Christians who fought in Bosnia Army during war in Bosnia

[Gorštak]

Never forget the Christians who fought, and especially those who give their lives for Bosnia.
If you read out how many Muslims civilias were killed, and how many Christians civilians were killed, or how many Muslims religious buildings were destroyed and how many Christians religious buldings were destroyed, it's obvious that Muslims aren't those side who behaved as religious fanatics.
Those guys are great inspiration for me, because of them( of course, not just because of that) we must teach our kids to respect and preserve the churchs just as mosques.

Most famous Christians:

Jovan Divjak is Orthodox, he was general and one of the the most important persons in entire army.
http://www.zaslike.com/files/vdssiqhhopyomunlfxeb.jpg


Dragan Vikić, born in mixed, Orthodox/Catholic marriage was a commander of Special police unit of Bosnia.
http://www.zaslike.com/files/hj99jzn38rcf6vig2psl.jpg

one of most famous Bosnia Army war songs is about him, singer is Mladen Vojicic, also born in mixed Orthodox/Catholic marriage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1nIme1EjAs


Although he declares as atheist, Zeljko Komsic is born in Catholic family. He is now politician, and during war he was ordinary soldier awarded with "golden lily" ,medal for bravery in Bosnia Army. He was wounded during war.
http://www.zaslike.com/files/t8ll0uz61rgiay6ww3u4.jpg


Slavisa Sucur, Orthodox, have reputation as best tank gunner that Bosnia Army had.
http://www.zaslike.com/files/layz7iz9w2ml27slipm1.jpg


Vinko Samarlic, Catholic and member of Special police unit of Bosnia. He is famous because he was determined to be exempt from military because it was supposed that he represent Bosnia in Olympic games(Judo) in Barcelona, but he refused. He was killed during war.
http://www.zaslike.com/files/mpd3a0j2jqz4xwou9r8.jpg


Last goodbye to Major Mihajlo Petrovic, Orthodox.
http://www.zaslike.com/files/fyqlcx7tkk65cv808ck2.jpg


Some random Christians that gave their lives for Bosnia

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http://www.zaslike.com/files/xvokf3wqpw5vp5p2yh.jpg

http://www.zaslike.com/files/r953s5ltba38yv1ej79i.jpg
http://www.zaslike.com/files/zo07lhb8f9wl3qebt8tz.jpg
http://www.zaslike.com/files/r62wly7msfwvme72t5x.jpg
http://www.zaslike.com/files/yjw741ht7q5mn51y1al3.jpg
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May God have mercy on the souls of all the dead soldiers of the Bosnian Army.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToAXTGujiXI

[Anglojew]

So why didn't they fight for Serbia?

[RandoBloom]

So why didn't they fight for Serbia?

Serbia wanted ethnic pure teritory, and greater serbia with no room for others, plus war crimes commited in opening days of the war.

[Anglojew]

Serbia wanted ethnic pure teritory, and greater serbia with no room for others, plus war crimes commited in opening days of the war.

Do you think Bosnians are more tolerant than Serbians?

[RandoBloom]

Do you think Bosnians are more tolerant than Serbians?

Before and during the war they were.
I think that is lost now after all the truth about serbian war crimes have surfaced.

[Hurrem sultana]

Do you think Bosnians are more tolerant than Serbians?

Hopefully not,our "merhamet mentality" is killing us

[Lena]

So why didn't they fight for Serbia?

Some of the people listed are ethnic Croats, why would they fight for Serbs? People in war sometimes chose a different paths, personal ones and it's fine with me. I'm sure there were Muslims in army of RS too.

[Arbërori]

God bles heroes, irregardless of their religious views.

[Gorštak]

Some of the people listed are ethnic Croats, why would they fight for Serbs? People in war sometimes chose a different paths, personal ones and it's fine with me. I'm sure there were Muslims in army of RS too.
There is one "small " difference.
Muslims in Serbs army were cowards, who joined to Serbs because Serbs army was more powerful than Army of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and they didn't believe that we have any chances.
But Christians who decide to stay on same side with Muslims and share the same fate with them at the time
when they were subjected to genocide unseen in Europe after WW2, are true heroes.

