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Anglojew
07-13-2013, 03:45 AM
Until 2009, right-wing Portuguese politician Jose Ribeiro e Castro didn't have much interest in the expulsion of his country's Jewish community in the 16th century. That changed once Ribeiro e Castro opened a Facebook account.

Online, the 60-year-old lawmaker and journalist connected to several Sephardic Jews, descendants of a once robust Jewish community numbering in the hundreds of thousands, many of whom were forced into exile in 1536 during the Portuguese Inquisition. Eventually the encounters morphed into a commitment to rectify a historic injustice.

For Ribeiro e Castro, correcting the injustice meant spearheading a bill to naturalize the Jewish descendants of expelled Jews, a measure that unanimously passed the Portuguese parliament in April and went on the books last week, making Portugal the only country besides Israel with a Jewish law of return.

"The law is a commendable initiative," said Nuno Wahnon Martins, the Lisbon-born director of European affairs for B'nai B'rith International. "It has economic considerations as well, which do not subtract from parliament's worthy decision."

Portugal's initiative comes as countries across Europe continue to invest millions to develop Jewish heritage sites -- an effort they say is rooted in their belated recognition of the continent's vibrant Jewish history, but often is also an acknowledged attempt to attract tourist dollars at a time of economic stagnation.

Last year, Spain announced a similar repatriation plan to Portugal's, though the effort has yet to advance. And the country boasts a network of nearly two dozen cities and towns, known as Red de Juderias, aimed at preserving Spain's Jewish cultural history in an effort to attract tourists.

Later this month, Portugal will open a $1.5 million learning center in Trancoso, a town once home to many Jews. The prime minister is slated to attend the July 19 opening of the center, which will be aimed at the area's anusim, descendants of Jews forcibly converted during the Inquisition.

"The tourism drive and the repatriation effort in Portugal and Spain are connected on several levels," said Michael Freund, founder and chairman of Shavei Israel, a Jerusalem-based nonprofit that runs outreach programs for anusim and will operate the Trancoso center. "The Sephardic Diaspora can be viewed as a large pool with the potential to benefit Spain and Portugal's economies, provided that pool can be drawn to visit, settle and invest."

Ribeiro e Castro, a soft-spoken man who tends to gesticulate vibrantly when discussing politics, insists he has no ulterior motives for promoting the legislation.

"For me, this is purely a historical and emotional goal," he said. "These efforts got stuck in Spain had remained stuck also in Portugal for a long time, until we move them along."
According to Ribeiro e Castro, his involvement in the project began as an experiment. In 2010, he encouraged several of his Jewish Facebook friends to apply for Portuguese citizenship, "just to see what happens."

At first, Portugal's powerful Socialist Party was none too thrilled about inviting descendants of Portuguese Jews to return. But the Socialists eventually came around, submitting their own bill to naturalize Sephardic Jews that ultimately was incorporated into Ribeiro e Castro's amendment to the Law on Nationality.

The new legislation says "the government will give nationality ... to Sephardic Jews of Portuguese ancestry who belong to a tradition of a Portuguese-descended Sephardic community, based on objective prerequisites proving a connection to Portugal through names, language and ancestry."

The law names Ladino, the Spanish-based Jewish dialect spoken by some 100,000 people worldwide, as a viable "linguistic connection."

Whatever his motivation, focusing international attention on the Catholic Church's dark history is a bold choice for Ribeiro e Castro, a Catholic himself and former director of the Church-affiliated TVI network. He attributes his decision to an old high school buddy who taught him about Sephardic traditions in Portugal, and to his father, who served as Portugal's colonial governor in Angola in the 1970s.

"My father was an admirer of what he called 'small history,' minor developments with a huge impact," Ribeiro e Castro said. "Naturalizing the Sephardim could be that."

For the law to have any impact, bureaucrats in Lisbon first need to address a host of complications. The Portuguese Bar Association already has warned that the law could compromise the constitutional principle of equality before the law.

