My Questions About 9/11

[Sol Invictus]

Take a look at this:

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And I have a question: Why is it that, if an organically burning fire is responsible for the collapse of the towers as they would have us believe, why did the solid core-columns of the WTC give out before the softer steel making up the walls did? Surely you would think that the softer metal around the core would give out first, before the solid core of the building as would be logically conventional in a collapse of a building from fires. But since it's never happened before, it kind of adds more questions. :rolleyes:

Compare this fire which burned throughout the day and night:

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To this single fire that burned for 8 hours:

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And this fire that burned for just over an hour:

The Toppling Tower

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The Exploding Tower

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Look closely at the following footage. Before the collapse you can see what eyewitnesses at the site reported when they say flashes and pops were seen and heard before the collapse:

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'Squibs', known to demolition experts were clearly seen at the under infrastructure of the quickly accelerating collapse zone working it's way upwards towards it:

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[Loki]

How significant is this? I mean, from photographic & video evidence and that of thousands of eye witnesses, we know that planes did hit the twin towers. Why go to all the lengths of orchestrating planes to fly into the towers, and demolish it at the same time? I think even if they did not collapse completely, the effects would have been fairly similar -- perhaps even more dramatic. I mean, two towers standing for all to see, with two huge holes in them (if they did not collapse), scarring the New York City landscape forever. If they did not collapse, they towers would probably have been damaged beyond repair by the crashes, and would have had to be scrapped anyway.

[Nationalitist]

http://911myths.com/

[Sol Invictus]

How significant is this?

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Why go to all the lengths of orchestrating planes to fly into the towers, and demolish it at the same time?

A pearl harbour event was needed to get the world into perpetual warfare with an enemy that has no face and couldn't be defeated, even suggesting that he is probably dead, and conflicting evidence that he wasn't even involved in the first place. The FBI knows this, and the supposed Hijackers don't at all fit the modus operandi of Islamic Extremists. Mohammed Atta, as one example, lived with strippers, did coke, and drank heavily, and we're to believe that he was the ring-leader of a group of Hijackers on a martyrdom operation? It doesn't fit his profile in the least bit. I could go on and on about this and I would but I just don't have time for it.


I think even if they did not collapse completely, the effects would have been fairly similar -- perhaps even more dramatic.

A couple hundred deaths (at most) from a contained, and dying fire in the upper levels of the world trade centre is hardly as dramatic as the thousands. A couple hundred deaths wouldn't be enough to wage a global war on terror. That's my take.


I mean, two towers standing for all to see, with two huge holes in them (if they did not collapse), scarring the New York City landscape forever.

Better to scar, and capture the minds of the sheeple by destroying an icon.


they towers would probably have been damaged beyond repair by the crashes, and would have had to be scrapped anyway.

There you go. Kill 5 birds with 1 stone.. ;)

[Nationalitist]

The FBI knows this, and the supposed Hijackers don't at all fit the modus operandi of Islamic Extremists. Mohammed Atta, as one example, lived with strippers, did coke, and drank heavily, and we're to believe that he was the ring-leader of a group of Hijackers on a martyrdom operation? It doesn't fit his profile in the least bit.

http://911myths.com/html/strip_clubs.html

[Sol Invictus]

http://911myths.com/html/strip_clubs.html

Nice try but no dice. This is almost purely based on the assumption that the hijackers may have been a part of Al Takfir wal Hijra, a splinter group of Ikhwan, with affiliations to Al-CIAeda which is documented to have been penetrated and therefore compromised by British and U.S. intelligence, according to ex-CIA Miles Copeland and Robert Baer in this article (http://ce399.typepad.com/weblog/2006/04/the_cia_and_the.html).

(Just one example above, do a google search on the Muslim Brotherhood aka Ikhwan and you'll see whole pages of information about the relationship of them and the CIA.)

Ayman al-Zawahiri and Ramzib Yousef were both said to be members of this sect and both of them have CIA links. Again, compromised. Even if Mohammed Atta and the other hijackers were Takfir, that would mean the CIA would have had kept tabs on them and watched their movements closely if infact they were legitimate extremists, which I have serious doubts for. Infact, it's my speculation that these people were used as patsies who were completely un-aware of their part in the 'play' and were later affiliated in these non-existent group in a previously drawn-up and rehearsed plan.

[Sol Invictus]

http://911myths.com/

Again, I don't see how this passes any of what has been mentioned off as a 'myth' of a controlled demolition. That does not even come close to addressing any of the questions. Not even the tip of the iceberg. That cleverly drawn up site addresses this one question about this exclusively and ignores a myriad of other questions:




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The amount of energy required to pulverise the concrete in the North WTC tower, then heat up and expand the dust cloud was more than ten times that available from a gravity-driven collapse.

Then goes on to clearly state about it's conclusions about one scientist's studies and ignores the hundreds of others' and their questions. This is what they say about calling controlled demolition a 'myth':


We detail some below, but please keep in mind that we’re in no way qualified to say these are correct. There’s no major structural engineering experience here, no in-depth knowledge of physics: these pages are probably the most likely to be embarrassingly wrong than anything else on this site.

Enough said, really.

http://911myths.com/html/pulverised_concrete.html


Now compare it to this:

http://ae911truth.org

So much for 9/11 "myths"

Sites like that count on you not investigating for yourself. Don't bite.

[Thorum]

Let the truth be told:

"No one with a grain of sense (http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2235.htm) believes in the story of 9/11 anymore. Therefore, the entire world appeals to the Americans: These four planes, with 500 people on board... Let them give the names and identity of the people on these planes. They have nothing! Maybe two, three, or four... Newspapers in France and even in Israel have written about this. They said it was all lies and deception, but woe to anyone who says it out in the open. People keep quiet, according to their master's orders. He does not have any influence whatsoever. They built him an office and provided him with media coverage, but he has nothing. It's not like with us Arabs, where the president or king is everything. No. this is not the case [in the U.S.].
The U.S. is, in fact, run by a clandestine power, with strategies and plans of its own, as well as huge strategic depth. If they want to know anything about you, within two seconds, they know everything about you, your father, grandfather, and grandmother – 50 generations back. I'll tell you something, if you promise not to laugh. I am a regular guy. I never knew that my great great grandfather had married my great grandmother, for only seven days, and then she had my father [sic]. I didn't know that. One of them told me. These are things that happened 100 years ago. A hundred years ago we lived in a remote village named Kubeisa, which does not appear in history books. They know that my grandfather married my grandmother for a week. Why only one week? Because his other wife was a difficult woman, and she told him to divorce my grandmother. She was pregnant with my grandfather, and my father came later. I am 70 years old, and I never knew this. But they did.
Are the Americans really ruled by Bush?! This is inconceivable, brother. Bush is only a façade, and so is Obama. Why do I like Obama? This is a black man who has been able to slap history on the back of its neck, and to teach it that white skin is not a privilege. This black man has managed to overcome all the familiar obstacles.
[...]
[Obama is steered by] that terrible, black, dark lobby, which can erase the entire world at the push of a button. You cannot see it, you cannot recognize it. Clinton, who ruled planet Earth in its entirety, could not find a four-meter-square room in which to consummate his rights with what's-her-name? What was his girlfriend's name? Say it, don't be afraid... Monica. This man, who ruled the world, and who could destroy it 50 times over at the push of a button, was unable to find two square meters in which to hide from this lobby. They took pictures of it all, and said to him: by all means. Albright said: I pitied him. I went in and found him crying. The U.S. president was reduced to tears by this lobby. As far as the lobby is concerned, the U.S. president is as worthless as a bug, which can be either squashed or turned into an elephant."

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