Migrants die in Italy shipwreck off Catania

[rashka]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23645112
10 August 2013
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Some of the migrants drowned because they could not swim

The bodies of six migrants apparently killed in a shipwreck have been recovered on a beach in southern Italy.

Officials in the Sicilian port of Catania say some 100 other migrants - reportedly Syrians - have been rescued.

The migrants were thrown into the sea when the boat ran aground just 15m (50ft) from shore, but some drowned because they could not swim.

Some 7,800 illegal migrants and asylum seekers landed in Italy in the first half of this year, the UN says.

Most come from sub-Saharan African countries, particularly Somalia and Eritrea. But a large number of Syrians and Egyptians are reported to be among hundreds of people who have arrived in Italy in the past few days.

Tourist buses and ambulances


In Saturday's incident, the boat was carrying about 120 migrants; many women and 17 children were on board, reports say.

The bodies were reportedly found by employees at a beach resort nearby.

A picture released by the Italian coast guards shows coast guards puling a man as they help immigrants out of their dinghy on August 8, 2013 in the Mediterranean, off Lampedusa Thousands of illegal migrants try to make it to Europe by boat every year
The incident coincided with the arrival of three cruise ships carrying 12,500 tourists in Catania, Sicily's second biggest city. Tourist buses mingled with ambulances and rescue teams.

The nationalities of the migrants have not been confirmed but one port official speculated that many were Syrian.

Fine weather and calm seas in recent days have meant an increase in arrivals of undocumented migrants from the Middle East and North Africa, says the BBC's David Willey in Rome.

Human traffickers, who make huge profits dumping migrants on Italian shores, often abandon their passengers as soon as Italian or Maltese coastguards spot them, adds our correspondent.

The UN said almost 500 people were reported dead or missing at sea during 2012 in attempts to reach Europe.


Thousands of illegal migrants try to make it to Europe by boat every year
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[sturmwalkure]

What a shame some of them have been rescued and made it to Europe.

[Sikeliot]

I'd rather Syrians in Sicily than Somalis.

[Kiyant]

What a shame some of them have been rescued and made it to Europe.

Thats heartless to say it doesnt mean you should let them to europe you can save them and ship them back where is the problem i dislike it when people die and other people like it.

[Manifest Destiny]

I'd rather Syrians in Sicily than Somalis.

I'd rather have herpes than Ebola. But that isn't saying much, is it?

Think how may lives could have been saved if these Syrians had stayed in their own damned country...

[sturmwalkure]

I'd rather have herpes than Ebola. But that isn't saying much, is it?

Think how may lives could have been saved if these Syrians had stayed in their own damned country...

This; I don't see why people continually risk their lives to come some place they are not wanted, and then again don't learn when their countrymen drown doing so. It may sound heartless of me, but it's time for European countries to stop being so "soft" and welcoming in regards to such immigration and repatriate these people who obviously will not contribute anything to the countries they are coming too.

[Loki]

Syrians are migrating because of America's hand in causing instability in Syria; propping up and supporting terrorists there.

[sturmwalkure]

Syrians are migrating because of America's hand in causing instability in Syria; propping up and supporting terrorists there.

They should come to America instead; it's America's fault for being world police. I hate to say this as an American and I know this will not resonate well with other Americans here but Europe ought to not bear the burden for America's meddling in global affairs.

[Loki]

They should come to America instead; it's America's fault for being world police. I hate to say this as an American and I know this will not resonate well with other Americans here but Europe ought to not bear the burden for America's meddling in global affairs.

Well said.

[rashka]

European villagers are not happy at all.

[Manifest Destiny]

Syrians are migrating because of America's hand in causing instability in Syria; propping up and supporting terrorists there.

Because it was such a desireable place to live before the rebellion, right?

[Manifest Destiny]

They should come to America instead; it's America's fault for being world police. I hate to say this as an American and I know this will not resonate well with other Americans here but Europe ought to not bear the burden for America's meddling in global affairs.

I agree that America should not be the world police, but Assad is a monster. Maybe we could split the refugees between nations supporting the rebels and nations support the Assad regime (such as Russia)? :tongue

[Loki]

Because it was such a desireable place to live before the rebellion, right?

It was far better than it is now. Once again, thank you America.

