gypsy crime, pickpocketing, fraud, theft

[Mortimer]

Wouldn't a hand in a pocket be a more fitting flag? ;)

originally by a german on my thread at anthroscape.

response
only if Islam should be represented by a suicide bomber and europe by a pedophilic catholic priest or a mass killer like breivik or a genocidal maniac like hitler

Quote what i wrote
certain ethnic Groups are overly represented by certain crimes, for gypsies it is theft and fraud. certain muslim Groups for example are overly represented in the rape statistics of europe. and the Profile of a Amok mass killer is White, like School shooter. also the famous pedophiles are White, josef fritzel who raped his own daughter, there is even a dutch pedophile Party and the founder was arressted for possessing child porn. gypsy crime is not worst then other crime.

comment: if someone steals your wallet or commits some Kind of fraud like promising to wash your car but then cheats you or to tell your fortune for Money and cheats you it is usually a gypsy, but if someone gang rapes a Young Girl somewhere in europe or blasts himself in a sucide bombing it is usually a muslim and the crazy mass killer is usually a White lunatic like breivik. also genocide, ethnic cleansing and industrialised killings are characterics of european history more then elsewhere (not saying only europeans do it but a fortune telling swindler isnt always a gypsy either).

under the line not individualising People from a ethnic Group but calling them all a secretive criminal Society who's Goal is to cheat and steal on the gadjo is very discriminatory. like calling all jews new world order conspiracists etc. also Integration Problems which arise with certain ethnic Groups should be coped in a democratic way and not racist way

[Anglojew]

Are there rules associated with Gypsy crime gangs, like a code of behaviour? How do they organise their territories in which to operate for instance? Are they centralised with one "Don" and several cells or families reporting to the Don or is it unregulated?

[Mortimer]

Are there rules associated with Gypsy crime gangs, like a code of behaviour? How do they organise their territories in which to operate for instance? Are they centralised with one "Don" and several cells or families reporting to the Don or is it unregulated?

i dont even know, im completely unrelated to gypsy crime. im a law abiding citizen and besides my relatives and a few neighours which i made once a year on Holidays in serbia, i dont know many gypsies. well there is one in my town with his Family, he works. he used to have a small Transportation Business, driving a small truck and Transport things. was self-employed.

[alfieb]

What about now? On the dole?

[Mortimer]

What about now? On the dole?

what you mean? the guy? i didnt met him since a time.

[Mortimer]

i found something interesting

There is no doubt that racism fans the flames of anti-Rom sentiment. Having South Asian physical features, Roma are darker than most Balkan peoples and thus readily identifiable. Xenophobic nationalist organizations target Roma as a threat to national and racial "purity." Centuries of stereotyping also play a significant role in anti-Rom sentiment which gives rise to individual and group violence. One of the most common stereotypes is that Roma are criminals. In fact, the word tsigan in many European languages means thief or cheater, similar to the English verb "to gyp" (from Gypsy), meaning to cheat. The media reinforce these stereotypes by reporting the ethnicity of Rom criminal suspects while withholding the ethnicity of others. In fact, according to the Project on Ethnic Relations 1992 Report on Roma in Central and Eastern Europe, the rate of conviction for theft is no higher among Roma than the national averages, and the rates for murder and rape are far lower. The few reliable studies of "Gypsy criminality" strongly question the stereotype; a 1982 Hungarian study concluded that while crime by Roma is twice that national average, less than 1.5 percent of Roma commit criminal offenses. A 1991 Hungarian survey claims that the rate of criminal behavior in poor Rom neighborhoods is not higher than the rate in poor non-Rom neighborhoods, suggesting that the most important factor to consider is poverty, not ethnicity. - See more at: http://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/albania/persecution-and-politicization-roma-gypsies-eastern#sthash.J5W5qS4Z.dpuf

[StonyArabia]

No, certainly not, there are many Gypsies/Romas who are hard working people and want to be given the same opportunity as anyone else. However they are often limited because of the racism and prejudice that is ingrained in society. Thus society makes it difficult for them to be like other people. When people are continually marginalized, they often resort for crime in order to survive. This racism can be seen in the Czech and Slovak republics were they still practice racial segregation in their school system. What this means that Romani children are often given inferior education. This inferior education does not help them much, and hence the cycle of poverty continues, and with it crime.

