Classify Kekkonen

[Hweinlant]

Urho Kekkonen, perhaps an KGB spy, perhaps the greatest Finnish patriot ever. President of Finland for very very long time:

http://www.chaplin.ee/fotod/Kekkonen.jpg
http://www.savonsanomat.fi/multimedia/dynamic/00034/Paasikivi_Kekkonen_34967b.jpg
http://www.pohjois-savonmuisti.fi/verkko_nayttelyt/pohjoissavonlehtikuvia/06/Images/1234,1207.jpg
http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1101978428130.jpeg

Kekkonen and Hrutshev (president of CCCP, in the middle) were good friends. Once Hrutshev asked him: Why do we need to have this border between Finland and Soviet Union, we are so good friends, cant we be one country ?

Kekkonen replied: I'm too old to govern so big country...

[Absinthe]

Second and third picture, he looks like a Borreby. First picture, he looks Keltic. I don't know... :o

[Äike]

Cro-Magnon.

[Hweinlant]

So Cromag, Borreby and Celt.. Lets have some more. Imo he looks like kick ass mofo and Nordeby. His ancestry is from northeast Finland (Kuusamo).

[ikki]

So Cromag, Borreby and Celt.. Lets have some more. Imo he looks like kick ass mofo and Nordeby. His ancestry is from northeast Finland (Kuusamo).

heheh, and his birth home had to be modified to better suit the propaganda.. like the smokestack removed :D

[Absinthe]

Nordeby...I likey, I likey! :thumbs

[Hweinlant]

http://www.freewebs.com/hiihtojoukkuekuvat/ukk.gif

Ikki will be forever banished to easter Islands. - Kekkonen.


http://greencraft.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/easter-island.jpg

[ikki]

yeah nordeby fits pretty well, not quite as powerfully built as a cromagnon would be. Borreby isnt bad either. Celt.. *shrug*.

[Absinthe]

yeah nordeby fits pretty well, not quite as powerfully built as a cromagnon would be. Borreby isnt bad either. Celt.. *shrug*.
I said he looks like a Celt in the first photo. ;)

[Goidelic]

His Northern European Borreby & Keltic traits were even more obvious when he was younger: He looks similar to my father who is of Gaelic Irish & Ulster-Scots ancestry and I'd say Kekkonen could pass for Irish/British Isles & definitely Continental Germanic like German & Dutch. Not surprising these "Celtic" traits show up, since the Celts were in Scandinavia as well as Finland for a while.

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/43/99343-004-BD8CD48F.jpg - Irish looking imo.

He also resembles this Irish looking Finn: "As Celts were formerly living in Finland, Russia, and Central Europe, east of the Elbe, it is somewhat strange that there are few, if any, Dolmen in those quarters." "The Celts were a widespread group of tribes that flourished between the 8th and 1st centuries BC. " "In fact, the marked peculiarity and charm of Celtic poetry exist as strongly in the literature of Finland, and are apparently the result, not of race, but of an isolated life, in lonely forests or hills, a life lived by a dispossessed and unsuccessful people." "The Irish and Scotch appear to have some genetic links to the peoples of Finland and the Scandianvian countries - and it didn't all come in with the Viking invasions either." "Celts and Finno Ugric’s alike moved down the same tracks, enchanted by folk music and folklore, and using language as a marker for national identity. "

http://www.kolumbus.fi/vaino.ruottinen/index.3.jpg

[Osweo]

"As Celts were formerly living in Finland, Russia, and Central Europe, east of the Elbe, it is somewhat strange that there are few, if any, Dolmen in those quarters." "The Celts were a widespread group of tribes that flourished between the 8th and 1st centuries BC. " "In fact, the marked peculiarity and charm of Celtic poetry exist as strongly in the literature of Finland, and are apparently the result, not of race, but of an isolated life, in lonely forests or hills, a life lived by a dispossessed and unsuccessful people." "Celts and Finno Ugric’s alike moved down the same tracks, enchanted by folk music and folklore, and using language as a marker for national identity. "


Oh man, that's the biggest steamingest pile of Celto-bollocks I've seen in a long time... :eek:

[Äike]

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/43/99343-004-BD8CD48F.jpg - Irish looking imo.



Finns and Irish people are both UP survivors, that creates the similar looks. Celts aren't one of the reasons why Finns and Irish people look similar.

When did Celts (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Celts_in_Europe.png) reach Finland?

[Loki]

In general, I don't think think Finnic people and Celts (Irish) look similar at all. The only real resemblance could be light eyes and fair skin.

[ikki]

In general, I don't think think Finnic people and Celts (Irish) look similar at all. The only real resemblance could be light eyes and fair skin.

There is a population that has that celtish look.


That said, well, finns being elves in the forests not liking being bothered... and the singing and drinking of the irish :D Well, as a pet theory without any actual basis, ive made up my mind finns must have been irish elves that got tired of being bothered and finally just sailed off eastwards :D

[Äike]

In general, I don't think think Finnic people and Celts (Irish) look similar at all. The only real resemblance could be light eyes and fair skin.

There are Cro-Magnons among both people, Irish people and Finnic people. Cro-Magnons are UP survivors.


Of modern nationalities, Finns are closest to Cro-Magnons in terms of anthropological measurements.

