TRUE European spits upon all the vile semitic death cults. Most have, however, spat upon their forefathers and their Gods and are about as good as any other untermensch.

[mahiR]

We all on balcan were occupied by romans and turks. So we are a kind of mixture even if noone wants to admit that :)

[Blackfyre]

As a Bosniak I can confirm that we are closer to our European brothers. This opinion is shared even by the Bosniak Muslims, who look down on middle eastern influence and traitors like wahhabies and women who wear burkas (usally, Bosniak Muslims call women in burkas "ninjas")

[Borna]

As a Bosniak I can confirm that we are closer to our European brothers. This opinion is shared even by the Bosniak Muslims, who look down on middle eastern influence and traitors like wahhabies and women who wear burkas (usally, Bosniak Muslims call women in burkas "ninjas")

Do you by chance know that there is no organization with NS views in Europe that does like you?
European brothers? Is that why you ethnically cleansed Croats from Herzegovina>

Remove that Slavic from your infos and put Ashika, Anadolid, Turkmen or whatever.

[dralos]

As a Bosniak I can confirm that we are closer to our European brothers. This opinion is shared even by the Bosniak Muslims, who look down on middle eastern influence and traitors like wahhabies and women who wear burkas (usally, Bosniak Muslims call women in burkas "ninjas")
they are fucking ninjas who are paid by serbia

[Blackfyre]

Do you by chance know that there is no organization with NS views in Europe that does like you?
European brothers? Is that why you ethnically cleansed Croats from Herzegovina>

Remove that Slavic from your infos and put Ashika, Anadolid, Turkmen or whatever.

First off, Croats and Bosniaks are basically the same people, which have only a cultural difference. Bosnia was part of the Kingdom of Croatia before becoming an free state. Thus, no Croats were ever cleansed in Herzegovina.
Further more, genetical studies show that the infuence of turkic genes is irrelevant in the majority of the people of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

[RandoBloom]

As a Bosniak I can confirm that we are closer to our European brothers. This opinion is shared even by the Bosniak Muslims, who look down on middle eastern influence and traitors like wahhabies and women who wear burkas (usally, Bosniak Muslims call women in burkas "ninjas")

There are no European brothers to Bosniaks. Or Asian brothers. Or any kind of brothers, kinsmen, friends etc..
Get that out of your mind. We are independent and can relly only on ourselves.


Do you by chance know that there is no organization with NS views in Europe that does like you?
European brothers? Is that why you ethnically cleansed Croats from Herzegovina>

Remove that Slavic from your infos and put Ashika, Anadolid, Turkmen or whatever.

When did that Ethnic cleansing ocur?
Who commited it? How many victims?

As for slavic, that is stupid to put there since we are not slavs, and slavs are savages, a trait non-existent in Bosniak culture.




First off, Croats and Bosniaks are basically the same people, which have only a cultural difference. Bosnia was part of the Kingdom of Croatia before becoming an free state. Thus, no Croats were ever cleansed in Herzegovina.
Further more, genetical studies show that the infuence of turkic genes is irrelevant in the majority of the people of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

No Croats are Croats and Bosniaks are Bosniaks. I see that you are quite influenced by BPNP ideology, or perhaps the Ustasha ideology. Both seeking "friendly" people.

Bosnia was not a part of Kingdom of Croatia, but a part of Province of Croatia inside Empire of Francia. As a Bosniak you should learn your history, lack of its knowledge is deadly.

Secondly, Croats didnt exist in Hum. Not Herzegovina, but Hum. Herzegovina apears only after betrayal of its rulers to Turks.

Mainly because it was inhabited by Serbs, until we conquered it and settled it. The "Croatism" of the inhabitants is questionable, since Croats there are not mentioned until the spread of Croat nationalism by Starcevic and co.

[Dzihadovic]

The champ is back.

[Insuperable]

There is nothing questionable about Croats from Herzegovina (or B&H if you are aiming at that) if you are thinking they are Bosniaks in denial.

[RandoBloom]

There is nothing questionable about Croats from Herzegovina (or B&H if you are aiming at that) if you are thinking they are Bosniaks in denial.

No, majority of Croats there are actual Croats, brought by Austro-Hungarian empire.
But a large number of them is also Bosniaks in denial (Those who moved there from Central Bosnia in 90's.