There has been many Romani who have done positive contributions, and if given the chance they can do anything that they want to do.

[Ultra]

They are over-representative together with muslims in a lot of types of crimes here in Sweden primarily theft and mugging, often refuse to integrate and exploit our social welfare system to the max, move around and set up tents at places here and there leaving nothing but a mess behind, majority of our beggars are gypsies, over-representative in certain types of frauds etc, there's no reason to like them and plenty of reasons to dislike them. They aren't judged here based on their race/ethnicity but because of their behaviour and stupid backwards- and theft-lifestyle promoting culture... Besides, when they beg for money they often use very low tricks and made up "tragic" stories which they show on a paper with their severely lacking Swedish skills etc they just play on peoples' empathy in a very fraudulent manner.



I'm very quite disgusted by the average gypsy's lifestyle.

[Ultra]

No, certainly not, there are many Gypsies/Romas who are hard working people and want to be given the same opportunity as anyone else. However they are often limited because of the racism and prejudice that is ingrained in society. Thus society makes it difficult for them to be like other people. When people are continually marginalized, they often resort for crime in order to survive. This racism can be seen in the Czech and Slovak republics were they still practice racial segregation in their school system. What this means that Romani children are often given inferior education. This inferior education does not help them much, and hence the cycle of poverty continues, and with it crime.

There has been many Romani who have done positive contributions, and if given the chance they can do anything that they want to do.
In Sweden they are given more opportunities and amounts of welfare than anybody else, and then by A LOT, well our MENA and East African immigrants being an exception, yet they still fail to integrate and learn Swedish and find a job. They are really a useless people.

[riverman]

i found something interesting

There is no doubt that racism fans the flames of anti-Rom sentiment. Having South Asian physical features, Roma are darker than most Balkan peoples and thus readily identifiable. Xenophobic nationalist organizations target Roma as a threat to national and racial "purity." Centuries of stereotyping also play a significant role in anti-Rom sentiment which gives rise to individual and group violence. One of the most common stereotypes is that Roma are criminals. In fact, the word tsigan in many European languages means thief or cheater, similar to the English verb "to gyp" (from Gypsy), meaning to cheat. The media reinforce these stereotypes by reporting the ethnicity of Rom criminal suspects while withholding the ethnicity of others. In fact, according to the Project on Ethnic Relations 1992 Report on Roma in Central and Eastern Europe, the rate of conviction for theft is no higher among Roma than the national averages, and the rates for murder and rape are far lower. The few reliable studies of "Gypsy criminality" strongly question the stereotype; a 1982 Hungarian study concluded that while crime by Roma is twice that national average, less than 1.5 percent of Roma commit criminal offenses. A 1991 Hungarian survey claims that the rate of criminal behavior in poor Rom neighborhoods is not higher than the rate in poor non-Rom neighborhoods, suggesting that the most important factor to consider is poverty, not ethnicity. - See more at: http://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/albania/persecution-and-politicization-roma-gypsies-eastern#sthash.J5W5qS4Z.dpuf


Says the racist. Get real, you're making a fool of yourself with your hypocrisy.:picard2:

[Windischer]

No, certainly not, there are many Gypsies/Romas who are hard working people and want to be given the same opportunity as anyone else. However they are often limited because of the racism and prejudice that is ingrained in society. Thus society makes it difficult for them to be like other people. When people are continually marginalized, they often resort for crime in order to survive. This racism can be seen in the Czech and Slovak republics were they still practice racial segregation in their school system. What this means that Romani children are often given inferior education. This inferior education does not help them much, and hence the cycle of poverty continues, and with it crime.

