Classify dark Welshman Ioan Gruffadd and where could he pass

[liamliam]

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[liamliam]

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[Neanderthal]

Atlanto Mediterranid + minor Nordoid influences.

[Atlantic Islander]

Not in Portugal.

[Not a Cop]

Atlantid

[mr. logan]

Thalyd armenized.

[Smaug]

Atlantid. Come on, he is not "dark", he is on the medium skin range. I guess he could pass as Iberian as well.

[Tooting Carmen]

Atlantid. Fits in the British Isles, France, Iberia and Italy.

[Smeagol]

Atlanto-Mediterranid. Looks Iberian.

[Smeagol]

Atlantid. Fits in the British Isles, France, Iberia and Italy.

He's kind of atypical.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I know several people from Orosei in Sardinia who kind of resemble him a bit.
...in fact I can see some similarities between me and him!

[Sikeliot]

Cannot be Sicilian.

[GrebluBro]

I know two girls who drool over him..

[Also]

Atlanto-Med.


Not in Portugal.

Why not?

[SardiniaAtlantis]

South Asian girls tend to go for the olive skinned South Euro types it is definitely my experience so I dont doubt it South Asian lol.

By the way I agree Not in Portugal almost but not quitee...

[Smeagol]

He could fit perfectly in Portugal, he is a Mediterranid, atypical for the British Isles.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Not all Mediterranids can fit in Portugal. We have similar features throughout the mediterranean but we have our own uniqueness per region as well.

[Sikeliot]

Not all Mediterranids can fit in Portugal. We have similar features throughout the mediterranean but we have our own uniqueness per region as well.

I am part Portuguese and I can say that they are one of the most instantly recognizable Southern European groups.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

I have noticed this as well! Sikeliot!!! Hes close but not quite there half portuguese or even somewhat more than that Id believe but not full.

[Sikeliot]

I have noticed this as well! Sikeliot!!! Hes close but not quite there half portuguese or even somewhat more than that Id believe but not full.

He also doesn't pass as Sicilian to me either, which is another part of my ancestry. And that says something since I think you can find Sicilian-looking people in most of Southern Europe (again, not really Portugal), much of the Near East, and even up into the Balkans.

This guy to me is Paleoatlantid dark Cromagnid influenced Brit type.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

But I have known again similar people in Orosei in Sardinia I do remember some study about Sardinians connected to Welsh somehow...

[Sikeliot]

It's because the PaleoSardinian (Cromagnid) type common to the island is also similar to the PaleoAtlantid type in the UK and Ireland. Lily Allen is of this look too.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Yes I agree on Lilly Allen you are correct so both Paleo types are related then makes a lot of sense!

[Smaug]

He's kind of atypical.

He is not.

[Tooting Carmen]

He's kind of atypical.

No he isn't. I agree he looks off in the photos where he has curlier hair and a beard, but otherwise he's a normal Atlantid-looking Welshman, especially in the first two photos.

[Rosier12]

Atlanto-Mediterranid. Looks Iberian

[armenianbodyhair]

Atlantid.

[Smeagol]

He is not.

Then Wales is very different from England, and like Iberia is predominantly Atlanto-Mediterranid.

[Tooting Carmen]

Then Wales is very different from England, and like Iberia is predominantly Atlanto-Mediterranid.

Most Welsh people look the same as other Brits, but it does have a larger minority than elsewhere of Iberian/Mediterranean types.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Atlanto-Med+Brunn.

[Smeagol]

Most Welsh people look the same as other Brits, but it does have a larger minority than elsewhere of Iberian/Mediterranean types.

If Wales is similar to England then this man isn't typical.

[Atlantic Islander]

Why not?

His features... and that smile.

