What's the justification for immigration to Sweden?

[Wolf]

I've wondered how immigration to Sweden, esp. the Muslim one, is justified? Most of the immigrants in the UK and France descended from the former colonies. In Germany, immigration is justified with the need of work force and the Nazi past. But what's about Sweden? The country didn't have any colonies in these regions and also no problematic past.

What's the answer?

[Lux Aeterna]

Swedes have bigger hearts than brains :bored:

[Dombra]

Work,"help" = None

[Windischer]

more voters for socialist parties probably?

[The Alchemist]

I want to immigrate there, too.

[Wolf]

bump

[Kiyant]

Many Turks in know who immigrated to sweden are from Germany or Austria because they pay better then the other 2 countries.
Dont know for others.

[Hàkon]

There is a sense of a magnanimity that comes with altruistic acts that simply very much appeals to (cultural) Swedes, and in combination with the already very forbearing way of the Swede the more "rational" arguments (consisting of rather abstract models of the long-term economical benefits of immigration) are swallowed whole, generally.

[Krampus]

^dolan gtfo

[Permafrost]

I've wondered how immigration to Sweden, esp. the Muslim one, is justified? Most of the immigrants in the UK and France descended from the former colonies. In Germany, immigration is justified with the need of work force and the Nazi past. But what's about Sweden? The country didn't have any colonies in these regions and also no problematic past.

But are those viable justifications for you? The Brits, French and Germans living today have nothing to do with the actions of their forefathers.

They can make-up a justification for immigration in Sweden in a blink of an eye, who knows, something like 'We don't fancy the colour of their socks...' etc. In fact, I don't think a justification is needed at all, I guess this is the answer for your underlying rhetorical question.

[Austo]

the reason is propaganda against nationalism, for liberalism, multiculturalism.
As far as i know swedes have a lot of english-speaking TV. So they get the propaganda more direct than other countries.

[Gorštak]

Before some time, there was one story here.
Like, Sweden have a lot of territory where nobody lives , and they ask foreigners to come and live there because, this is best part, they want to see could humans live there without problems( for some reason they think there should be some problems).
Anyway, I never pay attention to that story, I guess it was just a myth, though sound like a good scenario for horror movie:p

[Austo]

Everything is always about propaganda. You want to win a war, start with propaganda! Most People nowadays would never die for their countries anymore because of the lack of nationalism.
And that is why many countries of europe are now weak. Conquered by propaganda from zionists.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Because vanilla swedes want some chocolate flavor :lol:

[mr. logan]

The breaking of population hegemony, forcing interbreeding, supported by media models. The alienation of population inside their own territory. The alien workforce is mostly useless, they mostly live on taxes, they push crime, dope and prostitution, the culture is mostly non existent. Why would you want that near your home?

[Gorštak]

Everything is always about propaganda. You want to win a war, start with propaganda! Most People nowadays would never die for their countries anymore because of the lack of nationalism.
And that is why many countries of europe are now weak. Conquered by propaganda from zionists.

Don't worry , if Austrians would not want to fight for Austria, we Bosniaks will come again, like in good old times:laugh:
We anyway have our own interests there, Austria give special permission that every of us can go to study in Austria if we want:lmao

[arcticwolf]

I like Scandos they are good, kewl and nice people, but they have been bred into sheeple. It's parents fault for teaching kids nonsense. They have lost touch with reality. You bring poisonous snake home it's gonna bite you sooner or later, common sense will tell you that. No amount of kumbaya singing and good vibes is gonna change reality. They are their own worst enemies, they inflict misery on themselves, for an unrealistic feel good crap. You can civilize yourself out of existence, it's happened before. The primitive, crude and rude minds don't abstract so much for them is power, eating, shitting, drinking, sleeping and fucking.

Lack of wisdom is what is doing them in. You can be civilized up to a wazoo, intelligent off the charts, but if you lack wisdom you are a dummy and you gonna do dumb things, it's as simple as that.

[Styggnacke]

more voters for socialist parties probably?
Actually, the immigration have always been greater when anti-socialists have been ruling.

