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Geni
07-18-2013, 06:42 PM
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=35755&d=1374172925

Geni
07-18-2013, 06:47 PM
I am R1b1a2a1....tipic alba..and you ?

ALSh
07-18-2013, 06:56 PM
Geno vazhdo per gjenetike se ke aftesi :D

Geni
07-18-2013, 06:58 PM
Ka dale edhe Safo si une..shife pak te harta sa kemi ne shqiptaret ne ballkan,,ketu eshte R1b1a2a ( l 23)

1stLightHorse
07-18-2013, 08:02 PM
Is P312 Gaulish???

Damiăo de Góis
07-18-2013, 08:28 PM
New but uses old numenclature.

Germanicus
07-18-2013, 10:47 PM
R1b<<<<<

Artek
07-19-2013, 08:49 AM
There is only 1 part of that map I can argue with - R1b1a2 (M269) entering Eastern Europe from the Steppes.

Personally, I think it entered Central&Eastern Europe via Balkans, with already less elevated West Asian admixture.

See:
35762

Fire Haired
07-26-2013, 03:56 AM
Is P312 Gaulish???

it is Italo Celtic. There are 4 subclades of R1b P312/S116. R1b L21(Brtian Ireland insular Celtic (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FInsular _Celts&ei=C_PxUfrJDMeoqgGBvoHICQ&usg=AFQjCNHQfhpGQLUO2odLZ6h5HWgc-qaZXg)), R1b S128(Hallstatt (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?87190-R1b-S28-and-R1b-S116-Beast-Bronze-and-Iron-age-warrior-DNA-marker) Gaulic and Villnoavean (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FVillano van_culture&ei=MPPxUYXhEIOCrgHj24GoAg&usg=AFQjCNEomyEEihCqZAFE9TdgjfgZ461ePA) Italic), R1b Df27(Celt Iberian). The Italic language was not nearly as spread out as the Celtic language its stayed isolated in the alps then finally migrated to Italy from 3,200-2,800ybp and spread R1b S28. Those Italics came from the same father culture as Hallstatt/La Tene Gauls.

The R1b S28 Italics and Celts where some of the earliest Iron makers in Europe and the world. I call r1b s28 the beast Italo Celtic iron age warrior marker. They conquered. Italy, Iberia, and much of eastern Europe from 3,200-2,700ybp. That is the culture the Gauls Romans knew came out of. here is a link to a thread where i explain it
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?87190-R1b-S28-and-R1b-S116-Beast-Bronze-and-Iron-age-warrior-DNA-marker

Geni
08-08-2013, 05:06 PM
Now is clar why fast all R1b albanians greecs romanians and maybe bulgarians are R1b L23

Graham
08-08-2013, 08:17 PM
Bell Beaker Culture
http://what-when-how.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tmp728_thumb1_thumb.jpg
Urnfield Culture
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/UrnfieldCulture.jpg
Hallstatt Culture
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Hallstatt.png/763px-Hallstatt.png

Fire Haired
08-10-2013, 07:48 AM
Graham Bell Beaker was conquered by Germanic Italo Celts with R1b L51 and R1b L11. Urnfield is descended from Unetice which was the first major Indo European culture to conquer Bell Beaker. Bell Beaker is not related to R1b in western Europe it was conquered by it.