What should be done with Russians ?

[The Lawspeaker]

As inspired by Hors thread about "New Europeans" which was specifically aimed at Finnics although he tried to masquerade it otherwise. What should be done with Russians ? Should we consider them European while they brought not but death and misery to Europeans and actually subjugating them to an almost Asian-like tyranny based on outright terror ? Do you believe that we can still allow them to be part of the family of the European family and hope they will fit in one day or should we ignore them to kick the lot of them behind the Urals ?

[Osweo]

Seems Lawspeaker has a short memory, and is longsighted, having somehow forgotten about the naughty behaviour of his closer Eastern neighbour, whose 'Europeanness' he would be hard-placed to challenge, and yet whose naughtiness was easily up in the same league with that with Soso Stalin presided over...

Hors =/= Russia! (Slava Bogam!)

I'm still toying with the potential escape route that Russian citizenship might afford me some day, by the way, so don't be too harsh on my potential future compatriots, Dear Comrade Apriciennes!

[L-F Céline]

I'm still toying with the potential escape route that Russian citizenship might afford me some day, by the way, so don't be too harsh on my potential future compatriots, Dear Comrade Apriciennes!

You should stay in England and fight 'till the end, right now France seems to be a hotspot for German and English who thought that moving to France would give them the opportunity to espace from the Turks and Pakistanis... Only for them to find out that it was very much the same down here.

[Cato]

Let's show em how we deal with dem damn Russkies downtown.

http://static.open.salon.com/files/wolverines1243660629.jpg

[Tabiti]

Just invoke Stalin again;)

[Motörhead Remember Me]

Hopefully, the Russians will self destruct.

Kursk, Tchernobyl, Gulag, Stalin...

The rest should be kicked out of OUR part of Europe. Our ancestral home.

We were here first.

[Atlas]

Seriously, their population is aging and we shouldn't be too happy about their fate... alcohol (among the young people), corruption (police, politicians) and war with muslims (Chechenya), western Europe should maybe prepare for it aswell.

[Murphy]

Pray for them and may God have mercy on them.

Regards,
Eóin.

[Osweo]

Seriously, their population is aging and we shouldn't be too happy about their fate... alcohol (among the young people), corruption (police, politicians) and war with muslims (Chechenya), western Europe should maybe prepare for it aswell.

You know, it doesn't seem nearly as bad as all that when you're actually there. I suspect that our media has a vested interest in making things look worse Over There, in order to breed a false sense of 'our life is the best it could possibly be, pity those poor unfortunates who live elsewhere'... And dehumanising the enemy like this is a good necessary preparation for aggressive foreign policies.

[Sally]

I just ate some smetana.

[RoyBatty]

Seriously, their population is aging and we shouldn't be too happy about their fate... alcohol (among the young people), corruption (police, politicians) and war with muslims (Chechenya), western Europe should maybe prepare for it aswell.

Latest Russ population trends:



Mizdravsotsrazvitiya: In Russia the first time in 15 years recorded population growth
29.09.2009 19:20 | k2kapital
In Russia the first time in 15 years recorded a natural population growth, said today the Minister of Health and Social Development Tatyana Golikova. According to the Minister at a meeting of the interdepartmental working group on the national project "Health", in August 2009 was marked by natural population growth of 1 thousand people.

Experts still find it difficult to give a clear assessment of the figures named Golikova. At birth could have a positive impact "unpacking" maternal capital, as well as the fact that it is now fixed by the wave of births, which was "programmed" in 2008 - at sunset "fat years".

Some also noted the paradoxical effect of the crisis to improve the demographic situation. The fall of population decline, noted in the January-August 2009, may be associated with a decrease in alcohol consumption because of economic turmoil.



http://finance.rambler.ru/news/economics/52777555.html

The populations in Europe and the US are being pushed up because of immigration which is displacing the current majorities. Imo Russia's position isn't currently as bad as Europe's will be in a couple of decades.