[sturmwalkure]

It was far better than it is now. Once again, thank you America.

America tends to do that; Germany in 1945, Iran during the revolution, the Russian revolution in 1917, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, now Syria and who else next? America is the Great Satan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Satan).

[Manifest Destiny]

It was far better than it is now. Once again, thank you America.

There's no chance of improvement as long as the Assad family's hereditary dictatorship remains intact. Personally, I'd rather leave the Syrians to their own devices, but overthrowing that government is the only way Syria will ever cease to be a brutal, repressive dictatorship. If you want the life of the average Syrian to improve, you'd support getting rid of Assad. I don't really care, which is why I want to stay out of it.

[Kiyant]

America tends to do that; Germany in 1945, Iran during the revolution, the Russian revolution in 1917, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, now Syria and who else next? America is the Great Satan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Satan).

Well that America helped stopping Germany was a rather positive thing....

[sturmwalkure]

Well that America helped stopping Germany was a rather positive thing....

America destroyed Germany's greatest hour; Germany was at the top of it's form and the Germans were a proud people raised from the rubble. America did the biding of international Jewry. It is a shame that America interfered there. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lr2W_YfeU

[Manifest Destiny]

America destroyed Germany's greatest hour; Germany was at the top of it's form and the Germans were a proud people raised from the rubble. America did the biding of international Jewry. It is a shame that America interfered there. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lr2W_YfeU

Germany has Japan to blame for that. Before the attack on Pearl Harbor, most Americans wanted nothing to do with another war.

The moral of the story: If you don't want "the man" in your life, don't invite him in.

[Kiyant]

America destroyed Germany's greatest hour; Germany was at the top of it's form and the Germans were a proud people raised from the rubble. America did the biding of international Jewry. It is a shame that America interfered there. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lr2W_YfeU

Well i think the poles and others were rather happy when you and the soviets were not there anymore.

[WhiteWolf]

In the meanwhile Germany getting flooded by Chechen refugees...


According to the interior ministry, 9,957 people came from Russia and claimed political asylum in Germany, compared with 4,517 from Syria and 3,448 from Afghanistan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23325956

[sturmwalkure]

Germany has Japan to blame for that. Before the attack on Pearl Harbor, most Americans wanted nothing to do with another war.

The moral of the story: If you don't want "the man" in your life, don't invite him in.

That is sadly, true. The world would have been a much better place of the glorious Third Reich was allowed to thrive; but the powers of evil and that fat warmongerer FDR and his flatulent buddy Churchill Downs(yndrome) stepped in. I can understand why Hitler admired the Japanese, but I have no doubt Nationalsocialism will rise again. Adolf Hitler said he was just a forerunner and that his spirit will rise again from the ashes, and the spirit of the German people will rise from the rubble of the evil system known as Democracy and exact rightful revenge on the destroyers of their people.

[Kiyant]

In the meanwhile Germany getting flooded by Chechen refugees...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23325956

I wuldnt call 10.000 people flooded when they go to Germany was 81 million people.

[Tropico]

I'd rather Syrians in Sicily than Somalis.

You don't even live in Sicily. Have you ever even been to Sicily? How would migration to Sicily affect YOU in any real way?

[Loki]

Personally, I'd rather leave the Syrians to their own devices, but overthrowing that government is the only way Syria will ever cease to be a brutal, repressive dictatorship.

Overthrowing governments shouldn't be America's business, unless they're a threat to America.

[sturmwalkure]

I wuldnt call 10.000 people flooded when they go to Germany was 81 million people.

... Only 60 million of whom are German.

[Manifest Destiny]

Overthrowing governments shouldn't be America's business, unless they're a threat to America.

I agree. But there are plenty of people on both sides of the political spectrum who disagree (neocons and their wars for Israel and leftists with their humanitarian/nation-building bullshit).

[Kiyant]

... Only 60 million of whom are German.
Not really i think 70 million are German the biggest groups in Germany are Turks/kurds/Russians and Poles.

[Sikeliot]

You don't even live in Sicily. Have you ever even been to Sicily? How would migration to Sicily affect YOU in any real way?

When I visit there someday I want to recognize the people and culture and not feel like I'm in Somalia. I have nothing against Somalis but I was using an example.. if I go to Sicily I want it to feel, look, etc. Sicilian.

