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RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 01:05 AM
Since Russia is now the largest Economy in Europe tough still lying in Asia with another part it shows the huge shift of reality into the Asian century which becomes more and more obvious. 4 of 5 of the biggest economies (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.PP.CD/countries/RU-IT-FR-DE-GB?order=wbapi_data_value_2012%20wbapi_data_value% 20wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc&display=default) lie now in Asia China, India, Japan and Russia none of that is European in the sense under EU.
Yes Russias majority population lies in Europe but its resources are lying in Asia mostly at the border of the Ural including 35 Million people living in Asian part equally to Canada.

the EU is lacking any access to the pacific and the asian market to be seen not only as an economic but also a political power similar to the US and Russia since its not bordering there and neither it has the will, power or money to build carriers and increase its military to have some legitimacy to engage into politics besides the european border like the US can globally.

Russia despite having a lot of problems i think it will profit in the future alone by the fact they are lying on both Continents, they can primarily concentrate on asian markets shifting its resources to asia getting away from western recession similar to australia which had actually never had any problems like other western countries.
When Europe might wakes up from their recession russia can increase trade with them too again but still will probably focus mainly on asia in the long run.

A major shift towards asia is for example (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-06-21/europe/40117955_1_sechin-cnpc-oil-giant) the 270 billion Oil deal with china, its as big than the whole economy of greece or norway for example. Thats how large this oil deal is.

Its also very important for china because not only get they more secure oil from russia which has not to pass trough sea where americas carriers are always ready to cripple chinese economy. But its also the biggest non petro dollar deal as both countries stopped trading bilateral agreement using dollar so the deal will be probably done with rubles and yuans, as china is the buyer primarily its yuans. This will strengthen Chinese currency replacing one day the dollar if china opens its currency to become the major global foreign currency printer.

This could be the EU years ago if they would be more aggressively towards the dollar. Or better yet if russia would belong to the Eurozone the trade would be only done in € as they would be a domestic market. The ECB with russias resources could print as much money as they can because it doesnt have to worry about higher fuel prices as russia would still be a domestic source for resources which would be dealt in euros instead foreign dollar on global markets. Thats why the FED is so aggressive in their policy because america has always cheaper energy less or no imports unlike the Eurozone which has no resources at all, thats why ECB is always cocious about devaluing the Euro.

riverman
07-07-2013, 01:06 AM
Europe needs America.

Virtuous
07-07-2013, 01:08 AM
Europe needs America.

Hahahahahaha. No.

RandoBloom
07-07-2013, 01:11 AM
Keep dreaming. Russia is unscrupulous and raw. It needs a lot of time for growing up to become even a minor alternative to US.

Damiăo de Góis
07-07-2013, 01:12 AM
By "needing America or Russia", what are we talking about here? Natural Gas and Oil ?

hobosmurf
07-07-2013, 01:13 AM
The ECB with russias resources could print as much money as they can because it doesnt have to worry about higher fuel prices as russia would still be a domestic source for recources which would be dealt in euros instead foreign dollar.

How would that be any better than the petrodollar? basically russia would be getting ripped off for the benefit of the eu countries instead of america wouldn't it?

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 01:16 AM
How would that be any better than the petrodollar? basically russia would be getting ripped off at the expense of the eu countries instead of america wouldn't it?

if the money would also go back to support russia and building roads and investing in siberia

RandoBloom
07-07-2013, 01:16 AM
By "needing America or Russia", what are we talking about here? Natural Gas and Oil ?

Geo-political and military alliance, with economic aspects

RandoBloom
07-07-2013, 01:17 AM
if the money would go back to support russia and building roads and investing in siberia

And why would europe want that?

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 01:19 AM
Keep dreaming. Russia is unscrupulous and raw. It needs a lot of time for growing up to become even a minor alternative to US.

no one is an alternative to the US neither europeans who with 500 million people have barley an economy equally to america. The EU lacks political, millitary and resourcefulness power to be an equal to america. With russia they might can.


By "needing America or Russia", what are we talking about here? Natural Gas and Oil ?

its about russia and the EU, do you think EU needs russia more or russia needs the EU more?

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 01:20 AM
And why would europe want that?

so russia is able gather more resources.

Virtuous
07-07-2013, 01:20 AM
Keep dreaming. Russia is unscrupulous and raw. It needs a lot of time for growing up to become even a minor alternative to US.

The US should better arrange it's shit cause it's been doing nothing but violate it's own constitution, against the interests of it's own people, culturally, the US is a shithole, and I don't want to Europe to be in Culturally Marxist corrupt politicians hands like it is now.