I will not argue, but there is no Croats in Hum area until modern times. Speaking of it as a "Croat land" or whatever is insulting to inteligence.

[armenianbodyhair]

There are no European brothers to Bosniaks. Or Asian brothers. Or any kind of brothers, kinsmen, friends etc..
Get that out of your mind. We are independent and can relly only on ourselves.



When did that Ethnic cleansing ocur?
Who commited it? How many victims?

As for slavic, that is stupid to put there since we are not slavs, and slavs are savages, a trait non-existent in Bosniak culture.





No Croats are Croats and Bosniaks are Bosniaks. I see that you are quite influenced by BPNP ideology, or perhaps the Ustasha ideology. Both seeking "friendly" people.

Bosnia was not a part of Kingdom of Croatia, but a part of Province of Croatia inside Empire of Francia. As a Bosniak you should learn your history, lack of its knowledge is deadly.

Secondly, Croats didnt exist in Hum. Not Herzegovina, but Hum. Herzegovina apears only after betrayal of its rulers to Turks.

Mainly because it was inhabited by Serbs, until we conquered it and settled it. The "Croatism" of the inhabitants is questionable, since Croats there are not mentioned until the spread of Croat nationalism by Starcevic and co.
I missed you so much. :(

[Lucifer]

good meanwhile hruljski and blackfyromski will be fighting, i'll be watching it with dzihadowski with great amusement... going to love the upcoming apricity inter-bosniak fights :)
we just need some nihilist bosniak and the family will be complete

[Insuperable]

Those who moved there are Bosniaks, I am guessing so what is your point? Croats there are natives. Those areas were settled by Croats since the 7th century. U mad?

[Guapo]

Those who moved there are Bosniaks, I am guessing so what is your point? Croats there are natives. Those areas were settled by Croats since the 7th century. U mad?

show me your jeans, i mean genes

[RandoBloom]

Those who moved there are Bosniaks, I am guessing so what is your point? Croats there are natives. Those areas were settled by Croats since the 7th century. U mad?

Where is the mention of those "Croats" in Hum?
Only people mentioned there before Bosniaks conquered Hum and settled it are Serbs, Greeks and Vlachs.
Not mad, interested. I am amazed that your English skill is so low that you cant differentiate anger from interest. So do be nice and post some evidence for your claims

[Guapo]

:popcorn:

[Lucifer]

:popcorn:

u shouldn't eat popcorn...eat boiled corn like ur ancestors did not like americans...americans are fat.

[interes]

Look mid-eastern

[Guapo]

u shouldn't eat popcorn...eat boiled corn like ur ancestors did not like americans...americans are fat.

popcorn is low in fat, im too lazy to boil corn

[Minesweeper]

They feel closest to Serbs.

[Insuperable]

Where is the mention of those "Croats" in Hum?
Only people mentioned there before Bosniaks conquered Hum and settled it are Serbs, Greeks and Vlachs.
Not mad, interested. I am amazed that your English skill is so low that you cant differentiate anger from interest. So do be nice and post some evidence for your claims

There is nothing wrong with my English skill. You just need to differentiate between this anger you think is there and some form of sarcasm. Just to add so we understand each other, if some Croats there are Bosniaks in denial historically or recently I don't see anything wrong with that, but likewise I also show interests in some claims. We will continue this discussion tomorrow or some other day. I am in no mood now and will log off soon anyway.

[RandoBloom]

There is nothing wrong with my English skill. You just need to differentiate between this anger you think is there and some form of sarcasm. Just to add so we understand each other, if some Croats there are Bosniaks in denial historically or recently I don't see anything wrong with that, but likewise I also show interests in some claims. We will continue this discussion tomorrow or some other day. I am in no mood now and will log off soon anyway.

Sure.

[Dzihadovic]

They feel closest to Serbs.

So middle easterners then? :laugh:

[Blackfyre]

There are no European brothers to Bosniaks. Or Asian brothers. Or any kind of brothers, kinsmen, friends etc..
Get that out of your mind. We are independent and can relly only on ourselves.



When did that Ethnic cleansing ocur?
Who commited it? How many victims?