[Lena]

There is one "small " difference.
Muslims in Serbs army were cowards, who joined the Serbian Army because Serbs army was more powerful than Army of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and they didn't believe that we have any chances.
But Christians who decide to stay on same side with Muslims and share the same fate with them at the time
when they were subjected to genocide unseen in Europe after WW2, are true heroes.

and the other way around in my eyes. On the other hand, you're just pulling it out of thin air and have no idea about their motives to join one or the other side.

[Hurrem sultana]

rahmet im

[Minesweeper]

Some of the people listed are ethnic Croats, why would they fight for Serbs? People in war sometimes chose a different paths, personal ones and it's fine with me. I'm sure there were Muslims in army of RS too.

I know some of them personally, both Bosniaks and Croats. The war was not a religious one, although it had elements of one.

[Lena]

I know some of them personally, both Bosniaks and Croats. The war was not a religious one, although it had elements of one.

I know (met in the States) one Croat who crossed Miljacka in the middle of winter and went to our side (along with other ppl in group).

[Anatolian Eagle]

http://www.zaslike.com/files/xvokf3wqpw5vp5p2yh.jpg

Does his surname, Domuz, mean anything in Serbo-Croatian languages?

[Lena]

Does his surname, Domuz, mean anything in Serbo-Croatian languages?

No, it has a meaning in your lang.

[dado]

No, it has a meaning in your lang.

actually we use this word but it has different meaning than in turkish

[Lena]

actually we use this word but it has different meaning than in turkish

We do? I never heard of it. It could be only a word game with muža and DoMuz hmmm ?

[Anatolian Eagle]

actually we use this word but it has different meaning than in turkish

What's the meaning?

[Gorštak]

God bles heroes, irregardless of their religious views.
There where also some Albanians in Army of Bosnia, there is song about one unit and one verse is
"Pred dvojicom Šiptara Memeti svaki četnik iz bunkera leti ;)".

[Arbërori]

There where also some Albanians in Army of Bosnia, there is song about one unit and one verse is
"Pred dvojicom Šiptara Memeti svaki četnik iz bunkera leti ;)".

I just lol'd. :lol: That's nice.

[Cokolino]

A great documentary about general Jovan Divjak in English;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmuqWmALnjo

[Cokolino]

A female sniper in the Bosnian army, codenamed Strela (Arrow).
A Bosnian Serb.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7gJPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=qhQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2453,26553&hl=en

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/bosnia041312/s_b18_06300379.jpg

[Gorštak]

Slovenian:bow00001:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q74/s720x720/993895_329502740513371_441913584_n.jpg


And there is in Sarajevo Street of Friedrich Adolf, in the honor of German who lost his life as member of Bosnia Army.
Story about him from 1993:


SARAJEVO, BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina (AP) _ A month ago, Friedrich Adolf was the superintendent of a building in Germany where refugees from Bosnia lived. Now he's a sniper, shooting at Serbs in the hills above Sarajevo.
''I was upset because no one was doing anything concrete about the situation,'' Adolf said. ''One morning I just woke up, packed my things and I went.''
The 42-year-old Adolf, who had no previous military experience, left his wife, 17-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter in a Frankfurt suburb in mid- March and took a bus to the Croatian capital Zagreb. Then, he worked his way down the Dalmatian coast to Bosnia-Herzegovina.
He reported to a Bosnian army garrison at Mount Igman, overlooking Sarajevo, and announced he wanted to volunteer.
His only condition was that he serve in Sarajevo.
''I saw the pictures from Sarajevo,'' he said. ''It was a great place and these people (Serb irregulars) destroyed it.''
His first brush with the grim reality of life in this besieged city came when he tried to cross the airport runway at night to get into the city and report for duty.
The airport is controlled by U.N. forces and is the only route in and out of the city that doesn't cross Serb lines.
''We waited there for a couple of hours so it would be pitch dark,'' he said. ''I saw two women in front, and I thought 'if they can do it, I can do it too.'''
He and others began to run but came under heavy sniper fire. One of the two women was shot and he could hear her screaming.
''U.N. vehicles started chasing me on the runway,'' he said. The U.N. troops detained him and took him to nearby Butmir.
Adolf said he tried to slip into the city by way of the airport six times but was stopped each time.
''On the seventh time, I threw away all my peronal belongings I had brought from Frankfurt and just ran,'' he said. That time, he was successful.
Once out of the U.N. zone, Adolf said he threw himself on the ground and crawled 200 yards to the first Bosnian checkpoint.
For the past two weeks, Adolf has been stationed with Bosnian forces in Stup, a Sarajevo suburb on the western edge of the city, close to the airport.
He and fellow snipers crawl through trenches to firing positions where they try to pick off Serb fighters.
He shares a room with a German-speaking colleague and has become a celebrity here.
''There is something very important for the whole world going on here and I realized this back in Frankfurt,'' he said. ''I wanted to be part of it. I didn't want to sleep through the whole thing.''