[TrevorXdX]

Atlantid, minor CM

[Gota_type_]

Atlanto-Mediterranid.
In Spain there are many different kind of "Meds", from very dark (almost non-European looking) to pure Atlanto-Med (as in the british isles), and in between there are tonns of looks (after mixing for centuries with alpines, baskids, germanoids, nordids, others meds, and so on), so you can expect that any euro "Med" is appropiate for Spain. And this man passes in Spain, not the most typical Atlanto-Med (since he has a strong jaw) but I know people that look like him.

By the way, the "Med" cathegory is a stupidity. Most people use the "Med" as a synonimous for "non-germanic European". If he has a round head? Alpine. If he is not blonde-blue eyed? Med. The "Med" thing is stupid. We should do like in the USA: "Hispanic White"-"NonHispanic White". In the case of Europa, we should classify as GW (Germanic White) or NGW (non-Germanic White), and then the true Meds (which are a minority and would define those that are very Mediterranean looking, as if they were related with north-africans in looks, and thus non-White).

Spain would be:
-10% GW
-60% NGW.
-15-20% Meds.
-10-15% foreigners.

And with this we put an end to the stupid euro-Med cathegory that tries to unify southEuros with northafricans, which I guess is the main objetive for the "Med" cathegory, to sell southEuros as related with northafricans, when the differences are so huge that it is stupid to put in a same cathegory most southern Europeans with most northern Africans.

[MobyD]

Atlanto-Med. He's not that dark though...

[savvas]

Netherlands, Germany.

https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/037/e35/55cc852ec2ed7b98b1e2028eff2fa0763f-13-ioan-gruffudd.rsquare.w330.jpg
https://ethnicelebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Ioan-Gruffudd.jpg

[Joso]

Some sort of robust atlantid. Likely atlanto-med+brunn.
Pass in Ireland, UK, Iberia, France and ( northern) Italy mostly.

[MobyD]

Some sort of robust atlantid. Likely atlanto-med+brunn.
Pass in Ireland, UK, Iberia, France and ( northern) Italy mostly.

How is he robust?

[Joso]

How is he robust?

Eye orbit shape and nose mostly, he is not so robust but certainly more than average.

[JamesBond007]

Then Wales is very different from England, and like Iberia is predominantly Atlanto-Mediterranid.

What do you know bro ? You are American of Ashkenazi and English descent you have to face the fact that Americans are not British and that the British are superior precisely because we are more Western European here is an English woman from liverpool England compare here to Hillary Clinton :

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[Davystayn]

Why do you keep posting that woman from Liverpool? Liverpool is close to Wales but she is highly atypical, Abby Clancy is also from Liverpool.

Maybe you should visit the UK one day.

As for Ioan he is dark Welsh type, he couldn't from anywhere else

[JamesBond007]

Atlanto-Mediterranid.
In Spain there are many different kind of "Meds", from very dark (almost non-European looking) to pure Atlanto-Med (as in the british isles), and in between there are tonns of looks (after mixing for centuries with alpines, baskids, germanoids, nordids, others meds, and so on), so you can expect that any euro "Med" is appropiate for Spain. And this man passes in Spain, not the most typical Atlanto-Med (since he has a strong jaw) but I know people that look like him.

By the way, the "Med" cathegory is a stupidity. Most people use the "Med" as a synonimous for "non-germanic European". If he has a round head? Alpine. If he is not blonde-blue eyed? Med. The "Med" thing is stupid. We should do like in the USA: "Hispanic White"-"NonHispanic White". In the case of Europa, we should classify as GW (Germanic White) or NGW (non-Germanic White), and then the true Meds (which are a minority and would define those that are very Mediterranean looking, as if they were related with north-africans in looks, and thus non-White).

Spain would be:
-10% GW
-60% NGW.
-15-20% Meds.
-10-15% foreigners.

And with this we put an end to the stupid euro-Med cathegory that tries to unify southEuros with northafricans, which I guess is the main objetive for the "Med" cathegory, to sell southEuros as related with northafricans, when the differences are so huge that it is stupid to put in a same cathegory most southern Europeans with most northern Africans.