There has been many Romani who have done positive contributions, and if given the chance they can do anything that they want to do.

1. nobody keeps majority of gypsies from cleaning up their environment, nobody keeps them from living like civilized people. they are actually encouraged to do so. interestingly, any place with massive gypsy settlement is a dirty shithole. there are several such shitholes around my village. also random junk everywhere, in forests, around roads, simply everywhere.
2. no segregation in school system here.
3. what the fk is "given inferior education". if they wanted education the children would actually care about school and their parents would do something about it besides drinking and smoking through all their welfare money.
4. children from gypsy settlements and ghettos have extremely cheap (almost free) school lunch, school tools (pens, pencils, rulers etc), their parents get welfare bonus if their children attend school etc. none of that for nongypsy children and their parents. those poor gypsies, though?
5. because of inbreeding, many children are retarded.
6. am in favour for segregation in schools. children that are outright dumb cant be in one class with average children because whole education process gets fked up. same goes for segregating average from the bright, otherwise the bright ones would be dragged down to averageness.
7. well, am glad that you at least figured out that there are indeed some decent gypsies.

[Mortimer]

Im sure some or many of Roma uncivilised traditions and Situation is a result of millenia old discrimination and resulting survival tactics by the Roma it is adopted from Generation to Generation. It is hard to breed it out and you cant achieve it in a decade of "roma inclusion". We Need hundred years to breed it out. Remember Roma have not even be a Nation 40 years ago. On Romani World Meeting in 1970 they first adopted a Flag and Official Name Roma for their Nation and were recognised as a Nation without Terretory. I think they still dont have a vote in UN like all other Nations and a Seat. They dont have their own Country, Army, Police neither Model Industry or Historians, Proffessors, Scientists etc. Basically they are a very weak People and it is easy to prey on them, discriminate them etc. I think Historians, Sociologists, Anthropologists, Geneticists, Criminologists etc. should study the Roma and their Customs, Traditions etc. and genetic diseases, and what they inherited genetically, what is survival tactic etc. But it should not be politically motivated and biased like Nazi Research by Doctor Mengele or Nazi Scientists etc. Then there should be brought up concepts of Integration in a democratic way and how to breed out millenia old Status of Roma as Pariahs. It is not raining Milk and Honey but when there is economic Problems and Downfall Roma are the first to suffere and be scapegoated and Roma hate inflames again. Like after Downfall of Communism in Eastern Europe. They cant be brought to the highest Standard not even all Europeans live on the highest Standard, but to breed out their Status as "eternal pariahs" should be Goal. I mean all I hear is just prejudice that "all Roma are primitive trash who should be deportet to India". Whenever the Question of Roma arises. There will always be a good deal of People who say that they are foreign parasites on European Soil and should be deportet to India if not right out killed, gased etc.

[Smeagol]

They dont have their own Country, .

If they did, where would it be?

[Mortimer]

If they did, where would it be?

roma dont Need a own Country, they can recognised as a Nation without terretory and still have their rights. well a roma Country is quiete delusional and unachievable not in 200 years

[Smeagol]

roma dont Need a own Country, they can recognised as a Nation without terretory and still have their rights. well a roma Country is quiete delusional and unachievable not in 200 years

But wouldn't they be better off with their own people?

[Mortimer]

But wouldn't they be better off with their own people?

no one forbids you to socialise with whom you want. i can socialise with roma if i want despite living in a other Country, i can practice my culture etc. we live in a free world. if some roma dont want thats ok too, you can socialise with whomever you want. there should be no Limits, "if you are a roma you Need to have a roma wife and roma friends only and live only with roma etc." thats Fascist.

[Mortimer]

also the stereotype of roma are criminals Fails to acknowledge that roma can be victims of crime too especially hate crime.

in hungary roma get targeted by snipers and killed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-jsq1tqmmzA