I hope that someone wil not get the wrong picture about those volunteers, they weren't mercenaries, members of Bosnia Army didn't had wage.

[Turkophagos]

traitors

[Pontios]

I don't understand how they are able to fight and shoot at people of the same faith as them... Complete shame. :picard2:

[Gorštak]

traitors
Go ond open new topic about Muslims and Jihad, you are not capable for something better than that, GTFO of topic about those heroes.

[KrashNick]

I don't understand how they are able to fight and shoot at people of the same faith as them... Complete shame. :picard2:

Don't know for you guys but for us albanian first is the Nationality second the Religion .

[Pontios]

Go ond open new topic about Muslims and Jihad, you are not capable for something better than that, GTFO of topic about those heroes.

Yea, nice Turkish hat on your avatar. :lol:

[Pontios]

Don't know for you guys but for us albanian first is the Nationality second the Religion .

For me, my religion is first, then my nationality.

[Lucifer]

they prefered to defend the cities they were from than burn them for the glory of some remote capital like zagreb and belgrade :rolleyes:

[Lena]

traitors

We don't know their reasons and I don't wish to speculate here, but what is certain is that some of them died with a lily on their chests and bullets in their backs.

[Gorštak]

We don't know their reasons and I don't wish to speculate here, but what is certain is that some of them died with a lily on their chests and bullets in their backs.
Who ? Those are serious charges, you should say the names if you want that somebody belive you.

[Lena]

Who ? Those are serious charges, you should say the names if you want that somebody belive you.

sure about Cedomir Domuz:

http://prntscr.com/1dd2qs

search it on the web by your self...

[Lucifer]

what is certain is that some of them died with a lily on their chests and bullets in their backs.

no, it's not :picard1:

[Gorštak]

sure about Cedomir Domuz:

http://prntscr.com/1dd2qs

search it on the web by your self...
Just rumors, no real evidence. People write a lot of things on internet , a lot of then aren't true.

[Lena]

Just rumors, no real evidence. People write a lot of things on internet , a lot of then aren't true.

Where there's smoke, there's fire- person gave some specifics, obviously has some ideas about death of Cedomir Domuz.

[Gorštak]

Where there's smoke, there's fire- person gave some specifics, obviously has some ideas about death of Cedomir Domuz.
I will open topic that I have evidence that Serbs are Gypsies.
For 2 years someone will find that topic and think " Where there's smoke, there's fire."

[Lena]

I will open topic that I have evidence that Serbs are Gypsies.
For 2 years someone will find that topic and think " Where there's smoke, there's fire."

This is a serious topic, pls... wanted to make a joke but find it to be inappropriate.

[Marko]

So why didn't they fight for Serbia?

Because Serbs are war criminals.

[Gorštak]

RIP to all people who died fighting for independent, multiethnic and democratic Bosnia and Herzegovina, whatever nation and religion they have been.


http://zaslike.com/files/o0z6gbf60jed6lf1sp.jpgnhttp://zaslike.com/files/a5r7hzepnulailojw2lm.jpg

[LightHouse89]

I did not know there were catholic Bosnians.

[LightHouse89]

So why didn't they fight for Serbia?

Bosnians and Albanians are secular. Some are Christian while others are atheist or muslim.

[Drina]

I did not know there were catholic Bosnians.

There are some Bosniak Catholics as well as a lot of Bosnian-Croats who just refer to themselves as Bosnian.

[RandoBloom]

I did not know there were catholic Bosnians.

Bosniaks. Bosnian is everyone who lives in Bosnia. Bosniak is an ethnicity. And there are Bosniak catholics

[LightHouse89]

Bosniaks. Bosnian is everyone who lives in Bosnia. Bosniak is an ethnicity. And there are Bosniak catholics

:thumb001: thankyuo for clarrifying......wow Yugoslavs are diverse and hard to keep up with :p

[LightHouse89]

There are some Bosniak Catholics as well as a lot of Bosnian-Croats who just refer to themselves as Bosnian.

