Classify these Somali guys

[Methusalem]

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http://imageshack.us/a/img338/6396/30120715466095128592714.jpg

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http://imageshack.us/a/img32/5706/imagwerr589o.jpg

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http://imageshack.us/a/img829/1588/imag23o0.jpg

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http://imageshack.us/a/img31/5413/image6590.jpg

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[Amun]

1- Aethiopid with strong Arabid. He looks like Ethiopian emperor Haile Selassie
2-Arabid/Aethiopiod for both. the left guy looks like Graig daived
3- Arabid/EastAethiopiod
4- Classic East Aethiopiod

it seems Somalis show more Arabid than Ethiopians

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[Bedouin]

1- Aethiopid with strong Arabid. He looks like Ethiopian emperor Haile Selassie
2-Arabid/Aethiopiod for both. the left guy looks like Graig daived
3- Arabid/EastAethiopiod
4- Classic East Aethiopiod

it seems Somalis show more Arabid than Ethiopians
Non of them would pass for a true (Tribal) Arab. maybe Arabs who happens to be in Arabia but with no tribes, yes.
In GCC countries they would be considered just black Arabs.

[Amun]

Non of them would pass for a true (Tribal) Arab. maybe Arabs who happens to be in Arabia but with no tribes, yes.
In GCC countries they would be considered just black Arabs.

Arabid is phenotype and they obviously show Arabid traits. Don't forget that Horn Africans had an ancient West Asian admixture plus there are some tribes in Yemen like Mehri tribe who show East African affinity.

http://www.ctesiphon.com/Images/Arabia-Felix-1932-d.jpg
http://www.ctesiphon.com/Images/Arabia-Felix-1932-c.jpg

[Methusalem]

Non of them would pass for a true (Tribal) Arab. maybe Arabs who happens to be in Arabia but with no tribes, yes.
In GCC countries they would be considered just black Arabs.

I am not sure about GCC countries but that's not true for Yemenis as Amun pointed out.

[Bedouin]

Arabid is phenotype and they obviously show Arabid traits. Don't forget that Horn Africans had an ancient West Asian admixture plus there are some tribes in Yemen like Mehri tribe who show East African affinity.

http://www.ctesiphon.com/Images/Arabia-Felix-1932-d.jpg
http://www.ctesiphon.com/Images/Arabia-Felix-1932-c.jpg


Yeb you're right these Somalies have Arabic blood in them. however, they can't pass for Bedouin for example? which is widely considered as the "Pure/True" Arabs. even though I consider Arab as a culture nowadays just like lations. These Somalis can be Qatari Saudi or whatever citizens. There is few of them here. however when it comes to tribes and origins they will stand out easily. Not a single Arabian tribe look like that. even the Mahra who have exotic phenotype compared to other tribes look very different than these Somalis. here is a typical Mahra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZFvo5-QvlU
Even the Reshaeedah Arab tribe in Sudan, been there for hundreds of years. yet they look nothing like these Somalies.

[Methusalem]

1- Aethiopid with strong Arabid. He looks like Ethiopian emperor Haile Selassie
2-Arabid/Aethiopiod for both. the left guy looks like Graig daived
3- Arabid/EastAethiopiod
4- Classic East Aethiopiod

it seems Somalis show more Arabid than Ethiopians

Not really. In fact it is the other way around. Those examples are not really representative but you can ask Wadaad. He knows more about his people. Average Somalis show way less arabid influenced phenotypes than Eritreans/Ethiopians. On average.

The first one does not really look arabid influenced, more like taurid/dinariform Highland Aethiopid. Also his kinky hairstructre is pretty atypical for Somalis. And the third one seems to be more mediterranoid than arabid for sure, although more East-aethiopid than anything else. But I agree on the rest.

[Bedouin]

I am not sure about GCC countries but that's not true for Yemenis as Amun pointed out.

Tribal yemenis ? Do you know the difference between a tribal Arab and a tribe-less one ? :)

[Amun]

Even the Reshaeedah Arab tribe in Sudan, been there for hundreds of years. yet they look nothing like these Somalies.


رداً على سؤال بشأن الزيجات مع "الرشايدة"، يعلق بن بركي: "نحن لدينا عادات وتقاليد ورثناها من الأجداد، ونحن نزوج من الرشايدة فقط". كما يفيد في حوار آخر معه: "بأن القبيلة تحرص على عدم زواج بناتها من أبناء القبائل الأخرى، فيما تسمح لفتيانها أن يتزوجوا من القبائل العربية الأخرى. ويعود ذلك إلى عدم اقتناع القبيلة بعروبة القبائل الأخرى".
http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=2&id=306527

When it comes to Reshaeedah, they didn't mix with local (so called) Arab tribes in Sudan, because they are not convinced with their actual Arab link


Also our current president (http://www.rafha-news.com/news-action-show-id-10734.htm) is said to belong to Reshaeedah, although i am not sure of how accurate is that.

[Anglojew]

Why does everyone want to be whiter? Arabs on here want to be considered the same as Southern Europeans. You guys want to look Arab. Southern Europeans want to be Northern Europeans.

[Bedouin]

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=2&id=306527

When it comes to Reshaeedah, they didn't mix with local (so called) Arab tribes in Sudan, because they are not convinced with their actual Arab link


Also our current president (http://www.rafha-news.com/news-action-show-id-10734.htm) is said to belong to Reshaeedah, although i am not sure of how accurate is that.

