Armenian genocide

[Guapo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide

[Guapo]

turks are sickest people

[gregorius]

JUSTICE :laugh:

[Guapo]

JUSTICE :laugh:

The poster Kiyant believe Srebrenica genocide happend but doesnt believe the Armenian genocide.

[gregorius]

The poster Kiyant believe Srebrenica genocide happend but doesnt believe the Armenian genocide.

What about the Serbian Genocide in ww2, does he believe in that?

[Guapo]

What about the Serbian Genocide in ww2, does he believe in that?

No, he is a hypocrite.

[Armenian Bishop]

Thank You for opening this Thread, Guapo!

[Annihilus]

turks are sickest people

Many Armenians are sick Turks today:D.

Also many Turks are cry for me Armenians today.

[Shah-Jehan]

Many Armenians are sick Turks today:D.

Also many Turks are cry for me Armenians today.

And so are many Kurds:D

[Scholarios]

You can't blame Turks for not openly admitting what happened in Armenia. In Turkey you can actually be prosecuted or murdered for expressing such opinions.

The problems in the Hrant Dink murder case are multilayered. Some bureaucrats who failed to fulfill their obligations in this process were not brought to trial. The gendarmerie and police intelligence units in Trabzon were informed in advance that the murder would be committed. The İstanbul Police Department was also informed that this murder would be committed based on the intelligence reports it received. Many other mistakes like this were committed too, leading to the actual murder.

We also know that the role of the state in the murder is not limited to these negligent acts. The deep state was actively involved in the planning and commission of this murder.

http://www.todayszaman.com/columnists-304360-is-the-hrant-dink-murder-being-resolved.html

[Annihilus]

You can't blame Turks for not openly admitting what happened in Armenia. In Turkey you can actually be prosecuted or murdered for expressing such opinions.

The problems in the Hrant Dink murder case are multilayered. Some bureaucrats who failed to fulfill their obligations in this process were not brought to trial. The gendarmerie and police intelligence units in Trabzon were informed in advance that the murder would be committed. The İstanbul Police Department was also informed that this murder would be committed based on the intelligence reports it received. Many other mistakes like this were committed too, leading to the actual murder.

We also know that the role of the state in the murder is not limited to these negligent acts. The deep state was actively involved in the planning and commission of this murder.

http://www.todayszaman.com/columnists-304360-is-the-hrant-dink-murder-being-resolved.html

Well the "deep state" got life sentences, can we say anything we want now?

[Scholarios]

Well the "deep state" got life sentences, can we say anything we want now?

You tell me, can you?.

[Pjeter Pan]

No Turk has the right to deny the Armenian genocide its idiotic.
Are they fucking heartless bastards
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Assyrians Genocide
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Genocide

Greek genocide
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

It's illegal to talk about these genocides in turkey

[Hayalet]

It's illegal to talk about these genocides in turkey
No, it isn't. On the other hand, it is illegal to deny them in France and Switzerland.

[Armenian Bishop]

The poster Kiyant believe Srebrenica genocide happend but doesnt believe the Armenian genocide.

Kiyant isn't alone among Turks who point an accusatory finger at others, yet clueless about the grim realities of the Armenian Genocide, in Turkey's own backyard. Hired shills of Turkish international lobby networks, as well as Turks, have adopted Armenian genocide denial tactics, when confronted by this grim reality.

For example: In the 1990's, a Turkish diplomat paraded himself at Booknotes, on C-Span, in an endeavor to drag the USA into the ugly Balkan mess, but he wouldn't take responsibility for the Armenian Genocide, when confronted by concerned callers.

The Turkish Lobby is well financed, and is aggressively supported by the Turkish Deep State. It has even taken unethical actions, such as bugging and spying on the homes of American Congressional Members, in order to silence opposition.

[orangepulp]

Problem with Armenians is that they love to whine about something that happened a century ago and like little children expect an appology from people who were not even alive at the time of the so-called events. They like to look at the story one sided and never mention the casualties they caused or the innocent people they killed. And the hypocrisy of some of the western states that support the Armenian cause and criticize Turks while they forgot the genocides they performed on Jews, native Americans and other ethnic minorities is not mentioned.

[StonyArabia]

Problem with Armenians is that they love to whine about something that happened a century ago and like little children expect an appology from people who were not even alive at the time of the so-called events. They like to look at the story one sided and never mention the casualties they caused or the innocent people they killed. And the hypocrisy of some of the western states that support the Armenian cause and criticize Turks while they forgot the genocides they performed on Jews, native Americans and other ethnic minorities is not mentioned.

Yeah no one mentions the Circassian genocide, and guess why my dear?

[Shah-Jehan]

Yeah no one mentions the Circassian genocide, and guess why my dear?

because it was committed by Europeans?

[Ultra]

Problem with Armenians is that they love to whine about something that happened a century ago and like little children expect an appology from people who were not even alive at the time of the so-called events. They like to look at the story one sided and never mention the casualties they caused or the innocent people they killed. And the hypocrisy of some of the western states that support the Armenian cause and criticize Turks while they forgot the genocides they performed on Jews, native Americans and other ethnic minorities is not mentioned.
Problem with Turks is that they love to talk about other genocides most which happened more than a century ago while not acknowledging the Armenian, Greek, Assyrian genocide etc. :rolleyes:



When have you met a German/heard about who denies the Holocaust? I can imagine they are one of the people on this planet who deny it the least. :)

[orangepulp]

Yeah no one mentions the Circassian genocide, and guess why my dear?

Cause it's not a genodie if you're a Muslim.

[StonyArabia]

because it was committed by Europeans?

Yes and they were Muslims.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Well the "deep state" got life sentences, can we say anything we want now?

Hrant Dink was murdered during Erdogans' reign... And at first all of you pretended as if nothing had happened: The murder posing with policemen e.t.c. e.t.c.

[Ultra]

Yeah no one mentions the Circassian genocide, and guess why my dear?
What for? You know that it doesn't butthurt Russians especially when mentioned by Western media unlike the Holocaust does when used as (silly) means to silence Western critics of multiculture, mass-immigration to Western Europe/the West etc.

[orangepulp]

Problem with Turks is that they love to talk about other genocides most which happened more than a century ago while not acknowledging the Armenian, Greek, Assyrian genocide etc. :rolleyes:



When have you met a German/heard about who denies the Holocaust? I can imagine they are one of the people on this planet who deny it the least. :)
Civil war is not a genocide.

Some mention but few times you will see westerners bringing up the genocides commited towards native Americans or blacks. Even if they mention it, no one criticizes them they are angels, Turks are devils.

[Ultra]

Civil war is not a genocide.

Some mention but few times you will see westerners bringing up the genocides commited towards native Americans or blacks. Even if they mention it, no one criticizes them they are angels, Turks are devils.
Yeah okay, so the Circassian genocide wasn't actually a genocide since it was part of a war? And what about the Greek genocide which happened before Greece went to war with the Turks in WW1? :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

[Shah-Jehan]

Yeah okay, so the Circassian genocide wasn't actually a genocide since it was part of a war? And what about the Greek genocide which happened before Greece went to war with the Turks in WW1? :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
It wasn't part of a war...it had been done long after the Circassian lands were ceased...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Problem with Armenians is that they love to whine about something that happened a century ago and like little children expect an appology from people who were not even alive at the time of the so-called events. They like to look at the story one sided and never mention the casualties they caused or the innocent people they killed. And the hypocrisy of some of the western states that support the Armenian cause and criticize Turks while they forgot the genocides they performed on Jews, native Americans and other ethnic minorities is not mentioned.

I don't think that the Germans have denied or forgotten the genocides upon the Jews, nor the U.S. of A. has muted whatever genocides took place against Indians. Many Indian tribes in the U.S. of A. have special privileges not afforded to other communities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_civil_rights#Sovereignty


All American Indian tribes are under the U.S. government just as other minority groups. However, unlike other minority groups who are immigrants to the United States, American Indians are indigenous to American land and have therefore sought and gained sovereignty.[27] Native sovereignty is made complex by the fact that the British (in colonial times) and American government also co-exist in the same country.[28] Furthermore, American Indian “government” is not government in the traditional sense of authority and control, but is more like leadership over a community.[28] It is difficult to describe American Indian government in a definite manner due to the fact that there are many different Native tribes with different forms of governing. As of August 2012, there are federally recognized 564 American Indian tribes.[27] During the colonial period, American Indian sovereignty was upheld by the negotiation of treaties between British proprietor and American Indian tribes. Treaties are agreements between two sovereign governments, and, therefore, the treaties made were made under the understanding that the tribes had equal sovereignty to the sovereignty of the colonial governments.[28]

Real map of the U.S. of A. without lands sovereign to Indian tribes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Indian_reservations.gif

You Turks are a bunch of lowlifes who have never recognized any harm done to anybody, and you keep denying your responsibility in all sorts of genocidal acts from your government. Ironically, the only Turk EVER to acknowledge Turkish crimes was Kemal Ataturk himself who thought of the "Young Turks" as criminals...