As for slavic, that is stupid to put there since we are not slavs, and slavs are savages, a trait non-existent in Bosniak culture.





No Croats are Croats and Bosniaks are Bosniaks. I see that you are quite influenced by BPNP ideology, or perhaps the Ustasha ideology. Both seeking "friendly" people.

Bosnia was not a part of Kingdom of Croatia, but a part of Province of Croatia inside Empire of Francia. As a Bosniak you should learn your history, lack of its knowledge is deadly.

Secondly, Croats didnt exist in Hum. Not Herzegovina, but Hum. Herzegovina apears only after betrayal of its rulers to Turks.

Mainly because it was inhabited by Serbs, until we conquered it and settled it. The "Croatism" of the inhabitants is questionable, since Croats there are not mentioned until the spread of Croat nationalism by Starcevic and co.

1. Every people needs brotherly bonds. We are not the USA, Germany or any other world power to go on our own just like that. Being a pan-European nationalist (inspired by Sir Oswald Mosley and his dream of "Europe a nation"), I strive for the complete unfication of Europe into a Federal State, where every federal unit (nation state) would keep it's idenity and culture, tho overshadowing it with the racial-cultural idenity of being an European. Brotherhood and cooperation is of paramount importance

2. Aye, Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs are more Illyric than Slavic, meaning that the Southern slavs are slavs in name only and in culture, whist being the only true scions of the Illyric people on this world. So yes, we are an Illyric people (mixed with portions of slavic genes) which has a Slavic culture.

3. True, propably 80% of the population of Bosnia is Bosniak. Like said many times before, national and ethnical identification here is based only on religion. You have a lot of gypsies settled here from Romania a few centuries ago who call themsevles Serbs because of their Orthodox faith.

[Ctwentysevenj]

What I saw on Australian television television a couple of years ago, young Islamic Bosnian girls were being interviewed and they said they are of European culture. They definitely dressed in a very european way.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Should ask one of those Bosnian babes that appeared on the other thread under Bosnian girls!

[Methmatician]

What I saw on Australian television television a couple of years ago, young Islamic Bosnian girls were being interviewed and they said they are of European culture. They definitely dressed in a very european way.
Were they wearing an abaya? That would make them French.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Were they wearing an abaya? That would make them French.

Quite the opposite, short summer dresses and one was wearing cheeky denim shorts:D They were drinking alcohol too. Very western and European.

[RandoBloom]

1. Every people needs brotherly bonds. We are not the USA, Germany or any other world power to go on our own just like that. Being a pan-European nationalist (inspired by Sir Oswald Mosley and his dream of "Europe a nation"), I strive for the complete unfication of Europe into a Federal State, where every federal unit (nation state) would keep it's idenity and culture, tho overshadowing it with the racial-cultural idenity of being an European. Brotherhood and cooperation is of paramount importance

2. Aye, Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs are more Illyric than Slavic, meaning that the Southern slavs are slavs in name only and in culture, whist being the only true scions of the Illyric people on this world. So yes, we are an Illyric people (mixed with portions of slavic genes) which has a Slavic culture.

3. True, propably 80% of the population of Bosnia is Bosniak. Like said many times before, national and ethnical identification here is based only on religion. You have a lot of gypsies settled here from Romania a few centuries ago who call themsevles Serbs because of their Orthodox faith.

1. Bosniaks do not need "brotherly people". Those people do not exist. Rellying on anyone for help or support other than yourself is idiotic. As history has shown, from the time of Kingdom when our king started religious persecution in order to satisfy the "Europe" so it helps him, which left him to die anyway, to the last war, when Europe tried to get us exterminated in any way possible and stoped the war when Serbs started loosing. Bosnia has no future in such Europe. Europe is full of degenerates who would destroy Bosniak purity.

2. Where did I mention Illyrians? Did you even read my text? We have nothing in common with those who neighbour us, instead of debt of revenge to be repaid.

3. There can not and should not be unity between us and Croats and Serbs. We have nothing to gain from it and only to lose.
Only ones who can be allowed to return to Bosniakhood is the Croatized Bosniaks of Central Bosnia. The rest needs to be removed or moved.

[cally]

I assume they feel close to Yugoslavs and Turks.

