Adolf Hitlers Subrace/Subtype?

[Nico]

What is it?
There's a thread on it, but it's mostly arguing.

[alfieb]

Norid/Alpinid.

[101DT]

Noric/Alpinoid

http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/H/Adolf-Hitler-9340144-3-402.jpg

[Armand_Duval]

Then that should be subnordic.

I would add: A subnordic with a dinaric strain maybe.

[Germaniac]

Keltic-Nordic+AlpineCM

[alfieb]

Norid already includes the Dinaric influence. :coffee:

[Swearengen]

celtic nordid + alpine.

[Amun]

SubNordid

[Smeagol]

Keltic Nordid/Alpine/Dinaric.

[Mortimer]

sub nordid

[ABest]

Sub-Nordid + Norid.

[Methusalem]

Disharmonious dinarid/atlanto-nordid/alpinoid mongrel. He has taurid, reduced cromagnoid and aurignacoid traits. A true tschandale, a Nazi term derived from Nietzsche which was used to describe very 'mixed individuals' who suffer due to their 'mixed-race' origin from deep psychological contradictions. Quite funny that the majority Nazi élite fit into this category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tschandala

[Smeagol]

Quite funny that the majority Nazi élite fit into this category.

The only blue eyed blond in the Nazi elite (Heydrich) Was a mischling Armenoid.:laugh:

[ChocolateFace]

Dinaric/Subnordid

[Methusalem]

The only blue eyed blond in the Nazi elite (Heydrich) Was a mischling Armenoid.:laugh:

Was he really part Jewish?

[Smeagol]

Was he really part Jewish?

Heinrich Himmler told his doctor, Felix Kersten, that Heydrich was part-Jewish and that Hitler knew this. Hitler said his "non-Aryan origins were extremely useful; for he would be eternally grateful to us that we had kept him and not expelled him and would obey blindly. This was in fact the case." (The Kersten Memoirs, 1957, p 97.)

In other words, Heydrich was doubly ruthless against Jews to prove his loyalty. Heydrich accepted tasks "which no one else would care to do."

Himmler went on: Heydrich "was convinced the Jewish elements in his blood were damnable; he hated the blood which had played him so false. The Fuhrer could really have picked no better man than Heydrich for the campaign against the Jews. For them he was without mercy or pity." (99)

Joachim Fest writes that Abwehr Chief Wilhelm Canaris was able to resist Heydrich by obtaining "documents proving his adversary's Jewish antecedents..." ("The Face of the Third Reich," p. 105)

His father:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr76tjezov1qkvrpzo1_500.jpg

[Gauthier]

Borealized-sub-nordid. :laugh:

[alfieb]

The only blue eyed blond in the Nazi elite (Heydrich) Was a mischling Armenoid.:laugh:

Even in Nazi Germany, they had a saying about the master race: "Blond like Hitler; tall like Goebbels; thin like Goering". :lol:

[Methusalem]

Even in Nazi Germany, they had a saying about the master race: "Blond like Hitler; tall like Goebbels; thin like Goering". :lol:

True. In fact noone of the Nazi Party leaders and officials was an 'Übermensch'. Most of them looked like retards, imbeciles and invalids.

Joseph Goebbels was a woggish looking, fragile, thin, ectomorphic, handicapped(Osteomyelitis) dwarf(1,65 m), Hitler was a woogish, looking, endomorphic-ectomorphic, lunatic dwarf(172 cm), Hermann Göring was an endomorphic fatass(118 kg), Heinrich Himmler a fugly, endomorphic dwarf (174 cm) and Rudolf Heß a mentally-retarded, disharmonious wimp with an unibrow.

[Smeagol]

Heinrich Himmler a fugly, endomorphic dwarf (174 cm)

What? Himmler was an Aryan Ubermensch. An unmixed example of the great Germanic race.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146II-783,_Heinrich_Himmler.jpg

:laugh:

[alfieb]

It doesn't help that the majority of them were ethnic Bavarians (I include Austrians in this category - indeed, Hitler's own family were originally from Bavaria before the borders were redrawn)

[Methusalem]

It doesn't help that the majority of them were ethnic Bavarians (I include Austrians in this category - indeed, Hitler's own family were originally from Bavaria before the borders were redrawn)

Grenzland is a Bavarian too. :laugh:

[Cleitus]

What? Himmler was an Aryan Ubermensch. An unmixed example of the great Germanic race.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146II-783,_Heinrich_Himmler.jpg

:laugh:
He looks Typical German.