[Ultra]

It wasn't part of a war...it had been done long after the Circassian lands were ceased...
Same with Greeks, Lol. Besides it says most of them "left" here. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide#Expulsion_from_the_Caucasus_to _the_Ottoman_Empire

[Petros Houhoulis]

Civil war is not a genocide.

Some mention but few times you will see westerners bringing up the genocides commited towards native Americans or blacks. Even if they mention it, no one criticizes them they are angels, Turks are devils.

Yeah, that's why you burnt more than 3.000 Kurdish villages recently. You see, it doesn't count because it was a civil war!!!

Sorry boy, but you got it wrong. Civil war is a war between political factions of the same nation who fight for ideology. Wars between different ethnii are wars of liberation...

[Shah-Jehan]

Same with Greeks, Lol. Besides it says most of them "left" here. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide#Expulsion_from_the_Caucasus_to _the_Ottoman_Empire

They were forcefully deported and most of them died in the process...Think about it this way, today, there's an independent Armenia but, is there an independent Circassian state?

[orangepulp]

Yeah okay, so the Circassian genocide wasn't actually a genocide since it was part of a war? And what about the Greek genocide which happened before Greece went to war with the Turks in WW1? :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
At the time of the so-called events it was world war, Ottoman Empire's downfall and annonymous governments threatned by Ottoman Empire for centuries provoking ethinc minorities to revolt against the government. Before this time Armenians were know as "milleti sadika" meaning "trust worthy people". Armenians had good relationship with Ottomans and indeed many Armenians were appointed in key positions of the government. We do not deny the casualties of what the Armenians went through but we deny it being a called an intentional genocide. Turkish people likewise faced many casualties.

[StonyArabia]

The Kuban Cossacks had no mercy on the Circassians at all. To say it's not a genocide is quite insulting.

[Kiyant]

Funny how you accuse others of genocide what happened to the majority of Balkan and caucasus Turks where are they?
Did they just dissapear?

[Petros Houhoulis]

Yeah no one mentions the Circassian genocide, and guess why my dear?

Because there were no Circassians left to protest? Probably because the Circassians are just too stupid to care about human rights... The whole concept of human rights is a western idea, which has never taken roots among Adyghe people or their Turk hosts... So, how could they protest for something they cannot possibly grasp?

[Kiyant]

Because there were no Circassians left to protest? Probably because the Circassians are just too stupid to care about human rights... The whole concept of human rights is a western idea, which has never taken roots among Adyghe people or their Turk hosts... So, how could they protest for something they cannot possibly grasp?
funny how you guys are the first at crying all the time must be western logic........

[Petros Houhoulis]

At the time of the so-called events it was world war, Ottoman Empire's downfall and annonymous governments threatned by Ottoman Empire for centuries provoking ethinc minorities to revolt against the government. Before this time Armenians were know as "milleti sadika" meaning "trust worthy people". Armenians had good relationship with Ottomans and indeed many Armenians were appointed in key positions of the government. We do not deny the casualties of what the Armenians went through but we deny it being a called an intentional genocide. Turkish people likewise faced many casualties.

"...Anonymous governments threatened the Ottoman empire"???

Anonymous governments???

Oh, cut the crap dear. The Ottoman empire was no democracy and it was all the Young Turks' fault for failing to transform their country into a real democracy. Half of the worlds' empires collapsed with WWI, and those which were truly European like the Austro-Hungarian empire fell peacefully without genocides. Those who were experts at solving their problems by killing other people did what they knew best. The Ottoman empire had no right to exist in an era of democracy - and neither the Russian empire had such a right either...

[Petros Houhoulis]

funny how you guys are the first at crying all the time must be western logic........

Yeah, maybe we should turn like you Turks and start killing all enemies, real or perceived ones. You even managed to massacre Alevis because you considered them treasonous... Who, the Alevis, the most loyal Turks of them all!!!

[orangepulp]

Yeah, that's why you burnt more than 3.000 Kurdish villages recently. You see, it doesn't count because it was a civil war!!!

Sorry boy, but you got it wrong. Civil war is a war between political factions of the same nation who fight for ideology. Wars between different ethnii are wars of liberation...Kurd PKK are killing innocent people everyday. It is war.

Hello smarty pants, many wars are interethnic Jews vs Palestine, Turks vs Armenians. Pakistanis vs India, Scotts vs Brits etc..
People fight for expansion of land and natural resources. These people are genetically similar people that live in the same land but are seperated by ethnic identity.

[Ultra]

funny how you guys are the first at crying all the time must be western logic........
LOL? The only ones I hear about crying in media are your Turkish brethren and your religious MENA and East African Somali brothers about non-existant discrimination. If we were the ones who were always to cry all the time how come we were able to kick the Turks out of Europe then?

[Kiyant]

Arent the Turks still partly in europe and have still Asia Minor?
Also my people were also deported do you see me crying all the time to accept it?

[Petros Houhoulis]

Funny how you accuse others of genocide what happened to the majority of Balkan and caucasus Turks where are they?
Did they just dissapear?

They were EXCHANGED (at least in the case of Greece) when the Turks begun butchering the Greeks in Turkey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey


The 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey (Greek: Ἡ Ἀνταλλαγή, Turkish: Mübadele) was based upon religious identity, and involved the Greek Orthodox citizens of Turkey and the Muslim citizens of Greece. It was a major compulsory population exchange, or agreed mutual expulsion.
The "Convention Concerning the Exchange of Greek and Turkish Populations" was signed at Lausanne, Switzerland, on 30 January 1923, by the governments of Greece and Turkey. It involved approximately 2 million people (around 1.5 million Anatolian Greeks and 500,000 Muslims in Greece), most of whom were forcibly made refugees and de jure denaturalized from their homelands.
By January 1923, the vast majority of Asia Minor Greeks and Pontic Greeks had already been driven away violently during the recent Greco-Turkish War; nonetheless, they were taken into account in the convention. According to calculations, during the autumn of 1922, around 900,000 Orthodox refugees had arrived in Greece (including 50,000 Armenians).[1]

Can you tell me why the Turks of Greece were not also "been driven away violently" like the many Christian minorities of Turkey? Couldn't we just chase you to death? Why did the Greek government allow no less than 19 Turks as members of the Greek parliament up to the population exchanges, and why didn't the Muslims of Greece ever rebel in peace time against Greece, like many minorities (of all religions) rebelled against Ottoman rule all of the time?

WHY?

Maybe because Greece was civilized and the Ottoman empire/Turkey still has issues???

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Funny how you accuse others of genocide what happened to the majority of Balkan and caucasus Turks where are they?
Did they just dissapear?

They moved to Turkey. Just as many Greeks living in what is now modern day Turkey moved to Greece when shit got realz. I thought it was well known that many people living in Turkey today have ancestry from Muslims who left the Balkans.

[Shah-Jehan]

They were EXCHANGED (at least in the case of Greece) when the Turks begun butchering the Greeks in Turkey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey



Can you tell me why the Turks of Greece were not also "been driven away violently" like the many Christian minorities of Turkey? Couldn't we just chase you to death? Why did the Greek government allow no less than 19 Turks as members of the Greek parliament up to the population exchanges, and why didn't the Muslims of Greece ever rebel in peace time against Greece, like many minorities (of all religions) rebelled against Ottoman rule all of the time?

WHY?

Maybe because Greece was civilized and the Ottoman empire/Turkey still has issues???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks

[Kiyant]

I spoke about your other christian brothers or do you think the turks from serbia just dissapeared?
Also in Greece were also massacres on Turks

[Kiyant]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks
Those numbers are wrong not 115.000 were deported it were 165.000 and from them 90.000 died.....

[Petros Houhoulis]

Kurd PKK are killing innocent people everyday. It is war.

Hello smarty pants, many wars are interethnic Jews vs Palestine, Turks vs Armenians. Pakistanis vs India, Scotts vs Brits etc..
People fight for expansion of land and natural resources. These people are genetically similar people that live in the same land but are seperated by ethnic identity.

It is not just war. It is the failure of the Turkish government at DEMOCRACY. How many countries do you know where a party cannot get any representative elected if they do not exceed 10%??? HELLO! THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY, THIS IS A VILE WAY OF DENYING THE KURDS OF HAVING THEIR OWN POLITICAL PARTY IN THE TURKISH PARLIAMENT. Weren't the Turks those who jailed a Kurd member of Parliament, Leila Zana, because she said in Kurdish that Turks and Kurds should live in peace side by side? Do you know that the Turk members of Parliament in Greece are doing that too, and nobody gives a shit? We don't even recognize them to be Turks and there is little you can do about it... Because WE DON'T JAIL THEM FOR WHAT THEY SAY...

[Ultra]

Arent the Turks still partly in europe and have still Asia Minor?
Yes, to some extent it's true. Some have stayed but most have still been brought in back after they were kicked out, though, and to nations where they have ever had no homeland ever in history either.