Graham
07-07-2013, 01:21 AM
We have low trade with Russia & high with the US.

RandoBloom
07-07-2013, 01:24 AM
The US should better arrange it's shit cause it's been doing nothing but violate it's own constitution, against the interests of it's own people, culturally, the US is a shithole, and I don't want to Europe to be in Culturally Marxist corrupt politicians hands like it is now.

Of course you want it in the hands of mentaly instable and dominating russia.
If you want to be a servant to russians then be my guest and go right ahead.

Annihilus
07-07-2013, 01:27 AM
Part of Europe is evolving rapidly to become independent of resources like oil and gas, other half is going trough he toilet though.

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 01:27 AM
We have low trade with Russia & high with the US.

no (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union#Trade)

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 01:30 AM
Part of Europe is evolving rapidly to become independent of resources like oil and gas, other half is going trough he toilet though.

yeah shale copper, shale gold, shale steel and titanium coming next in your pipedream. Also its not true for oil, europe has no shale oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_by_shale_oil_reserves).

Graham
07-07-2013, 01:31 AM
Sorry I meant UK. It's hard to think of a Europe as one, like a country. I'd like to know what Russia's biggest Export countries are too though. :)

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 01:31 AM
Part of Europe is evolving rapidly to become independent of resources like oil and gas, other half is going trough he toilet though.

see also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTt2hsgwOc0

Norka
07-07-2013, 01:32 AM
None. I would prefer if Russia did not join the union and the Europeans did not join the Federation.

Annihilus
07-07-2013, 01:35 AM
yeah shale copper, shale gold, shale steel and titanium coming next. Also its not true for oil, europe has no shale oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_by_shale_oil_reserves).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTt2hsgwOc0

I was talking about renewables, still a long way to go but especially Germany is making great progress.

hisn
07-07-2013, 01:39 AM
^^Yes but let Europe employ some of Tesla's ideas.. sounds less far-fetched than using prehistoric tar matter forever..

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 01:40 AM
I was talking about renewables, still a long way to go but especially Germany is making great progress.

its waste of taxpayer money. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_r enewable_sources) Look at russia they dont give a shit about this stuff but thanks to their rivers they have more than germanies subsidized renewable energies full of wind turbines. Here is russia again having best potential thanks to their rivers for this energy source.

Annihilus
07-07-2013, 01:47 AM
its waste of taxpayer money. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_r enewable_sources) Look at russia they dont give a shit about this stuff but thanks to their rivers they have more than germanies subsidized renewable energies full of wind turbines. Here is russia again having best potential thanks to their rivers for this energy source.

Look Russians are great people and they are pretty smart too but atm they live like arabs, pitty

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 01:58 AM
Look Russians are great people and they are pretty smart too but atm they live like arabs, pitty

i agree they live like saudis (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD/countries/1W-RU-SA-GR-TR-BH-PT?display=graph)

Annihilus
07-07-2013, 01:59 AM
i agree they live like saudis (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD/countries/1W-RU-SA-GR-TR-BH-PT?display=graph)

yes this is what I meant

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 02:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xiz8jPIaRx4&feature=youtu.be

RussiaPrussia
07-07-2013, 11:26 AM
great migla manipulating the poll again

Argestes
07-07-2013, 11:32 AM
I voted ....... no joining anything.

;)

That's already one voice.

:sing:

Thelema
07-07-2013, 11:36 AM
I'm against becoming a part of European Union. First of all, it's impossible due to big size of Russia (in this case, European Union should become a part of Russia), second - I'm against Europe as nationless drone - but for the union of national states. Third, I wouldn't like anybody from Brussels telling me what to do.

riverman
07-07-2013, 11:38 AM
The US should better arrange it's shit cause it's been doing nothing but violate it's own constitution, against the interests of it's own people, culturally, the US is a shithole, and I don't want to Europe to be in Culturally Marxist corrupt politicians hands like it is now.

Wow that made sense.

Nico
07-07-2013, 11:40 AM
Yes they do, if they want to be a superpower.
Maybe they were able to do it earlier in the 20th century without Russia, but most of the world was undeveloped far below Europe.
Now with greater competition, declining European population, decaying civilization, financial strain, etc, Russias help is needed because although they are not immune to these problems, they are a very strong country and have great amounts of resources which can supply Europe. They also take the right approach in terms of dealing with these "European" issues, instead of giving in to immigration and political correctness like Western Europe does.