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SlavicRose
06-21-2013, 12:06 AM
Be honest.

Smaug
06-21-2013, 12:08 AM
Yes. So what?

Roy
06-21-2013, 12:09 AM
How different it should be in your oppinion, what do you want to get over?

Oneeye
06-21-2013, 12:11 AM
That's why I like it.

DarkSecret
06-21-2013, 12:12 AM
No it is global. Master Tolkien might have been affected from the real wars of course.

Atlantic Islander
06-21-2013, 12:18 AM
Never seen it or read the books. :bored:

Roy
06-21-2013, 12:19 AM
No it is global. Master Tolkien might have been affected from the real wars of course.

No, actually it is truly Euro-centric in the idea.


Never seen it or read the books.

wow. :confused:

SlavicRose
06-21-2013, 12:20 AM
That's why I like it.

Ikr

Atlantic Islander
06-21-2013, 12:24 AM
wow. :confused:

Struck me as a bit boring.

I'd rather read The Mists of Avalon again.

Roy
06-21-2013, 12:26 AM
Struck me as a bit boring. I'd rather read the Mists of Avalon over again.

I am actually hard fan of LOTR and whole Tolkien's universum.

Atlantic Islander
06-21-2013, 12:27 AM
I am actually hard fan of LOTR and whole Tolkien's universum.

Different strokes for different folks. :P

My fandoms are way different. ;)

Roy
06-21-2013, 12:34 AM
Different strokes for different folks. :P

My fandoms are way different. ;)

It always annoy me when someone says: I don't like Tolkien .. blah bla blah :p
But I learned to understand it that everyone is a bit different and you shouldn't force anything on anyone.

Jägerstaffel
06-21-2013, 12:39 AM
Very Eurocentric.

I can't remember where I read it but I read that Tolkien wanted to create an English story in the same sort of national epic style of the Kalevala, so it would make sense for it to be Eurocentric - or more specifically Anglocentric.

riverman
06-21-2013, 12:40 AM
It always annoy me when someone says: I don't like Tolkien .. blah bla blah :p
But I learned to understand it that everyone is a bit different and you shouldn't force anything on anyone.


I'm not a fan of Tolkien.

Atlantic Islander
06-21-2013, 12:46 AM
It always annoy me when someone says: I don't like Tolkien .. blah bla blah :p
But I learned to understand it that everyone is a bit different and you shouldn't force anything on anyone.

Yes, I love all things Whedonverse, but I can't force others to like it.

Permafrost
06-22-2013, 07:50 PM
Rather Anglo and Germanocentric...

Remember how the 'Men of the West' were represented? Now compare them to the Easterlings.

RussiaPrussia
06-22-2013, 07:53 PM
yes elves were inspired by swedes and finns

Graham
06-22-2013, 07:55 PM
Without saying it's based on this nation, & that nation. Seems to happen plenty.

It's all like European folklore.

Austo
06-22-2013, 07:56 PM
He wrote it during war, i am sure this afected his books.

Roy
06-22-2013, 07:57 PM
yes elves were inspired by swedes and finns

Not by Swedes; their languages were based on Finnish/Welsh though.

Grumpy Cat
06-22-2013, 08:59 PM
Isn't it supposed to be? It's inspired by European mythology.

Pontios
06-22-2013, 09:02 PM
It's based on European mythology so it should be Eurocentric... Who else has a mythology like the Europeans do? :lol:

Virtuous
06-22-2013, 09:05 PM
Yes it is.

and being the leftist hypocrite bigot retard I am I think that's waycist. Should of used more niggz or sumthin. As slaves or sumthin.

Smeagol
06-28-2013, 06:19 AM
Very Eurocentic. Great books.

Smeagol
06-28-2013, 06:21 AM
Yes it is.

and being the leftist hypocrite bigot retard I am I think that's waycist. Should of used more niggz or sumthin. As slaves or sumthin.

It did. The men of Far Harad were Sauron's slaves. They were described as coming from the far southern continent, and looking like half trolls.

riverman
06-28-2013, 07:25 AM
No, I don't. Shouldn't there be a poll with this question?

Peikko
06-28-2013, 07:48 AM
Yeah, it's supposed to be. I like Tolkien because it is related to old folklores, that's the whole point.

morski
06-28-2013, 10:26 AM
More like Britocentric.

RussiaPrussia
06-28-2013, 10:34 AM
Not by Swedes; their languages were based on Finnish/Welsh though.

nerd

Artek
06-28-2013, 10:37 AM
It's probably Eurocentric because the Tolkien based on a mythologies of European folks

Atlantic Islander
06-30-2013, 09:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOIi9SjJvgU

Balmung
08-01-2013, 04:28 AM
Game of Thrones is much more global.

You have Westeros to the left which basically looks like a distorted British Isles, likewise most of the royal families in Westeros have British surnames the extreme north seem to be culturally similar to Vikings but they still have British surnames like the rest of Westeros, then you have Essos to the right that looks like a distorted central/west Europe. You can even look at the left which looks similar to Spain/France and the bottom left looks like a broken off Italy and the Balkans to the right of it.

http://i.lv3.hbo.com/custom-assets/enrichments/series/game-of-thrones/r5/images/map/s3/map-full-view.jpg

While geographicaly Essos bare many resemblances to real world Western Europe. The terrain, archictecture, and the people vary a lot more. As everything from orientals, arabs, to black (they look like mullatoes to me though) can be found there.

Dothraki for example
http://www.miscupload.com/upload/730125006477571817253852.png

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120626151726/westeropedia/nl/images/6/6f/Essos.jpg

Don't know about the rest, because in the canon, the whole of the world hasn't been mapped out yet.

http://www.sermountaingoat.co.uk/map/versions/map_natural.jpg

Peikko
08-01-2013, 09:30 AM
...

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120626151726/westeropedia/nl/images/6/6f/Essos.jpg

That maps looks a lot like the map of Eurasia:
http://www.russiamap.org/images/full/political-94.jpg

The city of Braavos at the North-West corner would correspond to Murmansk.

Mary
08-01-2013, 09:38 AM
I think it's nerdcentric.

The Illyrian Warrior
08-01-2013, 10:32 AM
Who cares!!! Its one of the best movies. :cool:

morski
08-01-2013, 12:24 PM
Who cares!!! Its one of the best movies. :cool:

:laugh:

Windischer
08-01-2013, 01:04 PM
Who cares!!! Its one of the best movies. :cool:

:picard2:

obviously tolkiens works are full of references to the west, western lands, free peoples of the west - against corrupt easterlings (swartmen) and haradrim (southrons), with the friendly faction of easterlings wiped out by melkor already in the first age
if anyone feels butthurt about this - return to the pit of morgoth you came from :D

Comte Arnau
12-08-2013, 02:10 AM
It obviously is. As it was expected to be when one knows the background. People seem to forget that the books were written in the 1940's, before the Global PC era.

Liac
12-11-2013, 07:48 PM
wow. :confused:

I never did as well. There's some wow clone MMORPG with terrible graphic named LOTRO.

Dengizik
12-11-2013, 07:51 PM
http://i.imgur.com/QPSZVfw.png

dude
12-11-2013, 07:56 PM
This is like saying that Yoga is Indian centric. Watch the movie and enjoy it, just like white people do yoga.