[Cleitus]

The Great Führer was Norid Alpinid http://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p445927/barrrrtlos.jpg

[Smeagol]

He looks German.

He is very atypical for Germany. He looks kind of like a Mongol.

[Cleitus]

No he is not Atypical, his look is Common.

[YeshAtid]

apparently he had some jewish blood

[Nico]

What? Himmler was an Aryan Ubermensch. An unmixed example of the great Germanic race.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146II-783,_Heinrich_Himmler.jpg

:laugh:
I always thought he looked slightly asian.

[Cleitus]

apparently he had some jewish blood

:picard2: In your Opinion every Nazi was Jewish shut up Jew !

[YeshAtid]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/25/hitler-jewish-dna-tests-s_n_693568.html

[Smeagol]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/25/hitler-jewish-dna-tests-s_n_693568.html

Hitler wasn't Jewish. He had a haplogroup common in Berbers in Jews, but also 9% of Austrians have it.

[Cleitus]

Haplogroup E1b1b is not Jewish !!! :banghead:

[Smeagol]

Haplogroup E1b1b is not Jewish !!! :banghead:

No, it isn't. Some Nazis were Jews though. Heydrich was a Mischling. So was Field Marshal Erhard Milch.

[Roy]

He was classified here many times before :confused:

[YeshAtid]

No, it isn't. Some Nazis were Jews though. Heydrich was a Mischling. So was Field Marshal Erhard Milch.

imo heydrich looked a bit asian

[Smeagol]

imo heydrich looked a bit asian

I'd classify Heydrich as East Nordid/East Baltid/Armenoid.

[Cleitus]

Why only Jews claim this shit ?

[Smeagol]

...

[Smeagol]

Look at Heydrich's Armenoid nose.
http://www.collectinghistory.net/heydrichstamp/heydrich&frank.jpg

Himmler himself said Heydrich had Jewish blood, and that Hitler knew about it.

[Cleitus]

Hitler wasn't Jewish. He had a haplogroup common in Berbers in Jews, but also 9% of Austrians have it.

among Jews its not so Common, there are also Jews with I2a and I1a this is Irrelevant.

[Smeagol]

among Jews its not so Common, there are also Jews with I2a and I1a this is Irrelevant.

True, Jews often have European haplogroups.

[Cleitus]

Look at Heydrich's Armenoid nose.
http://www.collectinghistory.net/heydrichstamp/heydrich&frank.jpg

Himmler himself said Heydrich had Jewish blood, and that Hitler knew about it.

I saw many Germans with this Nose Shape were they also Jews ? :picard2:

[Cleitus]

True, Jews often have European haplogroups.

No true Jews are Semitic.

[Smeagol]

I saw many Germans with this Nose Shape were they also Jews ? :picard2:

They might have had Jewish ancestry. The nose is clearly Armenoid, and it's not common in Germany. Anyway, Himmler himself said He was a Jew. Just look at pictures of his father Bruno Heydrich, he had typical Jewish features.

[YeshAtid]

No true Jews are Semitic.

true jews?

[Smeagol]

No true Jews are Semitic.

Semitic is a language group.

[Cleitus]

They might have had Jewish ancestry. The nose is clearly Armenoid, and it's not common in Germany. Anyway, Himmler himself said He was a Jew. Just look at pictures of his father Bruno Heydrich, he had typical Jewish features.

:pound:

[alfieb]

True, Jews often have European haplogroups.
Indeed.

Y-DNA haplogroup is irrelevant to Jews. You're only a Jew if your mother is. Whether she cheated on your 'dad' doesn't matter much. Your dad can be a space alien.

[Smeagol]

:pound:

I see you have no response.

[Cleitus]

Semitic is a language group.

Jews cant be European http://www.0095.info/resources/Voelkerwanderung_nach_Westen__Richtung_Europa.JPG

[Cleitus]

I see you have no response.

I see you have not one Realistic Source for your Idiotic thesis.