And then there are practical issues.

"Differentiating between Jews whose families were exiled [from] Spain and those who fled Portugal is very difficult," said Jose Oulman Carp, president of Lisbon's Jewish community.

"Clearly the Jewish communities [of Portugal] will need to be consulted on the screening process and we can provide some input, but the distinction is nearly impossible in many cases."
But whatever the end result, merely the effort to lure back Portuguese Jews constitutes, in Freund's mind, an ironic twist of history.

"Five centuries ago, the expulsion happened partly because the Iberian rulers wanted the Jews' assets," Freund said. "Now we see efforts to welcome back the Jews partly for the same reason."



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Lusos
07-13-2013, 07:43 AM
""Five centuries ago, the expulsion happened partly because the Iberian rulers wanted the Jews' assets," Freund said. "Now we see efforts to welcome back the Jews partly for the same reason."

No.Because usually Jews only share the profits with there own community.And not with the Nation that houses them.
I do not want here In Portugal,schools only for Jews,neighbourhoods only for Jews,etc.

"Portuguese Jews "

Here nothing is bigger then Portugal.
We don't call our self Portuguese Christians,just Portuguese.

If the Jews are coming,they will always be a minority.Perhaps this is the best time for the Jews to come.With all this Social tension.

Catrau
07-13-2013, 09:49 AM
The jews in Portugal were never hundreds of thousands. In those days there were 1 million Portuguese and jew were a small minority. In my home town, that had a jewish community, they all lived in one street. And there were plenty of streets.

I have nothing against the jews but I feel that they have this innate bad habit of putting themselves at the tip of the toes... Always better than the world. Maybe it's the cause of their problems.

Vasconcelos
07-13-2013, 06:29 PM
The jews in Portugal were never hundreds of thousands. In those days there were 1 million Portuguese and jew were a small minority.

Typical exageration, it's really disgusting.

Lusos
07-14-2013, 06:45 AM
Sod them all.

Philo
07-14-2013, 06:48 AM
If I was a Jew with Portugese origins I would just try to get the passport since Porto-land is part of the EU, so you can travel much easier.


""Five centuries ago, the expulsion happened partly because the Iberian rulers wanted the Jews' assets," Freund said. "Now we see efforts to welcome back the Jews partly for the same reason."

No.Because usually Jews only share the profits with there own community.And not with the Nation that houses them.
I do not want here In Portugal,schools only for Jews,neighbourhoods only for Jews,etc.


No, they kicked Jews because they were religous fanatics, end of story.

Lusos
07-14-2013, 07:03 AM
If I was a Jew with Portugese origins I would just try to get the passport since Porto-land is part of the EU, so you can travel much easier.



No, they kicked Jews because they were religous fanatics, end of story.

Back then,everyone was a religious fanatic.
Now not so much everyone.

Philo
07-14-2013, 07:12 AM
Back then,everyone was a religious fanatic.
Now not so much everyone.
Of course. But maybe Ferdinand and Isabella even more. I think even today Iberians are more religous than other Europeans. Well portugese are 81% Catholic and 3.3% belong to other Christian sects. Awefully high. Spaniards are 70.9% Christian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Spain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Portugal

Lusos
07-14-2013, 09:09 AM
Of course. But maybe Ferdinand and Isabella even more. I think even today Iberians are more religous than other Europeans. Well portugese are 81% Catholic and 3.3% belong to other Christian sects. Awefully high. Spaniards are 70.9% Christian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Spain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Portugal

" Portugese are 81%"

I think more.
But that's tradition.
I've been three times to the Church.
When I was Baptised when I got Married,And at my Daughters Baptism.

Philo
07-14-2013, 09:40 AM
" Portugese are 81%"

I think more.
But that's tradition.
I've been three times to the Church.
When I was Baptised when I got Married,And at my Daughters Baptism.
Well according to this Portugal is 8th place in Europe and Spain 11th place(Croatia has more than Spain but they are not in the EU so they are written under all the EU countries):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_europe#Eurobarometer_poll_2010
You can imagine what it was like, 500 years ago.