Interesting. Same with Albanians some of them are catholic....some use to go to my grandmother's church alot. I could tell because I went to school with some of their children.

[Minesweeper]

Bosnians and Albanians are secular. Some are Christian while others are atheist or muslim.

Who told you that? :D

Number of Christians in their army was marginal compared to the number of mujahedins. Without islam, even just ''cultural islam'', Bosniaks are nothing because their secular national identity is not yet developed. Without islam, Hrulj would be a fierce Chetnik or Ustasa. Their founding father was a Pan-islamist who had dreams of an islamic state from Marocco to Indonesia. True, he wasn't an extremist of Taliban proportions but he wasn't moderate either.

Something about this war that you should understand is that all armies had people of all religions in its ranks. Serbian army had pred. muslim unit called ''Odred Mesa Selimovic'' and many muslim individuals who fought in various units. The entire Autonomous Province of Western Bosnia turned their back to government in Sarajevo and fought with Serbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Province_of_Western_Bosnia

So, as a matter of fact, number of muslims who fought with us is much higher than number of Serbs who fought with the muslims. Just sayin'.

[LightHouse89]

Who told you that? :D

Number of Christians in their army was marginal compared to the number of mujahedins. Without islam, even just ''cultural islam'', Bosniaks are nothing because their secular national identity is not yet developed. Without islam, Hrulj would be a fierce Chetnik or Ustasa. Their founding father was a Pan-islamist who had dreams of an islamic state from Marocco to Indonesia. True, he wasn't an extremist of Taliban proportions but he wasn't moderate either.

Something about this war that you should understand is that all armies had people of all religions in its ranks. Serbian army had pred. muslim unit called ''Odred Mesa Selimovic''. The entire Autonomous Province of Western Bosnia turned their back to government in Sarajevo and fought with Serbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Province_of_Western_Bosnia

So, as a matter of fact, number of muslims who fought with us is much higher than number of Serbs who fought with the muslims. Just sayin'.

Europeans are incapable of becoming apart of that retarded bullshit from the desert lands. The people of the desert lands are cursed with retardation whether they are Christian or Muslim/Jews......who gives a shit about desert people they are foreign to white people. However the biggest mistake the Bosnians made was allowing them into Bosnia for that war. However, the Bosnians kicked them out during the war because they were spreading absurd views that Europeans disagree with. I read about the war. Yes they did let foreign fighters help them but so did the Orthodox Christians and Catholic Croatians. That war as a whole was a cluster fuck of idiots but it was a civil war to me.

[Dzihadovic]

Who told you that? :D

Number of Christians in their army was marginal compared to the number of mujahedins. Without islam, even just ''cultural islam'', Bosniaks are nothing because their secular national identity is not yet developed. Without islam, Hrulj would be a fierce Chetnik or Ustasa. Their founding father was a Pan-islamist who had dreams of an islamic state from Marocco to Indonesia. True, he wasn't an extremist of Taliban proportions but he wasn't moderate either.

Something about this war that you should understand is that all armies had people of all religions in its ranks. Serbian army had pred. muslim unit called ''Odred Mesa Selimovic'' and many muslim individuals who fought in various units. The entire Autonomous Province of Western Bosnia turned their back to government in Sarajevo and fought with Serbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Province_of_Western_Bosnia

So, as a matter of fact, number of muslims who fought with us is much higher than number of Serbs who fought with the muslims. Just sayin'.

No it wasn't, unless were going by numbers given by Serb propaganda in which case the entire Bosnian Army was made up of mujahedin. :laugh:
381 Serbs, 436 Croats and 69 others died fighting in the Bosnian Army, if you do some comparing, dividing, and multiplying with the total casualties within the Bosnian Army and the total number of soldiers within the Bosnian Army you get a rough number of about ~5000 non Bosniaks that served in the ARBiH that's significantly more than the number of foreign fighters that "served" in the ARBiH of about ~1500.
What are you without Orthodoxy? Whats a Croat without Catholicism? There's a reason that Catholic Serbs are next to non existant, same goes for Orthodox Croats.

You don't know what a founding father is.

And so what if muslim majority countries from Morocco to Indonesia wanted to unite, why do you care? That "dream" didn't include Bosnia.

You're boasting about having traitors and the cultists from Western Bosnia in your ranks.