[Smeagol]

Jews cant be European http://www.0095.info/resources/Voelkerwanderung_nach_Westen__Richtung_Europa.JPG

They cluster closest with South Italians/Sicilians.

[Smeagol]

I see you have not one Realistic Source for your Idiotic these.

Himmler himself isn't a realistic source?

[Cleitus]

Himmler himself isn't a realistic source?

So when does he have said that please ? :picard2: :picard1:

[Smeagol]

So when does he have said that please ? :picard2: :picard1:

Heinrich Himmler told his doctor, Felix Kersten, that Heydrich was part-Jewish and that Hitler knew this. Hitler said his "non-Aryan origins were extremely useful; for he would be eternally grateful to us that we had kept him and not expelled him and would obey blindly. This was in fact the case." (The Kersten Memoirs, 1957, p 97.)

In other words, Heydrich was doubly ruthless against Jews to prove his loyalty. Heydrich accepted tasks "which no one else would care to do."

Himmler went on: Heydrich "was convinced the Jewish elements in his blood were damnable; he hated the blood which had played him so false. The Fuhrer could really have picked no better man than Heydrich for the campaign against the Jews. For them he was without mercy or pity."

[Cleitus]

The Kersten Memoirs written in order of the Allied Forces.

[Smeagol]

The Kersten Memoirs written in order of the Allied Forces.

:rotfl: They weren't. Kersten was a close personal friend of Himmler, and had absolutely no reason to make up the fact that Heydrich was a Jew. I'll take his word over yours. Heydrich was also called the blond moses when he was in the navy, and Canaris also said he was a Jew.

[Cleitus]

Everyone could write this Idiot.

[Smeagol]

Everyone could write this Idiot.

:picard1: Numerous sources have proved Heydrich's Jewish ancestry. Since you seem to think they're allied propaganda, than prove he wasn't Jewish. Were Canaris, Kersten, and Himmler all liars?

[Cleitus]

Which Sources ? :picard2:

[Smeagol]

Which Sources ? :picard2:

Kersten
Himmler
Admiral Canaris
The people who were in the Navy with Heydrich.

[Smeagol]

''Wilhelm Canaris was able to resist Heydrich by obtaining "documents proving his adversary's Jewish antecedents..." ("The Face of the Third Reich," p. 105)

''Half-Jew Alice Schaper nee Rohr, who took piano lessons from Bruno (Heydrich's father), claimed, "We all knew he was Jewish. ...He looked just like a typical Jew."

Brian Rigg, author of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers writes: "When Heydrich was a child in Halle, neighborhood children made fun of him, calling him "Isi" (Izzy), short for Isidor, a name with a Jewish connotation.''

[Cleitus]

Heydrich was born in Halle an der Saale to composer Richard Bruno Heydrich and his wife Elisabeth Anna Maria Amalia Kranz; Heydrich held a life-long passion for the violin. His two forenames were patriotic musical references: "Reinhard" from an opera of his father's, in a portion called "Reinhard's Crime". His first middle name, 'Tristan' stems from Richard Wagner's opera Tristan und Isolde. His third name probably derives from military hero Prince Eugene of Savoy, Eugen in German (the German cruiser Prinz Eugen was also named for Eugene of Savoy as was the 7th Division of the Waffen-SS).
He was too young to have fought in World War I but joined the para-military Freikorps after the war.

[Smeagol]

Heydrich was born in Halle an der Saale to composer Richard Bruno Heydrich and his wife Elisabeth Anna Maria Amalia Kranz; Heydrich held a life-long passion for the violin. His two forenames were patriotic musical references: "Reinhard" from an opera of his father's, in a portion called "Reinhard's Crime". His first middle name, 'Tristan' stems from Richard Wagner's opera Tristan und Isolde. His third name probably derives from military hero Prince Eugene of Savoy, Eugen in German (the German cruiser Prinz Eugen was also named for Eugene of Savoy as was the 7th Division of the Waffen-SS).
He was too young to have fought in World War I but joined the para-military Freikorps after the war.

So what is that supposed to prove?

[Cleitus]

http://en.metapedia.org/m/images/c/c1/Reinhard_Heydrich.pngIn 1932 a number of Heydrich's enemies began to spread rumours of his alleged Jewish ancestry. Within the National Socialist organisation such innuendo could be dangerous, even for the head of the Reich's counterintelligence service. National Socialist Party racial expert Dr. Achim Gercke investigated Heydrich's genealogy. Gercke reported that Heydrich was "... of German origin and free from any coloured and Jewish blood".

