Guess/classify actor

[Rhobot]

http://www.cinetivu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/corrado-fortuna.jpg

http://static.episode39.it/artist/14180.jpg

[SilverFish]

Dinaric?

[Rhobot]

Can anybody guess what country he is from?

[Grey]

Looks Italian to me. Of course he also looks like a lot of American wiggers.

[Absinthe]

There's something in his profile shot that makes me think he's French.

Don't ask me what, it's metaphysical :p

[Rhobot]

Not French or American.

[Absinthe]

Is he European? Can you at least tell us that much? :p

[Mesrine]

Turk?

[Tabiti]

Caucasus?

[Rhobot]

He is European, yes. One of you was quite close.

[Beorn]

Armenian?

[Absinthe]

Spanish? Portuguese? Maltese? Just random shots in the dark :p

[Absinthe]

I know, I know! Ukrainian... :p

[Mesrine]

He is European, yes. One of you was quite close.

Greek.

[Absinthe]

Greek.
I was tempted to say so, but if he's a greek actor I would have seen him before so...I don't think so :)

[SuuT]

Dinaricised (robust) med and he's Sicilian. Or Corsican?

[Absinthe]

Grey guessed Italian already but his response was not verified by the thread starter...

And I'm guessing that must be the correct answer... :icon_ask:

[Rhobot]

He's not Greek but close. He's Sicilian. Name is Corrado Fortuna.

[Grey]

Yeah, my aunt married a Sicilian that looked a lot like that. Looks creepy.

[Mesrine]

He's not Greek but close. He's Sicilian. Name is Corrado Fortuna.

It will be difficult to know his precise Sicilian origins, as he's from Palermo, a big town.

[SuuT]

What do I win? :coffee:

[The Black Prince]

Very typical Dinarid-Mediterranid blend, typical as in a way of a good example of Graeco-Roman type (the type most portrayed at Classic-Greek and Roman busts, frescoes, etc.). This particular type is most common in Italy and the former Southern Roman half and Classic-Greek Colonial empire, especially in the areas where these two have an overlap (not in chronolgy but in geography ofcourse :)).

This fellow could pass best for Greek, Italian, Spaniard, Turk and adjacent countries (in this order for being common).

[Rhobot]

Maybe not as close to Greek as one might think. Catanesi, Messinesi, and Siracusani seem to be of primarily Greek ancestry and still spoke Greek at least into medieval times.
Palermo has always been really a mixed bag with native tribes and Phoenicians in early times; Arabs, Jews, Normans and Lombards in medieval times; and strong Spanish influence from late medieval times to the early 19th century.
I will try and think of a prize for Grey and SuuT.

[SuuT]

:confused2: A Sicilian is not an ethnic Italian or v. versa. Just ask one:D.

[Rhobot]

Sicilians are different in many ways from mainland southern Italians, and very different from northern Italians. Eastern Sicilians have a lot in common with Calabrians, but western and southern Sicilians are very distinct.

[Lenny]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6672/14180a.jpg
He's not phenotypically European in the philosophical sense. If you know what I mean.

If he is, then what exactly is the racialist argument against accepting Arab immigrants?

[Rhobot]

I don't think that most Sicilians fit in Sweden very well in phenotypically or culturally. Certainly less so than most other Europeans, but certainly more so than most Arabs on the other hand.
From a genetic standpoint, many Sicilians (and other people from the extreme southeast of Europe) are probably more closely related to Anatolian Turks and other Near Easterners than to Swedes. If you want to know why, just look at a map.

[ikki]

He's not Greek but close. He's Sicilian. Name is Corrado Fortuna.

Hairy trolls of palermo as i believe they are called

[Stefan]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6672/14180a.jpg
He's not phenotypically European in the philosophical sense. If you know what I mean.

If he is, then what exactly is the racialist argument against accepting Arab immigrants?

While I think the basis of not accepting an Arab is probably rooted at religion first and foremost. There is also the issue of Arabs being a very racially mixed group. While they may have shared origins with Sicilians and other Roman/Greeks through J YDNA ancestry, you can't really say that they are the same. Arabs have mixed with pretty much every type you can mix with, various Mongoloid groups, Negroids, even Australoid. This is discounting the obvious presence of them mixing with previously non-mixed Europids. The only Sicillians that I would classify as non-European as an Arab(or any other easterner) are probably the ones with specific ancestry from various times of occupation. Overall I would say the original J group in Europe is probably just a more pure form of that found in the Middle East. It is along the lines of comparing a Nordic White American, and a Nordic looking person that is really 1/16th Amerindian. While they look the same, and genetics may come up the same depending on the test, they are not. I hope that makes sense.

[Rhobot]

"Arab" is sort of like the American term Hispanic. It refers to people of varying ethnic origins who have adopted the Arabic language and usually the Islamic religion.

As for the Arab groups to whom Sicilians may be related, they would be Maghrebis (Arabized Berbers) and Lebanese (Arabized descendants of the Phoenicians).
Maybe about 6-8% of Y-chromosomes are of North African origin (probably higher in the southern part of the island), a similar proportion are of northwest European origin (probably concentrated in the northwest), while 37% of Sicilian Y-chromosomes are of probable Greek origin (Di Gaetano et al 2008).

For contrast, another Palermitan, footballer Massimo Taibi (granted, his type is probably not as common in Sicily as Fortuna's)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PlhTRVWKyOw/Rb-GuUTYX9I/AAAAAAAAAC8/6NCmYDc29ps/s320/taibi_mas.jpg