[WhiteWolf]

I wuldnt call 10.000 people flooded when they go to Germany was 81 million people.

It is more that just some, 4.000 Syrians ask for asylum, while almost 10.000 from the Russian federation ask for asylum... Still I rather see Chechen refugees around me the Syrians with all do respect :)


Not really i think 70 million are German the biggest groups in Germany are Turks/kurds/Russians and Poles.

Same biggest groups in the Netherlands by the way...

[Kiyant]

It is more that just some, 4.000 Syrians ask for asylum, while almost 10.000 from the Russian federation ask for asylum... Still I rather see Chechen refugees around me the Syrians with all do respect :)



Same biggest groups in the Netherlands by the way...
Netherlands have many Russians?

[Stormer99]

I'd rather have herpes than Ebola. But that isn't saying much, is it?

Think how may lives could have been saved if these Syrians had stayed in their own damned country...

Syrian Christians in the West are likely have more money and success than your family.

[Manifest Destiny]

When I visit there someday I want to recognize the people and culture and not feel like I'm in Somalia. I have nothing against Somalis but I was using an example.. if I go to Sicily I want it to feel, look, etc. Sicilian.

My mom's boss went to Italy a few years ago. He said it was honest to god like being in Africa. You could walk great distances without seeing anything but tourists and African invaders.

[Manifest Destiny]

Syrian Christians in the West are likely have more money and success than your family.

Maybe, maybe not.

But hey; I'm more likely to have money and success than Ethiopians. That doesn't mean I have any business moving to their country.

[sturmwalkure]

My mom's boss went to Italy a few years ago. He said it was honest to god like being in Africa. You could walk great distances without seeing anything but tourists and African invaders.

Ugh, that is awful seeing how Italy is a big part of my ancestry. I wish the boot of Europe would get it's act together and in actuality boot the African invaders back to where they belong.

[Furnace]

The problem with germany is that they have so low birthrate, 1.3~ or so, and with the current flow of immigration it won't be so noticable, a slow extinction of ethnic germans in other words.

[WhiteWolf]

Netherlands have many Russians?

I know like 6 Russians, 2 Chechen/Germany and a shitload of people from different country's they all life in the Netherlands or close on the Dutch borders :) The Russian group is pretty big but, you do not notice them within our society same as the Poles...

[Loki]

I agree. But there are plenty of people on both sides of the political spectrum who disagree (neocons and their wars for Israel and leftists with their humanitarian/nation-building bullshit).

But these people who disagree are mostly Americans. Perhaps it's time for forced regime change in America by the majority of the rest of the world. The world is tired of American organised terrorism.

[Manifest Destiny]

But these people who disagree are mostly Americans. Perhaps it's time for forced regime change in America by the majority of the rest of the world. The world is tired of American organised terrorism.

By all means, get rid of the neocons and leftists.

[sturmwalkure]

But these people who disagree are mostly Americans. Perhaps it's time for forced regime change in America by the majority of the rest of the world. The world is tired of American organised terrorism.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2pjssmdiA1qzbkkio1_500.jpg
;)

[WhiteWolf]

My mom's boss went to Italy a few years ago. He said it was honest to god like being in Africa. You could walk great distances without seeing anything but tourists and African invaders.

Few years ago the same experience, got really annoyed by the Africans asking you to buy there useless junk... Pretty funny to see every single time the Italian police came, the Africans toke there goods and where running down the street, only within a hour to come back and then the game started over all again :(

[Melina]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2pjssmdiA1qzbkkio1_500.jpg
;)

I see this coming in the future. You can tell the Russian government is getting tired of the U.S.

[Loki]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2pjssmdiA1qzbkkio1_500.jpg
;)

Beautiful and inspiring image :)

[WhiteWolf]

American government think they always, say what they want and act like there the superpower, in the meanwhile China is waking up form a long winter sleep :P

[Stormer99]

Maybe, maybe not.

But hey; I'm more likely to have money and success than Ethiopians. That doesn't mean I have any business moving to their country.

They have been in the United States for over 100 years, some even migrating in the 19th century.

[Manifest Destiny]

American government think they always, say what they want and act like there the superpower, in the meanwhile China is waking up form a long winter sleep :P

As idiotic as our government can be, you really don't want Red China calling the shots on the international scene.