As far as i know swedes have a lot of english-speaking TV. So they get the propaganda more direct than other countries.
No, that's not really true.

The most common arguments are basically that we have an old population and if we don't have immigration there will be labor shortages (proved to be bullshit) and that they will "culturally enrich" us. Some are honest with their intentions, like Johan Norberg, and admit that they support immigration as a way to destroy the welfare system, to achieve their libertarian dream societies.

[Not a Cop]

Actually, the immigration have always been greater when anti-socialists have been ruling.

No, that's not really true.

The most common arguments are basically that we have an old population and if we don't have immigration there will be labor shortages (proved to be bullshit) and that they will "culturally enrich" us. Some are honest with their intentions, like Johan Norberg, and admit that they support immigration as a way to destroy the welfare system, to achieve their libertarian dream societies.

Ok, so who do benefit?

[Austo]

Don't worry , if Austrians would not want to fight for Austria, we Bosniaks will come again, like in good old times:laugh:
We anyway have our own interests there, Austria give special permission that every of us can go to study in Austria if we want:lmao

nobody can beat us in mountain terrain, so no thank you.

[Wolf]

But are those viable justifications for you?

No, but that's the way it is.



In fact, I don't think a justification is needed at all, I guess this is the answer for your underlying rhetorical question.

Not really.



There is a sense of a magnanimity that comes with altruistic acts that simply very much appeals to (cultural) Swedes, and in combination with the already very forbearing way of the Swede the more "rational" arguments (consisting of rather abstract models of the long-term economical benefits of immigration) are swallowed whole, generally.

So, Swedes are just too nice?



Actually, the immigration have always been greater when anti-socialists have been ruling.

Socialists needn't to rule in order to influence society. They indoctrinate by the use of the media and the education system.



The most common arguments are basically that we have an old population and if we don't have immigration there will be labor shortages (proved to be bullshit) and that they will "culturally enrich" us.

That sounds very familiar to me. :rolleyes:

[Chieftain]

As far as I am concerned the huge immigration wave in Sweden from third-world countries is linked to civil wars and internal conflicts in Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Lebanon,Afghanistan , Ex-Yugoslavia(Bosnians, Kosovoalbanians, and other yugoslavian people in general), whilst the immigration from Pakistan, Turkey, China and asian countries(India, South Korea) came lately more as a trend, which's reason I am not so sure about.

I think that the immigrants expect to find a very soft terrain, and a very soft law system including soft police, courthouse system and so on, therefore they will hit the opportunity right away.

Last week, 14 Somalis, 3 Afghans and 12 Pakistanis and some Iraqis were caught in the Albanian-Montenegrin border, as illegal immigrants whoose intention was to immigrate illegaly into Sweden, from Hungary, however they were stopped right on time.

Under the circumstances where over 20% of the population is immigrant, I must say I feel sorry about one of the most important european nations, once a mighty kingdom, today a MENA playground..

[Styggnacke]

Socialists needn't to rule in order to influence society. They indoctrinate by the use of the media and the education system.
Yes, but the right wing here has always been in the forefront of promoting immigration, from the 60's to today.

[Gorštak]

nobody can beat us in mountain terrain, so no thank you.

Bosniaks were best soldiers of entire k.u.k. army in WW1.
We even today have privileges by Austria because of that.
Look what this great man said:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?87889-The-best-description-of-Bosniaks

[Wolf]

Yes, but the right wing here has always been in the forefront of promoting immigration, from the 60's to today.

Which parties do you mean exactly?



Bosniaks were best soldiers of entire k.u.k. army in WW1.

Please, stick to the topic!

[Incal]

I guess they want to be martyrs or some shit like that.

[Kiyant]

nobody can beat us in mountain terrain, so no thank you.

Werent you guys defeated by the soviets so i dont really think you are invincible.....

[Styggnacke]

Which parties do you mean exactly?
Primarily Moderaterna (former Högerpartiet).

[Wolf]

Primarily Moderaterna (former Högerpartiet).

They have changed their political orientation, that doesn't count.