The difference between England and Germany :

Germany : Germanic + Akpine

Britain : Gerrmanic + Atlanto-med

That's all folks and ,yes, alpine, is a peasant strain.

[Davystayn]

For a range of what people in Wales look like, Welsh rugby squad is good option: https://www.wru.wales/fixtures-and-teams/teams/wales/

[JamesBond007]

Why do you keep posting that woman from Liverpool? Liverpool is close to Wales but she is highly atypical, Abby Clancy is also from Liverpool.

Maybe you should visit the UK one day.

As for Ioan he is dark Welsh type, he couldn't from anywhere else

Sorry, dude, because Americans are hyper East Anglian types with no dark types. I think because Americans are not Anglican and most are not even episcopalian .. I'm even less exotic than that English woman but I think posting darker type of Brits helps underscore that Americans are bastardized Albino form of British.


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[Davystayn]

There arent many Atlanto Meds in Wales though, the dark types often very pale apart from fake tan fans like Gavin Henson. More paleo atlantids in Wales, the Welsh team will offer a good insight into the types

[JamesBond007]

There arent many Atlanto Meds in Wales though, the dark types often very pale apart from fake tan fans like Gavin Henson. More paleo atlantids in Wales, the Welsh team will offer a good insight into the types

What I'm saying, dude, is Americans are not North-Atlantid and Paleo-Altantid at all like the midlands of England but are hyper albino East Anglian types because of German and Scandinavian admixture that is all I'm saying. I'm not saying East Anglia and Yorkshire are not blonde on average is what I'm saying is Americans are not British like us.

[Davystayn]

Dudley Moore is paleo atlantid, also extremely short. Russell Brand is highly atypical and most likely has distant mixed ancestry. Dark types are about 15%, Dudley Moore types about 5%

[JamesBond007]

Dudley Moore is paleo atlantid, also extremely short. Russell Brand is highly atypical and most likely has distant mixed ancestry. Dark types are about 15%, Dudley Moore types about 5%

Ok, point is Americans are not British because they lack these minority types. Americans are more mixed with Germans and Scandinavians.

Nigga, who do you think talking to as I cluster cluster close to an ancient anglo-saxons here ? : Genetically I cluster with ancient anglo-saxons and I have brown hair and eyes :


Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02772056 West_European:England_Saxon_I0777
0.02932190 West_European:England_Saxon_I0769
0.02996588 West_European:England_Saxon_I0161
0.03050188 West_European:England_Saxon_I0159
0.03401761 West_European:England_Saxon_I0774


http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Ion_Basecul_G25_calculator.htm

[Davystayn]

Agree with you there, people from southern US always look familiar but there aren't any Dudley Moore types come to think of it. These do exist here

You could also say that demographics were very different from 200 years ago.

The people that moved to the US from UK mainly moved early on, so would still demostrate more phenotypes from people circa 1800.

In the last 200 years many people from Ireland and Wales moved to cities in England during the industrial revolution, great many English people have an Irish, Scottish or Welsh ancestry too now, including me. Plus you have more recent immigration from elsewhere in Europe, India etc.

Americans could have phenotypes from UK circa 1800z less mixed, Australians the same. In the US you also have the input from Germany, Sweden etc as well.

[Davystayn]

Anyhow I think you look lowland Scots to me, check out some of your cousins in the Scotland team: https://www.scottishrugby.org/squads/scotland-men/

[Creoda]

What I'm saying, dude, is Americans are not North-Atlantid and Paleo-Altantid at all like the midlands of England but are hyper albino East Anglian types because of German and Scandinavian admixture that is all I'm saying. I'm not saying East Anglia and Yorkshire are not blonde on average is what I'm saying is Americans are not British like us.
I doubt you could name someone from the Midlands without googling, or for that matter East Anglia and probably even Yorkshire.

[Zeno]

Atlantid/Atlanto-Med.

Can fit in Greece.