Empecinado
07-14-2013, 09:53 AM
Of course. But maybe Ferdinand and Isabella even more. I think even today Iberians are more religous than other Europeans. Well portugese are 81% Catholic and 3.3% belong to other Christian sects. Awefully high. Spaniards are 70.9% Christian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Spain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Portugal

I don't know the situation in Portugal, but in Spain only people over 65 years old are religious and go to the church. The religiosity of Spain is a past stuff.

CrystalMaiden
07-14-2013, 09:54 AM
Typical exageration, it's really disgusting.

You racist shit, IT WAS 6 MILLION!

Philo
07-14-2013, 09:56 AM
This thread has literally descended into the abyss with the arrival of HalalMaiden.

I don't know the situation in Portugal, but in Spain only people over 65 years old are religious and go to the church. The religiosity of Spain is a past stuff.

Are you sure? Or are you just telling that in order to reaffirm yourself since you're an Atheist?
Well my judgement is only based on a few individuals from this forum. I am sure you understand where I got the impression.

CrystalMaiden
07-14-2013, 09:57 AM
This thread has literally descended into the abyss with the arrival of HalalMaiden.

I am sorry, what I meant to say was, the number was much closer to 18,5 billion righteous Jews :(

Oh how will YHW ever forgive us for all the ovenbaked Joos the Hispanics cooked...

Empecinado
07-14-2013, 10:10 AM
Are you sure? Or are you just telling that in order to reaffirm yourself since you're an Atheist?
Well my judgement is only based on a few individuals from this forum. I am sure you understand where I got the impression.

You only need to enter a church ... are all almost empty and only there are a few old woman praying. Most people considered Christians on the census (and Atheist too) just go to church for baptisms, first communions, weddings and funerals.

Philo
07-14-2013, 10:12 AM
You only need to enter a church ... are all almost empty and only there are a few old woman praying. Most people considered Christians on the census (and Atheist too) just go to church for baptisms, first communions, weddings and funerals.

Do Christians have specific prey times like Jews and Muslims? Because if not than entering a church is not conclusive.

Empecinado
07-14-2013, 10:19 AM
Do Christians have specific prey times like Jews and Muslims? Because if not than entering a church is not conclusive.

Sunday Mass and special prey times on some days of the year. According official census, only 13% of "Catholics" go to prey.

Gaijin
07-14-2013, 10:35 AM
You racist shit, IT WAS 6 MILLION!

During the 16th Century, Portugal had a populace of ~1 Million citizens, countrywide.
I have idea where did you pick up those 6 Million Jews (over 1 Million people). Since Portugals population never exceeded such cardinal, before or during the Inquisition, in the first place.

Damiăo de Góis
07-14-2013, 12:49 PM
Well according to this Portugal is 8th place in Europe and Spain 11th place(Croatia has more than Spain but they are not in the EU so they are written under all the EU countries):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_europe#Eurobarometer_poll_2010
You can imagine what it was like, 500 years ago.

The vast majority of people here are non-practising catholics. They won't step into a church except for weddings and funerals but if you ask their religion they will say catholic with no hesitation.

Vasconcelos
07-14-2013, 03:47 PM
The vast majority of people here are non-practising catholics. They won't step into a church except for weddings and funerals but if you ask their religion they will say catholic with no hesitation.

Pretty much this. My mother is "Catholic" but she hasn't attended mass for decades. The vast majority of young people are irreligious - what Empecinado said is true.

Philo
07-15-2013, 12:47 PM
During the 16th Century, Portugal had a populace of ~1 Million citizens, countrywide.
I have idea where did you pick up those 6 Million Jews (over 1 Million people). Since Portugals population never exceeded such cardinal, before or during the Inquisition, in the first place.
It is her sick cynicism.