Also my people were also deported do you see me crying all the time to accept it?
Yes you like to bring it up quite often actually.

[Kiyant]

It is not just war. It is the failure of the Turkish government at DEMOCRACY. How many countries do you know where a party cannot get any representative elected if they do not exceed 10%??? HELLO! THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY, THIS IS A VILE WAY OF DENYING THE KURDS OF HAVING THEIR OWN POLITICAL PARTY IN THE TURKISH PARLIAMENT. Weren't the Turks those who jailed a Kurd member of Parliament, Leila Zana, because she said in Kurdish that Turks and Kurds should live in peace side by side? Do you know that the Turk members of Parliament in Greece are doing that too, and nobody gives a shit? We don't even recognize them to be Turks and there is little you can do about it... Because WE DON'T JAIL THEM FOR WHAT THEY SAY...
Official languages of the Turkish republics are Turkish,Greek,Armenian and Hebrew she spoke in court a not official language as a member of the parliament so she crossed the law.

[Petros Houhoulis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meskhetian_Turks

Blame the Russians who were no better than you in this game.

Anyway, if you really want to find a genocide of Turks in Greece, the 30.000 Turks of the Peloponesse were massacred by the Greeks during the Greek war of independence at 1821. This was even before we had a country, but as soon as we acquired one, we managed to become MORE DEMOCRATIC and MORE CIVILIZED than the Turks within a few years... While those Turks are still struggling to have a proper democracy even today...

[Kiyant]

Yes, to some extent it's true. Some have stayed but most have still been brought in back after they were kicked out, though, and to nations where they have ever had no homeland ever in history either.

Yes you like to bring it up quite often actually.

There is a difference in saying i got deported and in crying i got genocided by soviets.
Also i dont give the soviet union the fault i give it Stalin not like Armenians and others who demonise all people who disagree with them.

[Shah-Jehan]

Blame the Russians who were no better than you in this game.

Anyway, if you really want to find a genocide of Turks in Greece, the 30.000 Turks of the Peloponesse were massacred by the Greeks during the Greek war of independence at 1821. This was even before we had a country, but as soon as we acquired one, we managed to become MORE DEMOCRATIC and MORE CIVILIZED than the Turks within a few years... While those Turks are still struggling to have a proper democracy even today...

Turkish republic was created in 1923...No nation is perfect as Greece...

[Petros Houhoulis]

I spoke about your other christian brothers or do you think the turks from serbia just dissapeared?
Also in Greece were also massacres on Turks

Well, it seems that they didn't take your lessons at building skull towers very well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Tower


After the retreat of the Serbian rebel army, the Turkish commander of Niš, Hursid Pasha, ordered that the heads of the killed Serbs were to be mounted on a tower to serve as a warning to whoever opposed the Ottoman Empire. In all, 952 skulls were included, with the skull of Sinđelić placed at the top. The scalps from the skulls were stuffed with cotton and sent to Constantinople (modern Istanbul) as proof for Sultan Mahmud II.

Who can blame them if they decided to empty the skulls of the Turks in Serbia? They simply reciprocated your savagery.

I really wonder, why did you have to massacre people on every occasion and with every possible way around? So many empires fell apart one way or another, few led to so much bloodshed as the Ottoman empire. Aren't you ashamed than when the East Roman (a.k.a. Byzantine) empire collapsed, there was virtually no genocide to speak of by the Romans upon other people? They were not Democratic, but they were Civilized. Even today though, you are neither Democratic nor Civilized...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Official languages of the Turkish republics are Turkish,Greek,Armenian and Hebrew she spoke in court a not official language as a member of the parliament so she crossed the law.

Oh really? She crossed the law? What did she do? Did she kill any Turk soldier? Did she mug anybody? She simply SPOKE you GOON. Haven't you ever heard of the FREEDOM OF SPEECH? She didn't even make any hate statement or whatever, she simply wished for peace... And what happened eventually? You were forced to allow Kurdish TV and Kurdish education, INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE ARRESTED FOR SPEAKING AND TURKISH SOLDIERS KILLED FOR NOTHING.

You are not very smart people, are you?

[Petros Houhoulis]

Turkish republic was created in 1923...No nation is perfect as Greece...

Greece was never a perfect nation, but no Nation was more bloody than the Turks. Everybody knows it...

[Petros Houhoulis]

There is a difference in saying i got deported and in crying i got genocided by soviets.
Also i dont give the soviet union the fault i give it Stalin not like Armenians and others who demonise all people who disagree with them.

Actually you people cooperated with Stalin at the very beginning and the most of these genocides like the Circassian genocide took place BEFORE Stalin or the Soviets... But hey... We are talking with a Turk here...

[Shah-Jehan]

Greece was never a perfect nation, but no Nation was more bloody than the Turks. Everybody knows it...
Oh really?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1770
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

These are artificially created famines because food sources from Bengal were taken to distribute in Europe including Greece...

The British also did a lot of other stuff like this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_Massacre

So are they savages now?

[StonyArabia]

Because there were no Circassians left to protest? Probably because the Circassians are just too stupid to care about human rights... The whole concept of human rights is a western idea, which has never taken roots among Adyghe people or their Turk hosts... So, how could they protest for something they cannot possibly grasp?

The fact shows you don't know anything about the Circassians. The Circassians have protested and continue to protest especially at Sochi, and no they never forget the event of May 21, 1864 when their population was decimated by the Kuban Cossacks who came from Ukraine. Even today the protest and call for recognition continues. They know what human rights are, the only reason it's not widely known because Circassians don't have the economic and political power to lobby for it, however Russians, Turkish, Georgian and even British archives shows what happened.

[armenianbodyhair]

Cause it's not a genodie if you're a Muslim.

What a stupid thing to say.

[Shah-Jehan]

What a stupid thing to say.

It was sarcasm...

[armenianbodyhair]

It wasn't part of a war...it had been done long after the Circassian lands were ceased...
Whether or not Genocide was committed during a war has no bearing on it being a Genocide.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Oh really?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1770
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

These are artificially created famines because food sources from Bengal were taken to distribute in Europe including Greece...

The British also did a lot of other stuff like this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_Massacre

So are they savages now?

Look, the Brits were shit too, but they ruled the 1/4 of the planet back then. While ruling a few hundreds of million people a genocide of a million souls is near to nothing, but while ruling 40 million people, the genocide of several millions of them is serious. Overall, despite the Irish potato famines and Cullonden and all sorts of British genocides, the Turks were more genocidal than the Brits. Furthermore, the Brits have done a lot of good things for Humanity, whereas the Turks have done almost no good at all...

[Petros Houhoulis]

The fact shows you don't know anything about the Circassians. The Circassians have protested and continue to protest especially at Sochi, and no they never forget the event of May 21, 1864 when their population was decimated by the Kuban Cossacks who came from Ukraine. Even today the protest and call for recognition continues. They know what human rights are, the only reason it's not widely known because Circassians don't have the economic and political power to lobby for it, however Russians, Turkish, Georgian and even British archives shows what happened.

The Armenians are not exactly the political powerhouse with the billions spent to lobby the white house either, and yet their voice is way stronger than yours. The truth is that the Armenians are lobbying in the West where human rights are taken seriously, while the Adygheans are lobbying in places where the reaction to the phrase "They killed us" is "Who are they? Let's go kill them too"!!!

That's why nobody knows of you... Except for wikipedia of course...

[RussiaPrussia]

Yeah no one mentions the Circassian genocide, and guess why my dear?

ever heard of mongolian genocide?

[Equilibrium]

Greece was never a perfect nation, but no Nation was more bloody than the Turks. Everybody knows it...

lol childish hyperbole of Greek magnitude. And since when is a system of two families (Papandreous and Karamanlis) controlling a country like in the case of Greece called democracy? :rolleyes:

[King Claus]

Dead, dead, dead, all DEAD!!! !! !

[orangepulp]

It is not just war. It is the failure of the Turkish government at DEMOCRACY. How many countries do you know where a party cannot get any representative elected if they do not exceed 10%??? HELLO! THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY, THIS IS A VILE WAY OF DENYING THE KURDS OF HAVING THEIR OWN POLITICAL PARTY IN THE TURKISH PARLIAMENT. Weren't the Turks those who jailed a Kurd member of Parliament, Leila Zana, because she said in Kurdish that Turks and Kurds should live in peace side by side? Do you know that the Turk members of Parliament in Greece are doing that too, and nobody gives a shit? We don't even recognize them to be Turks and there is little you can do about it... Because WE DON'T JAIL THEM FOR WHAT THEY SAY...

She was not jailed cause she spoke in Kurdish that Turks and Kurds should live side by side, she was imprisoned for being apart of a terrorist orginization. Get your facts straight.


"...Anonymous governments threatened the Ottoman empire"???

Anonymous governments???