[Smeagol]

In 1932 a number of Heydrich's enemies began to spread rumours of his alleged Jewish ancestry. Within the National Socialist organisation such innuendo could be dangerous, even for the head of the Reich's counterintelligence service. National Socialist Party racial expert Dr. Achim Gercke investigated Heydrich's genealogy. Gercke reported that Heydrich was "... of German origin and free from any coloured and Jewish blood".

Of course. Hitler though he was needed for the movement, so he had Heydrich declared ''Aryan''. The same thing happened with half Jewish Field Marshal, Erhard Milch.

''I decide who is a Jew, and who is a German''.-Hermann Goering.

[Methusalem]

They might have had Jewish ancestry. The nose is clearly Armenoid, and it's not common in Germany. Anyway, Himmler himself said He was a Jew. Just look at pictures of his father Bruno Heydrich, he had typical Jewish features.

Heydrich's nose is taurid(rather dinarid than armenoid).

[Methusalem]

http://en.metapedia.org/m/images/c/c1/Reinhard_Heydrich.png

Resembles a bit with this armenoid example:

http://www.randevu-zip.narod.ru/caucase/armenia/sub_armenoid.jpg

[Cleitus]

Yes i think he is Nordid+Norid. 35076

[Smeagol]

Yes i think he is Nordid+Norid. 35076

Heydrich? He was Nordid/East Baltid/Armenoid.

[Cleitus]

No i doesnt think so maybe Nordid + Norid + CM Nothing Baltid about him.

[Smeagol]

No i doesnt think so maybe Nordid + Norid + CM Nothing Baltid about him.

He looks like he has East Baltid influence in some pictures.

[Methusalem]

Heydrich looks Norid with baltid influence.

There are plenty Bavarians with pseudo-armenoid features:

Edmund Stoiber (Norid)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Edmund_Stoiber_2013.jpg/220px-Edmund_Stoiber_2013.jpg


Guenther Oettinger (Dinarid)

http://jumanjisolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Gunther-Oettinger.jpg

[Cleitus]

Heydrich looks Norid with baltid influence.

There are plenty Bavarians with pseudo-armenoid features:

Edmund Stoiber (Norid)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Edmund_Stoiber_2013.jpg/220px-Edmund_Stoiber_2013.jpg


Guenther Oettinger (Dinarid)

http://jumanjisolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Gunther-Oettinger.jpg
They look like Albanians(Ghegs).

[Smeagol]

Heydrich looks Norid with baltid influence.

There are plenty Bavarians with pseudo-armenoid features:

Edmund Stoiber (Norid)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Edmund_Stoiber_2013.jpg/220px-Edmund_Stoiber_2013.jpg


Guenther Oettinger (Dinarid)

http://jumanjisolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Gunther-Oettinger.jpg

How would you classify Heydrich's father?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr76tjezov1qkvrpzo1_500.jpg

http://s010.radikal.ru/i312/1109/a6/f896eb6e089b.jpg

[Roy]

Hitler was Norid/SubNordid, nothing Baltid in him or specifically Jewish in his phenotype.

[Methusalem]

How would you classify Heydrich's father?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr76tjezov1qkvrpzo1_500.jpg

http://s010.radikal.ru/i312/1109/a6/f896eb6e089b.jpg

Looks Dinarid with a pseudo-armenoid vibe. Typical for Austrians and Bavarians.

[Cleitus]

Hitler was Norid/SubNordid, nothing Baltid in him or specifically Jewish in his phenotype.

We are Talking about Heydrich.

[Smeagol]

Looks Dinarid with a pseudo-armenoid vibe. Typical for Austrians and Bavarians.

The Heydrichs were from Saxony though.

[Cleitus]

How would you classify Heydrich's father?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr76tjezov1qkvrpzo1_500.jpg

http://s010.radikal.ru/i312/1109/a6/f896eb6e089b.jpg
Dinarid

[Szegedist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8txk6EhYZKA

[Smeagol]

Norid + Faelidized Alpignid.

[MelinusMargos]

Galatian Type (KN + alpinid)