[Manifest Destiny]

I see this coming in the future. You can tell the Russian government is getting tired of the U.S.

Russia really isn't communist these days. I see it more as symbolism of America being destroyed from within by domestic communists.

[Manifest Destiny]

They have been in the United States for over 100 years, some even migrating in the 19th century.

And?

[WhiteWolf]

As idiotic as our government can be, you really don't want Red China calling the shots on the international scene.

I rather do not see any country calling the shots on the international scene...

[Stormer99]

And?

And I bet you would want to send the descendants of those immigrants back and say they don't belong in America. You would probably call educated upper class Christians from the regions "savage" even if they live in the gated communities.

[Manifest Destiny]

And I bet you would want to send the descendants of those immigrants back and say they don't belong in America.

Yes.


You would probably call educated upper class Christians from the regions "savage" even if they live in the gated communities.

No.

[Stormer99]

I agree that America should not be the world police, but Assad is a monster. Maybe we could split the refugees between nations supporting the rebels and nations support the Assad regime (such as Russia)? :tongue

Assad is the only one protecting the Christians right now. Of course you are an idiot who supports Islamacist regimes because of the notion of "democracy".

[Stormer99]

Yes.



No.

Many of these descendants have been mixed with Europeans and genetically cluster within Europe, making them more genetically European than Cypriots.

[Manifest Destiny]

Assad is the only one protecting the Christians right now. Of course you are an idiot who supports Islamacist regimes because of the notion of "democracy".

I don't support Islamist regimes. Assad is a monster, but that doesn't mean that the rebels will be any better. My point is simply that Syria will never change without a violent rebellion (by whomever), since Assad won't simply give up his power.

And my views on the Middle East have nothing to do with Christians.

[Manifest Destiny]

Many of these descendants have been mixed with Europeans and genetically cluster within Europe, making them more genetically European than Cypriots.

So, in other words, white people with distant Syrian ancestry?

[Stormer99]

I don't support Islamist regimes. Assad is a monster, but that doesn't mean that the rebels will be any better. My point is simply that Syria will never change without a violent rebellion (by whomever), since Assad won't simply give up his power.

And my views on the Middle East have nothing to do with Christians.

Assad is simply protecting himself from lunatics. He does what he has to in order to survive and keep his country from becoming a theocracy.

[Stormer99]

So, in other words, white people with distant Syrian ancestry?

The ancestry doesn't even have to be that distant for them to cluster in Europe. Vince Vaughn is 25% Lebanese and would easily cluster in Europe on a genetic map.

[Manifest Destiny]

Assad is simply protecting himself from lunatics. He does what he has to in order to survive and keep his country from becoming a theocracy.

Assad is a lunatic himself. His goal is to stay in power. The fact that the rebels may be Islamists is irrelevant, as he'd respond the same to secular rebels.

[Manifest Destiny]

The ancestry doesn't even have to be that distant for them to cluster in Europe. Vince Vaughn is 25% Lebanese and would easily cluster in Europe on a genetic map.

You're assuming I'd consider him white.

[Stormer99]

You're assuming I'd consider him white.

Of course you would send him packing back to Lebanon
If he is mixed so are Cypriots.

[Stormer99]

Assad is a lunatic himself. His goal is to stay in power. The fact that the rebels may be Islamists is irrelevant, as he'd respond the same to secular rebels.

Maybe I want him to stay in power because he actually did a good job of running the country?

[Manifest Destiny]

Maybe I want him to stay in power because he actually did a good job of running the country?

Even Papa Doc Duvalier had supporters. :confused:

[Stormer99]

You're assuming I'd consider him white.

So you would deport him to Lebanon in other words?

[Stormer99]

Even Papa Doc Duvalier had supporters. :confused:

I am supporting a rational man who is doing whatever it takes to keep his country out of the hands of lunatics.

[Stormer99]

They should come to America instead; it's America's fault for being world police. I hate to say this as an American and I know this will not resonate well with other Americans here but Europe ought to not bear the burden for America's meddling in global affairs.

I agree. Europe should not have to pay the price.

[YeshAtid]

:picard1:

[Manifest Destiny]

I am supporting a rational man who is doing whatever it takes to keep his country out of the hands of lunatics.

Oh, so rational...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad#Human_rights