[RandoBloom]

Who told you that? :D

Number of Christians in their army was marginal compared to the number of mujahedins. Without islam, even just ''cultural islam'', Bosniaks are nothing because their secular national identity is not yet developed. Without islam, Hrulj would be a fierce Chetnik or Ustasa. Their founding father was a Pan-islamist who had dreams of an islamic state from Marocco to Indonesia. True, he wasn't an extremist of Taliban proportions but he wasn't moderate either.

Something about this war that you should understand is that all armies had people of all religions in its ranks. Serbian army had pred. muslim unit called ''Odred Mesa Selimovic'' and many muslim individuals who fought in various units. The entire Autonomous Province of Western Bosnia turned their back to government in Sarajevo and fought with Serbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Province_of_Western_Bosnia

So, as a matter of fact, number of muslims who fought with us is much higher than number of Serbs who fought with the muslims. Just sayin'.

Christians were in the top tier roles, with 3 generals being Christians.
Secondly, number of Mujahideen at any one time didnt exceed 300 men. Total was around 1000 or so.
On the other hand christians constituted 10% of Bosnian army :)

As for what Bosniak is without Islam, it is simple, he or she is a Bosniak. You as a Serb cant realize that religion doesnt determine a nation. Talk to Ivana Mostarac and ask her, what is she as a Bosniak without Islam :laugh:

[Minesweeper]

No it wasn't, unless were going by numbers given by Serb propaganda in which case the entire Bosnian Army was made up of mujahedin. :laugh:
381 Serbs, 436 Croats and 69 others died fighting in the Bosnian Army, if you do some comparing, dividing, and multiplying with the total casualties within the Bosnian Army and the total number of soldiers within the Bosnian Army you get a rough number of about ~5000 non Bosniaks that served in the ARBiH that's significantly more than the number of foreign fighters that "served" in the ARBiH of about ~1500.
What are you without Orthodoxy? Whats a Croat without Catholicism? There's a reason that Catholic Serbs are next to non existant, same goes for Orthodox Croats.

You don't know what a founding father is.

And so what if muslim majority countries from Morocco to Indonesia wanted to unite, why do you care? That "dream" didn't include Bosnia.

You're boasting about having traitors and the cultists from Western Bosnia in your ranks.

And your data comes from where? Not that I don't belive you.

Alija, your founding father, belived that such islamic state should exist. Can you describe the position of Bosnia in such hypotectical world and its relations to that islamic superstate? I'd really like to know.

You know, I don't care what you think of Fikret Abdic and his soldiers. He defected to us and that is a unique case in that war. Tell me, since ARBiH was multinational and fought for such Bosnia, why haven't parts of Republika Srpska and its army defected to you? That is where you conception fails.

[Minesweeper]

Christians were in the top tier roles, with 3 generals being Christians.
Secondly, number of Mujahideen at any one time didnt exceed 300 men. Total was around 1000 or so.
On the other hand christians constituted 10% of Bosnian army :)

As for what Bosniak is without Islam, it is simple, he or she is a Bosniak. You as a Serb cant realize that religion doesnt determine a nation. Talk to Ivana Mostarac and ask her, what is she as a Bosniak without Islam :laugh:

Religion does determine the nation, not always but it does in some cases and Bosniaks are a textbook example. Existence of certai individuals of other religions who idetify as Bosniaks is irelevant and it is just an exception that confirms the rule. You know it and you are happy about it. Let's not fool ourselfes, even if all Serbs in Bosnia decided to become Bosniaks, would you accept them as your equal brothers while at the same time you insult them that they are Turks, Vlachs and what not? If you answer is positive, you're a hypocrite.

[RandoBloom]

And your data comes from where? Not that I don't belive you.

Alija, your founding father, belived that such islamic state should exist. Can you describe the position of Bosnia in such hypotectical world and its relations to that islamic superstate? I'd really like to know.

You know, I don't care what you think of Fikret Abdic and his soldiers. He defected to us and that is a unique case in that war. Tell me, since ARBiH was multinational and fought for such Bosnia, why haven't parts of Republika Srpska and its army defected to you? That is where you conception fails.

HOS defected to ARBiH :)
And why would traitors join the weaker side?