[Methmatician]

Quite the opposite, short summer dresses and one was wearing cheeky denim shorts:D They were drinking alcohol too. Very western and European.
Sounds more Australian.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Sounds more Australian.

Not Australian, but Bosnian babes in sarajevo

[LightHouse89]

They are yugoslavs.....at least to us they are. They have to be slavs because alot of slavs here are liberal including yugoslavs... but then again all europeans are very naive and liberal. it will be their downfall.

[LightHouse89]

Not Australian, but Bosnian babes in sarajevo

Albanians, Serbs, Russians and Bosnians here all drink. They like vodka though.... I cannot stomach that stuff. I would start a bar fight if I was under the influence of vodka.

[LightHouse89]

1. Every people needs brotherly bonds. We are not the USA, Germany or any other world power to go on our own just like that. Being a pan-European nationalist (inspired by Sir Oswald Mosley and his dream of "Europe a nation"), I strive for the complete unfication of Europe into a Federal State, where every federal unit (nation state) would keep it's idenity and culture, tho overshadowing it with the racial-cultural idenity of being an European. Brotherhood and cooperation is of paramount importance

2. Aye, Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs are more Illyric than Slavic, meaning that the Southern slavs are slavs in name only and in culture, whist being the only true scions of the Illyric people on this world. So yes, we are an Illyric people (mixed with portions of slavic genes) which has a Slavic culture.

3. True, propably 80% of the population of Bosnia is Bosniak. Like said many times before, national and ethnical identification here is based only on religion. You have a lot of gypsies settled here from Romania a few centuries ago who call themsevles Serbs because of their Orthodox faith.

Hopefully under the German method. National Socialism is cooler than Federalism. :cool:

[Arianiti]

What I saw on Australian television television a couple of years ago, young Islamic Bosnian girls were being interviewed and they said they are of European culture. They definitely dressed in a very european way.

Bosniaks are secular Muslims so yes they are modern people, I would not say only European. Bosniaks have behind long Christian tradition and they are Muslims only 200 years in average. I do not know why people tend to forget this. Bosniaks are more progressed than many European and Slavic countries in terms of mentality.

You people should stop judging people in terms of faith, I see this as a very backward mentality. There are more Muslims in Western European countries than in Bosnia :) I remember a Scottish old lady coming to Kosova and reacting so shocked bc she imagined Kosova as Sahara desert with camels, as someone told her that we are Muslims. She was shocked completely with those type of "Muslims". I think it took her days to recover from that shock :P

P.S. gigolo Im sure you feel closer to hindus than to christians, since u as a roma are one recent christian.

[cally]

Hrulj I'm sorry if I've upset you, you can correct me if I've said something wrong :) :)

[Zaycev]

they are gypsies

joke

How many bosniaks are there actually? Anyone got a reliable source and number?

[LightHouse89]

they are gypsies

joke

How many bosniaks are there actually? Anyone got a reliable source and number?

Bosniak, Serb and Croat are artificial words..... they are all yugoslavs :cool: [this may start a shit storm but it is the truth].

[Zaycev]

Bosniak, Serb and Croat are artificial words..... they are all yugoslavs :cool: [this may start a shit storm but it is the truth].

no they're not and that's exactly why you should fuck off and mind your own american shit business. you're not a european and never be. even I am more european than you lol

Jimbo. Face the truth

:thumb001:

[Lucifer]

Bosniak, Serb and Croat are artificial words..... they are all yugoslavs :cool: [this may start a shit storm but it is the truth].

"yugoslav" is the artificial word

[Blackfyre]

1. Bosniaks do not need "brotherly people". Those people do not exist. Rellying on anyone for help or support other than yourself is idiotic. As history has shown, from the time of Kingdom when our king started religious persecution in order to satisfy the "Europe" so it helps him, which left him to die anyway, to the last war, when Europe tried to get us exterminated in any way possible and stoped the war when Serbs started loosing. Bosnia has no future in such Europe. Europe is full of degenerates who would destroy Bosniak purity.

2. Where did I mention Illyrians? Did you even read my text? We have nothing in common with those who neighbour us, instead of debt of revenge to be repaid.

