what is the most closest European group to Germanic group?

[SKYNET]

Romance peoples or Slavic peoples?

[Roy]

It depends what you mean by their closeness. In terms of culture: likely Romance, when it comes to genetics: even, maybe Slavs a bit closer if you count South Italians and Iberians.

[Vesuvian Sky]

I'd go with Celtic for Tr00 closest.

Based on the options given I'd say both groups have equal amounts of differences and whatever similarities can be found to choose one over the other based on language, culture and genes.

[Peikko]

I'm assuming this thread is about linguistics, since Germanic people don't cluster genetically? Polish people are genetically closer to Swedes than Austrians.

[Peyrol]

''Slavic'', ''Germanic'' and ''Romance'' as words are paninclusive categories with people with many different ethno-linguistic-cultural backgrounds, so it's a very difficult answer.
It depends which slavic and wich romanic people...for the slavic, i would say Czech and some Poles without any doubt...for the romance, walloons, oil (norther) french and probabily the forlans (a northeastern italic population).

[WOOHP]

It's hard but as a whole Slavic Europe, however I think that France is the country with the most Germanic input.

[Peikko]

It's hard but as a whole Slavic Europe, however I think that France is the country with the most Germanic input.
In your dreams.

[WOOHP]

In your dreams.

:cool:
If not France then what? Poland? Czech?

[Vesuvian Sky]

Language:
Slavic = Satem IE language
Germanic = Kentum IE language
Italic=Kentum IE language

Genetics
There's probably more autosomal genetic overlap with western most Slavs and eastern most Germans then say Slavic autosomal overlap on NE Italians and Germanic on Italians in general.

French probably have the most Germanic autosomal influence compared to any other Romance speaking group.

Culture
Again, probably significanat East German west Slavic cultural overlap but relatively negligible IMO for Italy in general. French seem to have distanced themselves from Germanic cultural similarities over the years.

I usually view all three of these meta-groups as pretty distinctive/unique despite whatever shared stratas they may share or have shared. Then again we're comparing meta-groups to meta-groups here which is already too much of an over generalization.

[RussiaPrussia]

obviously slavs are closer both genetics and culture is more closer especially in germany. Actually slavs are probably east germanic.

[Gaijin]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8090/8567966639_8259f11cc8_o.gif

[RussiaPrussia]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8090/8567966639_8259f11cc8_o.gif

map is BS made by some nazi how can have ukraine so much more than russia and belarus?

[RussiaPrussia]

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s666/malaria2000/wvs-culture-mapffer_zpse242b0fe.jpg

[Loki]

Illyrians.

[Peikko]

:cool:
If not France then what? Poland? Czech?
You can start with Belgium.


obviously slavs are closer both genetics and culture is more closer especially in germany. Actually slavs are probably east germanic.
So which is it, East Asia or Germanic? Try to decide.


http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s666/malaria2000/wvs-culture-mapffer_zpse242b0fe.jpg
Congratulations for not making a point.

[WOOHP]

Belgium is romance? The majority speak Dutch.

[Sisak]

I voted for the Slavs. In Croatia, the successful is the German television channel RTL. Italy has opened its own television channel in Germany, which was not successful, the Italian channel has proven successful in Spain.

[Mans not hot]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8090/8567966639_8259f11cc8_o.gif
Im surprised that Serbia have more ''Germanic'' blood than Poland. I don't think this map is accurate at all.

[Gaijin]

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[RussiaPrussia]

You can start with Belgium.


So which is it, East Asia or Germanic? Try to decide.


Congratulations for not making a point.

czech republic and slovenia are closest to german culture my map shows. Germany itself is an outsider of europe closer to japan than to the netherlands.

[Peikko]

Belgium is romance? The majority speak Dutch.
Walloons are more Germanic than France. Happy now?

[Smaug]

Linguistically: Romance
Genetically: Slavs
Cultural: Both on the Romance-Germanic and Slavic-Germanic borders, and none anywhere else.