Religion does determine the nation, not always but it does in some cases and Bosniaks are a textbook example. Existence of certai individuals of other religions who idetify as Bosniaks is irelevant and it is just an exception that confirms the rule. You know it and you are happy about it. Let's not fool ourselfes, even if all Serbs in Bosnia decided to become Bosniaks, would you accept them as your equal brothers while at the same time you insult them that they are Turks, Vlachs and what not? If you answer is positive, you're a hypocrite.

That is your opinion that you are stuck in.
Its not irrelevant. A religious based nationality cant accept others not of those religion.
Name me a christian who identified as a Muslim in the Yugoslavia when Bosniak nation was banned?
I, nor any Bosniak would accept Serbs as Bosniaks nor greet them or welcome them. They are Serbs. You cant switch your nation.
Only Serbs accept such people

[Methmatician]

And why would traitors join the weaker side?
Alija had an agreement with Fikret that he would handover the Presidency to him after a year. Alija never did. How did Fikret become the traitor? He's not a model citizen but I don't disagree with his decision to oppose Alija and his government.

[Minesweeper]

[FONT=Century Gothic]HOS defected to ARBiH :)
And why would traitors join the weaker side?

Not all HOS did. Croats mostly went to HVO, Bosniaks to ARBiH.



That is your opinion that you are stuck in.
Its not irrelevant. A religious based nationality cant accept others not of those religion.
Name me a christian who identified as a Muslim in the Yugoslavia when Bosniak nation was banned?
I, nor any Bosniak would accept Serbs as Bosniaks nor greet them or welcome them. They are Serbs. You cant switch your nation.
Only Serbs accept such people

Only if such nation is ruled by theocratic leader. Similar to Montenegro in first half of 19. century. Otherwise, it's a nonsense.

[RandoBloom]

Not all HOS did. Croats mostly went to HVO, Bosniaks to ARBiH.

Only if such nation is ruled by theocratic leader. Similar to Montenegro in first half of 19. century. Otherwise, it's a nonsense.

All of HOS did, which is why Croats killed their leaders.
An identity is either religious, or it isnt. You cant mix and chose.
You are trying to impose your view of nationality onto other people which is extremely funny but at the same time pathetic.
You can believe whatever you want

[LightHouse89]

Christians were in the top tier roles, with 3 generals being Christians.
Secondly, number of Mujahideen at any one time didnt exceed 300 men. Total was around 1000 or so.
On the other hand christians constituted 10% of Bosnian army :)

As for what Bosniak is without Islam, it is simple, he or she is a Bosniak. You as a Serb cant realize that religion doesnt determine a nation. Talk to Ivana Mostarac and ask her, what is she as a Bosniak without Islam :laugh:

we have a Bosniak politician here she I think is agnostic and she is pretty. She is from out west here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anesa_Kajtazovic

[Minesweeper]

All of HOS did, which is why Croats killed their leaders.
An identity is either religious, or it isnt. You cant mix and chose.
You are trying to impose your view of nationality onto other people which is extremely funny but at the same time pathetic.
You can believe whatever you want

They never defected, they were your allies from beggining because their leader was for Bosnian-Croatian alliance. That's why he was killed.

My view of nationality? I haven't offered one in this thread. :D

[RandoBloom]

They never defected, they were your allies from beggining because their leader was for Bosnian-Croatian alliance. That's why he was killed.

My view of nationality? I haven't offered one in this thread. :D


HOS Hercegovine pomogao je u oslobađanju Mostara i Stolca skupa s jedinicama HVO-a, zatim počinje zauzimati položaje oko Trebinja, najvećeg četničkog uporišta u istočnoj Hercegovini. 6. augusta jedinice HOS-a zauzele su dijelove općine Trebinje. Nakon što je čuo za sastanak Mate Bobana i Radovana Karadžića u Grazu, i njihov dogovor o primirju HVO-a i VRS-a te teritorijalnom razgraničenju HZ Herceg-Bosne i Republike Srpske, Kraljević je izdao javni proglas u kojem je pozvao Hrvate i Bošnjake, tada Muslimane, da ne prihvate izdaju Bosne i Hercegovine. Kraljević je uskoro imenovan general bojnikom Armije BiH a 2. augusta je postao član Glavnog štaba Armije BiH.

You offered all of it. You cant accept differentiation between religion and nationality

http://i.imgur.com/eJ04ZWP.jpg

[Minesweeper]

You offered all of it. You cant accept differentiation between religion and nationality

This post tells more about you actually. Keep it up.