Oh, cut the crap dear. The Ottoman empire was no democracy and it was all the Young Turks' fault for failing to transform their country into a real democracy. Half of the worlds' empires collapsed with WWI, and those which were truly European like the Austro-Hungarian empire fell peacefully without genocides. Those who were experts at solving their problems by killing other people did what they knew best. The Ottoman empire had no right to exist in an era of democracy - and neither the Russian empire had such a right either...

Don't compare those small empires with a 600 year old empire that stretched into 3 continents. Muslim Ottoman was a threat to Europes existance. These anonymous figures started nationalistic movements that caused rebellion, even Arabs sided with Brits and rebelled against Ottoman thinking the British will grant them Independence but after Arabs separation from Ottoman Arabs never seen peace and have been dieing everyday.

[Petros Houhoulis]

lol childish hyperbole of Greek magnitude. And since when is a system of two families (Papandreous and Karamanlis) controlling a country like in the case of Greece called democracy? :rolleyes:

Since the idiots who vote manage to maintain them in power, unlike the Turks where the army would overthrow whomever they saw fit... This is not unusual. Political dynasties exist in many democratic countries. The U.S. of A. has the Bushes for example...

Greece has been a democracy for a long time. Turkey is still struggling with the concept...

[armenianbodyhair]

Dead, dead, dead, all DEAD!!! !! !

Yes we should just let them buy each other instead of digging it up and beating this dead horse over and over again.

[Petros Houhoulis]

She was not jailed cause she spoke in Kurdish that Turks and Kurds should live side by side, she was imprisoned for being apart of a terrorist orginization. Get your facts straight.

...And the proof that she was part of a terrorist organization was that she was caught planting bombs or shooting Turks, or that she spoke Kurdish? Well... These are the facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyla_Zana


Although Zana's parliamentary immunity protected her, after she joined the Democracy Party, that party was banned and her immunity was stripped. In December 1994, along with four other Democracy Party MPs (Hatip Dicle, Selim Sadak and Orhan Dogan), she was arrested and charged with treason and membership in the armed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). The treason charges were not put before the court, and Zana denied PKK affiliation; but with the prosecution relying on witness statements allegedly obtained under torture,[4] Zana and the others were sentenced to 15 years in prison. At her sentencing, she asserted,
This is a conspiracy. What I am defending is perfectly clear. I don’t accept any of these accusations. And, if they were true I’d assume responsibility for them, even if it cost me my life. I have defended democracy, human rights, and brotherhood between peoples. And I’ll keep doing so for as long as I live.[3]

This is why I do not trust Turkish justice. They have burnt more than 3.000 Kurdish villages and yet they accuse the Kurds for being traitors by securing witness statements obtained under torture... And they expect us to take them seriously...




Don't compare those small empires with a 600 year old empire that stretched into 3 continents.

Which empire was the small one compared to the Ottoman empire? The Austro-Hungarian empire, the Russian empire or the British empire? Can you please stop masturbating?


Muslim Ottoman was a threat to Europes existance. These anonymous figures started nationalistic movements that caused rebellion, even Arabs sided with Brits and rebelled against Ottoman thinking the British will grant them Independence but after Arabs separation from Ottoman Arabs never seen peace and have been dieing everyday.

Maybe the Arabs rebelled because the Ottomans didn't treat them well, and yes, eventually the Sykes-Pikot agreement collapsed and the Arab nations gained their independence not long after WWI...

...And no, the European empires were trying to save themselves and all other empires including the Ottoman empire. You got it 1000% wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_alliance


The Holy Alliance (German: Heilige Allianz; Russian: Священный союз, Svyashchennyy soyuz; also called the Grand Alliance) was a coalition created by the monarchist great powers of Russia, Austria and Prussia. It was created after the ultimate defeat of Napoleon at the behest of Czar Alexander I of Russia and signed in Paris on 26 September 1815.[1]

Ostensibly, the alliance was formed to instill the divine right of kings and Christian values in European political life, as pursued by the Tsar under the influence of his adviser Baroness Barbara von Krüdener. About three months after the Final Act of the Vienna Congress, the monarchs of Orthodox (Russia), Catholic (Austria) and Protestant (Prussia) confession promised to act on the basis of "justice, love and peace", both in internal and foreign affairs, in order to "perpetuate the mundane institutions and adjust their imperfection".
Despite this noble wording, the Alliance was not only rejected as non-effective by the United Kingdom (though George IV declared consent in his capacity as King of Hanover), but also by the Papal States and the Islamic Ottoman Empire.

In practice, the Austrian state chancellor Prince Klemens von Metternich made it a bastion against democracy, revolution, and secularism. The monarchs of the three countries involved used this to band together in order to prevent revolutionary influence (especially from the French Revolution) from entering these nations.
The Alliance is usually associated with the later Quadruple and Quintuple Alliances, which included the United Kingdom and (from 1818) France with the aim of upholding the European peace settlement and balance of power in the Concert of Europe concluded at the Congress of Vienna. On 29 September 1818, the Tsar, Emperor Francis I of Austria and King Frederick William III of Prussia met with the Duke of Wellington, Viscount Castlereagh and the Duc de Richelieu at the Congress of Aix-la-Chapelle to demand stern measures against university "demagogues", which would realize in the Carlsbad Decrees in the following year. At the 1820 Congress of Troppau and the succeeding Congress of Laibach, Metternich tried to align his allies in the suppression of the Carbonari revolt against King Ferdinand I of the Two Sicilies. The Quintuple Alliance met for the last time at the 1822 Congress of Verona to strive against the Greek Revolution and to resolve upon the French Invasion into Spain.
The last meetings had revealed the rising antagonism with Britain and France, especially on Italian unification, the right to self-determination and the Eastern Question. The Alliance was conventionally taken to have become defunct with Alexander's death in 1825. France ultimatively went separate ways after the July Revolution of 1830, leaving the core of Russia, Austria and Prussia as Central-Eastern European block which once again congregated to suppress the Revolutions of 1848. The Austro-Russian alliance finally broke up in the Crimean War: though Russia had helped to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1848, Austria did not take any action to support his ally, declared herself neutral and even occupied the Wallachian and Moldavian lands on the Danube upon the Russian retreat in 1854. Thereafter, Austria remained isolated, which added to the loss of her leading role in the German lands, culminating in the defeat of the Austro-Prussian War in 1866.

[Kiyant]

"Kurds have three leaders, namely Massoud Barzani, Celal Talebanî and Abdullah Ocalan."[6] Massoud Barzani is the president of the Kurdistan federal region in Iraq, Celal Talabani is the ethnic Kurdish president of Iraq, and Abdullah Ocalan is the imprisoned Kurdish leader of PKK in Turkey.
She had no tie to PKK yes.............
If you as a parliament member says things like that you must know what happens.

[Petros Houhoulis]

"Kurds have three leaders, namely Massoud Barzani, Celal Talebanî and Abdullah Ocalan."[6] Massoud Barzani is the president of the Kurdistan federal region in Iraq, Celal Talabani is the ethnic Kurdish president of Iraq, and Abdullah Ocalan is the imprisoned Kurdish leader of PKK in Turkey.
She had no tie to PKK yes.............
If you as a parliament member says things like that you must know what happens.

Trouble is... She made that quote much more recently, in April 2008, and she received further prison sentences for that speech. Her original conviction was at 1994. Maybe she was pushed to become a PKK affiliate over time, especially AFTER you put her to prison for her original speech. In any case, you Turks are pretty good at turning all Kurds into PKK affiliates. Burning more than 3.000 Kurdish villages had its' effect after all...

[alb0zfinest]

What's the point of denying it? For one, most of the world knows what actually happened. Two, it's not like you are going to have to pay for the damage done. Three, the least you could do for all those murdered people is recognize that they were actually killed. At least you accept it was a shameful part of Turkish history and that's much more admirable. You can also move relations forward with certain countries once this issue is behind you. For instance France who recognizes The Armenian genocide and you've had problems with France because of that.

Don't be like the Serbs.

[Mehmet]

Armenians have been deported, not massacred.
It's sad, among Christian elements within the Empire along with Greeks they had the best positions.
Russians gave them some drugs and made them dream fantastically. Actually they dreamt of ethnically purify the entire Eastern Anatolian region as far as reaching Med sea, Black sea and Caspian sea.
Starting from 1860's they started their campaign, after the unlucky Greek example of 1820's.
They were butchering, raping, pillaging Turkish, Kurdish and Circassian (so, Muslim) villages.
Turks have been patient and forgiving despite all this.
For more than 50 years.

During WW1 the Armenians thought the right time came and uprose again, with barbaric and bloody methods.
The Ottomans were still forgiving.

The turning point has been the Young Turk revolution.
These guys weren't that much religious, they were deeply embedded by French materialism and Prussian-style ethnic nationalism. So being forgiving was a weakness according to these people. Note that Mustafa Kemal also comes from this same generation and background.
The last stroke that broke the camel's back was the freezing of tens of thousands Turks in a failed operation, during winter, against Czar's Russian troops in North-Eastern Anatolia.
Armenians were operating for Russians behind Turkish lines...
And Young Turk regime didn't forgive them. They got mad and drove Armenian population out of Anatolia.
They have been collectively deported to Syria, Lebanon etc..
In fact Communist revolution in Russia saved Turks.