Now come on! :)
You know how we Arabs do it! we intermarriage within the tribes themselves! it has nothing to do with it. My father, his father and his father all married within our tribe ( Hawajr ). its not like they're not convinced about Sudan's Arab tribes :/
plus I already told you, Arab is a culture and a language.
( An Arab is who spoke Arabic as a mother tongue ) Prophet Muhammed PBUP.


Why does everyone want to be whiter? Arabs on here want to be considered the same as Southern Europeans. You guys want to look Arab. Southern Europeans want to be Northern Europeans.

We have been calling ourselves White even before seeing a European man. see Arab poems from BC times. we call you Red people. So why do you wanna be white?

[Methusalem]

Yeb you're right these Somalies have Arabic blood in them. however, they can't pass for Bedouin for example? which is widely considered as the "Pure/True" Arabs. even though I consider Arab as a culture nowadays just like lations. These Somalis can be Qatari Saudi or whatever citizens. There is few of them here. however when it comes to tribes and origins they will stand out easily. Not a single Arabian tribe look like that. even the Mahra who have exotic phenotype compared to other tribes look very different than these Somalis. here is a typical Mahra

Even the Reshaeedah Arab tribe in Sudan, been there for hundreds of years. yet they look nothing like these Somalies.

Somalis don't have Arabic blood. Many Bedouin tribe people don't look very different from these Somali examples I posted but the majority of Somalis couldn't pass based on their ethnic look.

Sinai Bedouins:

http://www.travolution.org/wp-content/themes/travolution/images/slider/04.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6235/6273675676_778a390b78_z.jpg
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000Kynyv70lVSs/s/600/Sinai-Egypt-1798.jpg
https://ewanswanders.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/0.jpg
http://www.seamore-travel.de/images/dahab/sarabit-el-khadim/sinai-bedouin-friends.jpg
http://discoversinai.net/english/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/sinai-bedouin1.jpg
http://middleeastvoices.voanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/reu_sinai_bedouin_700_30may12.jpg
http://wodumedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Sinai-Bedouin-protest-as-part-of-widespread-anger-across-the-Muslim-world-about-a-film-ridiculing-Islams-Prophet-Muhammad-in-the-central-Sinai-oasis-of-Wadi-Feran-Egypt-on-September-14-2012.-Mohammed-SabryAssociated-Press-650x433.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3051/2581088636_82d3846c46.jpg

[Amun]

Not really. In fact it is the other way around. Those examples are not really representative but you can ask Wadaad. He knows more about his people. Average Somalis show way less arabid influenced phenotypes than Eritreans/Ethiopians. On average.

The first one does not really look arabid influenced, more like taurid/dinariform Highland Aethiopid. Also his kinky hairstructre is pretty atypical for Somalis. And the third one seems to be more mediterranoid than arabid for sure, although more East-aethiopid than anything else. But I agree on the rest.

I thought Somalis might have stronger connections to Yemen since they are muslims.

[Methusalem]

Tribal yemenis ? Do you know the difference between a tribal Arab and a tribe-less one ? :)

Look the Mehri people up.


Mehri[1] (var. Meheri, Mahri or Mahra (Arabic: مهري‎), also known as Arab Salah[1] (Somali: Carab Saalax), is one of the largest tribes inhabiting the Al Mahrah Governorate in Yemen, and other countries in the Arabian Peninsula such as the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.[2] The Meheri also inhabit Puntland in northeastern Somalia.

http://www.ctesiphon.com/Images/Arabia-Felix-1932-m.jpg
http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/mec/MECAphotos/Butt-Project/People/Butt-Oman-4583.jpg
http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/mec/MECAphotos/Butt-Project/People/Butt-Oman-4386.jpg
http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/mec/MECAphotos/Butt-Project/People/Butt-Oman-4162.jpg
http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/2011/11/30/Yemen-Hadramout3_2.jpeg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2XYBZzVoUOM/Tzhgx8ReoDI/AAAAAAAAAFo/kESIJa9aVnY/s1600/Black+Arab+1.jpg
http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.files.wordpres s.com/2009/04/yemenis-with-ak47-and-knife.jpg

[Methusalem]

I thought Somalis might have stronger connections to Yemen since they are muslims.

Yes but genetically/phenotypically they are more distant. But I am not an expert as Wadaad for example.

[Amun]

Now come on! :)
You know how we Arabs do it! we intermarriage within the tribes themselves! it has nothing to do with it. My father, his father and his father all married within our tribe ( Hawajr ). its not like they're not convinced about Sudan's Arab tribes :/
plus I already told you, Arab is a culture and a language.
( An Arab is who spoke Arabic as a mother tongue ) Prophet Muhammed PBUP.



Yes, i know that Arab is a general term, the same as Latino. However, you said yourself that you don't intermarriage outside your tribe. and the Shiak of Reshaeedah in Sudan said that they are not convinced by actual Arab origin of Sudanese Arab.
Intermarriages might happen though if it is from parental side, but no way for a women to marry from outside her tribe.

[Methusalem]

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The first one does not really look arabid influenced, more like taurid/dinariform Highland Aethiopid. Also his kinky hairstructre is pretty atypical for Somalis. And the third one seems to be more mediterranoid than arabid for sure, although more East-aethiopid than anything else. But I agree on the rest.

The first doesn't show typical Arabid influence even with a smile on his face, but still, I wouldn't exclude it. The third one looks robust, possibly CM influenced.

[Methusalem]

The first doesn't show typical Arabid influence even with a smile on his face, but still, I wouldn't exclude it. The third one looks robust, possibly CM influenced.

What's your opinion on the other guys?

[singular]

What's your opinion on the other guys?

Mostly agree with Amun.