[Vesuvian Sky]

czech republic and slovenia are closest to german culture my map shows. Germany itself is an outsider of europe closer to japan than to the netherlands.

:D

Oh RussiaPrussia.:laugh:

BTW you really need to go back to being RussiaPrussia. Seriously, your user name had so much more pinash when it was that.

[Arend]

czech republic and slovenia are closest to german culture my map shows. Germany itself is an outsider of europe closer to japan than to the netherlands.http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1350/40/1350409310031.png

[Prince Carlo]

Slavic people excluding North Russians aka Slavified Finns.

[SKYNET]

Russia, who are you anyway?

[Vesuvian Sky]

Russia, who are you anyway?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?83802-The-Japanese-according-to-the-European-reports-from-1543-1640&p=1708850&viewfull=1#post1708850

[SKYNET]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?83802-The-Japanese-according-to-the-European-reports-from-1543-1640&p=1708850&viewfull=1#post1708850



OMG :picard1:

another

http://www.willgoto.com/images/Size3/Mongolia_Mongol_in_Gobi_desert_de61a1fcf6164e9ca2f 4cc8342879f81.jpg

[RussiaPrussia]

http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1350/40/1350409310031.png

its about values and therefor culture. Both japan and germany had a pre war history being guilty for war crimes and being occupied. You will notice many similarities the constitutions have which were made by americans. Both have many similarities therefor for their values, you jack@ss.

[RussiaPrussia]

OMG :picard1:

another

http://www.willgoto.com/images/Size3/Mongolia_Mongol_in_Gobi_desert_de61a1fcf6164e9ca2f 4cc8342879f81.jpg

more like

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/nenet041112/n06_nets5793.jpg

[riverman]

Slavs. It's not even close.

[riverman]

...........

[justme]

i would say Celtic and Illyrians before the slavic expansion..

[ChocolateFace]

Paleo Balkanites

which would translate to Albanians and Romanians.

So I voted Romance because there was only 2 options.

[Lemon Kush]

I think Slavs and Germanics used to be similar people but as they migrated they got influences from different groups, drifting them apart.

[justme]

I think Slavs and Germanics used to be similar people but as they migrated they got influences from different groups, drifting them apart.

your dreaming right?... there is more evidence to say they are closer to Celtic and Illyrian than to Slavs... Poland was originally Germanic later settled by Slavs.

[SKYNET]

I think slavs are most closer to iranian peoples

[Roy]

I think slavs are most closer to iranian peoples

No. But they took part in their genesis though.

[Mans not hot]

your dreaming right?... there is more evidence to say they are closer to Celtic and Illyrian than to Slavs... Poland was originally Germanic later settled by Slavs.
No, you're the one who's dreaming here.

[Loki]

Paleo Balkanites


Agreed. Haplogroup I brotherhood!



which would translate to Albanians and Romanians.



I'd say Bosnians, Albanians, some Serbs; Croats.

[CrystalMaiden]

Why the Jews aren't a choice?

[Loki]

Why the Jews aren't a choice?

I'll rephrase then: Bosnians, Croats, Serbs, Albanians and Jews.

[SKYNET]

Why the Jews aren't a choice?


because jews are semitic people

[Loki]

because jews are semitic people

Not the Ashkenazim. They speak a Germanic language, and originated in Europe.

[quaquaraqua]

IMO Slavic's people. I am talking about phenotype not about culture etc.

[riverman]

IMO Slavic's people. I am talking about phenotype not about culture etc.

Culturally speaking it's Slavs also, nothing in common with Romance people, it's a ridiculous idea.

[quaquaraqua]

Culturally speaking it's Slavs also, nothing in common with Romance people, it's a ridiculous idea.

Yeah that's true, I didn't say that romance share with germanic culture (Thanks god) , but I am just saying that the topic about culture share would be more difficult and deeper.(I mean that is harder to generalize)

[Damião de Góis]

when it comes to genetics: even, maybe Slavs a bit closer if you count South Italians and Iberians.