It would have been a lot better if all these events never happened.
Turkey has lost a lot of its diversity. The multicultural, multi-ethnic aspects of Turkey lost a lot.

Anyway, don't forget that it wasn't a genocide against Armenians.
2 million Greeks were living right at that time in Turkey. Sometimes in the same cities as Armenians.
But no Greek has been deported.
Think of it: why?
Not because their girls were nicer than the yours.

[Armenian Bishop]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTnCaW-Uo_s

The 1919 film "Ravished Armenia," or "Auction of Souls," is a documentary film about the Armenian Genocide. It used Armenian Genocide Survivor Aurora Mardiganian's eye witness accounts of her personal traumatic experiences to place her as a centerpiece in the story of the film.

[Philo]

A horrible tragedy.

[YeshAtid]

A crime against humanity

[armenianbodyhair]

Guapo makes the best threads

[Elms]

Problem with Armenians is that they love to whine about something that happened a century ago and like little children expect an appology from people who were not even alive at the time of the so-called events. They like to look at the story one sided and never mention the casualties they caused or the innocent people they killed. And the hypocrisy of some of the western states that support the Armenian cause and criticize Turks while they forgot the genocides they performed on Jews, native Americans and other ethnic minorities is not mentioned.

The genocides are not forgotten and are taught heavily in school. When Columbus Day comes around every thinks genocidal maniac, not the man who discovered the America's. Don't even get me started on how much we talk about the Holocaust.

Turks don't recognize what they did and make excuses for it.

[Elms]

The genocides started before WWI.

Diyarbakir Massacre:


Massacres of Diyarbakir were massacres took place in the Diyarbekir Vilayet of the Ottoman Empire between the years of 1894-1896. The events were part of the Hamidian massacres which targeted the region's Christian population: Armenians and Assyrians.


The massacres initially targeted the Armenians instigated by Ottoman politicians and clerics under the pretext of their desire to dismantle the state, but they soon changed to a general anti-Christians pogroms as they moved to the Diyarbekir Vilayet and surrounding areas of Tur Abdin, which was inhabited by Assyrian/Syriac Christians. Contemporary accounts put the total number of Assyrians killed between 1894-1896 at around 25,000.


Kurdish raids on villages in the Diyarbekir Vilayet intensified in the years following a famine that ravaged the region. This was followed by fierce battles between Kurds and Shammar Arabs. In August 1888, Kurdish Aghas led attacks on Assyrian villages in Tur Abdin killing 18. Requests for an investigation by Patriarch Ignatius Peter IV went unanswered by the Porte.[2] Another Kurdish raid in October 1889 targeted several Assyrian/Syriac villages during which 40 villagers including women and children were killed.[3] These events were the first signs of the massacres that would characterise the Diyarbekir Vilayet for the following decade.[4]
The Hamidian massacres came when some 4,000 Armenians in the Sasun district of Bitlis Vilayet in 1894 rebelled against Kurdish nomadic tribes, who demanded traditional taxes from them. Local authorities reported this to the Sultan as a major revolt. The Sultan responded by sending the Ottoman army supported by the Hamidiye cavalry and local Kurdish tribes. After clashing with the Armenian rebels, the Kurds descended upon Armenian villages in the regions of Sasun (Sassoun) and Talori, between Muş and Silvan, massacring its inhabitants and burning several Christian villages. More than 7,500 Armenians died as a result,[5] and an intervention by European powers lead to the dismissal of the Governor of Bitlis, Bahri Paşa, in January 1895.[6] Three European Powers - Britain, France and Russia - thinking that reform of the Ottoman local government would help to prevent violence as occurred in Sasun, proposed to Sultan Abdul Hamid II a reform plan, planning control of the Kurds and the employment of Christian assistant-governors. The Sultan was unwilling to yield to the desires of the Powers. During the Spring and Summer of 1895 months of unfruitful negotiations passed. After a demonstration in Constantinople on September 30, 1895, organised by the Armenian Hunchakian Party to ask for speedy enactment of the reforms, Christian neighbourhoods in the city were attacked by angry Muslim mobs and the city descended into chaos. The massacre in Constantinople was followed by more Muslim-Armenian conflict in other areas, usually costing the lives of much more Christians than Muslims. Western pressure on the Sultan increased, and he eventually gave up to their demands a Firman of the reforms was issued in October 1895.[7]
In retrospect, the announcement of the reforms only further exited the already heated atmosphere in the Ottoman Empire. As news of clashes and massacres spread throughout the empire Diyarbekir as well took its share, with Muslim-Christian distrust reaching unprecedented levels.[5] Generally Muslims had a distorted view of what the European inspired reforms would mean. Muslims, also in Diyarbekir, thought that an Armenian Kingdom was about to be created under protection of European Powers and the end of Islamic rule was imminent. Muslim civilians bought large amounts of weapons and ammunition. The influential Kurdish Sheikh of Zilan, who played an important role in the massacres of Armenians in Sasun and Mush in the previous year, was present in the city inciting the Muslims against Christians.[8][9] It was rumoured that Kurdish tribal leaders outside the town had promised to send 10,000 Kurdish fighters to avenge themselves.[8] Muslim notables in Diyarbekir, who had lost their trust in the Sultan, telegraphed him that:[7]
Armenia was conquered with blood, it will only be yielded with blood.

[Rojava]

As an ethnic Kurd, I sincerly apologize for the destruction and chaos my ancestors have caused. The Kurds at the time were blinded with Islam and Allah, things that don't exist. They were ordered to kill in the name of Allah, a fictional creature. After all, I could be a Kurdified Assyrian or Armenian, either way I don't care about race or nationalism much any more. Armenians and Assyrians are my brothers and sisters. It's time we revive ASALA.

[gregorius]

I think this thread should be locked, this would do no good.

[Dengizik]

I think this thread should be locked, this would do no good.

Quoted for truth.

[Armenian Bishop]

The Life of Aurora Mardiganian, and the Creation of the Film, "Ravished Armenia" or "Auction of Souls." Quoted from Aurora Mardiganian Wikipedia Article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_Mardiganian

"Aurora Mardiganian was the daughter of a prosperous Armenian family living in Chmshgatsak (Çemişgezek), twenty miles north of Harput, Ottoman Turkey. Witnessing the deaths of her family members and being forced to march over 1,400 miles, during which she was kidnapped and sold into the slave markets of Anatolia, Mardiganian escaped to Tiflis (modern Tbilisi, Georgia), then to St. Petersburg, from where she traveled to Oslo and finally, with the help of Near East Relief, to New York."

"In New York, she was approached by Harvey Gates, a young screenwriter, who helped her write and publish a narrative that is often described as a memoir titled Ravished Armenia (full title Ravished Armenia; the Story of Aurora Mardiganian, the Christian Girl, Who Survived the Great Massacres (1918)."

"The narrative Ravished Armenia was used for writing a film script that was produced in 1919, Mardiganian playing herself, and first screened in London as the Auction of Souls. The first New York performance of the silent film, entitled Ravished Armenia took place on February 16, 1919, in the ballroom of the Plaza Hotel, with society leaders, Mrs. Oliver Harriman and Mrs. George W. Vanderbilt, serving as co-hostesses on behalf of the American Committee for Armenian and Syrian Relief."

"Mardiganian was referred to in the press as the Joan of Arc of Armenia, describing her role as the spokesperson for the victims of the horrors that were then taking place in Turkey and the catalyst for the humanist movement in America. In the 1920s, Mardiganian married and lived in Los Angeles until her death on February 6, 1994."

[gregorius]

shah jehan stop thumbing me up, I cant stand you.

[Kiyant]

shah jehan stop thumbing me up, I cant stand you.

What happened between you?

[gregorius]

What happened between you?

nohting I just cant stand the guy ;),

[Kiyant]

nohting I just cant stand the guy ;),

About what you said that this should be closed.
I will let this Thread open.Because its a good memory of Guapo and my little argument.

[Busra-TURK]

Armenian genocide?
you are just poor brainwashed people!
we have invited you before many times to our country,Türkiye to discuss about the genocide and we have even accepted to open the Ottoman archives so that we could prove that no purposeful armenian genocide had happened in our history. but you always escape, you just keep saying that Turks made the genocide but you do nothing to prove it!!!
just look at your own bloody history, what did you do in Karabagh?!?!?!?!
we know very well how cruelly the armenians slaughtered thousands of people in Erzurum and in other eastern cities of ours!
you were deceited by the russians, they used you as baby dolls by telling you that they were going to create a big and independent armenian state for you, you believed in them and you lost in the end! dont blame us for your idiotic choices, you deserved everything...
if we made a genocide, no armenian would be alive now ;-)
history will never forgive the liars!
read the history first!