3. There can not and should not be unity between us and Croats and Serbs. We have nothing to gain from it and only to lose.
Only ones who can be allowed to return to Bosniakhood is the Croatized Bosniaks of Central Bosnia. The rest needs to be removed or moved.

Okay.... Thankfully we have the greatest nuclear arsenal and strongest economy in the world, so we can go on about ourselves alone.... oh wait, we don't

I undestand you, we were always targets of some hegemon, but it is in thesetimes that buildings bonds and finding allies is of great importance to us. Having allies is crucial to survival. As I recall, the Paaguayan-Brasilian war would have been a victory for Paraguay if they had allied with Argentina, but, instead, brasil allied with Argentina and Uruguay, winning the war, taking Paraguayan land and killing off 70% of the male population.

We have to face the fact that all our neighbours, except MNE, are stronger than us. We have potential, but we need external help to solve our problems, seeing as how without assassinations of politicans, we won't progress.

[RandoBloom]

Okay.... Thankfully we have the greatest nuclear arsenal and strongest economy in the world, so we can go on about ourselves alone.... oh wait, we don't

I undestand you, we were always targets of some hegemon, but it is in thesetimes that buildings bonds and finding allies is of great importance to us. Having allies is crucial to survival. As I recall, the Paaguayan-Brasilian war would have been a victory for Paraguay if they had allied with Argentina, but, instead, brasil allied with Argentina and Uruguay, winning the war, taking Paraguayan land and killing off 70% of the male population.

We have to face the fact that all our neighbours, except MNE, are stronger than us. We have potential, but we need external help to solve our problems, seeing as how without assassinations of politicans, we won't progress.

So we need to kiss asess and be Balija's?
I would rather die, as would others. Bosniak cant exist as Balija, he looses himself and dies out trying to prove himself.
If they want "allies" then they can come to us, and ask us. If not they can fuck off, we arent asking or rellying on anyone.
We have more than enough power to defend ourselves and thats what we need to concentrate on, not on kissing asess

[LightHouse89]

no they're not and that's exactly why you should fuck off and mind your own american shit business. you're not a european and never be. even I am more european than you lol

Jimbo. Face the truth

:thumb001:

so my DNA under went magical metamorphosis upon my ancestors arriving here? very interesting.

[LightHouse89]

"yugoslav" is the artificial word

what were they before muslims and christians?

[Zaycev]

so my DNA under went magical metamorphosis upon my ancestors arriving here? very interesting.

Idc about DNA, you live in the USA, so does your family since centuries I assume. I do not see how you can be a european, genetics and looks aside.
You know shit about Europe and you're just proving it.

[Guapo]

Bosniak, Serb and Croat are artificial words..... they are all yugoslavs :cool: [this may start a shit storm but it is the truth].

Lol figures Hrulj gives you a thumbsdown, you're basically right anyway

[Zaycev]

Guapo you're a 15 year old serb who lives abroad, shut up

[LightHouse89]

Idc about DNA, you live in the USA, so does your family since centuries I assume. I do not see how you can be a european, genetics and looks aside.
You know shit about Europe and you're just proving it.

Nope....america is only really just 2-3 centuries old. DNA is everything...so a black born in Germany is a German? :rolleyes: LOL how absurd of a view point. My mother's parents were not born here. My fathers ancestors were colonials and some immigrated here....so? I know alot about history as it is one of my favorite topics.....my question to you is what were bosniaks and serbs before christianity and islam? yugoslavs?

[LightHouse89]

Lol figures Hrulj gives you a thumbsdown, you're basically right anyway

I like how this bulgarian idiot continues to say I am not a european even though my DNA comes from there I still belong to this artificial magical race of people called Americans LOL. :rolleyes: Liberals amaze me with their thinking and its simplicity. It is like a child like mind set.

[LightHouse89]

Guapo you're a 15 year old serb who lives abroad, shut up

so if people disagree with you they have to shut up? that isnt fair. :rolleyes:

[Zaycev]

Nope....america is only really just 2-3 centuries old. DNA is everything...so a black born in Germany is a German? :rolleyes: LOL how absurd of a view point. My mother's parents were not born here. My fathers ancestors were colonials and some immigrated here....so? I know alot about history as it is one of my favorite topics.....my question to you is what were bosniaks and serbs before christianity and islam? yugoslavs?