Iberians and south italians are distant from each other genetically. Either way, north slavs are very close to germanics genetically, much closer than any romance group.

[WOOHP]

Iberians and south italians are distant from each other genetically. Either way, north slavs are very close to germanics genetically, much closer than any romance group.

Not true at all:
http://imageshack.us/a/img404/5940/9jo.png
See how Southeastern French(Lyon) is about equally close to Germans as the Czech or Poles? Oìl France would most definitley cluster closer to Dutch/Germans/English than any Slavic group.

[Loki]

See how Southeastern French(Lyon) is about equally close to Germans as the Czech or Poles?

The heart of the Burgundians (Germanic tribe) :)

[Prince Carlo]

Not true at all:
http://imageshack.us/a/img404/5940/9jo.png
See how Southeastern French(Lyon) is about equally close to Germans as the Czech or Poles? Oìl France would most definitley cluster closer to Dutch/Germans/English than any Slavic group.

CHI are Italian Swiss BTW.

[WOOHP]

CHI are Italian Swiss BTW.
It's CHf, and they are French Swiss.

[WOOHP]

oops

[Chieftain]

Celts, without a doubt.

Why did you even put Slavs here?

[Pegasus]

This poll is a joke. Most close are celts, than balts, then Romance.

[SKYNET]

This poll is a joke. Most close are celts, than balts, then Romance.



random options.

[wvwvw]

Language:
Slavic = Satem IE language
Germanic = Kentum IE language
Italic=Kentum IE language

Greek too is included in the Kentum languages unlike Armenian or Albanian. People falsely assume that because Greek, Albanian and Armenian form independent IE branches must necessarily be very similar languages. In reality the Greek languages does not share more similarities with Armenian or Albanian than say, German or Italian.

The kentum languages include:
the Germanic languages, the Italic/Romance languages, the Celtic
languages, Greek, Hittite, and Tocharian.

The satem languages include:
The Indian and Iranian languages, the Slavonic languages, the Baltic
languages, Albanian, and Armenian.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Greek too is included in the Kentum languages unlike Armenian or Albanian. People falsely assume that because Greek, Albanian and Armenian form independent IE branches must necessarily be very similar languages. In reality the Greek languages does not share more similarities with Armenian or Albanian than say, German or Italian.

The kentum languages include:
the Germanic languages, the Italic/Romance languages, the Celtic
languages, Greek, Hittite, and Tocharian.

The satem languages include:
The Indian and Iranian languages, the Slavonic languages, the Baltic
languages, Albanian, and Armenian.

I know. I was just comparing these since they were more relevant to the discussion at hand.

[justme]

Wrong Albanians is neither Satem or Kentum

[arcticwolf]

Slavic people excluding North Russians aka Slavified Finns.

That's NOT correcto mundo! :thumb001:

What are you people thinking? Slavs are R1a, Germanics and Celts are both R1b. Isn't obvious obvious enogh? LOL

[Baluarte]

Romance peoples or Slavic peoples?

You better stop trolling or I'll tell everyone your real ethnicity.

[justme]

Not true at all:
http://imageshack.us/a/img404/5940/9jo.png
See how Southeastern French(Lyon) is about equally close to Germans as the Czech or Poles? Oìl France would most definitley cluster closer to Dutch/Germans/English than any Slavic group.

Your map is wrong.. According to IGENEA kosovo has no database or studies done in that country to which haplogroup they belong to.

[archangel]

Slavs.i mean germanics and Slavs looks almost same they both have this Baltoid look in them both have hot wimmiz with relatively ugly males etc...

[WOOHP]

Im surprised that Serbia have more ''Germanic'' blood than Poland. I don't think this map is accurate at all.

Green or orange color: 1 or 2 participants in the sample.

[Neuron]

Say what.

[Minel]

I'd say neither of those groups is the closest of all European groups.

[Dál Riata]

Somebody's forgot us Celts again.....

[Bogdan]

Out of those two: Slavic
Overall most similar: Celtic

[itilvolga]

Slavs