[Rojava]

Armenian genocide?
you are just poor brainwashed people!
we have invited you before many times to our country,Türkiye to discuss about the genocide and we have even accepted to open the Ottoman archives so that we could prove that no purposeful armenian genocide had happened in our history. but you always escape, you just keep saying that Turks made the genocide but you do nothing to prove it!!!
just look at your own bloody history, what did you do in Karabagh?!?!?!?!
we know very well how cruelly the armenians slaughtered thousands of people in Erzurum and in other eastern cities of ours!
you were deceited by the russians, they used you as baby dolls by telling you that they were going to create a big and independent armenian state for you, you believed in them and you lost in the end! dont blame us for your idiotic choices, you deserved everything...
if we made a genocide, no armenian would be alive now ;-)
history will never forgive the liars!
read the history first!

You must be Ataturk's daughter lol.

You did exaggarate a bit but it is true, the Armenian genocide was a reaction to what the Armenians did to Muslims in Eastern Anatolia, under the direct orders of the Sultan. But the reaction was much worst than what the Armenians did.

And history was written by the victors.

[Kiyant]

You must be Ataturk's daughter lol.

You did exaggarate a bit but it is true, the Armenian genocide was a reaction to what the Armenians did to people im Eastern Anatolia, under the direct orders of the Sultan. But the reaction was much worst and bigger than what the Armenians did.

LOL now the sultan said hey guys kill all the muslim people in eastern anatolia because im retarded.

[Rojava]

LOL now the sultan said hey guys kill all the muslim people in eastern anatolia because im retarded.

Re read what I wrote, you misunderstood. n00b

[Armenian Bishop]

You must be Ataturk's daughter lol.

You did exaggarate a bit but it is true, the Armenian genocide was a reaction to what the Armenians did to Muslims in Eastern Anatolia, under the direct orders of the Sultan. But the reaction was much worst than what the Armenians did.

And history was written by the victors.

The Armenian Genocide Wasn't a reaction to anything that Armenians may have done against Muslims, in The Armenian Highlands and Levant (Eastern Anatolia), because Armenians didn't do anything unprovoked against those Muslims; on the contrary, any isolated incidents that Armenians might have done would have been a reaction to what Muslims did, including widespread premeditated acts of ethnic cleansing and genocide, planned by figureheads in the Newly formed Turkish Republic, as well as the Ottoman Empire. Premeditated acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing, such as The Hamidian Massacres (1895-1896), The Adana Massacre (1909), and The Armenian Genocide (1915-1923), were planned and organized by Turkish Officials for the destruction of Armenian Civilization and Culture, as well as the complete obliteration of the Armenian Civilian Population in their indigenous homeland.

[Petros Houhoulis]

LOL now the sultan said hey guys kill all the muslim people in eastern anatolia because im retarded.

You have some comprehension problems, don't you? You think that what Κυαξάρης (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?8373-%CE%9A%CF%85%CE%B1%CE%BE%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B7%CF%82) said was that the Armenians attacked the Muslims on the orders of the Sultan?

[Petros Houhoulis]

The Armenian Genocide Wasn't a reaction to anything that Armenians may have done against Muslims, in The Armenian Highlands and Levant (Eastern Anatolia), because Armenians didn't do anything unprovoked against those Muslims; on the contrary, any isolated incidents that Armenians might have done would have been a reaction to what Muslims did, including widespread premeditated acts of ethnic cleansing and genocide, planned by figureheads in the Newly formed Turkish Republic, as well as the Ottoman Empire. Premeditated acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing, such as The Hamidian Massacres (1895-1896), The Adana Massacre (1909), and The Armenian Genocide (1915-1923), were planned and organized by Turkish Officials for the destruction of Armenian Civilization and Culture, as well as the complete obliteration of the Armenian Civilian Population in their indigenous homeland.

Well, it doesn't need much to agitate the Turks, even nowadays...

[DarkSecret]

http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/2/56768/0/1/ermenistan-askerleri-turk-ve-azeri-bayrakli-tuglalari-kirdi.aspx

Armenian soldiers are breaking Turkish and Azeri flag bricks for motivation? LoL

[Musso]

http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/2/56768/0/1/ermenistan-askerleri-turk-ve-azeri-bayrakli-tuglalari-kirdi.aspx

Armenian soldiers are breaking Turkish and Azeri flag bricks for motivation? LoL

Nice video :cool:

[machine_head]

armenian genocide is an imperialist lie. armed armenian guerillas murdered 2 million turks and tatars in anatolia and caucasus between 1910-1922. it has been proven with original archive evidence.

* 1828-29 ottoman russian war was the first date of armenians attacking to turks in eastern anatolia. when crimea war was still going on in 1854, the armenians of zeitun region which is part of kahramanmaras province of turkey today, started a massive rebellion. armenians living in mountainous zeitun region, were pillaging and terrorizing in formation of gangs. but there was more to come.

* in 1872, armenians of van province wrote a letter to the tsar and demanded to get annexed to russia. this date was also the first period of armenians beginning to stock weapons and ammunition. these weapons were later used to massacre the turk civilian population during the turk-russian war in 1877.

* step by step, armenian churches became arm depots, every priest became a gang member, every monastery became a source to recruit terrorists. dashnak and hinchak organizations became more powerful by using this environment. history probably never recorded a religious institution getting involved to massacre, rape, pillage and torture in such large proportion before.

* russians that organized and armed the armenians had the main responsibility for the turk genocide in eastern anatolia. but other imperialist forces also did everything possible to manipulate a barbarian bunch such as armenians who were ready to get used. the first tool for that was missionaries. today, the reason of some armenians being catholic and some being protestant is the result of activities of french and american missionaries.

* armenians even claim today that they were unarmed. but the reports written by the officers of imperialists in the region prove the opposite. british ambassador trotter described an armenian village in midyat region as "between arab, kurdish and circassian neighbours, it is well armed"

* furthermore, the armenian terrorist leaders that want to prove themselves and promote their talents to "westerners" talk about the armed men under their command and how they tortured turks with pride.

* during 1877-78 war, when kars, ardahan and erzurum were invaded by russians, armenian armed bandits raised the level of savagery. especialy zeitun and sason became two main headquarters for armenians and they organized their massacres from these places.

* only during the rebellion organized by hinchaks in zeitun in 1895, 20.000 turks were killed. on the other hand, armenian terrorism was spreading around the country. in 1905, armenians attempted assasinations to major of erzurum and sultan abdulhamid II. with the constitutional era in 1908, armenians took the most advantage out of "every ottoman citizen has a right to have a weapon" law. these weapons were used during the massacres against turks between 1914-1922.

[gregorius]

:puke:, Do you really think anyone believes this crap?
Be a man hold your head high and stand for the things you did.
This kind of behaviour is low

[machine_head]

wikipedia, what a reliable source, the playground of the fascist armenian diaspora. even in their genocide museum in yerevan, there is not a single original archive document which proves the genocide fairy tale.

* you are three armenian chiefs, dro, hamazasp and kulkhandanian are the ring leaders of the bands which have destroyed the muslim villages and have staged massacres in zangezour, surmali, etchmiadzin and zangibasar.
(avetis aharonian, president delegation of the armenia in the paris peace conference, from sardarapat to sevres and lausanne, armenian review, vol 16, no 3-63, autumn, sep 1963)

* Armenians are not innocent like some people and environments accepted or ready to accept. I have documents in my disposal about the bloody acts of Armenians against Turks right now.
(Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs of England Lord Curzon, House of Lords, 11st of March, 1920)

* I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Muslim) villages that are utterly defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murdered the residents, pillaged the village and often burned the village.
(Admiral Mark Bristol, Bristol Papers, General Correspondence, Bristol to Bradley Letter, 14th of September, 1920)

* All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation.
(Hamparsum Boyaciyan nicknamed "Murad", a former Ottoman parliamentary who led Armenian guerilla forces ravaging Turkish villages behind the lines, 1914.)

* Politics followed by Dashnaks is occupying neighbour nation's lands with the help of the West and cleaning these lands from Turks and Kurds to create an Aryan pure Armenian nation.
(Bagrat Artemovitch Boryan, Armenian Statesman, Armeniya Mejdunarodnaya Diplomatiya, USSR archive, 1928.)

* In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.
(Sahak Melkonian, Preserving the Armenian Purity, 1920)

[machine_head]

more historical facts against armenian lies. . .