FLASH NEWSUPDATE!:~

Comrade Loki ( :D ) was kind enough to provide a population graph here, calculated up to Jan 2009. Notice how the graph has levelled off and is currently moving horizontally.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Population_of_Russia.PNG/800px-Population_of_Russia.PNG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_of_Russia.PNG

[Nationalitist]

What should be done with Russians ? Should we consider them European while they brought not but death and misery to Europeans and actually subjugating them to an almost Asian-like tyranny based on outright terror ? Do you believe that we can still allow them to be part of the family of the European family and hope they will fit in one day or should we ignore them to kick the lot of them behind the Urals ?

Comming from a Dutch...:rolleyes:

[Atlas]

I was not aware of the latest population surveys in Russia. Good. Will that be enough though ?

[Osweo]

I don't see the problem with falling populations. Seems just fetishism to me. Strong borders and sensible ethnic policies are all that's needed. We don't need extra millions of us, certainly not in England, which is pretty full up. Better that there were less people, with better lifestyle aspirations, protected by a state that had the nation's interests at heart. Until then....

[Mc Queen]

World is biggest than our supremacy dreams...

We Need Russia as brother than enemy, because the multipolar world of future , will see a very strong China , an hungry America, and a smart Nuclear Power in India, other than other threat (nobody think, that, for example, Brazil is not only the land of Samba and Pelè, but an high ranking Economy?)

Better have a friendly Russia than an other Enemy for Western Europe...

Nobody read Spengler or Haushofer?

[Osweo]

Nobody read Spengler or Haushofer?
I don't know Haushofer, but am reading Spengler now, actually. What is your point - Spengler seems to be demonstrating how Russia is not 'in synch' with us, and being of a different 'Culture' is hard to empathise with. Doesn't he seem to indicate that Russia is younger than us, with a longer future ahead of her? How does that help us? I don't fully accept all that Spengler has to say, by any means, but he's not a complete fool.

[British and Proud]

Seems Lawspeaker has a short memory, and is longsighted, having somehow forgotten about the naughty behaviour of his closer Eastern neighbour, whose 'Europeanness' he would be hard-placed to challenge, and yet whose naughtiness was easily up in the same league with that with Soso Stalin presided over...

Hors =/= Russia! (Slava Bogam!)

I'm still toying with the potential escape route that Russian citizenship might afford me some day, by the way, so don't be too harsh on my potential future compatriots, Dear Comrade Apriciennes!

Bingo! The Russians seem to be more racially aware than us, and it could be one of the few refuges for people seeking sanctuary from the racially plural, crypto-Commie EU.

[Motörhead Remember Me]

Bingo! The Russians seem to be more racially aware than us, and it could be one of the few refuges for people seeking sanctuary from the racially plural, crypto-Commie EU.

Racially aware tatarmongolslavics?

[Lysander]

Biased poll :). Russian society as a whole is far more sane than western European is right now.

Russophobia is so 80:ies.


Racially aware tatarmongolslavics?
Why can't Mongolians or Slavs be racially aware?

Further, many Europeans can't tell apart the different "Russian peoples". They think Stalin was a Russian...
The real Slavic Russians look just as European as Poles or other Slavs do.

[Motörhead Remember Me]

Biased poll :). Russian society as a whole is far more sane than western European is right now.


You need to visit Russia

[Hweinlant]

Russians, my dear white brothers :D:D:D

Seriously, I love them like Turks and Arabs. Much love. :thumb001:

Honestly , there is no such thing as genetic Russian. There is bolshevik fucks, which also means multikulti; slavs (pan-slavs).

There are nationalist turks (Kazan), nationalist turks (Sakha) and most importantly, Imperialist Fucks, known as RUSSIANS.

They pretend that there exist two things: Russian nationalists and Russians. Bullshit. Have you ever seen this distinction ?

Same fucking commie slavs, some look like Europeans and some dont. Both think Soviet Union was great and Stalin was great leader. None of them h8's Soviet Union as it is their homeland.

Their hero's are guys like Genrikh Yagoda and Matvei Berman. Google them. Soviet Fucks.

[sevruk]

bump!

