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Beorn
09-26-2009, 01:33 AM
Spanking can get kids to behave in a hurry, but new research suggests it can do more harm than good to their noggins. The study, involving hundreds of U.S. children, showed the more a child was spanked the lower his or her IQ compared with others.
"All parents want smart children," said study researcher Murray Straus of the University of New Hampshire. "This research shows that avoiding spanking and correcting misbehavior (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/childrenwhogetspankedhaveloweriqs/33507702/SIG=124bs58a9/*http://www.livescience.com/health/070108_children_discipiline.html) in other ways can help that happen."

One might ask, however, whether children who are spanked (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/childrenwhogetspankedhaveloweriqs/33507702/SIG=11uvmd53d/*http://www.livescience.com/health/070124_spanking_study.html) tend to come from backgrounds in which education opportunities are less or inherited intelligence lower.
But while the results only show an association between spanking and intelligence, Straus says his methodology and the fact that he took into account other factors that could be at play (such as parents' socioeconomic status) make a good case for a causal link.
"You can't say it proves it, but I think it rules out so many other alternatives; I am convinced that spanking does cause a slowdown in a child's development of mental abilities," Straus told LiveScience.

Intelligence quotients

Straus and his colleague Mallie Paschall of the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation in Maryland studied nationally representative samples of two age groups: 806 children ages 2 to 4, and 704 ages 5 to 9. The researchers tested the kids' IQs (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/childrenwhogetspankedhaveloweriqs/33507702/SIG=11t2jg3jo/*http://www.livescience.com/health/090311-older-fathers.html) initially and then four years later.

Both groups of kids got smarter after four years. But the 2- to 4-year-olds who were spanked scored 5 points lower on the IQ test than those not spanked. For children ages 5 to 9, the spanked ones scored on average 2.8 points lower than their unspanked counterparts.
The results, he said, were statistically significant. And they held even after accounting for parental education, income, cognitive stimulation by parents and other factors that could affect children's mental abilities.

Straus will present the study results, along with research on the relationship between average national IQ and prevalence of spanking around the world, Friday at the 14th International Conference on Violence, Abuse and Trauma, in San Diego, Calif.

Spanking science

Whether or not spanking equates with dumber kids is not known, and may never be known. That's because the only way to truly show cause and effect would be to follow over time two groups of kids (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/childrenwhogetspankedhaveloweriqs/33507702/SIG=11b9bmehe/*http://www.livescience.com/topic/children), one randomly assigned to get spanked and another who would not get spanked. Barring that method, which is unfeasible, Straus considers his study the next best thing, as he looked back at a nationally representative set of kids who were followed over time.

Jennifer Lansford of Duke University's Center for Child and Family Policy and Social Science Research Institute called the study "interesting," and agrees the method is a strong one. Lansford, who was not involved with the study, said following kids over time as this study did rules out the possibility that children with lower IQs somehow elicit more physical discipline.
However, unlike research showing the link between spanking and a kid's aggressive behavior (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/childrenwhogetspankedhaveloweriqs/33507702/SIG=1221q2t72/*http://www.livescience.com/health/070928_sibling_aggression.html), in which kids model parents' actions, this link is less clear to her. She added that a question still left unanswered is "what are some of the other mechanisms that could be responsible for this link between physical discipline and lower IQ?"

How spanking harms

If spanking does send IQ scores down, Straus and others offer some explanations for what might be going on.
"Contrary to what everyone believes, being hit by parents is a traumatic experience," Straus said. "We know from lots of research that traumatic stresses affect the brain adversely." Also, the trauma could cause kids to have more stressful responses in difficult situations, and so may not perform as well cognitively.
By using hitting rather than words or other means of discipline, parents could be depriving kids of learning opportunities. "With spanking, a parent is delivering a punishment to get the child's attention and to get them to behave in a certain way," said Elizabeth Gershoff who studies childhood development at the University of Texas, Austin. "It's not fostering children's independent thinking."

So when a child gets in a bind, he or she might do the right thing to keep from a spanking rather than figuring out the best decision independently, added Gershoff, who was not involved in Straus's current study.
And then there are genes, as some kids are just born smarter than others.
Even though spanking has been shown to cause negative consequences, Gershoff said many parents still fall back on the behavior-shaping tool. As for why, she says it's a quick fix, though its seeming success is short-lived and the negative consequences often outweigh the positives. Parents also might have been spanked themselves and so continue the tradition.
Source (http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090925/sc_livescience/childrenwhogetspankedhaveloweriqs)

Óttar
09-26-2009, 02:25 AM
They have lower IQs because when they hit adulthood, they realize they pretty much have to pay for the favour.