* We travelled all regions from Istanbul to Mardin. We didnt see any sign of Turks planning to kill Armenians. We heard all Armenians were murdered three months ago but none of what we heard was true. French wanted to take Turks under their mandate, thats why it was necessary to direct all the suspicion on Turks.
(Page 817, Document Number 548, 10th of October, 1919, by Harbord, British Foreign Policy Documents)

* I have talked to Mr Khatissian. He informed me that, they received 25.000 rifles, Armenian army has 30.000 Russian made rifles and one million bullets. When the Greek advance starts, Armenians will instantly join the attack.
(Page 629, Document Number 590, 4th of July, 1920, Amiral Sir F.De Robeck to Lord Curzon, British Foreign Policy Documents)

* I have no doubts about the will of Armenians about killing their Muslim neighbours. Armed Armenian Dashnak gangs are working with extra ordinary savagery.
(Page 907, Document Number 609, 28th of Novemvber, 1919, Mr Kitson to Sir E. Crow, British Foreign Policy Documents)

* armenian volunteer regiments motivated by ethnic hatred, viciously massacred the ottoman muslims with no exception of age and gender. burned and looted the villages.
(Czarish Russian Brigadier General Leonid Bolhovitinov's Report, 1915, Russian Military History Archives, list 1, folder 557)

* We exterminated the Turkish population in Basar-Gecar with no exception. Not to waste our bullets, the most effective method against these dogs, is to gather the ones who survived the clashes and throw them into the wells and crush them with heavy rocks. So, we did the same. We gathered all the men, women and children. I ended their lives personaly by crushing them with heavy rocks from above in the wells which they were thrown into.
(Armenian Terrorism in Dashnak Report, This document was published by Armenian-Soviet historian Lalayan, Revolyutsionniy Vostok Magazine, 2nd and 3rd edition, 1936 and History Institute of USSR Science Academy's Istroriceskie Zapiski Magazine, 2nd edition, 1938)

all from non-turkish sources and original archive facts. thats why armenian liars can not claim these are turkish fabrications.

[gregorius]

Best thing is all of these so called sorces of you come from a turkish propaganda website xD. Nice objective perspective you got there :laugh:
btw do you get paid for this? you seem to copy past everything from what you wrote on topix.com

http://www.genocidereality.com/htmlpages%5Cdoc%5CTashnaksutyun(I).htm
http://www.genocidereality.com/

[machine_head]

Biggest Photo Archive of Armenian Genocide Lie in the World. Take a look at the "innocent" genocide victims.

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hundreds of original archive pictures of armenian armed guerillas and the turkish victims of armenian terrorism with sources.

[machine_head]

the only version of history armenian liars accept is the one that was fabricated by the scholars that are on the payroll of fascist armenian diaspora. :D
they even call british and russian archives as "so-called" sources :D desperation.

[gregorius]

You fucking sick morron, these death children are armenians not turks :picard1:

http://www.dailystormer.com/european-court-denying-the-armenian-genocide-isnt-a-crime/


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh186/LDDnonstop/Armenians%201915/armenian_genocide14.jpg

[machine_head]

typical shameless armenian liar excuse, "they are not turks, they are armenians". you liars do the same when it comes to mass graves of turks that were murdered by armenian dashnaks. they even steal the pictures of turkish victims and promote them as armenian in their genocide fairy tale propaganda videos and websites.

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* Fake Illustrations Used In Armenian Genocide Allegations

http://angelsof1915.blogspot.com/2009/04/fake-illustrations-used-in-armenian.html

* A Closer Look at Armenian Photo Fakery

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/forgeries-fotos.htm

*Armenian Fabrications, Can You Believe This?

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2010/03/3037-armenian-fabrications-can-you.html

* The Original Documentation For The Hitler Quote Fabrication of Armenian Diaspora

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2007/09/1931-original-documentation-for-hitler.html

* Armenia's Genocide Forgery Should Be Legally Punished

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va-ZVLwWgfc&feature=youtube_gdata

* Forging the past, Oxford University Press and the Armenian Question
A Turkish official taunting starving Armenians with bread turned out to be a fake photo

http://angelsof1915.blogspot.com/2011/06/forging-past-oxford-university-press.html

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Population Records

* British Blue Book, 1912 - 1.056.000
* French/Armenian committee for land distribution report, 1st of March, 1914 - 1.280.000, 542.421 in Eastern Anatolia only
* Encyclopedia Britannica, 1914 - 1.500.000
* According to Toynbee, 1915 - 1.511.000

Number of Relocations

* Yusuf Halacoglu (Turkish Records) - 429.000
* Letter of Bogos Nubar to French Minister, 11st of December, 1918 - 700.000
* British Relief Needs (Memorandum), 1918 - 1.000.000

Living Armenians 1918-1922

* F. Nansen - Head of International Immigrants Committee - 1.080.000
* 1919 Paris Conference, given by Venizelos - 880.000
* British Relief Committee (Greece, Syria, Palestine, Caucasia), 750.000 + 350.000 fled to other countries - total 1.100.000
* Joined US Senate/Congress Report, 22nd of April, 1922 - 1.414.000

[machine_head]

shameless armenians promoting migrated people as dead.

[machine_head]

You fucking sick morron, these death children are armenians not turks :picard1:

http://www.dailystormer.com/european-court-denying-the-armenian-genocide-isnt-a-crime/


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh186/LDDnonstop/Armenians%201915/armenian_genocide14.jpg

good for you that you have learned how armenian fraud steal photos of the turks they killed

[Scholarios]

migrated people .

Reminds me of Jews being rumored to be "relocated to the East" in 1942-44

[Krajisnik]

Turks are sick people

[DarkSecret]

Turks are sick people

Some of you islamist Turk-haters some of you racist Turk-haters. You Bosniaks are really interesting...

[Tsubasa]

*** "In the beginning of fall 1914, when Turkey had not yet entered the war but was preparing to, Armenian volunteer groups began to be organized with great desire and pomp in Trans-Caucasia. In spite of the decision taken a few weeks before at the General Committee in Erzurum, the Dashnagtzoutiun actively helped the organization of the fore-mentioned groups and especially arming them against Turkey.
There is no point in asking today whether our volunteers should have been in the foreground. Historical events have a logic of their own. In the fall of 1914, Armenian volunteer groups were formed and fought against the Turks. The opposite could not have happened, because for approximately 20 years, the Armenian community was fed a certain and inevitable psychology. This state of mind had to manifest itself and it happened."

* it was a mistake to establish the volunteer units
* they were unconditionally allied with russia
* they massacred the muslim turk population
* the aim of armenian terrorist acts was winning the western public opinion
* british occupation aroused hopes of the dashnaks
* they were provoked by imperial sea to sea land demand
* they did not take turkey's power into consideration
* they should have used a peaceful language towards the turks but they (dashnaks) rejected the turks who suggested to negotiate with them and they preferred launching a war

We overestimated the ability of the Armenian people, its political and military power, and overestimated the extent and importance of the services our people rendered to the Russians. And by overestimating our very modest worth and merit we were naturally exaggerating our hopes and expectations.

(The 1923 Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni, Armenia's First Prime Minister, from the book, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation -Dashnak- has nothing to do anymore, published in 1955, Published by the Armenian Information Service)

why do you deny your own prime minister armenians?

[Tsubasa]

*** On April 24, 2009, Armenian Remembrance Day President Barack Obama issued a statement "remembering the 1.5 million Armenian deaths in the final days of the Ottoman Empire." The President stumbled.
To paraphrase Mark Twain, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and the number of Armenians who are claimed by Armenians and their echo chambers to have died in an alleged World War I genocide. Almost a century later, the number of deaths they assert oscillates between 1.5-2 million. But the best contemporary estimates by Armenians or their sympathizers were 300,000-750,000 (compared with 2.4 million Ottoman Muslim deaths in Anatolia). Further, not a single one of those deaths necessarily falls within the definition of genocide in the authoritative Genocide Convention of 1948. It requires proof that the accused was responsible for the physical destruction of a group in whole or in substantial part specifically because of their race, nationality, religion, or ethnicity. A political or military motivation for a death falls outside the definition.

Immediately after the war, when events and memories were fresh, Armenians had no incentive to concoct high casualty figures or genocidal motivations for their deaths. Their objective was statehood. Armenians were encouraged by the self-determination concept in President Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points, (while conveniently forgetting that they were a minority in Eastern Anatolia where they hoped to found a new nation). Armenian leaders pointed to their military contribution to defeating the Ottomans and population figures that would sustain an Armenian nation.
Boghus Nubar, then Head of the Armenian Delegation to the Paris Peace Conference (1919), wrote to the French Foreign Minister Stephen Pichon: "The Armenians have been, since the beginning of the war, de facto belligerents, as you yourself have acknowledged, since they have fought alongside the Allies on all fronts, enduring heavy sacrifices and great suffering for the sake of their unshakable attachment to the cause of the Entente...." Nubar had earlier written to the Foreign Minister on October 29, 1918, that Armenians had earned their independence: "We have fought for it. We have poured out our blood for it without stint. Our people played a gallant part in the armies that won the victory."

When their quest for statehood shipwrecked on the Treaty of Lausanne and annexation by the Soviet Union in 1921, Armenians revised their soundtrack to endorse a contrived genocide thesis. It seeks a "pound of flesh" from the Republic of Turkey in the form of recognition, reparations, and boundary changes. To make their case more convincing, Armenians hiked the number of deaths. They also altered their story line from having died as belligerents against the Turks to having perished like unarmed helpless lambs.
Vahan Vardapet, an Armenian cleric, estimated a prewar Ottoman Armenian population of 1.26 million. At the Peace Conference, Armenian leader Nubar stated that 280,000 remained in the Empire and 700,000 had emigrated elsewhere. Accepting those Armenian figures, the number of dead would be 280,000. George Montgomery of the Armenia-American Society estimated a prewar Armenian population of 1.4-1.6 million, and a casualty figure of 500,000 or less. Armenian Van Cardashian, in testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1919, placed the number of Armenian dead at 750,000, i.e., a prewar population of 1.5 million and a post-war figure of 750,000.