[Zmey Gorynych]

It's not what some should/might do to russians but what russians will do to others :)

[sevruk]

It's not what some should/might do to russians but what russians will do to others :)

yes, I think after a while, many will dream about how to Russian conquered them :) at least, the Norwegians are making a movie about it

[Chrissi]

Whats the point of this topic its all just irrational insults and nonsense fixated on Russians. Wth do you even care about them if you hate them so much why even talk about them. You must have had some traumatic experiences. I guess its supposed to be funny but its none of your ** business what Russians do or are and whats going on over there politically or socially. Funny enough a Brit or Italian with your embarrising shithouse society and modern culture would even badmouth anyone elses. Do you really have to bring up over and over again how Russians are mongols and turks either educate yourself or just stfu once again its none of your business anyway. Sad people.

[Hayalet]

Kick the lot of them behind the Urals.
Behind being east or west? :)

[member]

Russians, my dear white brothers :D:D:D

Seriously, I love them like Turks and Arabs. Much love. :thumb001:

Honestly , there is no such thing as genetic Russian. There is bolshevik fucks, which also means multikulti; slavs (pan-slavs).

There are nationalist turks (Kazan), nationalist turks (Sakha) and most importantly, Imperialist Fucks, known as RUSSIANS.

They pretend that there exist two things: Russian nationalists and Russians. Bullshit. Have you ever seen this distinction ?

Same fucking commie slavs, some look like Europeans and some dont. Both think Soviet Union was great and Stalin was great leader. None of them h8's Soviet Union as it is their homeland.

Their hero's are guys like Genrikh Yagoda and Matvei Berman. Google them. Soviet Fucks.

So, you hate ALL Russians?

You're like Karl with your point of "view" on East (bad, bad, bad). I knew you weren't trying to say a compliment with one of your favourite epithets Eastern European Eastern Baltic Lithuanians ;)

[Anglojew]

Russians, defenders of the Eastern flank of Europe for millennia, are justifiably cruel sometimes for that reason. They are equally welcoming and warm but often misunderstood by "Westerners". They are the heirs to Byzantium and Moscow is the Third Rome. They are the only true power left in Europe.

[Norka]

So people continue to call all Russians Mongol/Turks. I think I look more European than all of these uneducated dirty mouthed dogs that make a thread like this. Go educate yourself by reading books and not only scrolling through the internet looking for shit some 10 year old heard in his poorly funded school.

[Hayalet]

Russians, defenders of the Eastern flank of Europe for millennia, are justifiably cruel sometimes for that reason. They are equally welcoming and warm but often misunderstood by "Westerners". They are the heirs to Byzantium and Moscow is the Third Rome. They are the only true power left in Europe.
If the Russian Empire was one thing, it was anti-Semitic. :)

[Anglojew]

If the Russian Empire was one thing, it was anti-Semitic. :)

Jews attained positions of power including aristocracy in Russia under the Czars;
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Jewish_nobility

The question contemporary anyway.

[Burkean]

Russophobia almost always comes from the small nations with the inferiority complexes. They think that if Russia is big and unfortunately had a red line through 75 years of its 1000-year history so 'these angry russians fall asleep with a thought to occupate someone else'. It can be understood from the side of Icelanders, or Netherlanders who are too far from the russian reality. But it's really stupid when such words come from finns ( that had a long story of swedish occupation, much more long and crucial than privileged position in the Russian Empire as its avantgarde. Also funny to read from the Finns that russians are asian commies. Firstly, because the main reason of cutting Finland's autonomy in Russian Empire was an enormous quantity of revolutionnary scum there. Secondly, because they are Uralic people. I don't say it's bad but it really can't be less mongolic than Russians ). Or from Hungarians who know about russian dirty words but had surprisingly forgotten about brave russian men who, being driven only by their humanism and high moral principles ( they hadn't any other interests ), supported anticommie rebels in 1956 in Budapest despite they were USSR soldiers and this was a breaking of the order. It's really pitiful that even Englishmen come to defend us from those who were once or more defended by us and who forgot their 'europeanity', may be, by some lack of reserverance or due to the propaganda. But still saying about russian commies is a very. Very. Unfunny and stupid 'joke'. Russians have much more than communism in their history.