[Hàkon]

So, Swedes are just too nice?

Too willing to make things work, rather.

[Mazik]

Before some time, there was one story here.
Like, Sweden have a lot of territory where nobody lives , and they ask foreigners to come and live there because, this is best part, they want to see could humans live there without problems( for some reason they think there should be some problems).
Anyway, I never pay attention to that story, I guess it was just a myth, though sound like a good scenario for horror movie:p

Never heard about that before. But it's obviously not true.

If it was, then we would have sent loads of immigrants to live and make a living in the harsh environments of Lapland. And that's not really the case.

[Dombra]

Never heard about that before. But it's obviously not true.

If it was, then we would have sent loads of immigrants to live and make a living in the harsh environments of Lapland. And that's not really the case.

Techniqually they deported Finns to Norrland in general long time ago

[Mazik]

Techniqually they deported Finns to Norrland in general long time ago

Yea, you're right, I think you mean the by/lappfinnar?
But then we talk about something else than the post-60s immigration ;)

[Dombra]

Yea, you're right, I think you mean the by/lappfinnar?
But then we talk about something else than the post-60s immigration ;)

oh :0

Not lapps but tornedalsfinnar etc.

[Mazik]

oh :0

Not lapps but tornedalsfinnar etc.

Lappfinnar because they came from Finnish Lapland (and not because there were Lapps). But yea Tornedalsfinnar is another name for them :)

[sevruk]

no justification

[Dombra]

Lappfinnar because they came from Finnish Lapland (and not because there were Lapps). But yea Tornedalsfinnar is another name for them :)

Lappfinns where even transferred to Dalarna and more southern parts

[Caismeachd]

I'm in Sweden now. I think the average Swede would overlook a Muslim immigrant and would be more critical of me as a white guy who isn't a native Swede (even though I do legitimately have Scandinavian ancestry). It doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe I have had a more difficult life than refuges? Maybe I have all the reason in the world to want to live here and the initiative to move here and contribute as best I can. But I know the avg Swede would probably be very critical and judgemental of me (harder on me) vs a muslim refugee. Can someone explain that?

[Styggnacke]

I'm in Sweden now. I think the average Swede would overlook a Muslim immigrant and would be more critical of me as a white guy who isn't a native Swede (even though I do legitimately have Scandinavian ancestry). It doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe I have had a more difficult life than refuges? Maybe I have all the reason in the world to want to live here and the initiative to move here and contribute as best I can. But I know the avg Swede would probably be very critical and judgemental of me (harder on me) vs a muslim refugee. Can someone explain that?
What makes you think that? There are (sadly) quite many wannabe-Americans here, so I'm sure everything will be fine for you.

[Caismeachd]

What makes you think that? There are (sadly) quite many wannabe-Americans here, so I'm sure everything will be fine for you.

I don't act American at all. Anyways, I am an EU citizen. People out and about have been very friendly towards me for the most part. People just assume I am Swedish until I say either Talar du Engelska or Jag förstår inte Svenska or something similar. American wannabes also annoy me BTW. There are a lot in Denmark. They are usually younger kids who are trying too hard.

[Peikko]

I don't act American at all. Anyways, I am an EU citizen. People out and about have been very friendly towards me for the most part. People just assume I am Swedish until I say either Talar du Engelska or Jag förstår inte Svenska or something similar. American wannabes also annoy me BTW. There are a lot in Denmark. They are usually younger kids who are trying too hard.
It's the skateboarding little brats, who wear too big clothes.

[Caismeachd]

Yeah, big pants, toddler shoes, hats backwards, gaudy tattoos. I haven't seen too many in Sweden but a lot more in Denmark.

[Caismeachd]

I've left Sweden now. I did a work exchange program on the recommendation of a Spanish friend's ex girlfriend. Who happens to be a hippy type. I went through two hosts and couldn't stand either. One was a drunk, and the other was a crazy dog hoarder. Life is stranger than fiction sometimes. Heading off to Berlin next. I think Sweden overall is a nice country and the people are very friendly but I'm not up to much hippy shit.