No he's not, because he has no long family history in Germany (if both his parents are black). You however are born, raised in the US and you're a typical american.
I just can't take americans who try hard to be european serious. Sure, you can brag about your ancestors who were italian or german or whatever, but shut up about other european people's subject when you have no clue.

Bosniaks and serbs are south slavs, they still are, though "Yugoslav" was an artifical word, trying even to assemble fyromians and slovenes in that "branch" (and bulgarians too). Serbs and croatians have differences between themselves. They may nearly talk the same language, however, croatians and serbians have both a long history of their own country and nation + croatians are catholic and Serbs are orthodox. This alone is already a huge difference.

As you can see in history, the idea of yugoslav failed. Now be so kind and stick to your germanic roots. I know my words hurt you. You're a typical fascist wannabe european stormfront prick I wanna wreck irl.

Move to Europe, integrate yourself into the european culture (german, whatever you like) then you can talk about being european. Genetics and shit are not enough you american shitbag

[Lucifer]

what were they before muslims and christians?

pagans...

[Ctwentysevenj]

Also Serbs use the Cyrillic alphabet and Croatia use the Latin alphabet.

[LightHouse89]

No he's not, because he has no long family history in Germany (if both his parents are black). You however are born, raised in the US and you're a typical american.
I just can't take americans who try hard to be european serious. Sure, you can brag about your ancestors who were italian or german or whatever, but shut up about other european people's subject when you have no clue.

Bosniaks and serbs are south slavs, they still are, though "Yugoslav" was an artifical word, trying even to assemble fyromians and slovenes in that "branch" (and bulgarians too). Serbs and croatians have differences between themselves. They may nearly talk the same language, however, croatians and serbians have both a long history of their own country and nation + croatians are catholic and Serbs are orthodox. This alone is already a huge difference.

As you can see in history, the idea of yugoslav failed. Now be so kind and stick to your germanic roots. I know my words hurt you. You're a typical fascist wannabe european stormfront prick I wanna wreck irl.

Move to Europe, integrate yourself into the european culture (german, whatever you like) then you can talk about being european. Genetics and shit are not enough you american shitbag

Why do you resort to insults? Sure I am no expert on Bosnian or Serbian culture. Why? I do not have that much of an interest about them to place so much of my effort and time with. I do know about British Island history and German history....very well actually. My father's side were once Empire supporters and very much anti American FYI [his mother's ancestors by the way not my grandfathers his were pro America].

Anyway but by your logic and that of many others is european is just cultural...not genetic or shared values. My question to you is this what came first, America or Europe? [sorry I have to ask these stupid questions]. I will ask you though because most 'Americans' or better yet those who live in America like myself, are very confused as to what an American is these days. If I posted pictures of the people who claim they are americans it would include a picture of the world at this point. American again is an artificial word and meaning as you claim 'Yugoslav' is. However you still did not answer my question as to what Serbs and Bosniaks were before abrahamism? Seems like I might have to do some research on this maybe?

[LightHouse89]

pagans...

yes but elaborate more....what were they called?

[Lucifer]

yes but elaborate more....what were they called?

slavs, native balkanians,...

[RandoBloom]

what were they before muslims and christians?


Why do you resort to insults? Sure I am no expert on Bosnian or Serbian culture. Why? I do not have that much of an interest about them to place so much of my effort and time with. I do know about British Island history and German history....very well actually. My father's side were once Empire supporters and very much anti American FYI [his mother's ancestors by the way not my grandfathers his were pro America].

Anyway but by your logic and that of many others is european is just cultural...not genetic or shared values. My question to you is this what came first, America or Europe? [sorry I have to ask these stupid questions]. I will ask you though because most 'Americans' or better yet those who live in America like myself, are very confused as to what an American is these days. If I posted pictures of the people who claim they are americans it would include a picture of the world at this point. American again is an artificial word and meaning as you claim 'Yugoslav' is. However you still did not answer my question as to what Serbs and Bosniaks were before abrahamism? Seems like I might have to do some research on this maybe?

Then why start shitstorms and talk stupid things if you admit you dont know anything.
Serbs before abhamism were slavic pagans.
Bosniaks before abrahamism were romanized illyrian pagans.