[Kastrioti1443]

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[PeacefulCaribbeanDutch]

russians are okay, they just have a bad culture at times, I think if they grow up just like polish second generation in the west, they become normal. So nothing should be done about them, except hope their culture becomes more modern.

[Szegedist]

Or from Hungarians who know about russian dirty words but had surprisingly forgotten about brave russian men who, being driven only by their humanism and high moral principles ( they hadn't any other interests ), supported anticommie rebels in 1956 in Budapest despite they were USSR soldiers and this was a breaking of the order.

Sure there were some good souls, but were they majority? Must we only look at these few good men, and ignore the rest?

[Burkean]

Sure there were some good souls, but were they majority? Must we only look at these few good men, and ignore the rest?

Every society is divided on 'elites' or 'the best people' and others. There is nothing surprising in that fact, I guess. So, without such active and inspirated persons every nation would behave as a 'bad soul'. You shouldn't also forgot that Russians were butchered through the totalitarian socialist state that had a great machine of suppression of any 'free thought'. There were a lot of those who opposed the soviet regime but they were killed/sent to Kolyma or emigrated in anyway. These were the best russian people ( and if you want to know, anti-soviet existence in Russia existed through all the period of the USSR ) most of the 'ordinary people' lived in fear or were extremely limited in their possibility to influence somehow on the political system. Also, the ideological pressure has done its work, especially after the decline of the Soviet Union.
If to speak on the modern situations, there are more and more 'good russians' from day to day, firstly among the youth. And this is amazing for the nation with such a past (the USSR) that they are even alive, because even now we don't have our national state and the USSR still exists (the Russian Federation is its lawful offspring), even now we are made to resist - openly or latently - resist to it.
But these speeches may seem to naive because of the latitude of their subject. What I really want to say is that some bad situation with the most of Russians is
1)exaggerated by some political position or propaganda
2)has its historical ground and hasn't appeared just from some 'natural slavery of russians' or according to other such superficial sentences. It will good for you firstly to assess totally the strength of our national tragedy of the XXth century. And also deal with the fact that there is no european state that has survived any similar change in the national life as it was in Russia after 1917. Even the French Revolution of 1789 was less onerous ( though it still has some consequences for Europe that cannot be considered health ) to the traditional society ( i mean by this such society that has more or less organic history and healthy development ).
So, nothing is too simp;e in the case of Russia. This is a great theme for discussions - both academical and 'kitchen talks'.

[Illancha]

"What should be done with Russians?"

*Sigh*

I have no idea.

[archangel]

well for me Türkic nations such as Tatars and Chuvashes plus Finno Ugric ones like Komis and Maris should gain their indepence from russia

[Burkean]

well for me Türkic nations such as Tatars and Chuvashes plus Finno Ugric ones like Komis and Maris should gain their indepence from russia

For what purpose?

[Cleitus]

:bored:

[HispaniaSagrada]

Russians in general look pretty white to me.

[Agron Kastrati]

They're White and Europeans and just because Putin is enslaving them, it doesn't mean that they're to be "kicked beyond the Urals", instead urgent help is to be given to them.

[silentkiller]

Topicstarter, too much russophobia and stamps.
You are proposing to resettle for Russians beyound the Urals.
But any resettlement or acquisition of territory involves military intervention, you will go to war?
Did you ever serve in the military?
I think you didn't. Because most of you are just afraid to say in the face of the Russian person what you are talking about here.
Try to say something like it to my neighbour, and watch his reaction on your proposal.
And the fact that you are sitting in front of a computer, also will not change anything. Of course, you can help the Russian people - for example, organize Assistance Fund on Cultural Identity of Russians and sacrifice there your property.
But I do not believe that you will dare to take such a step, so you just can criticize the Russians on the forums like it and live on among immigrants in your own countries.
I have a feeling that it'll be poured the torrent of abuse over me after this post and it will prove me your worthlessness once again.