[Osweo]

In general, I don't think think Finnic people and Celts (Irish) look similar at all. The only real resemblance could be light eyes and fair skin.
I have only met a handful of Finns in my life, but even of them there was one man who looked uncannily like an Irish cousin of mine. :thumb001:

None of these Suomi fellers are lucky enough to look like me, though? Poor unfortunate craithers with their swarth-deficient skins... :(

[Goidelic]

Finns and Irish people are both UP survivors, that creates the similar looks. Celts aren't one of the reasons why Finns and Irish people look similar.

When did Celts (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Celts_in_Europe.png) reach Finland?

I'm not exactly sure when Celts reached Finland, I couldn't really find any sources regarding that. I read on google books that some Celts were in Finland. However, I do believe a few reached Finland but not enough to change the whole ethno-demographics of the nation by any means at that time. ;):D

I'm thinking since they are both UP, similar overlapping traits are to be found within the Northern European spectrum - Celtic, Finnic, Germanic & Baltic populations. ;)

Another thing that occurred to me is that the Vikings were both in Ireland & Finland, possibly another reason of similarities both old Norse ancestry some possess, where the similarities might occur. A possible other explanation could be that Anglo-Saxons conquered Ireland & Finland where those British Isles traits came into process. ;):tongue

http://openlibrary.org/b/OL6636235M/Anglo-Saxon_coins_found_in_Finland

[Äike]

I have only met a handful of Finns in my life, but even of them there was one man who looked uncannily like an Irish cousin of mine. :thumb001:

None of these Suomi fellers are lucky enough to look like me, though? Poor unfortunate craithers with their swarth-deficient skins... :(

Find the Finn.:p
http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/albumit/m18237/normal_Arvaa_kuka_edustaa_Suomea.jpg

On a more serious note... Finns are indeed quite pale. The amount of platin blonds is just huge in Finland, at least when I last visited Finland. I'm blond myself, but not as blond as a Finn.

[Äike]

Another thing that occurred to me is that the Vikings were both in Ireland & Finland, possibly another reason of similarities both old Norse ancestry some possess, where the similarities might occur. A possible other explanation could be that Anglo-Saxons conquered Ireland & Finland where those British Isles traits came into process. ;):tongue

You have a point there. Most Scandinavians are UP survivors, so that could be one of the reason why Irish people look like they do today. But I'm quite sure that Irish people were UP survivors even before the Vikings. Btw, Anglo-Saxons haven't conquered Finland, as far as I know.


http://openlibrary.org/b/OL6636235M/Anglo-Saxon_coins_found_in_Finland

Arabian coins have been found in Estonia, that doesn't mean that Arabs were to Estonia. Estonia was a Viking country and even had encounters with Icelandic Vikings(read the Icelandic sagas, if you don't believe me).

Some coins found in a country doesn't mean that the original owner of those coins was to the country where they were found. Vikings practiced trade.

[Brännvin]

He actually reminds me a little Motörhead Remember Me (Swedish(Ostroboth), Finn and Saami) hybrid :P

[The Black Prince]

Hard to say, Absinth posted a pic of a boy is that him? Anyway based upon the pics in the first post he's basically Nordid-Cromagnid mixture.


"As Celts were formerly living in Finland, Russia, and Central Europe, east of the Elbe, it is somewhat strange that there are few, if any, Dolmen in those quarters." "The Celts were a widespread group of tribes that flourished between the 8th and 1st centuries BC. " "In fact, the marked peculiarity and charm of Celtic poetry exist as strongly in the literature of Finland, and are apparently the result, not of race, but of an isolated life, in lonely forests or hills, a life lived by a dispossessed and unsuccessful people." "Celts and Finno Ugric’s alike moved down the same tracks, enchanted by folk music and folklore, and using language as a marker for national identity. "

Concerning the Keltic question, don't make the mistake to see the Kelts as an ethnic/genetic unit.. F.i the Irish and Britons belong linguistically to the Keltic group. And some tribes had an etnic/genetic connection with the mainland as the Parisii (Gaul), Belgae (Germanokelten) and Briganti (Celtiberia). But except for these no classical writer ever made the assumption that the people from the British isles where Kelts. They just referred to the others as being Briton, Scoti, Silurian, etc.. Not Celtae/Keltoi.
The idea of Insular Kelts was I think created in the Age of Enlightment when some enlightenend people saw the linguistic connection. That is how it is now used in most literature, as a umbrella term for all of Keltic tongue, not necessar implying a genetic/ethnic identity.

And about Kelts in Northern Europe? maybe some Gaulish traders visited these parts but for the rest it seems not very likely.
About Proto-Kelts (Hallstatt) I'm not so sure, though thats still very speculative.

[Hweinlant]

I'm not exactly sure when Celts reached Finland, I couldn't really find any sources regarding that.

There certainly was! Early christian bishops of Finland were actually British and most likely Celtics. Like the famous Erik:

http://terasmies.pbworks.com/f/1196778860/800px-Henrik_Lalli_Ekman%5B1%5D.jpg

Erik meets the Finnish landlord Lalli :thumb001::D

[Peikko]

He's from North East? Must be Uralid-lappid :P

Nordeby

[Roy]

Borreby.

[Jusarius]

Kekkonen was Savonian from Pielavesi not from Kuusamo.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Urho_Kaleva_Kekkonen.jpg

[Peikko]

Kekkonen was Savonian from Pielavesi not from Kuusamo.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Urho_Kaleva_Kekkonen.jpg
Yes, Kuusamo didn't really sound correct. I think I've visited his birthplace once.

[oh-nahhh]

Borreby.