Amapola
09-26-2009, 02:38 AM
Those researchers must have seen spanked :D

SwordoftheVistula
09-26-2009, 02:45 AM
Most likely explanation is that lower IQ children have more behavioral problems and thus are more likely to get spanked. Also that 'white liberal elites' are those most opposed to spanking.

Psychonaut
09-26-2009, 03:11 AM
Sensationalist headline-type studies like this show nothing more than correlation, not causation.

Loki
09-26-2009, 08:27 AM
This does actually make a lot of sense.

Fortis in Arduis
09-26-2009, 08:39 AM
Love the correlation.

You know who I am talking about...

A vision in stretch synthetics, you watch her scream expletives and hit her screaming children in the snack food aisle of the supermarket as she loads the trolley with carbohydrates and e-numbers.

Her ugly talentless children deserve no less.

How can we allow these foie gras people to get under our feet?

Lutiferre
09-26-2009, 08:55 AM
There is probably a golden middle way somewhere. Like we will explode with too much food, we still can't be very succesful without some healthy variation and amount of food.

In the same way, getting slapped a bit is probably better than not being slapped at all and getting your will always like a little brat.

lei.talk
09-26-2009, 12:44 PM
In the same way,
getting slapped a bit is probably better than not being slapped at all
and getting your will always like a little brat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma).

Lutiferre
09-26-2009, 01:19 PM
I never said those were the only two options, but I do see the extreme of children being allowed to behave like little brats often.

Absinthe
09-26-2009, 01:26 PM
I didn't read the article, but it makes sense.

Corporal punishment serves as a simple Skinnerian method: children learn not to misbehave because they're afraid of the consequences.

It takes more work on the behalf of the parent in order to instill some higher order reasoning in the children, i.e. why it is wrong to misbehave and how one's actions have an impact on the world around them.

Lutiferre
09-26-2009, 04:12 PM
Corporal punishment serves as a simple Skinnerian method: children learn not to misbehave because they're afraid of the consequences.

It takes more work on the behalf of the parent in order to instill some higher order reasoning in the children, i.e. why it is wrong to misbehave and how one's actions have an impact on the world around them.
Well, I think spanking a child is sometimes necessary if the child understands fully why what he has done is wrong and yet did it and perhaps doesn't even show any signs of regret.

If he doesn't, however.. it should be explained rather than punched into him.

Skandi
09-27-2009, 07:39 PM
You need to explain first and spank second, they need to know why they were punished, it should also be a very occasional punishment.
I personally don't believe this study, as others have said, cause and effect. which is which? And being spanked for something does not make you "afraid" as some have said , or at least not in the way that we as adults consider afraid, no more so than being sent to bed without dinner does.

HawkR
09-27-2009, 07:42 PM
Bullshit! Look upon those smartest in history, all come from the "old times" when spanking was natural in children upbringing, so technically they should've been stupid... I say nay!

Liffrea
09-28-2009, 11:20 AM
Originally Posted by Absinthe
It takes more work on the behalf of the parent in order to instill some higher order reasoning in the children, i.e. why it is wrong to misbehave and how one's actions have an impact on the world around them.

Can you reason with a three year old? I have read that children aren’t really open to reason until the age of seven.

As for the study, I think it explains a lot. Look at Westminster all those mentally disturbed social retards busily wrecking the country, most of them are down So Ho on a Saturday night getting whipped, beaten, spanked, and so on…..

Absinthe
09-28-2009, 11:30 AM
Can you reason with a three year old?

Yes, you can, with very simple arguments and metaphors that a 3-year old can understand :)


I have read that children aren’t really open to reason until the age of seven.

I start remembering myself around the age of 4 where I was already learning how to read on my own, how not to just "reason" about what is happening to me but also rationalize it, think about who is right and who is wrong, etc.

And I wasn't a genius, just a normal child with bad grades later on in school :p

Sally
09-28-2009, 11:38 AM
And I wasn't a genius, just a normal child with bad grades later on in school :p

I'm not the only one who thinks that where languages are concerned, you very well probably are a genius! :)

Absinthe
09-28-2009, 11:39 AM
I'm not the only one who thinks that where languages are concerned, you very well probably are a genius! :)
And there's the other guy that thinks I sound like a drunken Pakistani :D

Vargtand
09-28-2009, 01:07 PM
are parents who usually spank their children less intelligent than parents who don't? I have a feeling that, that is the case... and as everyone knows stupid breeds stupid, usually. :P

SuuT
09-28-2009, 01:45 PM
I always wondered why I am retarded. My ass still hurts.

Amapola
10-19-2009, 02:56 PM
Actually....
if "Spanking" is this, I am totally against it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRazDzky3LM