After statehood was lost, Armenians turned to their genocide playbook which exploited Christian bigotries and contempt for Ottoman Muslims. They remembered earlier successful anti-Ottoman propaganda. United States Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire during the war, Henry Morganthau, was openly racist and devoted to propaganda. On November 26, 1917, Morgenthau confessed in a letter to President Wilson that he intended to write a book vilifying Turks and Germans to, "win a victory for the war policy of the government." In his biography, "Ambassador Morgenthau's Story," Morgenthau betrays his racist hatred toward Turks ("humanity and civilization never for a moment enters their mind") and unconditional admiration for Armenians ("They are so superior to the Turks intellectually and morally.").

British Prime Minister Gladstone's histrionic figure of 60,000 Bulgarian Christians slaughtered in 1876 captured the imagination of the west. The true figure later provided by a British Ambassador was 3,500--including Turks who were first slain by the Christians.

From 280,000-750,000, Armenians initially raised their death count to 800,000 to test the credibility waters. It passed muster with uninformed politicians easily influenced by campaign contributions and voting clout. Armenians then jumped the number to 1.5 million, and then 1.8 million by Armenian historian Kevork Aslan. For the last decades, an Armenian majority seems to have settled on the 1.5 million death plateau which still exceeds their contemporary estimates by 200 to 500 percent.

They are now testing the waters at 2.5-3 million killed as their chances for a congressional genocide resolution recede. It speaks volumes that champions of the inflated death figures have no explanation for why Armenians on the scene would have erred. Think of the absurdity of discarding the current death count of Afghan civilians in the United States-Afghan war in favor of a number deduced in the year 2109!
Armenians have a genuine tale of woe. It largely overlaps with the tale of tragedy and suffering that can be told by Ottoman Muslims during the war years: 2.4 million deaths in Anatolia, ethnic cleansing, starvation, malnutrition, untreated epidemics, and traumatic privations of war under a decrepit and collapsing Empire.

Unskewed historical truth is the antechamber of Turkish-Armenian reconciliation. That is why the Government of Turkey has proposed an international commission of impartial and independent experts with access to all relevant archives to determine the number and characterization of World War I deaths. Armenians are balking because they are skeptical of their own figures and accusations.

(Bruce Fein, Former US President Ronald Reagen's Advisor

[Armenian Bishop]

It's better to use the link, to go directly to the news article, with some interesting photographic evidence.

http://www.armenianweekly.com/2014/07/01/mass-graves/

Armenian Mass Graves Revisited: A Photo-Essay
Armenian Weekly News Article, By Alexandra Avakian, July 1, 2014. A Special Report for the Armenian Weekly April 2014 magazine.

It began in Yerevan, while I was photographing the National Geographic story on Armenia that was published in 2005.

“Sandra, there are a lotta bones still out there in the desert in Syria. You have to see it, jan!” When Hirair Hovnanian told me this in 2004, I could not stop thinking about it.

I knew about the Armenian Genocide, of course, but as a third generation Armenian American (on my father’s side), my grandparents didn’t want us to think about these terrible things.

They wanted us to be truly American, free of the sorrows of the old country, like many Americans who have fled starvation, war, genocide, dictatorship, and economic insecurity from all over the world.

I decided to go to Syria on the 90th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide and find those bones. I secured a grant from the Hirair and Anna Hovnanian Foundation, which specializes in furthering education and culture, and that was enough for me to pull off my mission.

I was hoping the photos I brought back would—besides being evidence—encourage the Armenian church in Syria to try and buy the Armenian mass grave land of Ras al-Ain from the Syrian Waqf (Islamic Trust), in order to protect it from total destruction. The erasure and/or denial of physical remains and documented history is a continuation and final act in genocide.

I had to plan with the utmost care. In 2005, it was dangerous to go poking around the subject of the Armenian Genocide in Bashar al Assad’s Syria. Turkish investment in the country was roaring along. I was warned by a high-level Armenian church official and a Syrian diplomat: Do not tell anybody what you are doing.

The cleric said, “Be careful. You are too late—under Hafez al Assad it would have been ok.”

The high-ranking Syrian diplomat who gave me my visa said, “Go, go and do your job. My family always spoke of what happened to the Armenians. But you must never tell anyone what you are doing. Simply say you are there to photograph Armenian culture. Do not check in with the authorities.”

Syria has a proud record of having helped the Armenian refugees during and after the genocide. Syrian Armenians have thrived and their culture was embraced in Syria. Syrians know well what happened to the Armenians in 1915, on their land, a part of the Ottoman Empire back then.

But the genocide sites at the time of my 2005 trip were being compromised: A waterworks project complete with bulldozers was atop the Marghedah grave; Shadadeh was closed off as it is in an oil field. The mass grave at Ras al-Ain was being demolished by farmers.

Ras al-Ain, Syria. (Photo by Alexandra Avakian)Ras al-Ain, Syria. (Photo by Alexandra Avakian)
So it was a distinguished Armenian-American couple, a top Syrian diplomat, two Armenian Genocide scholars (one in Washington, one in Syria), an Armenian driver, and a local church member who helped to make these pictures happen. (Names withheld to protect sources.)

Unlike forensic archaeologist Dr. Roxana Fellini’s experience in 2007 (read her article here), which was a crucial part of an official archaeological dig approved by the Syrian authorities in Ras al-Ain/Tell Fakhariyah, in 2005 mine was not—and it got spooky. And the last thing I wanted was to put anyone in danger.

In Aleppo, Der Zor, and Margadeh, there were a lot of other people around. How could a woman in a church with a camera be a threat?

But as we took off in a battered old car north along Rt. 7, where there are mass gravesites along the old path of the Khaibur River, we took even greater care.

In Ras al-Ain, we stayed in the back room of an Armenian home as people started coming by to see who I was. “She is a Canadian Armenian looking for family roots,” the head of the family told them.

I photographed the mass graves at Tell Fakhariyah at the edge of Ras al-Ain when the coast was clear. I had to work quickly.

Government agents began to question anybody I visited after we left, even an old Kurdish grandmother who had an Armenian Genocide survivor father. One of her grandsons carried an Armenian first name.

At the time I photographed the Ras al-Ain site, the mass grave area was rented to local farmers by the Syrian Wakf (Islamic Trust), adjacent to a Muslim graveyard.

The people in this region of Syria would not eat the produce grown on the mass grave and had to sell it far afield.

The farmers crushed skulls and tossed bones aside every time they worked the land. There was no protection for this neglected and holy place. An Armenian church member tried his best to keep track of the goings-on at the mass grave. He had been beaten there several times.

The sight of so many bones in Syria going unprotected: so sad. There were little children’s molars. The bones there were mostly of women and children, as most healthy males were already killed.

After we returned to Aleppo, we shopped in the souk and photographed a genocide memorial, but I made plans to fly immediately to Paris from Aleppo—and not through Damascus, as originally planned. I got my pictures out and they remain an important document of the Armenian Genocide, especially the under-documented sight of Ras al-Ain/Tell Fakhariyah.

In 2010, I was in Syria again for an unrelated cultural story.

At that time I heard from a trusted source that Syria had given its original official, contemporaneous documents on the genocide to Turkey. The Turks maintained that since Syria was under Ottoman control in 1915, that the documents belonged to Turkey.

Syria and Turkey are on bad terms at the moment due to their respective positions on the civil war.

During this war, the town of Shaddadeh and its oil field containing an Armenian mass grave have been taken over by Al Nusra Front, Islamic rebels.

The Memorial Church in Der Zor has been blasted and nearly destroyed, and the Armenian Syrians have suffered along with their Syrian countrymen, in Aleppo and elsewhere in the country.

Ras al-Ain and the area around it has changed hands numerous times—in fierce battles between the Syrian-Kurdish rebels, the radical Islamist forces, the split Free Syrian Army. It’s a traditionally Kurdish region, and Kurdish forces are reportedly in control of Ras al-Ain now.

Dr. Fellini received good news that Tell Fakhariyah is being safely guarded, and that there is no damage to the dig site. I hope she will be able to finish her amazing work there in the future.

But what of the future for the human beings in Syria who cannot get out, when one force dislodges another on a regular basis?

It happened again in March: in the historically Armenian town of Kessab, when Al-Nusra Front forced Armenians to flee.

What of the other Armenian Genocide sites that are in regions like Der Zor and Margadeh? Is this key physical evidence of the Armenian Genocide—the Syrian mass graves—further eroding now?

For more information, please visit: www.alexandraavakian.com.

[Armenian Bishop]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwj4e_f_1DI