[Dzihadovic]

Alija had an agreement with Fikret that he would handover the Presidency to him after a year. Alija never did. How did Fikret become the traitor? He's not a model citizen but I don't disagree with his decision to oppose Alija and his government.

I mean honestly, who gives a shit! He is a traitor because he turned on his country in one of the most difficult times in it's history for political gain. After seeing what he did in response to that, thank god Alija didn't hand over the presidency to him. I'd hate to imagine where Bosnia would be, if it continued to exist at all, if he was given control. A reasonable person would have put aside any petty political squabbles until after the war. Instead he decided to carve out his own mini-state and become a puppet to the aggressors. It's painfully obvious to anyone outside of Velika Kladusa how he's a traitor, I'm sure even to most Serbs although they'll never admit it. Whatever disagreement he had with Alija was between them, the soldiers he was attacking weren't fighting for Alija they were fighting for Bosnia.

[Dzihadovic]

And your data comes from where? Not that I don't belive you.

Alija, your founding father, belived that such islamic state should exist. Can you describe the position of Bosnia in such hypotectical world and its relations to that islamic superstate? I'd really like to know.


The casualty figures come from the RDC. The ~1500 figure comes from multiple sources including the ICTY.

Also, these are figures that keep getting posted around on forums, without a source, but they correspond to the research data of the RDC. Mind you this is only one Corps.

1. korpus po nacionalnoj strukturi:

1992:
Bosnjaka: 55 473
Srba: 1566
Hrvata: 2330
Ostali: 1073

1993:
Bosnjaka: 75 894
Srba: 1004
Hrvata: 3474
Ostali: 272

1994:
Bosnjaka 80 333
Srba: 636
Hrvata: 3721
Ostali: 223

1995:
Bosnjaka: 82 250
Srba: 530
Hrvata: 4084
Ostali: 145

1992-1995 (prosjek):
Bosnjaka: 73 488
Srba: 934
Hrvata: 3402
Ostali: 429


1. korpus u okruzenom Sarajevu po nacionalnoj strukturi:

1992
Bosnjaci: 24 810 (92%)
Srbi: 700 (2,6%)
Hrvati: 1010 (3,5%)
Ostali: 460 (1,7%)

1993
Bosnjaci: 33 840 (94%)
Srbi: 450 (1,3%)
Hrvati: 1550 (4,3%)
Ostali: 160 (0,4%)

1994
Bosnjaci: 35 857 (94,6%)
Srbi: 270 (0,7%)
Hrvati: 1660 (4,4%)
Ostali: 117 (0,35%)

1995
Bosnjaci: 36 704 (94,5%)
Srbi: 244 (0,6%)
Hrvati: 1822 (4,7)
Ostali: 205 (0,6%)


Broj poginulih boraca 1. korpusa po nacionalnoj strukturi:

1992
Bosnjaka: 2865
Srba: 104
Hrvata: 121
Ostali: 7
Ukupno: 3097

1993
Bosnjaka: 1841
Srba: 77
Hrvata: 87
Ostali: 6
Ukupno: 2011

1994
Bosnjaka: 741
Srba: 21
Hrvata: 17
Ostali: 4
Ukupno: 783

1995
Bosnjaka: 657
Srba: 21
Hrvata: 15
Ostali: 1
Ukupno: 694

1992-1995
Bosnjaka: 6104
Srba: 223
Hrvata: 240
Ostali: 18
Ukupno: 6585

Another thing, women played a bigger role in defending Bosnia than foreign fighters. By 1995 it's estimated that there were 5,360 women serving in the ARBiH.



Alija, your founding father, belived that such islamic state should exist. Can you describe the position of Bosnia in such hypotectical world and its relations to that islamic superstate? I'd really like to know.


Like I said who cares. He didn't apply such a dream to Bosnia. If all those countries could somehow put aside all their differences and unite, hint: not likely, then they can have their super state.



You know, I don't care what you think of Fikret Abdic and his soldiers. He defected to us and that is a unique case in that war. Tell me, since ARBiH was multinational and fought for such Bosnia, why haven't parts of Republika Srpska and its army defected to you? That is where you conception fails.

They were a cult, comn they even had a name that all his followers/subjects called him. Babo.
So if part of the VRS didn't defect to our side that means what exactly? I'm not clear on what you're trying to say.
And like Hrulj said there was HOS which likely would have continued to fight had the HVO criminals not killed their leader.